Fringe anyone?

[Burns11]

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Personally, after all my trepidation going in, this season is shaping up as a favorite, this second half especially, and I attribute much of that to abandoning the fully contained creature of the week.

[p_rushing]

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Its getting a little crazy. It will probably make sense after we learn what is going on, but right now it is confusing.

[CMH]

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I'm liking the return to the villain of the week format. It's a nice little break from the information overload.

It all makes sense, but I'd be lying if I didn't have to use commercial breaks to think it through at times and ask: "Okay, so which Olivia is that again?"

The whole concept of different timelines also brings up something interesting to me. In this alternate timeline, Peter and Bolivia do not have a child. Yet, they do in the alternate dimension of the normal timeline.

So, not every person necessarily has a duplicate. I just found that interesting to consider.

[kehlis]

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I'm liking the return to the villain of the week format. It's a nice little break from the information overload.

It all makes sense, but I'd be lying if I didn't have to use commercial breaks to think it through at times and ask: "Okay, so which Olivia is that again?"

The whole concept of different timelines also brings up something interesting to me. In this alternate timeline, Peter and Bolivia do not have a child. Yet, they do in the alternate dimension of the normal timeline.

So, not every person necessarily has a duplicate. I just found that interesting to consider.

Yea I've been thoroughly confused.

My understanding was that there are still only two universes but simply that Peter was erased from one.

The timeline stuff doesn't really make sense to me and I have no doubt I'm missing something BUT most importantly, I'm still enjoying it.

[CMH]

Peter was erased and as a result it created an adjusted timeline. The adjustment was removing Peter. Or rather having him die as he was supposed to.

So Peter's goal is to return to the timeline that includes him. Because it has to exist if he exists.


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[Burns11]

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I think Peter is just mistaken, thinking he's in a 3rd&4th universe and completely unaware he was really just erased from the timeline.

[CMH]

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I think Peter is just mistaken, thinking he's in a 3rd&4th universe and completely unaware he was really just erased from the timeline.

I think it's semantics at this point, really.

The above is true just as much as it being an alternate timeline because for him it is. He saw a different timeline and now he's experiencing a unique one.

No matter how it plays out, whether he's reinserted into the timeline or simply teleported back to the timeline he was a part of, he'd have been a part of two world scenarios.

And then you just have to wonder (I doubt it'll ever be answered. How could it?) what was actually going on.

I'm sure we all know how this plays out. Peter will obviously return home (unless Fringe really goes against conventional story telling). What home is is irrelevant so long as he's there.

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I think Peter is just mistaken, thinking he's in a 3rd&4th universe and completely unaware he was really just erased from the timeline.

I agree with this. There should be no way for him to get back to a Blueverse timeline that is/was cognizant of his existence. The Amberverse he's in now would seem to be where he should be.

Unless of course the machine can somehow restore his previous existence, which should, it would seem to me, then transform Amberverse back into Blueverse.

I make someone's head hurt the other day when I was explaining all this stuff to them, lol.

[CMH]

That's probably what the machine will do.

Peter will be reinserted and things will return to normal.

Like I said its just semantics. Peter explains it as a new timeline but it's really just about being reinserted. It creates the same effect.




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[Cabke]

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But what about how they didn't know what Observers were or how David Jones had still clearly been cut in half and had learned how to regenerate himself? At first I thought that maybe with Peter gone, certain things that he had helped discover in the original timeline were not known because he was gone. But the effects he had on David Jones were still there, so it's not like things of his doing were completely gone. Thats what makes me think there really are 4 (or 3) separate dimensions.

[CMH]

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But what about how they didn't know what Observers were or how David Jones had still clearly been cut in half and had learned how to regenerate himself? At first I thought that maybe with Peter gone, certain things that he had helped discover in the original timeline were not known because he was gone. But the effects he had on David Jones were still there, so it's not like things of his doing were completely gone. Thats what makes me think there really are 4 (or 3) separate dimensions.

re David Jones: Jones lack of a response made it seem to me that he did not experience what Peter was talking about physically, but knew that Peter at least had knowledge of different timelines/dimensions. So for Jones, maybe he didn't experience it, but he realized another Jones had.

That's how I saw it at least.

re Observers: There was no reason for the Observers to reach out and be known by the Fringe team. The whole reason why the Observers are known in the original timeline is because September interfered and spoke to Walter. That started a domino effect.

In the corrected timeline, September never interferes so Walter does not know who they are and they have lived their existence unknown.

[Cabke]

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re David Jones: Jones lack of a response made it seem to me that he did not experience what Peter was talking about physically, but knew that Peter at least had knowledge of different timelines/dimensions. So for Jones, maybe he didn't experience it, but he realized another Jones had.

That's how I saw it at least.

re Observers: There was no reason for the Observers to reach out and be known by the Fringe team. The whole reason why the Observers are known in the original timeline is because September interfered and spoke to Walter. That started a domino effect.

In the corrected timeline, September never interferes so Walter does not know who they are and they have lived their existence unknown.

I'd buy that. Jeeze this show is so complicated. I hope that when this show ends they release a Lost-esque encyclopedia that explains a lot of stuff. My biggest fear is that this show is gonna be cancelled and they aren't gonna have time to explain everything we want to know.

[CMH]

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The executive producer said the season finale can work as a series finale. They have prepared for the possibility.

They've also said before that they could conceivably write an infinite number of seasons for Fringe because of its concept. Which I find believable.

I mean, at this point, is there anything new to learn about the show? I don't think there really is. We kind of have the info we need. Now it's mostly science fiction events and trying to resolve them.

[Cabke]

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The executive producer said the season finale can work as a series finale. They have prepared for the possibility.

They've also said before that they could conceivably write an infinite number of seasons for Fringe because of its concept. Which I find believable.

I mean, at this point, is there anything new to learn about the show? I don't think there really is. We kind of have the info we need. Now it's mostly science fiction events and trying to resolve them.

I guess there's just a lot of why's and how's for me. Like, I'd love to know more about the Observers and there roles in history. I'd like to know more about Walter and William Bell's relationship and more about the stuff they did in Jacksonville, etc. There's a lot I'd love to know, do I need to know any of it? No. I only need to know what happens/happened to Peter and how the timelines were effected. And I kind of really want/need to know if one of the universes ever does become extinct. In my opinion, there has to be another bad guy. In the past the bad guy was always Walternate. But now that he's working with the other universe, there has to be someone else. And if Walternate's motivation was to save his universe from extinction, what's this person's motivation?

Again, there's only one thing I need to know, what's up with Peter, but there's so much more I want to know.

[CMH]

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I guess there's just a lot of why's and how's for me. Like, I'd love to know more about the Observers and there roles in history. I'd like to know more about Walter and William Bell's relationship and more about the stuff they did in Jacksonville, etc. There's a lot I'd love to know, do I need to know any of it? No. I only need to know what happens/happened to Peter and how the timelines were effected. And I kind of really want/need to know if one of the universes ever does become extinct. In my opinion, there has to be another bad guy. In the past the bad guy was always Walternate. But now that he's working with the other universe, there has to be someone else. And if Walternate's motivation was to save his universe from extinction, what's this person's motivation?

Again, there's only one thing I need to know, what's up with Peter, but there's so much more I want to know.

Ah, I got you. Yeah, the history would be nice to know. Definitely would love to learn more about the Observers and William Bell and Walter's past together.

I know once upon a time there was a Fringe comic. Much like I thought with Lost, I think there's definitely an opportunity to continue the Fringe story in other forms of media whether it be novels or comics.