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  • kingkilla56
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    • Jun 2009
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    #2956
    Re: Xbox One

    Originally posted by BellSKA
    I've been thinking about this same issue being a GameFly subscriber. It's such a great service and after doing the math very economical. What if??? Microsoft created a similar service online where you can download content, ie a full game for a minimal rental fee. If you like the game you'll have the option to rent longer or buy at a reduced price. If you decide to not keep it let's say you have a rental time of a few weeks or a month before it's removed or blocked on your console.

    Just food for thought.
    What is Microsoft's incentive for renting games instead of: your only option of experiencing the game is buying it retail?

    Best case I see is like a 4-8 hour trial period for XBGold members only. Because you know they want you to pay for that too. XBL prices are sure to go up anyway.

    Edit: Im bugging maybe like a 2 hour trial.
    Last edited by kingkilla56; 06-07-2013, 07:06 PM.
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    • ghettogeeksta
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      • Sep 2011
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      #2957
      Re: Xbox One

      Originally posted by Cusefan
      Being loyal to a console is so stupid, no problem switching over to the PS4 for me.
      Yep, I was with PS1 and PS2, when I didn't like PSN on the PS3 after playing Xbox Live because the 360 came out first, I stayed the Xbox360 for Xbox Live, now it looks like I will be going back to Sony with the PS4.

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      • PAPERNUT
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        • May 2003
        • 1690

        #2958
        Re: Xbox One

        Originally posted by DaveDQ
        At this point my curiosity is now with how Xbox live subscriptions will change and what fees will rise from it. Surely this cloud stuff isn't free.
        Great point. Do you also need Live to play your games on the One as well as online always?

        Sorry, I cannot get over the need for the online always restrictions. I thought the DRM would tick me off more, but I am willing to handle it if Sony does it as well, but no chance I go with the online always crap.
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        • DanH35
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          • Feb 2003
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          #2959
          Re: Xbox One

          Originally posted by spankdatazz22
          Guess the videogame market crash/correction is going to come sooner rather than later if Sony goes the route Microsoft is. And at this point I'd be shocked if they didn't; this has to be an issue that the bigger publishers are pushing for. I don't see how Microsoft publishes enough first party content to justify going this route on it's own.

          Perhaps the only silver lining would be new games at a reduced cost. But they'd have to slice the MSRP by at least a third to $40, and I'd say half to $30 before people would take the loss of having the freedom to walk to the local Gamestop and purchase a game used at a decent price. I don't see how Microsoft (and perhaps Sony) gets around the more restrictive policy without lowering the MSRP.
          I can't think of a valid business reason to reduce the MSRP. There are always going to be people willing to buy the game the first day it releases for $60, the gaming companies know this and it won't change. But what is changing is the amount of sales on recently released games. As long as you don't need the game the week it releases, there's always a sale. I got Injustice a couple weeks after it released for $35. I bought The Show at release, but 3 weeks later it was on sale and I got some money back on it. I can't think of the last non special or limited edition game I've paid full price for in the last 2 years. As long as the retailers keep these type of deals, I have no problem with the new DRM policies.

          As I was typing this, something I did think of was early released games. I'm sure even if a retailer sells the game before the street date, it will not play until the street date in your system. So the "Where is it?" threads will be a thing of the past.

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          • Sandman42
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            • Aug 2004
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            #2960
            Re: Xbox One

            Originally posted by Cusefan
            Being loyal to a console is so stupid, no problem switching over to the PS4 for me.
            Curious to see people's reactions next week if Sony announces the same policies with regards to used/lending/renting games.

            I know they've already said no to always online, but they could still require an online check once every 72 hours or a week.
            Last edited by Sandman42; 06-07-2013, 07:21 PM.
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            • TheBleedingRed21
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              • Oct 2010
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              #2961
              Re: Xbox One

              Originally posted by mgoblue
              I understand debating the restrictions, so can see why that can turn you off.

              Other than that, why does the Xbox One offering you more entertainment stuff become a bad thing? I can understand why you may not use it, but I guess I prefer a company that is trying to innovate vs. being stagnant.

              A PS4 is the same as a PS3 from what you say, just with better specs.

              IMO the Xbox One is trying to go into new areas, and getting heat for it, but for now the new features are interesting to me.

              I like being able to install my games and not have to worry about finding the disc whenever I want to play it. I can be on the couch playing one game and switch to another without having to dig that game out of my drawer or closet (I don't have games displayed in the open at home).

              I also think that the Xbox One is something my wife could actually learn to use, whereas the PS3 is horrible for intuitive use by someone who ISN'T a gamer.

              I see both sides. I guess I just see that PS4 is a "gamer's" machine and I'm not just purely a gamer anymore. I've changed as I've gotten older. When I was 25, single, and playing on XBL until 3am every night I'd love the PS4 I think.

              Let's see E3 though. I want to compare new XBL and new PSN, along with hearing if Sony's doing anything for the casual type gamer or not.

              Honestly, my PC has taken up my gaming, so I could possibly skip both of these if they're not good enough. I don't game on my "main tv" as much now, so that's why I wouldn't need a "gamer's" device....
              No offense but my wife is not a gamer and plays on the ps3 with apps and even gotten into some games. The interface is not hard. Lol.
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                • Sep 2002
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                #2962
                Originally posted by Sandman42
                Curious to see people's reactions next week if Sony announces the same policies with regards to used/lending/renting games.

                I know they've already said no to always online, but they could still require an online check once every 72 hours or a week.
                My guess it won't make MS look any better

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                • PAPERNUT
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                  • May 2003
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                  #2963
                  Re: Xbox One

                  Originally posted by Sandman42
                  Curious to see people's reactions next week if Sony announces the same policies with regards to used/lending/renting games.

                  I know they've already said no to always online, but they could still require an online check once every 72 hours or a week.
                  My fear as well.
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                  • ghettogeeksta
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                    • Sep 2011
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                    #2964
                    Re: Xbox One

                    IGN Clears Up Some Questions


                    Does it require an internet connection?
                    YES. Xbox One will need to connect to the internet every 24 hours in order to let you play games on your primary console. On any other console, it will need to connect to the Internet every hour. Some games and services will require a persistent connection. If you are somewhere without any Internet connection at all, such as a military base, you will NOT be able to use Xbox One. Watching TV or Blu-Ray discs is exempt from this restriction.
                    Xbox One will need to connect to the Internet to authenticate you and check which games you own as well as connect to the Cloud. Games are tied to your Xbox Live account, so without connecting to the Internet the Xbox One won't be able to verify that you own them. A side-note: as a result, you can play all your games from any Xbox One console.
                    What kind of Internet connection do I need to use it?
                    Microsoft recommends a broadband connection of at least 1.5Mbps.


                    Will Xbox One games be released on-disc and digitally at the same time?
                    YES. "You’ll be able to buy disc-based games at traditional retailers or online through Xbox Live, on day of release," says Microsoft's official information.


                    Is it always-online?
                    Technically NO, but it depends on your definition of the phrase. You will be able to watch TV and Blu-Ray movies and play single-player games without being connected to the Internet at all times, but as outlined above, the console will need access to the Internet at least once a day on your own console or once an hour on another. "While a persistent connection is not required, Xbox One is designed to verify if system, application or game updates are needed and to see if you have acquired new games, or resold, traded in, or given your game to a friend. Games that are designed to take advantage of the cloud may require a connection," says Microsoft.

                    Can I play my games on a friend's console?
                    YES. You can play your games on any console that's connected to the Internet.


                    Can I play my friend's games on my console?
                    NO, not unless you're signed in as them. Otherwise you will have to buy that game yourself. Even if your friend leaves the disc with you, you can't play it unless you buy it.
                    The clearest stance on this comes from Eurogamer's interview with Harrison: "I can come to your house and I can put the disc into your machine and I can sign in as me and we can play the game. The bits are on your hard drive. At the end of the play session, when I take my disc home - or even if I leave it with you - if you want to continue to play that game [on your profile] then you have to pay for it. The bits are already on your hard drive, so it's just a question of going to our [online] store and buying the game, and then it's instantly available to play. The bits that are on the disc, I can give to anybody else, but if we both want to play it at the same time, we both have to own it. That's no different to how discs operate today."
                    Microsoft's Major Nelson (Larry Hyrb) put it this way: "Should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile." But then if you go home and leave the disc with your friend, they will have to pay for that game if they want to play it on their own profile.

                    Can my friends and family play my games on my console?
                    YES. If a game is installed on a console, anybody who uses that console can play it through that console's parental controls. "Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games Anyone can play your games on your console, regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you," says the official information.
                    Bottom line: you can only share games if your accounts are on the same console.


                    Can I lend my games to my friends or family?
                    YES AND NO. On the one hand, Xbox One's licensing only supports "giving" your games to a friend - so you can transfer the rights for a game to a pal, but then you don't own it any more and can't play it. They also can't give it back, or transfer it on to anyone else; each game can only be transferred once. Also, you have to have been Xbox Live friends for at least 30 days to be able to pass a game on to someone.
                    On the other hand, you can set up 10 accounts as "family" accounts that can play your games anywhere from your console, which enables limited game sharing, similar to iTunes' Home Sharing. But we do not know how this is going to work, what counts as "family", or whether Microsoft is going to somehow attempt to verify these people's relationship with you.


                    Can it play pre-owned games?
                    YES, but this is still sketchy details-wise. The license system implies that you can trade a game in, but then the person who buys it won't be able to trade it in again, as each game license can only be transferred once. However, this is not absolutely clear.
                    "Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers," says Xbox.com.
                    So you will be able to trade in games at retail, but only through selected Microsoft-approved stores and retail partners, and third-parties are in control of whether it's enabled for particular games. We're not likely to get the details on exactly how that works for some time yet. In the meantime, our wiki lists some more details.


                    What about game disc-rental services like Lovefilm and Gamefly?
                    RENTAL WILL NOT WORK AT LAUNCH. "Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners," says Microsoft. To be honest that doesn't sound enormously promising for things like Gamefly.


                    Does every game have to be installed?
                    YES. This is partly down to the speed of Blu-Ray drives. If you want to play a game, it will have to be installed on that system.


                    How big is the hard drive?
                    500GB, but you can't use all of it. Microsoft's official Xbox One information site contains a significant caveat in the small print: "Xbox One system software uses a significant amount of storage; less internal storage will be available to users."


                    Will it work without Kinect?
                    NO. Kinect requires to be attached to the console in all cases. "The all new Kinect is now an essential and integrated part of the platform. By having it as a consistent part of every Xbox One, game and entertainment creators can build experiences that assume the availability of voice, gesture and natural sensing, leading to unrivaled ease of use, premium experiences and interactivity for you," says Microsoft's Xbox One FAQ. However, developers will not be mandated to use Kinect in every game, Phil Harrison clarified to Eurogamer.


                    Can I turn Kinect off?
                    SORT OF. You can "pause" Kinect when you don't want to use it and the game or service you're using doesn't require it.
                    You can't turn off Kinect's microphone, says hardware program manager John Link (via Polygon). It's always listening. But in its idle state, it's evidently only listening for the phrase "Xbox On", rather than passively absorbing your conversations.


                    Does Kinect automatically upload information to Microsoft?
                    NO. "You can play games or enjoy applications that use data,such as videos, photos, facial expressions, heart rate and more, but this data will not leave your Xbox One without your explicit permission," says Microsoft.


                    Do I have to use voice and gesture controls?
                    NO. Controllers, remotes and everything else will still work. "While it’s faster to find what you’re looking for using your voice and gesture commands with Kinect, you can use a controller, your remote controls or your smart devices instead. And you can use all of these devices when Kinect is paused," Xbox Newswire reassures.


                    Will all that live TV stuff be available outside of the US at launch?
                    NO. At launch it will only work in the US, with a gradual global rollout planned.


                    How will Xbox One's live TV work with existing cable providers, like Sky?
                    DON'T KNOW. No Microsoft source has been clear on this - both Harrison and UK marketing director Harvey Eagle have stated that this will be revealed in due course. It's likely that all the requisite agreements are not in place yet. Xbox.com's own Xbox One information suggests that eventually it will work with any TV-viewing box via HDMI pass-thru: "Connect your cable or satellite box to your Xbox One and prepare for lift off."


                    Is it backwards compatible in any way?
                    NO. Not with any Xbox 360 games, digital or physical. "The system is based on a different core architecture, so back-compat doesn't really work from that perspective," according to Xbox Live vice president Marc Whitten.


                    Will my Xbox Live Gold account transfer?
                    YES, says the Xbox One FAQ: "You do not need to buy a new Xbox Live Gold membership. Your current membership will work on both Xbox 360 and Xbox One."


                    How about my Gamerscore?
                    YES, that's coming with you as well - along with your Avatar. "All of the gaming identity that you have on Xbox 360 will be there on Xbox One as well," said Harvey Eagle.


                    And my digital games library?
                    NO. You'll have to say goodbye to your Xbox Live Arcade purchases, as outlined by Eagle last night. But entertainment purchases WILL transfer over.


                    Will I still have to pay for Xbox Live Gold?
                    YES. The head of Xbox in Europe told The Metro: "Yes, we still see that as a chargeable service... I think that people understand that for a premium service that gives access to so many different rich parts of entertainment. Our consumers are happy and I think we represent great value there actually. If you look at the plethora of things available now through Xbox Live, particularly the Gold service and what we put behind Gold, we’ve got no plans to change that."
                    Got more questions? Leave them in the comments, and we'll find the information and add them in.
                    Be sure to check out more information on the Xbox One Wiki:



                    If you are somewhere without any Internet connection at all, such as a military base, you will NOT be able to use Xbox One. Watching TV or Blu-Ray discs is exempt from this restriction.

                    This blows my mind! If Sony doesn't do the same, they have just handed them millions of new customers and potentially handed them the trophy to the console war.
                    Last edited by ghettogeeksta; 06-07-2013, 07:50 PM.

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                    • PVarck31
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                      • Jan 2003
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                      #2965
                      Re: Xbox One

                      This is crazy.

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                      • Skyboxer
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                        • Jul 2002
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                        #2966
                        Re: Xbox One

                        It's already been said that military bases etc.. will have a way around the online aspect provided by MS. At least I'm pretty sure I seen that.

                        Either way unless Sony has something simular.. I'll be going PS4 at launch.
                        XBOX1 down the road.... Maybe.

                        My biggest issue right now is I hope MS doesn't implode themselves. We need multiple systems and competition.
                        I simply don't think I can support some of these things right now. If Sony goes the same route then I guess it doesn't matter.

                        I love XBOX and LIVE so it will be hard not going that route but I have to do what makes the most sense for me.

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                        • kehlis
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                          • Jul 2008
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                          #2967
                          Re: Xbox One

                          Originally posted by Skyboxer
                          It's already been said that military bases etc.. will have a way around the online aspect provided by MS. At least I'm pretty sure I seen that.
                          To me this is one of the biggest issues I have.

                          They've admitted that they have the capability of not requiring this by saying there will be exceptions made to this rule so what gives? Why are they requiring this for everyone?

                          I just don't get it.

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                          • spankdatazz22
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                            • May 2003
                            • 6219

                            #2968
                            Re: Xbox One

                            Originally posted by DanH35
                            I can't think of a valid business reason to reduce the MSRP. There are always going to be people willing to buy the game the first day it releases for $60, the gaming companies know this and it won't change.
                            I don't understand the entire situation regarding DRM, but on the surface this whole issue seems to be a money grab by the big publishers/developers/Microsoft to forcibly dig into resellers' profit margins on used games. I don't see how Sony isn't complicit in this also, but have to give them the benefit of the doubt for now since there's been no official stance from them yet that I know of. I just don't see where it's worth it to Microsoft to take this stance on their own for Halo, Gears of War, Forza, and Fable, essentially.

                            I don't know how big the used game market is but I'm guessing it's huge, with so many companies having jumped into it. I have three Gamestops within 5 miles of me, alone - and that's not counting Best Buy, etc. that are also doing used games. I'm used to seeing parents take their kids to a Gamestop and letting them trade their own games in themselves for newer ones, giving kids a rudimentary lesson in economics/value in having to give up something they may want for something they want more. If average people are having more restrictions placed on what they can/can't do with games they buy while having to pay the same price for a game, I'd think these game companies will get a lot bigger blowback from the average person, not just the hardcore gamers that are upset now. This policy is going to benefit the publishers/devs financially. And I would think it potentially will upset a lot more people than the number that are upset now.
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                            • ghettogeeksta
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                              • Sep 2011
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                              #2969
                              Re: Xbox One

                              Originally posted by kehlis
                              To me this is one of the biggest issues I have.

                              They've admitted that they have the capability of not requiring this by saying there will be exceptions made to this rule so what gives? Why are they requiring this for everyone?

                              I just don't get it.
                              Looks like if you're a common person (civilian) without the internet, you're just SOL.

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                              • kingkilla56
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                                #2970
                                Re: Xbox One

                                Originally posted by kehlis
                                To me this is one of the biggest issues I have.

                                They've admitted that they have the capability of not requiring this by saying there will be exceptions made to this rule so what gives? Why are they requiring this for everyone?

                                I just don't get it.
                                I said it a while back, but they tipped their hand when they said they could figure something out for Military. They are pretty much admitting that none of this is necessary.
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