PGA TOUR 2K23 Impressions

[bigkev]

Re: PGA TOUR 2K23 Impressions

Sure as heck won't be getting my money by recycling an old engine, yet again (how many times now?), for a game in 2025 and beyond.

They only care about this to a certain point, that's at least 3 games in a row they're giving for free as game of the month. Of course, it's ads galore all the time over there to make you buy stuff in the game.

[lowpaiddonkey10]

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Well, in the context of the EA game being "a thing" (regardless of what one thinks of the gameplay), I think 2k would have a really hard time selling yet another version on the same graphics engine.


This is why, even though I don't care for it, I'm happy the EA game exists.

I think that if EA had knocked it out of the park with this game it would have forced 2k to upgrade their engine. Since they did not it let 2k off the hook. I think Unity offers an upgraded game engine they might do something like that but they would never put themselves in the position of losing the course designer. Never.

[lowpaiddonkey10]

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The online needs to be more versatile. I get that everyone likes to vie for position, so then fine. Allow the host to set tougher, more realistic conditions if wanted.

Everything other than great new courses all the time is subpar in this game. Career is worse than bad and there is nothing else that brings me back to the game. In my case though that's all I want. Play a few rounds and I'm good.

[jbd345]

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I think that if EA had knocked it out of the park with this game it would have forced 2k to upgrade their engine. Since they did not it let 2k off the hook. I think Unity offers an upgraded game engine they might do something like that but they would never put themselves in the position of losing the course designer. Never.

Sure the gameplay in EA is less than desired, but you can’t ignore the fact that the unity engine can’t compete with frostbite. It’s been almost four years. It’s time for developers to ditch last gen.

[lowpaiddonkey10]

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Sure the gameplay in EA is less than desired, but you can’t ignore the fact that the unity engine can’t compete with frostbite. It’s been almost four years. It’s time for developers to ditch last gen.

I agree with ditching last gen. Hopefully that would improve the look of the game on current gen. Tell the truth if 25 or whenever they release the new game isn't a vast improvement over 23 I don't think I would buy it unless they made improvements in the designer that would allow creators more leeway with the planting meter and add more assets.

[ataranto2]

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I don’t know much of anything about the technicalities of the Unity engine, so is there anyway for them to achieve true next gen graphics staying on Unity or have they completely reached the ceiling and that would only be achievable on a new engine?

[bigkev]

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I have no idea how much better Unity can be. I remember some kind of controversy in the business news last fall, something about the company charging a users fee. Not long after that, news came up with a Unity 6 engine.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

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I don’t know much of anything about the technicalities of the Unity engine, so is there anyway for them to achieve true next gen graphics staying on Unity or have they completely reached the ceiling and that would only be achievable on a new engine?

Seems Unity can do some pretty decent "next-gen" landscapes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VRVWSlVuDQ

[ataranto2]

Re: PGA TOUR 2K23 Impressions

Seems Unity can do some pretty decent "next-gen" landscapes...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VRVWSlVuDQ

This does look very nice. I think that 2k implementing more detailed background landscapes and a larger variety of grass and bunker types and textures would make a massive difference in the graphics alone. I think they already have a solid lighting system and the player models are decent, but there really needs to be a huge update to the landscapes, the courses on the EA game are just so much more detailed and I would love to see that from 2k as well.

[lowpaiddonkey10]

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My understanding is and I could be wrong is that HB/2k is not using the most updated version of the Unity engine.

[bigkev]

Re: PGA TOUR 2K23 Impressions

My understanding is and I could be wrong is that HB/2k is not using the most updated version of the Unity engine.

Maybe they're doing this to not mess up too much courses being transferred to their new games.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

Re: PGA TOUR 2K23 Impressions

Maybe they're doing this to not mess up too much courses being transferred to their new games.

I feel like this is probably the case. I also think it's because 2K23 was still on last-gen consoles. It makes sense why the games were still on PS4 and Xbox One, but we might be getting to the point where last-gen could be left behind.

The other thing is, they changed how the game played quite a bit between 2K21 and 2K23, especially with green speeds and how the golf ball reacts to the turf. So a lot of courses ported from 2K21 had to be adjusted quite a bit to actually play properly in 2K23. They also updated tree and landscape assets between the two games, and some of the new assets made the courses look quite a bit different and even caused issues with things like buried trees now sticking up out of the ground.

All this to say that I think it might not be a bad idea for HB to go ahead and go all "next gen" in 2K25/6 and fully upgrade to a newer version of the Unity engine (if they stay with Unity). Worst case scenario is that they untether the new game from courses in the previous games, which now look kind of repetitive and dated from using the same assets and themes for almost a decade, and kick things up a notch with new fresh assets, themes, backdrops, and more.

[jbd345]

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I feel like this is probably the case. I also think it's because 2K23 was still on last-gen consoles. It makes sense why the games were still on PS4 and Xbox One, but we might be getting to the point where last-gen could be left behind.

The other thing is, they changed how the game played quite a bit between 2K21 and 2K23, especially with green speeds and how the golf ball reacts to the turf. So a lot of courses ported from 2K21 had to be adjusted quite a bit to actually play properly in 2K23. They also updated tree and landscape assets between the two games, and some of the new assets made the courses look quite a bit different and even caused issues with things like buried trees now sticking up out of the ground.

All this to say that I think it might not be a bad idea for HB to go ahead and go all "next gen" in 2K25/6 and fully upgrade to a newer version of the Unity engine (if they stay with Unity). Worst case scenario is that they untether the new game from courses in the previous games, which now look kind of repetitive and dated from using the same assets and themes for almost a decade, and kick things up a notch with new fresh assets, themes, backdrops, and more.

Would be fantastic if we could get NBA 2k style graphics, whatever engine they use for that could easily compete with frostbite.

[ataranto2]

Re: PGA TOUR 2K23 Impressions

Even though it would be unfortunate to have to throw out all the courses everyone has made over the past 10 years in order to move to a new or updated engine, I definitely think it would be worth it. We’re four years into this new console generation it’s time they give the users next gen tools to create better courses that we can use for the next 5-10 years or so

[lowpaiddonkey10]

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Even though it would be unfortunate to have to throw out all the courses everyone has made over the past 10 years in order to move to a new or updated engine, I definitely think it would be worth it. We’re four years into this new console generation it’s time they give the users next gen tools to create better courses that we can use for the next 5-10 years or so

Certainly not the last 10 years most of the ported courses almost all are from 21. There are too many great user created courses from this year alone to just toss all of them. The game is not perfect now by any means but I don't think a slight graphic upgrade and I think that's all we will get is worth losing what we currently have. Maybe you have faith in HB/2k to create something out of this world on a new engine I don't.