Official CBA Thread

[Cubfan]

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I'm sick and tired of the whole thing. NFLPA sign the agreement already!

[Hova57]

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If the NFLPA recertify electronically and sign CBA then ten years later , they need to de certify again. the owners can file suit against the NFLPA for stall tatics . so recertifing the right way saves them from that. Also no vote only happened because all terms need to be read. The remaining issue is that recertify also makes it possible to negotiate benefits and stuff, plus I believe the players want something in there that prevents
Goodell from being god when it comes to discipline.

[Bondgirl0072]

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It sounds like today the players could vote on the CBA.

[Senator Palmer]

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It's big business. It's a binding ten year deal. This isn't a few pages to look over, this is a pretty complex document that has to be gone over line by line. In my opinion, it was too much to ask for the owners to ratify then expect the players to look it over and vote in two hours. Add to that, it seemed to piss a lot of guys off that they threw in that the players had to recertify and do it by Wednesday. Felt like a strong-arm tactic to me.

It'll get done. We'll have a full season. I just think emotions are getting a little twisted with all the PR gamesmanship.

[OSUFan_88]

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I would expect that they should vote on it today. Last night, the lawyers had to the time to look it over. If they give their blessing to the deal, then players can vote to ratify and recert.

Although, I have a feeling it doesn't actually get done today. Just the way things have gone with this thing and the way players are talking about "not being picked on."

[hazey]

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I hope that De Smith slaps some sense into these people's heads.

De Smith is the sole problem in this entire situation. How are the players "not aware" of what is in the new deal? That is De Smiths job, to make the players aware.

As for the owners, they are not pulling a fast one on the players. They are working towards getting a new CBA, which De SMith is getting in the way of. Al Davis knows the new CBA isn't in the benefit of the owners, which is why he did not vote on it. The owners have given plenty in this, the ball is in the players court, and they are failing. 48% of "total" revenue is much more beneficial to them than their last CBA.

[mestevo]

It's big business. It's a binding ten year deal. This isn't a few pages to look over, this is a pretty complex document that has to be gone over line by line. In my opinion, it was too much to ask for the owners to ratify then expect the players to look it over and vote in two hours. Add to that, it seemed to piss a lot of guys off that they threw in that the players had to recertify and do it by Wednesday. Felt like a strong-arm tactic to me.

It'll get done. We'll have a full season. I just think emotions are getting a little twisted with all the PR gamesmanship.

It wasn't a demand though, the league year can't start if there is no union, the requirement to reconstitute the union is something that has to happen before Tuesday or the dates have to all be refactored and the first week of preseason could be in jeopardy.

[Senator Palmer]

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It wasn't a demand though, the league year can't start if there is no union, the requirement to reconstitute the union is something that has to happen before Tuesday or the dates have to all be refactored and the first week of preseason could be in jeopardy.

I did hear yesterday that there was still a few things to be negotiated, but can't until there is a union in place, but listening to the players this morning who have come out like Takeo Spikes, they really took the deadline personally. From their reactions it feels like it came out of the blue and not at all discussed beforehand... although some sort of reconstitution of the union had to have been assumed from the player's side I would guess.

I get the owners side of it that there has to be a union by this date, but I'm iffy on how it was presented. First there is the deadline, then the NFL pr kicked into full gear putting the onus on the players to get the thing voted on in a matter of hours. Felt like a checkmate move from the owners by me.

If that wasn't the case, it sure felt like it. It should have been voted on by the owners, a simple press release announcing the results; they could have sent word through back channels that they need a union formed by this date so as not to show anyone up publicly, then they could have slipped away without the "we got it done, we're happy it's over" mugging for the cameras. And then there could have been a joint press conference by union and NFL officials when it was really agreed upon by both sides. I know that's too much to ask for with this many egos involved, but what they did yesterday, fair deal or not, put the players into a corner, and their pride is pushing back.

Ultimately I expect cooler heads will prevail, but they might drag it out to Thursday of next week just to throw the owners a middle finger.

[mestevo]

I did hear yesterday that there was still a few things to be negotiated, but can't until there is a union in place, but listening to the players this morning who have come out like Takeo Spikes, they really took the deadline personally. From their reactions it feels like it came out of the blue and not at all discussed beforehand... although some sort of reconstitution of the union had to have been assumed from the player's side I would guess.

I get the owners side of it that there has to be a union by this date, but I'm iffy on how it was presented. First there is the deadline, then the NFL pr kicked into full gear putting the onus on the players to get the thing voted on in a matter of hours. Felt like a checkmate move from the owners by me.

If that wasn't the case, it sure felt like it. It should have been voted on by the owners, a simple press release announcing the results; they could have sent word through back channels that they need a union formed by this date so as not to show anyone up publicly, then they could have slipped away without the "we got it done, we're happy it's over" mugging for the cameras. And then there could have been a joint press conference by union and NFL officials when it was really agreed upon by both sides. I know that's too much to ask for with this many egos involved, but what they did yesterday, fair deal or not, put the players into a corner, and their pride is pushing back.

Ultimately I expect cooler heads will prevail, but they might drag it out to Thursday of next week just to throw the owners a middle finger.

If they do that and the first week of preseason is lost the current deal will have to be refactored.

Did you also see Takeo complain about inflation? On a deal where they get a percentage of gross revenue...?

I have yet to read about what the owners 'slipped in' to this deal that the players are complaining about yet, because I'm not sure anything was yet. It was just a mob mentality style collective spam by the players to a perception of being dissed when they weren't at all.

I never saw any owners say they expected a vote from the players meeting, that was a media expectation as far as I could tell.

[Senator Palmer]

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If they do that and the first week of preseason is lost the current deal will have to be refactored.

Did you also see Takeo complain about inflation? On a deal where they get a percentage of gross revenue...?

I have yet to read about what the owners 'slipped in' to this deal that the players are complaining about yet, because I'm not sure anything was yet. It was just a mob mentality style collective spam by the players to a perception of being dissed when they weren't at all.

I never saw any owners say they expected a vote from the players meeting, that was a media expectation as far as I could tell.

I didn't catch Takeo complaining about the inflation and I agree with your points. Just from the outline I saw it looks like a good deal, especially the extra $1 Billion for retired players, but I don't have access to the whole 200 document. I don't know what may have been slipped into the fine print or what wasn't. I know Heath Evans was adamant that there were several things included that were not agreed upon by the players.

What I do know for sure is that there is a lot of mistrust from the players towards the owners which I can understand. And just between you and me when this thing started I identified more with the owners' side of this thing, but like I said emotions are high right now, especially with the players feeling like they were shown up last night, even if it is the "mob mentality" as you pointed out. Psychologically, football players at this level have a level of pride that is almost incomprehensible. There was really no other way they were going to take the events of yesterday as anything but disrespect.

I know what's at risk if they go past Wednesday. I think and really hope they calm down by then, but at this point I can live with 3 preseason games in exchange for 10 years free of this mess.

[mestevo]

Mawae says they will consider the latest proposal today which includes settlement terms and recertification stuff, and that the NFLPA won't be releasing any more statements today out of respect for the funeral proceedings for Mrs. Kraft.

PFT says ESPN is backing away from their report that there will be a vote today.

Everyone better not take the weekend off.

[Dice]

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I got to admit, this was a gansta move by the owners. Come out in full force with a press conference and saying all the right things. This right here is typical 101 law strategy of ‘how to get the public support’. Go in front of cameras, and make yourselves the heroes in this labor war by using key words and phrases to appeal to the public’s interest. Stuff like, ‘lockout ending’, ‘deal in place’, ‘ratify’, ’31-0 vote for proposal’, ‘resume normal business’. This is stuff that the public likes to hear, especially football fans. But what people fail to realize is that all the ‘good’ stuff that the owners is feeding the public and the press is not everything. People don’t realize is that it’s a 500+ page document that’s not even finalized as of yet. The players and players rep aren’t even looking at a final legal document. And what is it to say that there might be a clause in their that the players defiantly doesn’t like? So when people start to ask, “why it is taking the players so long to sign off”, it boggles my mind for me to believe that you’ll just sign a 500+ page document without even looking at it. Now if they reject this offer, then it’s the players that’ll look like they’re the greedy ones. Although, the owners were the ones who planted the smart bomb in the thought of people’s heads who know nothing but ‘Let’s just play football!’

As for me personally, I’m not on neither side. I have no dog in the race because I’m neither a millionaire or a billionaire. Nor do I play pro football or own a team. BUT I can definitely understand the business aspect of this debate. You get the best possible deal you can and you use the best tactic that will give you the best leverage.

[SPTO]

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Mawae says they will consider the latest proposal today which includes settlement terms and recertification stuff, and that the NFLPA won't be releasing any more statements today out of respect for the funeral proceedings for Mrs. Kraft.

PFT says ESPN is backing away from their report that there will be a vote today.

Everyone better not take the weekend off.

Like everything else ESPN jumps the gun

Anyways, I was a little hasty last night but it sure did seem the owners came out and kinda pulled a fast one by doing things backwards by ratifying the deal on their end and then putting out a tentative schedule to start the League year. I don't know much about the whole "slipping in new details" stuff but if that's true it doesn't surprise me as we're dealing with greedy people on both sides.

I'm sure we'll have a season but I don't think it's gonna start as early as everyone expects.

[shnuskis]

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From what I have heard, the new stuff added was owner vs. owner stuff like revenue sharing amongst teams, not owner vs. player stuff. If that is the case(because I haven't gotten my copy of the deal in front of me right now) the players were overreacting too much. But that happens in most union contract nagotiations. The difference here is it is played out publicly.

[mestevo]

From what I have heard, the new stuff added was owner vs. owner stuff like revenue sharing amongst teams, not owner vs. player stuff. If that is the case(because I haven't gotten my copy of the deal in front of me right now) the players were overreacting too much. But that happens in most union contract nagotiations. The difference here is it is played out publicly.

They could have added 'all players will play for free' and last night would still be an overreaction.

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