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  • p_rushing
    Hall Of Fame
    • Feb 2004
    • 14514

    #1081
    Re: Official CBA Thread

    Originally posted by mestevo
    Players disputing that report, say they're working through the weekend and nothing is planned for Monday.
    Yeah ESPN put out another article, but the NFLPA didn't really say they would be doing much. Supposedly they still need to go through the deal and get the info out to the player reps and players. I don't know what Smith has been doing this week, but I would think his job should be to make sure everyone knows what the owners passed when he already knew himself what they were voting on.

    I still doubt anything happens this weekend. If they don't pass it by Wednesday, the owners may withdraw it as it could put the first preseason games in doubt. The owners will want compensation for the $200 million lose for each week.

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    • Jibbler
      Banned
      • Jan 2011
      • 1001

      #1082
      Re: Official CBA Thread

      blahblahblahblah deal is close blahblahblahbalhbalbhalh players will vote tomorrow blahblahbalbhalbhalbhah wake me up when players actually do vote and this stupid **** is over

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      • SPTO
        binging
        • Feb 2003
        • 68046

        #1083
        Re: Official CBA Thread

        Taking a weekend to look over the documents closely isn't "being lazy". At least they're doing their due diligence.

        I'm sure the deal will be ratified on Monday.
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        • wco81
          Banned
          • Jul 2002
          • 3305

          #1084
          Re: Official CBA Thread

          Sportscenter said the players want an opt-out at 7 years and a couple of other terms.

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          • Beantown
            #DoYourJob
            • Feb 2005
            • 31523

            #1085
            Re: Official CBA Thread

            Well, at least Vincent Jackson is reportedly willing to drop his claim without needing any extra compensation. How nice of him.

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            • Earl1963
              MVP
              • Aug 2003
              • 1985

              #1086
              Re: Official CBA Thread

              The players need to find a new job and stop trying to run the show. I wish I could tell my employer how to run his business.
              Megatron

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              • N51_rob
                Faceuary!
                • Jul 2003
                • 14805

                #1087
                Originally posted by Earl1963
                The players need to find a new job and stop trying to run the show. I wish I could tell my employer how to run his business.
                If you were in the top 1% of people who do your job you might have a bit more say so.

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                • mestevo
                  Gooney Goo Goo
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 19556

                  #1088
                  Re: Official CBA Thread

                  Originally posted by Earl1963
                  The players need to find a new job and stop trying to run the show. I wish I could tell my employer how to run his business.
                  If you are in a union you can.

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                  • kehlis
                    Moderator
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 27738

                    #1089
                    Re: Official CBA Thread

                    Originally posted by mestevo
                    It took them a day and a half of explaining the deal to get 31-0, not sure I'd characterize that as quick.

                    Your last sentence is just spin, with these terms ratified the owners just laid out the ideal opening of the season, pending the players approval and the approval of known outstanding issues, nothing more.

                    Objectively, that is all that happened. The rest is hysteria, mob mentality meets twitter.
                    I have no dog in this fight and have no reason to back either side.

                    But I agree with the post you quoted that the owners tried to back the players in the corner and make them come out as the bad guys.

                    You see me as having a mob mentality? I have no reason to attack either side specifically.

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                    • mestevo
                      Gooney Goo Goo
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 19556

                      #1090
                      Re: Official CBA Thread

                      Originally posted by kehlis
                      I have no dog in this fight and have no reason to back either side.

                      But I agree with the post you quoted that the owners tried to back the players in the corner and make them come out as the bad guys.

                      You see me as having a mob mentality? I have no reason to attack either side specifically.
                      to be clear you're talking about this line?

                      Especially when new terms are slipped in and the owners are like, "hurry up, you're holding up the season."
                      That's spin. The owners celebrated rattifying an agreement that 31 clubs agreed on... that by itself is an accomplishment. They didn't show up, nod, and leave, reps/owners for 32 teams were in a room for a day and a half going over this stuff.

                      With that done, and there being a time crunch, they released a tentative schedule for the league year, contingent on the players getting their part done. If that's what it takes for them to see pressure that's been there all along then I don't know what to say. It's crunch time, no matter the circumstance there's pressure.

                      If the players continue to drag their feet, then that schedule will have to be refactored. The league year can't start without a union, so there's a date for that in there... not a demand.

                      The reaction on Twitter was nothing but mob mentality and was driven largely by the players themselves, because there were no "new terms slipped in", it was just a draft that had not yet been digested by the players - simple as that. A vote was always expected by the owners, the NFLPA knew that, a vote was only expected by the players due to media, not due to the owners.
                      Last edited by mestevo; 07-23-2011, 01:40 PM.

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                      • kehlis
                        Moderator
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 27738

                        #1091
                        Re: Official CBA Thread

                        Originally posted by mestevo
                        to be clear you're talking about this line?



                        That's spin. The owners celebrated rattifying an agreement that 31 clubs agreed on... that by itself is an accomplishment. They didn't show up, nod, and leave, reps/owners for 32 teams were in a room for a day and a half going over this stuff.

                        With that done, and there being a time crunch, they released a tentative schedule for the league year, contingent on the players getting their part done. If that's what it takes for them to see pressure that's been there all along then I don't know what to say. It's crunch time, no matter the circumstance there's pressure.

                        If the players continue to drag their feet, then that schedule will have to be refactored. The league year can't start without a union, so there's a date for that in there... not a demand.

                        The reaction on Twitter was nothing but mob mentality and was driven largely by the players themselves, because there were no "new terms slipped in", it was just a draft that had not yet been digested by the players - simple as that. A vote was always expected by the owners, the NFLPA knew that, a vote was only expected by the players due to media, not due to the owners.
                        We'll have to agree to disagree then.

                        I don't see it as spin. All of a sudden the owners are completely on board with a deal that is clear the players aren't. They release dates for the season, get fans excited only for us to find out it won't be that easy.

                        To me, it was nothing more than a play to make the players look like the bad guys. If that is "mob mentality" then so be it.

                        I don't like the way they handled it at all.


                        And in no way am I condoning the way either side has handled this, but I don't like that at all.

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                        • Earl1963
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 1985

                          #1092
                          Re: Official CBA Thread

                          Originally posted by mestevo
                          If you are in a union you can.
                          Oh yeah I forgot about them.
                          Megatron

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                          • p_rushing
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 14514

                            #1093
                            Re: Official CBA Thread

                            Originally posted by kehlis
                            We'll have to agree to disagree then.

                            I don't see it as spin. All of a sudden the owners are completely on board with a deal that is clear the players aren't. They release dates for the season, get fans excited only for us to find out it won't be that easy.

                            To me, it was nothing more than a play to make the players look like the bad guys. If that is "mob mentality" then so be it.

                            I don't like the way they handled it at all.


                            And in no way am I condoning the way either side has handled this, but I don't like that at all.
                            Smith was in contact with Goodell 1.5 hours before the vote. Smith knew what the owners were voting on and most likely gave his approval on the terms. The owners were not going to vote on something that the players didn't know or already have a hand shake agreement on. The owners also didn't all of a sudden vote 31-0.

                            What happen is Smith did not do his job and keep his union updated on what was going on. Then the owners come out and have a press conference and the players have no clue what is going on because Smith dropped the ball. Then the players spout off because they don't have all the info.

                            If Smith would have just kept his union involved, then the players would have known what was happening. They wouldn't have made a bunch of comments that made them and the union look incredibly stupid.

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                            • da ThRONe
                              Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 8528

                              #1094
                              Re: Official CBA Thread

                              Originally posted by p_rushing
                              Smith was in contact with Goodell 1.5 hours before the vote. Smith knew what the owners were voting on and most likely gave his approval on the terms. The owners were not going to vote on something that the players didn't know or already have a hand shake agreement on. The owners also didn't all of a sudden vote 31-0.

                              What happen is Smith did not do his job and keep his union updated on what was going on. Then the owners come out and have a press conference and the players have no clue what is going on because Smith dropped the ball. Then the players spout off because they don't have all the info.

                              If Smith would have just kept his union involved, then the players would have known what was happening. They wouldn't have made a bunch of comments that made them and the union look incredibly stupid.
                              This is assuming on your part. We don't know what if anything the owners change and if these alleged changes were told to De Smith.
                              You looking at the Chair MAN!

                              Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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                              • p_rushing
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Feb 2004
                                • 14514

                                #1095
                                Re: Official CBA Thread

                                Players' executive committee will now vote on Monday to recommend the deal. Then players will return to camp Wednesday - Friday and vote in person to recertify the union. The union should have enough votes by Friday EOD. Then FA would start on Saturday without any waiting period to sign current players.


                                Seems like the NFLPA didn't have any problems afterwards with the owners vote, makes the NFLPA look even worse now.

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