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  • lowpaiddonkey10
    MVP
    • Oct 2017
    • 2163

    #196
    Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

    Originally posted by scagwi
    I just hope they are building this as a long term platform base..

    This needs to be EA PGA Tour ... and not so much EA PGA Tour 2023

    A golf game doesn't need even close to annual updates. What it needs is a great content library that grows over time while the core software continually gets fixed and upgraded and tweaked.

    Though I'm not fan of "subscription anything", this really is a game that would benefit from some core game purchase and then ongoing subscriptions for an additional and growing content library.

    2K seemed to be on a good track with that, but not nearly "enough"

    Assuming they manage to get the swing mechanic right on release I would prefer they use tuners for future updates like NHL so that you could choose to use the original mechanic the game released with if you prefer it.

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    • JayhawkerStL
      Banned
      • Apr 2004
      • 3644

      #197
      Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

      Originally posted by scagwi
      It does make one wonder what the process is here and who's involved in making product direction decisions.

      I really hope they are getting great real golfer input on this.

      I'll be tremendously bummed if they just didn't cast a wide enough net and the gameplay or new swing sucks as a result..

      Going "stealth" isn't great on something like this. It's one reason I wish it were on PC, as it might increase the chances of some type of closed beta during development. (since that's so easy to do on PC)
      Dude, they do focus groups. They identify demographic groups they want to sell to, and then they interview them, show them PR, watch gameplay, maybe play some. There is no wishlist we can come up with here that isn’t already in their list of ideas.

      Also, that part of the game design is over. Both golf games will be what they be. I expect most people will end up liking the game they think they will. The approaches are different enough that I don’t see a lot of crossover.

      I’m not worried, because I have enjoyed TWs and Rory’s gameplay. I expect I will like the new game’s gameplay. I’m just hoping they finish the game this time.

      I don’t expect to like the gameplay in 2K23, but I will end up buying it and trying it at some point. Then I will just play whichever is more fun for various reasons.

      What I don’t get is the stress. Because that’s all we do. Play games, stick with ones we like. We have two golf games coming. We all just need one to scratch our itch, and we all have our own itches we need scratched.

      To be honest, unless one of the games just ****s the bed, which I just don’t see happening, I expect most people will have plenty of golf to play.

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      • scagwi
        MVP
        • Aug 2015
        • 2718

        #198
        Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

        Originally posted by JayhawkerStL
        Dude, they do focus groups.
        Can you please not start a reply like this?

        We are all friends here and trying to just have a fun/cordial atmosphere.

        Nobody is "stressing" -- we are just excited and hopeful and discussion about all this is what we have right now and it's fun to think and talk about!

        Folks come up with some cool ideas in conversation here (I think).
        One never knows who is reading what and where.

        (game devs are just people online like the rest of us...and they lurk all over)

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        • VoltSwoosh
          Banned
          • Jun 2021
          • 1090

          #199
          Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

          If the game is good enough, I’ll happily pay for a ‘2023 PGA Championship DLC’ for example that added the course and a golfer. (Of course even better if it was free!)

          It doesn’t need to be a yearly thing, just don’t abandon it like Rory.

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          • bigkev
            Pro
            • Apr 2019
            • 912

            #200
            Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

            Originally posted by JayhawkerStL
            There is no wishlist we can come up with here that isn’t already in their list of ideas.

            Also, that part of the game design is over.

            They've got their model, TW14. The scope was done a long time ago for next game, it's just a matter of how much content / development time, including new swing mechanic, they can get in with the $ allocated.

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            • scagwi
              MVP
              • Aug 2015
              • 2718

              #201
              Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

              Don't we have to at least acknowledge that we have no idea what they are using for a model of this game?

              I mean ... we'd like/love them to do a TW14 with Rory visuals (brought up to modern standards)... But do we know that's the plan?

              Unless I missed something, we don't have any clue what their goals are here, do we?

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              • bigkev
                Pro
                • Apr 2019
                • 912

                #202
                Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

                They already have the 4 Majors like TW14... they're building on the career mode fm Rory. How much we're getting with the $ allocated, no idea. That's the difference how they're building their game vs HB/2K game. EA PGA will be the career and arcade mode of golf game. HB/2K will be the golf game for weekend warriors, with unlimited golf courses done by creators. Almost all the PR from EA has been about career mode so far.

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                • scagwi
                  MVP
                  • Aug 2015
                  • 2718

                  #203
                  Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

                  Sounds good to me
                  The more real licensed courses in Frostbite, the better

                  That's a huge part of the appeal to me here.

                  I hope 2k has come up with some way to nuke the "sameness" of all the courses from their creator software and system design.

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                  • MrArlingtonBeach
                    MVP
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 4530

                    #204
                    Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

                    Originally posted by scagwi
                    Sounds good to me
                    The more real licensed courses in Frostbite, the better

                    That's a huge part of the appeal to me here.

                    I hope 2k has come up with some way to nuke the "sameness" of all the courses from their creator software and system design.
                    The sameness is based, IMO, on the fact that the themes are super limited. There are 11 total themes, which sounds pretty good. But some are very similar to others (there's a "Harvest" and an "Autumn" theme, a "Rustic" and "Countryside" theme, and a "Steppe" and "Desert" theme - there aren't a ton of differences between each).

                    The ability to use all trees, plants, etc. in any theme is great and helps allow for more customization, but the initial set up is quite restrictive. That's why so many courses end up looking and feeling so similar. You can only dress up certain similar themes so much to make it feel unique before it just feels like other courses that use the same theme. Also, lots of assets/trees/objects are completely worthless and would look silly on any course. So they never get used at all.

                    I guess my uneducated solution would be to add to the number of themes, or allow for complete customization of the plot - perhaps even allowing designers to use real world LiDAR data to build courses on actual plots of land. I mean, other people found ways to unofficially do that, so why not allow it officially in some capacity?
                    Last edited by MrArlingtonBeach; 05-31-2022, 04:52 PM.
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                    • VoltSwoosh
                      Banned
                      • Jun 2021
                      • 1090

                      #205
                      Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

                      Originally posted by bigkev
                      They've got their model, TW14. The scope was done a long time ago for next game, it's just a matter of how much content / development time, including new swing mechanic, they can get in with the $ allocated.


                      Judging by the cover, I’m guessing this is as close as we are ever going to get to the type of game we want.

                      A far cry from the night club challenge.

                      But hey, anyone up for night club challenges at Amen Corner? Lolololol

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                      • MrArlingtonBeach
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 4530

                        #206
                        Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

                        Originally posted by VoltSwoosh
                        Judging by the cover, I’m guessing this is as close as we are ever going to get to the type of game we want.

                        A far cry from the night club challenge.

                        But hey, anyone up for night club challenges at Amen Corner? Lolololol
                        They let Dude Perfect putz around there with all kinds of nonsense...who knows?
                        Orbis Non Suficit

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                        • JayhawkerStL
                          Banned
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 3644

                          #207
                          Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

                          Originally posted by scagwi
                          Can you please not start a reply like this?

                          We are all friends here and trying to just have a fun/cordial atmosphere.

                          Nobody is "stressing" -- we are just excited and hopeful and discussion about all this is what we have right now and it's fun to think and talk about!

                          Folks come up with some cool ideas in conversation here (I think).
                          One never knows who is reading what and where.

                          (game devs are just people online like the rest of us...and they lurk all over)
                          Fine. I sure hope EA talked to a golfer about golf and how it’s played, too. Hopefully they aren’t dumb, and accidentally spoke with Hot Shots Golf fans.

                          Let’s discuss…

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                          • VoltSwoosh
                            Banned
                            • Jun 2021
                            • 1090

                            #208
                            Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

                            Originally posted by MrArlingtonBeach
                            They let Dude Perfect putz around there with all kinds of nonsense...who knows?


                            That the best answer I’ve ever received on here[emoji23]

                            Seriously though , that video shocked me! Sure it wasn’t CGI? 🤣

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                            • kehlis
                              Moderator
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 27738

                              #209
                              Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

                              Originally posted by JayhawkerStL
                              Fine. I sure hope EA talked to a golfer about golf and how it’s played, too. Hopefully they aren’t dumb, and accidentally spoke with Hot Shots Golf fans.

                              Let’s discuss…
                              What's your issue man? So confrontational for no reason.

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                              • bigkev
                                Pro
                                • Apr 2019
                                • 912

                                #210
                                Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

                                Dunno, read many times Tiger had his fingerprints all over the TW series. And Patel is supposedly close to a scratch golfer too. Expertise has always been there.

                                As for the Night Club, didn't mind it. It wasn't for me, was a gimmick for the new generation players, all arcade. Wasn't much worse than mini Tiger and his life to adult.

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