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  • headrulz101
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    • Jul 2004
    • 2045

    #1561
    Re: The Dark Knight Discussion

    Originally posted by Leon
    While you are hypothetically correct, to say that some no-name (or even big-name) actor would've been able to nail the Joker down with the very same script the way Heath Ledger did is wrong.

    Let's face it. Heath Ledger OWNS this character now. I think most, if not all, can agree that the Joker doesn't get any better than this.
    I gotta agree with that. When people talk about the Joker, Ledger's name will be the first to come to mind, then Nicholson, then Hamill (in the cartoon series). I thought Hamill had the best laugh though!
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    • MC Fatigue
      Banned
      • Feb 2006
      • 4150

      #1562
      Re: The Dark Knight Discussion

      Originally posted by USF11
      . To say that some no name actor couldnt of threw down the same performance with that script is crazy.
      How is it crazy, exactly?

      Reading a script and actually pouring your heart into a roll are two entirely different things.

      His characteristics and mannerisms are what made the role so unique and brilliant.

      You want to know what's crazy? Saying that any actor could have just come in and read the script and been as good. That's actually just downright disrespectful - to downplay such a brilliant and unique performance that is just pitiful.

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      • Blzer
        Resident film pundit
        • Mar 2004
        • 42517

        #1563
        Re: The Dark Knight Discussion

        Originally posted by Timmay
        How is it crazy, exactly?

        Reading a script and actually pouring your heart into a roll are two entirely different things.

        His characteristics and mannerisms are what made the role so unique and brilliant.

        You want to know what's crazy? Saying that any actor could have just come in and read the script and been as good. That's actually just downright disrespectful - to downplay such a brilliant and unique performance that is just pitiful.
        Exactly. I mean, I plan to be The Joker for Halloween this year, and aside from probably the faulty appearance I'll have, I won't nail the mannerisms in any way like Heath did. He wasn't just "reading lines" (except one scene when he was literally reading off a piece of paper), but it's the voice, the laugh, the inflection, the eye stares, the licking lips, the walk, the licking lips, the consistency, the believability, and most of all... the ability to do all of these things at once, and intangibly be the Joker.

        Granted, I do have the voice down, but that's just about it.
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        • CMH
          Making you famous
          • Oct 2002
          • 26203

          #1564
          Re: The Dark Knight Discussion

          Heth Ledger is the Joker. He puts Nicholson to shame. No one has given us the comic version of the Joker on screen the way Ledger did. It's more than just a shame for comic book fans that he can not do the role again.

          I wouldn't be surprised if actors in the future decline taking part in auditions for the role. Knowing that you have Ledger's performance to live up to? Nearly impossible to overcome and that actor will forever be compared to the man that did it best.
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          • Gamecock
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            • May 2008
            • 679

            #1565
            Re: The Dark Knight Discussion

            Ledger made the Joker actually seem like he was about to jump out of the screen and 'put a smile on that face.'

            Whenever the Joker was on the screen I was always interested into what would happen because you wouldn't of been able to expect what he was going to do. Especially the magic trick when he interrupted the mob meeting.

            Whenever he was off of the screen and Hale was on it, I wanted his part to get over just to see the Joker create even more mayhem.
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            • CMH
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              • Oct 2002
              • 26203

              #1566
              Re: The Dark Knight Discussion

              Originally posted by USF11
              I don't get it. Yes the character was absolutely fantastic - BUT this was the way the joker should have always been portrayed in movies. To say that some no name actor couldnt of threw down the same performance with that script is crazy.
              The thing is, other actors have tried and they didn't. So why all of a sudden would they now just because you saw Ledger do it?

              This is why Ledger's portrayal is amazing. He was the Joker. This is what people are saying. This is how Joker should have always been played. Yet, he never was. Ledger did it. No one else did. There's nothing crazy about that fact.
              "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

              "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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              • Bighoff
                The Bird is the word
                • Jul 2002
                • 5312

                #1567
                Re: The Dark Knight Discussion

                Just got back from seeing it. Good movie, great follow up to Batman Begins. While I liked Ledger as the Joker I just don't see why everyone makes such a fuss over the acting job he did. I'll put his acting job on par with Jack's but IMO it's not any better. Bale's deep Clint Eastwood like voice as Batman got on my nerves, I hope he tones it down a bit in the next movie. Overall a good movie that lived up to the hype.
                I've heard this "patience is a virtue" junk all my life. I'm happy to say I have no virtue, no scruples, and no desire to wait too long for anything. In my humble opinion instant gratification takes too long!

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                • Herky
                  Working for the weekend
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 4715

                  #1568
                  Re: The Dark Knight Discussion

                  Very good movie that didn't even seem like it was 2 1/2 hours. Ledger was outstanding as many have said on here. The disappearing pencil trick was classic by him.
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                  • trobinson97
                    Lie,cheat,steal,kill: Win
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 16366

                    #1569
                    Re: The Dark Knight Discussion

                    Originally posted by bighoff63
                    Just got back from seeing it. Good movie, great follow up to Batman Begins. While I liked Ledger as the Joker I just don't see why everyone makes such a fuss over the acting job he did. I'll put his acting job on par with Jack's but IMO it's not any better. Bale's deep Clint Eastwood like voice as Batman got on my nerves, I hope he tones it down a bit in the next movie. Overall a good movie that lived up to the hype.

                    Mmmm, you don't sound excited enough for this thread.
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                    • dossier
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 2272

                      #1570
                      Re: The Dark Knight Discussion

                      Originally posted by bighoff63
                      Just got back from seeing it. Good movie, great follow up to Batman Begins. While I liked Ledger as the Joker I just don't see why everyone makes such a fuss over the acting job he did. I'll put his acting job on par with Jack's but IMO it's not any better. Bale's deep Clint Eastwood like voice as Batman got on my nerves, I hope he tones it down a bit in the next movie. Overall a good movie that lived up to the hype.
                      How can you say that Ledger did alright and was as good as Nicholson?

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                      • trobinson97
                        Lie,cheat,steal,kill: Win
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 16366

                        #1571
                        Re: The Dark Knight Discussion

                        Now here we go, you have been called out for your rebelliousness. How dare you?
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                        • Kashanova
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 12695

                          #1572
                          Re: The Dark Knight Discussion

                          just saw on tv that the dark knight broke the record for a weekend that was held by spidey 3

                          Take that pared

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                          • GenoG
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                            • Jun 2003
                            • 1376

                            #1573
                            Re: The Dark Knight Discussion



                            d@mn !

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                            • bigfnjoe96
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 11410

                              #1574
                              Re: The Dark Knight Discussion

                              Originally posted by Kashanova
                              just saw on tv that the dark knight broke the record for a weekend that was held by spidey 3

                              Take that pared

                              Not just that, but it broke the single day sales record on Day-1. It made 66.5 Million

                              BTW this movie was simply AMAZING & as soon as I can will see this in IMAX

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                              • Beantown
                                #DoYourJob
                                • Feb 2005
                                • 31523

                                #1575
                                Re: The Dark Knight Discussion

                                and that's still with about...7 hours worth of showings left across the country?

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