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  • SinisterAlex
    Canadian eh?
    • Oct 2009
    • 4551

    #4531
    Re: Xbox One

    I love going on other websites and such and reading the comments. It's like Microsoft has found the cure for cancer. It's like everyone just forgot what Microsoft had done over the past month.... unreal. Everyone saying "Sony's DONE!" "Xbox One has won." It's ridiculous.

    I'm not hating, I think it's good that people like us were able to send a clear message that consumers won't tolerate DRM, but I find these comments on these other websites laughable.

    In my opinion, and I reinstate MY OPINION, I see this more of a business move than anything else. There's no way Microsoft could keep those policies intact without losing customers and ultimately, money. With Sony coming out at E3 and saying, "There will be no DRM on our platform." and pair that with the consumer backlash, Microsoft are only doing this because they had to. You can't sit here and tell me that after Microsoft had developed this elaborate DRM system that was built right into the console, that they were just willing to get rid of it just for the sake of it. They heard the cries of gamers and people alike on the internet and their hand was forced.

    If you guys think Microsoft is doing this out of their own hearts, you guys are sadly mistaken. With that said, I will buy an Xbox One eventually, but a few years down the road, just like I did with the PS3. I've owned an Xbox 360 since 2008, and bought the PS3 in November 2011. I'll do the same for this generation, just in reverse.

    Just my two cents.
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    • Skyboxer
      Donny Baseball!
      • Jul 2002
      • 20302

      #4532
      Re: Xbox One

      Originally posted by AirLobo23
      See i believe a lot of it is done by just speaking and less arm motion...
      But that's just it. Don't need or want it unless it's a gaming thing like they tried in Madden 13 and it's waaay better.

      I won't have my Cable etc.. hooked through the XBOX.
      When I want to watch a movie it will be a bluray on my BR player, cable through my cable box, and gaming through the PS4/XBOX1.

      With that said IF they come up with some great gaming applications that work really well then cool.
      I still would have liked the option of getting one when I wanted one and not when MS said I needed one.
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      • RJTurneR
        MVP
        • Aug 2010
        • 2183

        #4533
        Re: Xbox One

        Again, that article supports the fallacy that MS will willingly give money away when there is no competition for distribution on consoles.

        It has nothing to do with DRM. GoG has sales all the time (they are having a huge one right now) and their whole shtick is #NoDRM. It's even the name of their sale.

        Sales don't happen when one company runs everything, hence the monopoly laws we have here in the US. Gaming consoles going purely digital will not see prices drop. MS/Sony could charge whatever they wanted in a digital world when they have no competition. You don't get ahead in business by giving away money.
        No competition in a digital world? Companies like Steam and GoG all distribute games digitally. It may be on two different platforms (PC/Consoles), but we can't just go out on a limb here and say that MS and Sony will charge whatever they want.

        Who's to say in 10 years time PC gaming will be considerably cheaper hardware wise, or that it will appeal to even more consumers than it does already. Or if consumers begin to realise that their favourite games will actually be for the majority cheaper on PC.

        What's Sony or MS going to do then? Sit there and continue charging the same and lose consumers to a different platform?

        The gaming and digital landscape could change massively over the next decade. You have to consider such things.

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        • ubernoob
          ****
          • Jul 2004
          • 15522

          #4534
          Re: Xbox One

          Originally posted by kingkilla56
          Im confused, where was Xboxsteam sales advertised? Not sure why guys make it sound like that was inevitable.
          It's more about people hoping for sales like Steam due to the BS they have to put up with as opposed to the realization that the two operate in completely different types of markets (Steam having plenty of tough competitors, while MS and Sony would be completely unopposed in their respective marketplaces.)
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          • ubernoob
            ****
            • Jul 2004
            • 15522

            #4535
            Re: Xbox One

            Originally posted by RJTurneR
            No competition in a digital world? Companies like Steam and GoG all distribute games digitally. It may be on two different platforms (PC/Consoles), but we can't just go out on a limb here and say that MS and Sony will charge whatever they want.

            Who's to say in 10 years time PC gaming will be considerably cheaper hardware wise, or that it will appeal to even more consumers than it does already. Or if consumers begin to realise that their favourite games will actually be for the majority cheaper on PC.

            What's Sony or MS going to do then? Sit there and continue charging the same and lose consumers to a different platform?

            The gaming and digital landscape could change massively over the next decade. You have to consider such things.
            That's not competition. Microsoft and Sony would still be the only ones allowed to put prices on things.

            If they lowered the prices digitally, they would have to for retail as well. The fact of the matter is, the digital marketplace would still be run entirely by one company as opposed to on PC where there are multiple companies to go to for one product.
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            • EnigmaNemesis
              Animal Liberation
              • Apr 2006
              • 12216

              #4536
              Originally posted by RJTurneR
              Put it this way.. MS clearly know something we don't, otherwise they wouldn't of considered it an advancement themselves.

              That's telling me something..
              You have too much faith in a company that has a full history of antitrust lawsuits and bad monopolization practices.

              They were passing thee DRM in "advancement clothing", they don't "know something", they had nothing to tell us because people saw through it.

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              • RJTurneR
                MVP
                • Aug 2010
                • 2183

                #4537
                Re: Xbox One

                That's not competition. Microsoft and Sony would still be the only ones allowed to put prices on things.
                Fair enough, but again now we could go back to the consumer, which actually takes me on to somewhat of an interesting prospect.

                SteamBox.

                From the details I've read, there will be various models of the SteamBox (Each providing more power/punch), and are obviously aimed at two different markets. The current PC market, and the console/living room market.

                Now let's say if this SteamBox enters in at.. £400-£500. It offers everything digitally and cheaper. It's easy to setup at both a desk and also on your TV stand, and is designed with both controller and KB&M in mind. It has the potential to spark a change.

                If that lures consumers away from an expensive future were only Sony and MS control the prices, and into a digital, cheap, but effective world of small, almost hybrid like PC gaming, then MS/Sony will begin to lose out.

                You have too much faith in a company that has a full history of antitrust lawsuits and bad monopolization practices.
                For the record, I have owned a Playstation my whole life. I had an for two years Xbox.. Barely played it, didn't particularly enjoy my time with it. I have time after time slammed MS for products like Vista and Windows 8, among other things.

                Faith? Far from it.

                Edit: For the record again, in no way am I saying the SteamBox will actually have such success, to be honest it won't, but right now we're predicting an unpredictable landscape.. So why not have fun with it?
                Last edited by RJTurneR; 06-19-2013, 08:33 PM.

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                • EnigmaNemesis
                  Animal Liberation
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 12216

                  #4538
                  You don't need to justify your ownership history to me. That is irrelevant to my comment.

                  They had nothing to say about it, because all it was, was DRM for control.

                  There is nothing revolutionary or advancing about DRM. They know it, otherwise they would have stuck with it.

                  They know they cannot fool gamers. I just wish other groups in life can make a change just as gamers just did.

                  Last edited by EnigmaNemesis; 06-19-2013, 08:40 PM.
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                  • ubernoob
                    ****
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 15522

                    #4539
                    Originally posted by RJTurneR
                    Fair enough, but again now we could go back to the consumer, which actually takes me on to somewhat of an interesting prospect.

                    SteamBox.

                    From the details I've read, there will be various models of the SteamBox (Each providing more power/punch), and are obviously aimed at two different markets. The current PC market, and the console/living room market.

                    Now let's say if this SteamBox enters in at.. £400-£500. It offers everything digitally and cheaper. It's easy to setup at both a desk and also on your TV stand, and is designed with both controller and KB&M in mind. It has the potential to spark a change.

                    If that lures consumers away from an expensive future were only Sony and MS control the prices, and into a digital, cheap, but effective world of small, almost hybrid like PC gaming, then MS/Sony will begin to lose out.
                    They will begin to lose out.

                    If they drop their prices, it will be out of necessity and will apply across the board to both digital and physical prices. Them going or not going digital will have zero bearing on them dropping prices. It's either do that or give up on the console market.

                    Still doesn't change the fact that they alone are the only ones dictating the prices on their marketplace. Again on PC sales are driven by direct competition (steam, GMG, gog, etc are literally all the same thing.). If you want an XBox game, who do you have to go to? MS. If you want a PS game, who do you have to go to? Sony.

                    If you want a PC game, who do you have to go to? Nobody, there are 5+ options all vying for your Almighty dollar.
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                    • Ky3217
                      Pro
                      • Jun 2012
                      • 699

                      #4540
                      Re: Xbox One

                      Originally posted by Kevin26385
                      The Xbox One Just Got Way Worse, And It's Our Fault
                      Microsoft just announced that its much-maligned DRM policies won't look at all like they originally had originally been described. They're going to more


                      Great article
                      "The DRM Boogey Man Is So Last Decade"

                      Im pretty sure SimCity happened only a few months ago
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                      • EnigmaNemesis
                        Animal Liberation
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 12216

                        #4541
                        Originally posted by Ky3217
                        "The DRM Boogey Man Is So Last Decade"

                        Im pretty sure SimCity happened only a few months ago
                        They must be getting some heavy XBox advertising revenue.
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                        • RJTurneR
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 2183

                          #4542
                          Re: Xbox One

                          Your ownership history proves nothing. It is how and what you say in posts now.

                          They had nothing to say about it, because all it was, was DRM for control.

                          There is nothing revolutionary or advancing about DRM. They know it, otherwise they would have stuck with it.
                          Take my posts as you may but my faith has always and will continue to do so, hang by a string.

                          My posts have mainly been in regard to taking into account multiple factors that may or may not change how the landscape of gaming will look in and after the next decade. The future ain't here yet.. Why not have a little fun making it your own?

                          DRM isn't anything new, but who knows it could.. Or should I say could of been game changing down the line. We, as the consumers, know nothing on this regard. We predict the future as we see fit but we do not pull the strings or control the market.

                          What MS decided to do with DRM was a case of that, whether we like or not. As Sinister pointed out, this was not out of the goodness of their owns hearts but in the best interest of their bank accounts. If we don't like it now, for whatever reasons, if both Sony and MS wish to do the same down the line, then what? (Taking into account if we still don't like it). Change is good, in time.

                          Anyway, farewell gents, I just realised how late it was in the U.K.. Cheerio as we say.

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                          • MizzouBravesFan
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 2489

                            #4543
                            Re: Xbox One

                            I'm surprised they didn't announce a price drop as well...maybe it's still coming...that's the other big thing Sony had on them.
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                            • Super Glock
                              Pro
                              • Jul 2006
                              • 776

                              #4544
                              Re: Xbox One

                              Originally posted by Kevin26385
                              The Xbox One Just Got Way Worse, And It's Our Fault
                              Microsoft just announced that its much-maligned DRM policies won't look at all like they originally had originally been described. They're going to more


                              Great article
                              Wow great article and so very true!!!

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                              • Swamp Swagger
                                Gator Bait
                                • Sep 2012
                                • 3825

                                #4545
                                Just heard the news. That's what I was hoping for and I think I'm back on the Xbox train....

                                They must have known they screwed up at least a little. Not sure of the full detail I havnt looked into it yet so I should hold judgment

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