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  • da ThRONe
    Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
    • Mar 2009
    • 8528

    #1066
    Re: Official CBA Thread

    Originally posted by Dice
    I got to admit, this was a gansta move by the owners. Come out in full force with a press conference and saying all the right things. This right here is typical 101 law strategy of ‘how to get the public support’. Go in front of cameras, and make yourselves the heroes in this labor war by using key words and phrases to appeal to the public’s interest. Stuff like, ‘lockout ending’, ‘deal in place’, ‘ratify’, ’31-0 vote for proposal’, ‘resume normal business’. This is stuff that the public likes to hear, especially football fans. But what people fail to realize is that all the ‘good’ stuff that the owners is feeding the public and the press is not everything. People don’t realize is that it’s a 500+ page document that’s not even finalized as of yet. The players and players rep aren’t even looking at a final legal document. And what is it to say that there might be a clause in their that the players defiantly doesn’t like? So when people start to ask, “why it is taking the players so long to sign off”, it boggles my mind for me to believe that you’ll just sign a 500+ page document without even looking at it. Now if they reject this offer, then it’s the players that’ll look like they’re the greedy ones. Although, the owners were the ones who planted the smart bomb in the thought of people’s heads who know nothing but ‘Let’s just play football!’

    As for me personally, I’m not on neither side. I have no dog in the race because I’m neither a millionaire or a billionaire. Nor do I play pro football or own a team. BUT I can definitely understand the business aspect of this debate. You get the best possible deal you can and you use the best tactic that will give you the best leverage.
    Really who signs a contract that's not done yet? How much of it is up for change after it's signed?
    You looking at the Chair MAN!

    Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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    • shnuskis
      MVP
      • Aug 2008
      • 1172

      #1067
      Re: Official CBA Thread

      Originally posted by da ThRONe
      Really who signs a contract that's not done yet? How much of it is up for change after it's signed?

      They didn't sign a contract. They had a handshake agreement and took that proposal back to their sides. At that point, both sides can still make changes and bring back a different agreement that is aproved. But then that agreement has to be agreed to by the other side.
      When rookie Randall Cobb was told by this U.S. Marine that he was a big fan of the wide receiver, Cobb said, “I think I’m a bigger fan of yours.”

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      • SPTO
        binging
        • Feb 2003
        • 68046

        #1068
        Re: Official CBA Thread

        Originally posted by shnuskis
        They didn't sign a contract. They had a handshake agreement and took that proposal back to their sides. At that point, both sides can still make changes and bring back a different agreement that is aproved. But then that agreement has to be agreed to by the other side.
        That sounds very cumbersome and counter to how most collective bargaining is done. (at least here) Usually from the way I understand it an agreement is made and it's all drawn up and it's done as an up or down vote by the union and it's finalized or reworked based on the voting.
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        • mestevo
          Gooney Goo Goo
          • Apr 2010
          • 19556

          #1069
          Re: Official CBA Thread

          Originally posted by SPTO
          That sounds very cumbersome and counter to how most collective bargaining is done. (at least here) Usually from the way I understand it an agreement is made and it's all drawn up and it's done as an up or down vote by the union and it's finalized or reworked based on the voting.
          That's one of the rubs the entire time. The NFLPA wants to settle (there's no union), the NFL wants to collectively bargain (as if there's a union).

          In the interest of time, they have to agree on the deal as it's being done and addendum it up with changes where appropriate I think. The owners have ratified this deal, I am sure a committee or the commissioner has the leeway to make certain changes without it requiring another vote.

          One of the overreactions last night was that this deal didn't contain everything agreed upon, that's because this is the rules governing how the NFL will play it's game under the new agreement, it's a new CBA for all intents and purposes. Things like changes to player punishment, benefits, etc can't really be hashed out until there's a union that the changes pertain to from what I understand. That along with the settlement of the various legal proceedings was never going to be part of what was voted on yesterday.

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          • wco81
            Banned
            • Jul 2002
            • 3305

            #1070
            Re: Official CBA Thread

            Players should be suspicious just from the 31-0 quick vote alone.

            Especially when new terms are slipped in and the owners are like, "hurry up, you're holding up the season."

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            • mestevo
              Gooney Goo Goo
              • Apr 2010
              • 19556

              #1071
              Re: Official CBA Thread

              Originally posted by wco81
              Players should be suspicious just from the 31-0 quick vote alone.

              Especially when new terms are slipped in and the owners are like, "hurry up, you're holding up the season."
              It took them a day and a half of explaining the deal to get 31-0, not sure I'd characterize that as quick.

              Your last sentence is just spin, with these terms ratified the owners just laid out the ideal opening of the season, pending the players approval and the approval of known outstanding issues, nothing more.

              Objectively, that is all that happened. The rest is hysteria, mob mentality meets twitter.

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              • kjcheezhead
                MVP
                • May 2009
                • 3118

                #1072
                Re: Official CBA Thread

                Originally posted by wco81
                Players should be suspicious just from the 31-0 quick vote alone.

                Especially when new terms are slipped in and the owners are like, "hurry up, you're holding up the season."
                Not to mention the deal is 10 years long with no "opt out" clause.

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                • mestevo
                  Gooney Goo Goo
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 19556

                  #1073
                  Re: Official CBA Thread

                  Originally posted by kjcheezhead
                  Not to mention the deal is 10 years long with no "opt out" clause.
                  Which is week old news.

                  PFT puts it best... there's no reason for this to be a surprise/last minute issue. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...cluded-in-cba/
                  Last edited by mestevo; 07-22-2011, 01:35 PM.

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                  • shnuskis
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 1172

                    #1074
                    Re: Official CBA Thread

                    Originally posted by SPTO
                    That sounds very cumbersome and counter to how most collective bargaining is done. (at least here) Usually from the way I understand it an agreement is made and it's all drawn up and it's done as an up or down vote by the union and it's finalized or reworked based on the voting.

                    That sounds like what I said. If it is an up vote, they then finalize it. If it is a down vote by the union, we vote on line item things we want in or out(rework it based on voting) and it goes back to the other side.
                    When rookie Randall Cobb was told by this U.S. Marine that he was a big fan of the wide receiver, Cobb said, “I think I’m a bigger fan of yours.”

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                    • p_rushing
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 14514

                      #1075
                      Re: Official CBA Thread

                      The NFLPA isn't a "union", so they can't enter into the CBA until they are an union again. I don't know why the players have a bunch of problems with the fact that the deal isn't complete, it is your fault that the deal isn't complete. If they recertify right now, the deal can be completed, but until that point it will always be incomplete.

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                      • Bondgirl0072
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 1138

                        #1076
                        Re: Official CBA Thread

                        every fan is frustrated. I really hope everything gets done soon.

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                        • The Big Squeezy
                          Pro
                          • May 2011
                          • 796

                          #1077
                          Re: Official CBA Thread

                          Just sign the ****ing deal already. Jeez.
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                          Originally posted by snepp
                          Ken Dilger, weapon.
                          Someone needs to set this thread on fire.

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                          • p_rushing
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 14514

                            #1078
                            Re: Official CBA Thread

                            nothing happening until Monday



                            NFL Players Association representatives told players in a letter Friday to "stay put" this weekend while it reviews the owners' proposed settlement and that the reps would meet Monday to discuss their options.

                            Text of the letter, obtained by ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter:

                            "Guys, To keep you abreast of the latest developments, we are reviewing the latest proposal for a settlement. Because of the passing of Myra Kraft in Boston, the NFLPA will not be making any public statements in honor of the Kraft family. Our recommendation is for everyone to stay put and keep doing what you are doing where you are doing it. We will meet again on Monday to discuss our options and the direction we want to go. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to contact us. Thanks for your patience. Your Player Reps."

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                            • aTTckr
                              Rookie
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 259

                              #1079
                              Re: Official CBA Thread

                              How can those guys be so lazy? Why don't they just work on the weekend? I always feared that in the end the players would screw everything up just because most of them are just a bunch of dumb idiots. smh

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                              • mestevo
                                Gooney Goo Goo
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 19556

                                #1080
                                Players disputing that report, say they're working through the weekend and nothing is planned for Monday.

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