Xbox One

[TheLetterZ]

Re: Xbox One

It would be incredibly dumb for a 3rd party not to have some sort of DRM if they're able to...people will still pay up. It's going to happen.

Sony was just clever in calling it "optional" even though they know what's going to happen...puts the emphasis on the developers.

Either way, MS and Sony are BOTH wrong for this even being a frickin issue.

There's a huge difference between EA charging $10 for "season passes" on used PS4 games versus Microsoft not allowing people to buy or sell used games at all on their platform.

[MizzouBravesFan]

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There's a huge difference between EA charging $10 for "season passes" on used PS4 games versus Microsoft not allowing people to buy or sell used games at all on their platform.

Now if that's the case you're right, I just have a bad feeling that won't be the case...greed and $$$ speak.

[NaturalSelected]

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There are still a lot of things to be worked out. People will overreact, but the reality is this:

1. The Xbox can't be used for longer than 24 hours without checking in. That is DRM.
2. The PS4 for single player games can be played offline indefinitely.
3. The door is still open for Sony to allow DRM (like online passes and the like) on a per-game basis. That is DRM as well, but I think generally people accept this as a reasonable trade-off, especially since the core disc can be resold/traded/etc.
4. The Xbox (unless they backtrack) has restrictions on core disc re-sale/trades/etc to one other person/retail entity, etc. That is DRM.

Man, I wish they hadn't done this as an Xbox guy.

[bigfnjoe96]

There are still a lot of things to be worked out. People will overreact, but the reality is this:

1. The Xbox can't be used for longer than 24 hours without checking in. That is DRM.
2. The PS4 for single player games can be played offline indefinitely.
3. The door is still open for Sony to allow DRM (like online passes and the like) on a per-game basis. That is DRM as well, but I think generally people accept this as a reasonable trade-off, especially since the core disc can be resold/traded/etc.
4. The Xbox (unless they backtrack) has restrictions on core disc re-sale/trades/etc to one other person/retail entity, etc. That is DRM.

Man, I wish they hadn't done this as an Xbox guy.

Again the offline stuff is for Sony created & published games. If a 3rd party Dev creates a single player Game & puts DRM on the disc how does that game play on PS4?



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[mgoblue]

Re: Xbox One

There are still a lot of things to be worked out. People will overreact, but the reality is this:

1. The Xbox can't be used for longer than 24 hours without checking in. That is DRM.
2. The PS4 for single player games can be played offline indefinitely.
3. The door is still open for Sony to allow DRM (like online passes and the like) on a per-game basis. That is DRM as well, but I think generally people accept this as a reasonable trade-off, especially since the core disc can be resold/traded/etc.
4. The Xbox (unless they backtrack) has restrictions on core disc re-sale/trades/etc to one other person/retail entity, etc. That is DRM.

Man, I wish they hadn't done this as an Xbox guy.

Yeah...I agree (also as a Xbox guy, but now leaning PS4).

Essentially Sony "leaving the door open" is leaving pubs with the same options that they have on PS3 (online pass or creating their own DRM stuff like PC).

MS has made it super easy for pubs to just "turn this on" and require a fee.

Look at Ubisoft's DRM Uplay, it's pretty terrible and they've had issues on PC developing it and not having it crash. Every publisher isn't going to be able to have a good DRM solution if they have to make it. It's a huge investment.

[MrSerendipity]

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There are still a lot of things to be worked out. People will overreact, but the reality is this:

1. The Xbox can't be used for longer than 24 hours without checking in. That is DRM.
2. The PS4 for single player games can be played offline indefinitely.
3. The door is still open for Sony to allow DRM (like online passes and the like) on a per-game basis. That is DRM as well, but I think generally people accept this as a reasonable trade-off, especially since the core disc can be resold/traded/etc.
4. The Xbox (unless they backtrack) has restrictions on core disc re-sale/trades/etc to one other person/retail entity, etc. That is DRM.

Man, I wish they hadn't done this as an Xbox guy.

It's interesting to me that it was MS who actually did it. Sony pushed so hard to make PS3 a Media Center while MS stayed true to the gamer with the 360 being much more focused on being a pure gaming console. If I would've guessed earlier this year on which of the two developers was placing this into their console, I sadly would have guessed Sony. It's surprising to me that it was MS and I do feel a bit for those who have been strictly X-Box over the years.

[RJTurneR]

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Well put Natural, that pretty much sums it up. The inability to play single player for no longer than 24 hours without logging in, would send shivers down my spine.

Games may be all about multiplayer now, but I couldn't imagine gaming without single player.

[TheLetterZ]

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Now if that's the case you're right, I just have a bad feeling that won't be the case...greed and $$$ speak.

Greed and money certainly help, but keep in mind that having the kind of infrastructure to support a hardcore DRM is EXPENSIVE.

Microsoft is investing a lot of money into implementing it console-wide because they think it will be profitable for them on that large scale.

It may be cost-prohibitive for ONE developer or publisher to implement that strict of a DRM on their own, and it may in fact not be profitable at all on this smaller scale.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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It's interesting to me that it was MS who actually did it. Sony pushed so hard to make PS3 a Media Center while MS stayed true to the gamer with the 360 being much more focused on being a pure gaming console. If I would've guessed earlier this year on which of the two developers was placing this into their console, I sadly would have guessed Sony. It's surprising to me that it was MS and I do feel a bit for those who have been strictly X-Box over the years.

I clearly was not shocked, considering all the anti-trust lawsuits MSFT reigned supreme with, as well as Windows itself over the past two decades.

Always look to their roots.

[MrSerendipity]

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Again the offline stuff is for Sony created & published games. If a 3rd party Dev creates a single player Game & puts DRM on the disc how does that game play on PS4?

You will still be able to use your PS4 offline without logging in. The game may require that you play online but it wouldn't be the first game on the Playstation do that (MAG). And you would still be able to trade the game in to Gamestop and etc. At the end of the day, it is a PS4 game. And the PS4 allows you to trade, resell and buy used games.

[NaturalSelected]

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Again the offline stuff is for Sony created & published games. If a 3rd party Dev creates a single player Game & puts DRM on the disc how does that game play on PS4?

My understanding (and I could be wrong) is that DRM "on-disc" is entirely managed by the console manufacturer (in your example, Sony).

That publisher could say, even for this single player game, you have to "log in to our online pass first", essentially disabling the folks that have their PS4 off the network. But that exists today in 360 and PS3 land. The point is, Microsoft requires you to phone home, PS4 disc DRM does not.

One thing that maybe someone else might've caught, can you play the PS4 games entirely off the hard drive? Or does it still need to be in to play?

[EnigmaNemesis]

Re: Xbox One

Again the offline stuff is for Sony created & published games. If a 3rd party Dev creates a single player Game & puts DRM on the disc how does that game play on PS4?



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You need PS+ for online. So if a 3rd party dev requires that, then that would be against Sony's not needing PS+ for single player policy.

I would not be too worried, since it is not built into the firmware/OS infrastructure.

[MrSerendipity]

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I clearly was not shocked, considering all the anti-trust lawsuits MSFT reigned supreme with, as well as Windows itself over the past two decades.

Always look to their roots.

Lol that is true Enigma. I suppose I should have looked beyond their gaming world.

[Jet Sufferer]

Re: Xbox One

I'll be getting The Bone day one edition. (insert joke here)

I'll get both systems because that's what I do, early adopter electronics consumer whore. I'm part of the problem.

[MrSerendipity]

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One thing that maybe someone else might've caught, can you play the PS4 games entirely off the hard drive? Or does it still need to be in to play?

I think it will depend on how you purchase the game. If it's disc based, you'll probably still need the disc. If not, I would think they would have gone over that in the Conference. But you can always buy the game digitally and download it straight to your system without the need for a disc.