The NFL and 2K Are Back Together, 'Non-Simulation' Games Will Release Beginning in 2021

[illwill10]

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I personally don't care if it's called "Mel Brooks/Benny Hill/Dave Chappelle NFL 2K Non-Simulation Football" as long as the NFL and 2K are back together again.

And I don't care if EA is concerned or not.

I've wanted NFL 2K football back for nearly 2 decades and now it's on the way. If it starts out as arcade or non-sim it won't matter much once I see:

The 2K Catch Animations
The 2K Throwing Animations
The 2K Tackling Animations
The 2K Blocking Animations
The 2K LOS Animations...

I can go on and on...just looking at the track record going back to the Sega Dreamcast.

Definitely agree
APF had realistic animation set. Especially the throwing animation still tops Madden. I can still remember this one play from APF2k8 last year just because how beautiful that play turned out. I had a 7 step drop, my WR beat a pressing CB on a Fade route, my QB had a clean pocket, my QB had a natural looking wind up and threw a 50 yard pass that dropped right into the WR hands near the end zone for a TD. It was a simple big throw for a TD, but it just how smooth and realistic the play came to be. A smooth drop back, WR beating the press naturally, a clean pocket, QB winding up for a big pass, and the ball naturally coming out of QB hand for the throw. You don't see that in Madden.

Madden claiming to be "high end simulation" but so dependent on canned animation. Madden is so animation dependent, where it needs to go to more physics based gameplay. Weight and Momentum needs to matter more. If I have a 6'6 260 TE running downhill at full speed towards a 6-0 190 DB without necessary momentum, should be almost a automatic when for the TE even if the DB has Enforcer ability. At least they toned down some of the 2 man WR/DB animation. It was always frustrating in the past seeing DB losing on plays because he went for the same catch animation as the WR instead of doing a realistic INT animation for the situation.

But until we get notified what the "non-simulation aspect entails, it is hard to speculate how 2k would handle the gameplay engine. With the Madden exclusivity deal expiring the year of 2k's return, I do feel they build an engine that can be used for a simulation football game. I don't see them going full out over the top arcade when there is a legit chance that could get a chance to have a simulation game the following year

[SolidSquid]

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What if sim mean on field gameplay? Like no other company can make an nfl game that features you controlling players on the field?

[bucky60]

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No one who didn't play the game previously is going to buy a 15 year old game to play for the first time.

I would. I was strictly PC until Red Dead Redemption came out. Didn't have a console until then. I've seen enough 2k5 videos and comments that I would absolutely buy NFL2k5 for PC (of the next gen console if I get one).

Right now I have no reason to get a next gen console (unless this MLB The Show relocation is greatly expanded).

[illwill10]

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What if sim mean on field gameplay? Like no other company can make an nfl game that features you controlling players on the field?

Its hard to determine because how vague it is. I believe most would call APF2k8 simulation football, it just didn't have NFL license or current players. It's hard to say 11-on-11 gameplay, a lot of indie games try to replicate simulation football. Does it imply not using traditional football with NFL license? It's even hard to just say they can only do Arcade football because Madden has the Arcade gameplay setting and Superstar KO. Does that mean that a 2K football game has to way more over the top than what Madden's Arcade is? It is so vague.

Can it be a situation where they don't get NFLPA license, can they get away with traditional football with fictional players but with NFL license and teams? Its hard to say just how vague. At the very least, I can see a 2k mobile game. That's almost a definite. We just have to wait to see how console game will turn out

[loccdogg26]

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As an older gamer I thought the NFL exclusive deal sucked. I will keep an open mind and fingers crossed.

[ggsimmonds]

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I wouldn't spend too much time trying to decipher the exact definition of what makes a game a "simulation."
That is for the courts to decide. The definition in the exclusive contract is probably nothing more than being along the lines of "EA is granted sole rights to create NFL games that accurately depict the NFL." It probably offers a little more detail than that, but not much.

You don't want to be too specific in the definition because that creates loopholes. No one wants to violate the exclusive contract, so both 2k and the NFL will avoid anything that can be construed as skirting the "simulation clause."

I expect that the game(s) 2k will make in this current environment will not be of interest to the OS community. The interest lies in the ramifications down the road

[jfsolo]

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I don't expect 2K to ever make what most here think of a a simulation game ever again. They won't have to, between card modes, online H2H play, a MyPlayer, and the name 2K Football for all the old fans and the people who hate Madden, I think that they will be more than profitable without it.

[SOU7GLO]

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I recently downloaded NBA2K on Game Pass and played offline for about 45min-1hr in a play now NBA gam, WNBA game, and practice mode. I hadn’t played NBA2K in a couple years. The level of detail, immersion, and depth is and has always been astounding. The WNBA gameplay felt different from the NBA. I look forward to NFL 2K TV playing while the game is loading, cheerleaders dancing, mascots, the commentary during pregame, in game, halftime, and post game comments...this is all in addition to authentic gameplay.

I’m aware many have complained about the VC and online connectivity issues, but I didn’t try online play and can’t speak to that.

The way 2K recreates NBA basketball and the environment around it is on another level. It’s not a matter of if they can do the same for football, they most certainly will.

NBA2K has been dunking on Madden and Live
for years, now they’re about to ‘enforce’ their will and ‘hit stick’ EA. Looking forward to what 2K delivers!

[khaliib]

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I would. I was strictly PC until Red Dead Redemption came out. Didn't have a console until then. I've seen enough 2k5 videos and comments that I would absolutely buy NFL2k5 for PC (of the next gen console if I get one).

Right now I have no reason to get a next gen console (unless this MLB The Show relocation is greatly expanded).

Tried it and it’s a no go for me.

Besides the graphics I see way more of the games own wonkiness and it’s own plethora of issues than previously.

Even having the ability to 3rd Party edit didn’t have the affect in thought it would have.

The other topic of discussion is how will this news affect the other non-EA games that are currently being produced?

This contract may just be a “Non-Infringement” type of agreement with NFL because no non 11vs11 football version has shown in the past to profit at a level as a stand alone, that justifies the $$$/resources/time to make it.

*** this may establish the framework of what can/can’t be done dealing with the User Editing Sandbox they already have Meta for from its basketball series.

They already have agreements with the various shoe brands which is huge dealing with a Customization Suite (cough, cough)

A Blitz style or mobile version alone will not generate no where near the $$$ an 11vs11 would, even with NFL logos/teams.

Will be intersecting you see how things unfold though.

[ForUntoOblivionSoar∞]

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Was this "non-simulation" thing a stipulation in their contract? So that only EA can make "simulation" NFL games?



IMHO, they could make a better simulation than Madden and still call it "arcade," now that Madden has brought in super powers to their game.





But yeah, I'm not pleased about that. It's better than nothing, but still.

[Blzer]

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You want the computer to deliberately miss calls to test whether the user sees it, but then, if the user does, overturn it with a 100% success rate?

You realize that's not only gamey as hell (you're basically manufacturing a false user interaction) and unrealistic, but also the definition of bad officiating, right?

Of all the examples you could have chosen to illustrate EA's opportunities to improve, you chose that one?

Man, I hope that's not the game 2k gives us.

Well, it's what 2K gave us back when... so I hope it does.

EA's biggest problem with the challenge system was that I was trying to challenge one thing, and they assume I'm trying to challenge another. "Do you want to challenge a step out of bounds?" Huh? I'm trying to challenge the fumble was an incomplete pass!

It's a greater statement about EA's legacy issues that they just never seem to address or improve. I'm sure he has a laundry list of things he can't wait to see this game feature as it had in the past, but this is one that has yet to be mentioned. I for one agree with him.

[Rayzaa]

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I feel like a ton of people are setting themselves up for disappointment. This isn't going to be an updated NFL 2k5 to a NFL 2k21 or whatever they're going to call it.

People should lower their expectations now cause a non-simulation gaming experience is exactly what it means. And it's not good.

Thanks but no thanks.

Just the fact we MAY have another simulation choice in 2021 is exciting. Competition brings better things.

[mestevo]

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Just the fact we MAY have another simulation choice in 2021 is exciting. Competition brings better things.

This is the one fact we do know, that it won't be a simulation title or titles.

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[Junior Moe]

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However this plays out, Dan and Peter need to be announcing team. I dont subscribe to the notion that anything 15 years old is better than what's being done now with gaming. I do for announcing. My brother and I had some genuinely hearty laughs from those dudes. Dan and Peter had the perfect mixture of authentic and light hearted fun commentary.

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[tg88forHOF]

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Well, it's what 2K gave us back when... so I hope it does.

EA's biggest problem with the challenge system was that I was trying to challenge one thing, and they assume I'm trying to challenge another. "Do you want to challenge a step out of bounds?" Huh? I'm trying to challenge the fumble was an incomplete pass!

It's a greater statement about EA's legacy issues that they just never seem to address or improve. I'm sure he has a laundry list of things he can't wait to see this game feature as it had in the past, but this is one that has yet to be mentioned. I for one agree with him.

The fact that 2k gave it to us back when doesn't automatically make me want it. It's one thing to think 2k5 was/is superior to Madden, it's another to say that everything in 2k5 must have been a good feature. That implies 2k was flawless, and that's manifestly untrue. I want improved features and gameplay, no matter who the developer/publisher is.

The ideal way to handle challenges in a game that aims at realism is simply not to have them.

The goal of real-life officiating is to get every call correct. The computer, which already knows what "really happened", has that ability already; forcing a call to require a challenge is artificially introducing an unnecessary error.

To achieve what this guy is asking for means that the computer has to deliberately choose to artificially make the wrong call...it has to pretend to make a mistake. But then it has to become perfect again and get every challenge decision correct, or he's frustrated again.

Both sides of that scenario are artificial, and don't reflect what actually happens on Sundays. It's gamey, and doesn't add anything to immersion or realism; it's just a mini-game. It'd be like a real-life referee saying "I know what happened here, but I'm going to call something else...let's see if Kyle Shanahan is paying attention."

And the fact that it was in 2k5 doesn't change that.

If 2k doesn't take the opportunity to improve on 2k5, and instead just feeds everybody's rose-colored nostalgia for what was in the game back in the day, then all this talk of "competition breeds innovation and improvement" and "EA is garbage because they don't have to try" is really just a bunch of hot air.

Rinse and repeat features are what we have now with EA. I thought we were pushing for better.