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[N51_rob]

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He can't throw him open like other good QBs can do?

If you're waiting for him to get open, then you're already ****ing yourself over as a QB.

Not saying he can't but against the coverage the apace to throw him open isn't there perse.

Not about waiting for him to be open. 3rd and 16 Detroit is playing coverage and vs 7 defenders only 2 routes went vertical the rest were check downs. It's clear the design of the play wasn't about converting it was to get room for the punter.

[kingkilla56]

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He can't throw him open like other good QBs can do?

If you're waiting for him to get open, then you're already ****ing yourself over as a QB.

RG3 was trying to push a play that was designed to accept the punt. He didnt really have a chance to convert there, but tried to anyway.

[TheMatrix31]

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You'd tire of him eventually.

Probably, lol. I would have loved to see what Kubiak could have done with him in our offense with Foster and Johnson. SMH. Would have been disgusting.

[jWILL253]

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Guys, remember when fans and people in the media said that RG3 would have a better career and higher ceiling than Russell Wilson?

/s (kinda)

I don't blame RG3's issues squarely on him, tho. Honestly, I think he would've been a great player, had he gone to literally ANY OTHER FRANCHISE.

Including the Browns.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Not saying he can't but against the coverage the apace to throw him open isn't there perse.

Not about waiting for him to be open. 3rd and 16 Detroit is playing coverage and vs 7 defenders only 2 routes went vertical the rest were check downs. It's clear the design of the play wasn't about converting it was to get room for the punter.

It'd be a tight window no doubt, but if he's trying to prove to everyone that he's not the bust/scrub that people are making him out to be, then he has to learn to make better decisions in cases like that as opposed to just taking off as soon as the ball is snapped.

Better for him to work on it now than when the season starts.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Guys, remember when fans and people in the media said that RG3 would have a better career and higher ceiling than Russell Wilson?

/s (kinda)

.

Nobody else remembers or cares about that other than Seahawks Fans.

[kingkilla56]

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Russell Wilson is still basic though.

[N51_rob]

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It'd be a tight window no doubt, but if he's trying to prove to everyone that he's not the bust/scrub that people are making him out to be, then he has to learn to make better decisions in cases like that as opposed to just taking off as soon as the ball is snapped.

Better for him to work on it now than when the season starts.

Like the throw he made to Roberts where the delay blitz LB ran free and drilled him? He stuck in there a few times. Again no defense but he did some good things. Go track down John Kiems article. (I linked it on Twitter) good break down of the 8 drop backs. The last one is the only one he has 3 seconds or more.

Edit: Article mentioned.

http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/19189/blame-spread-around-on-rough-passing-night-by-redskins-qb-rg-iii

[N51_rob]

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Guys, remember when fans and people in the media said that RG3 would have a better career and higher ceiling than Russell Wilson?

/s (kinda)

I don't blame RG3's issues squarely on him, tho. Honestly, I think he would've been a great player, had he gone to literally ANY OTHER FRANCHISE.

Including the Browns.

You've got to be the most bitter fan I've ever come across. You're squad is having a great run and rather than enjoy you're just running around all salty.

Yeah Cleveland, how did Colt McCoy or any other QB fare there? Griffin has regressed no doubt. But he has been helped by injuries, being hyper sensitive to any and all negativity, refusal to run an offense that plays to his strength, and a scary lack of self awareness. Very little of the latest changes in another organization. Shanahan gave him a strong run game, half field reads and a RO that slowed pass rushers and he got his feelings hurt because they didn't call any RO in the Cleveland game in 2012.

But whatever man, your shtick is growing tired. I'd have you on ignore already but as a mod that's a No-no so I'm forced to continue to see all this menusha and try as I might every once in a while I feel obligated to respond (which is my own damn fault.).

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Like the throw he made to Roberts where the delay blitz LB ran free and drilled him? He stuck in there a few times. Again no defense but he did some good things. Go track down John Kiems article. (I linked it on Twitter) good break down of the 8 drop backs. The last one is the only one he has 3 seconds or more.

Edit: Article mentioned.
http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-r...kins-qb-rg-iii

Read the article earlier and heard it get talked about on 980 all day today.

I'm not saying he didn't do any good things at all or that he played awful and everyone didn't. Wouldn't be fair since the Offense was missing quite a few key guys on that side.

But I'm also still seeing the same issues in these last 2 games that's been an issue before as well. Which is weird because hearing the reports from Camp, it's been the opposite.

[jWILL253]

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Christ.

It. Was. A. Joke.

[Speedy]

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Spoiler

You got 3 options right there in front of you and another one at the sticks, yet he chose to run and proceed to turn the ball over.

Stick throw was covered as the defense was in cover 4. Yes the check down is the play. But after three awful series I think he was pressing to make something out of the drive. Aka trying to back up his words.

Not defending him, but it is funny the only time he had a chance to scan the field was when Detroit dropped 8 deep.

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I disagree, Rob.

The offense must take what the defensive gives them...especially on 3rd and long. What's better - 4th and 5 or 4th and 20? The short-term answer is both are not good but the better answer is that 4th and 5 gives your defense more room to work with and your punt team less field to cover.

Spoiler

I feel like I'm giving John Fox a pass with the stupid 3rd/long RB draws....I'm not though!

I personally find this a very bad sign for his future and maturity as a pro QB. He has 2 guys with no defender within 5 yards, one of which is a RB in mid-field. I would much rather have my RB with the ball in an open field than my QB scrambling trying to get yards.

[N51_rob]

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I disagree, Rob.

The offense must take what the defensive gives them...especially on 3rd and long. What's better - 4th and 5 or 4th and 20? The short-term answer is both are not good but the better answer is that 4th and 5 gives your defense more room to work with and your punt team less field to cover.

Spoiler

I feel like I'm giving John Fox a pass with the stupid 3rd/long RB draws....I'm not though!

I personally find this a very bad sign for his future and maturity as a pro QB. He has 2 guys with no defender within 5 yards, one of which is a RB in mid-field. I would much rather have my RB with the ball in an open field than my QB scrambling trying to get yards.

Agree with your point.

What I'm saying is that and I'll take it back to HS football. When we played a scrimmage and coach told us this was our last series or whatever. Everyone would try to make that one big play. I would forgo the short route and looked deep.

In this situation, they have looked horrendous on 3 series. They all know this is probably their last game action. So yes the checkdown is the correct play 10/10 punt and (in the regular season) get them next time. I don't know what Griffin is thinking but I assume he is looking for a way to continue this drive and in his mind thinks he's gonna run past LBs and DBs and make a miraculous 16 yard gain and maybe get three more plays.

Again not defending or making a justification. But we've all played the game and know that sometime we do try to make something out of nothing.

[coogrfan]

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Guys, remember when fans and people in the media said that RG3 would have a better career and higher ceiling than Russell Wilson?

/s (kinda)

I don't blame RG3's issues squarely on him, tho. Honestly, I think he would've been a great player, had he gone to literally ANY OTHER FRANCHISE.

Including the Browns.

It would be interesting to see just where RGIII and Wilson would be today if they had switched places three years ago. Put RGIII on those Seahawks teams and we probably aren't having the "Griffin sucks" conversations.

[jWILL253]

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It would be interesting to see just where RGIII and Wilson would be today if they had switched places three years ago. Put RGIII on those Seahawks teams and we probably aren't having the "Griffin sucks" conversations.

Yes we would because the Oline he would be behind would be worse. And with his injury frequency, he'd miss even more time than he has now.