LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

[Blzer]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

The Panasonic is 600hz but they say it has the lowest input lag. You think this is the case, or would I just activate gaming mode on it to get it right?

Ah, I explain that common misconception in this thread.

The higher refresh rate will absolutely make a difference in gaming. Especially in meter based stuff like pitching in The Show or reloading a weapon in shooters. I also noticed a difference in Rock Band and had to recalibrate.

My old TV was 120hz and my new one is 600hz and it is like night and day.

The 120 Hz and 600 Hz technologies are actually not a comparison, but instead are two completely different technologies. Plasma still runs at 60 frames per second, so the 600 Hz is completely irrelevant to motion resolution. The "600" value is a product of its refresh rate and its number of subfields (10), all which produce that same frame ten times (once per subfield) with varying intensity to produce color gradations. The 120/240 Hz features on LCD's is specifically tied into refresh rate, and is an artificial interpolation at that.

That said, I still prefer plasma's inherent technology, as they do indeed seem to produce substantially less input lag, especially for gaming.

But yes, Game Mode is also another feature designed to shut off any other extra processing done on the television in order to reduce input lag as well.

[bigfnjoe96]

I really just want the best picture out of my ps3 for a good price.


BTW this is the TV I'm considering. Thoughts? Suggestions?
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN46A6...5179729&sr=1-1

You can do much better. That TV is almost 3 years old. If gaming is most important Sharp offers minimal input lag in their LCD TV's, as does Toshiba.

If Samsung is your choice the LND630 should be what you get. It's the best CCFL LCD on the market.



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[GAMEC0CK2002]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

I really just want the best picture out of my ps3 for a good price.


BTW this is the TV I'm considering. Thoughts? Suggestions?
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN46A6...=operasport-20

$811 shipped http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ATVPDKIKX0DER

[bigfnjoe96]

$811 shipped http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Great find GC. Couldn't link cause I'm on my phone.

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[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Thanks guys all this is new to me. Brand didn't really matter I just heard sony ,samsung, and sharp are best. Now I have a better idea what to look for. I'm considering that LN46D630

[Mr.Scarface]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Any 120hz set will cause input lag. You can turn off all the processing, you will still get lag. If you are primarily a gamer, it is best to go with a 60hz set.

As I posted before.
Right now at Best Buy, you can get an LG 42LK450 42'' 1080p 60hz LCD for now $459.99. It was $699 3 weeks ago. It was one the lowest input lags available. It is an IPS panel if you look on the product label and see something like this: 42LK450-UA CUSYLH. The key is the "Y". Which mean its an IPS panel. IF its a "D" or an "A" instead, then it's a VA panel. Just an FYI. LG must clearing out for the 2012 models in January. Make sure you get the IPS panel.

I bought one and it is great. Plenty of picture customization options. 4.4.4 subsampling makes it great for PC use.

[GAMEC0CK2002]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Thanks guys all this is new to me. Brand didn't really matter I just heard sony ,samsung, and sharp are best. Now I have a better idea what to look for. I'm considering that LN46D630

For $900 shipped: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN46D6...=operasport-20

the $80 price difference gets you: LED, 3D and built in wifi

(keep in mind the wifi dongle for the D630 would cost $50 by itself)


Mr. Scar: mars5541's primary complaint was picture quality (friend's tv looked a whole lot better). He already has a 1080p 60Hz set. The LG would simply be more of the same, IMO.

cnet review: http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...-34534535.html

[Mr.Scarface]

We don't know which panel CNET reviewed. LG 's Panel lottery can give you 2 different experiences. The IPS panel is better than the VA panel, hence the instructions on picking the IPS. LG has a nasty habit of using 2 different type of displays in the same TV as their production goes along.
*EDIT*...Just read that CNET review....definitely a VA panel they reviewed, especially when talking about viewing angles.

Just because something is 120hz...doesn't make it better. But yes...if you going to pay $1000-1200, I hope the picture is better.

If you are a gamer, you better take in account input lag...even with a Gamer Mode. I suggest u visit AVS Forum and look for the thread on your TV and the sticky on Input Lag. Especially with 120hz or above models, you need to research which one has the least input lag.

[Methlab]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Mr Scarface, what is your opinion on the Panasonic Plasmas? I have read everywhere that they are very low for input lag. But all this info gets confusing..any other plasmas in that price range (600-900) i should check out?

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

I'm not buying a whole new tv just because mine suck lol. I needed a new one anyway for another room.

I figured out my TV has very low lag. The problem is that my TV can't handle my ps3 with FULL RANGE RGB or whatever on. I have to switch it to limited. And it looks much more smooth and crisp. Its still very impressive for a cheap lcd (649)

So I probably want to spend around 600-850 for my next tv.
preferably a LED-LCD 34-45 inches. that can handle the FULL RANGE RGB.

[Blzer]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

I'm not buying a whole new tv just because mine suck lol. I needed a new one anyway for another room.

I figured out my TV has very low lag. The problem is that my TV can't handle my ps3 with FULL RANGE RGB or whatever on. I have to switch it to limited. And it looks much more smooth and crisp. Its still very impressive for a cheap lcd (649)

So I probably want to spend around 600-850 for my next tv.
preferably a LED-LCD 34-45 inches. that can handle the FULL RANGE RGB.

Do you know what Full Range RGB is? I'm not talking about its look, I'm merely speaking by definition.

If you did, you might want to know that, even if you had a Pioneer Kuro 9G, Full Range RGB is not something you'd necessarily be looking into for gaming, and especially not for watching movies. It's mostly used for PC purposes.

[Mr.Scarface]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Mr Scarface, what is your opinion on the Panasonic Plasmas? I have read everywhere that they are very low for input lag. But all this info gets confusing..any other plasmas in that price range (600-900) i should check out?

Plasma+Gaming+PC use=NO! I won't go near Plasmas because of burn-in. Yes, the new plasmas are better....but the burn in risk is STILL very high. For movies, Plasmas will have the best black levels and color.

[Blzer]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Plasma+Gaming+PC use=NO! I won't go near Plasmas because of burn-in. Yes, the new plasmas are better....but the burn in risk is STILL very high. For movies and TV watching, Plasmas will have the best black levels.

Unfortunately, I might be inclined to agree (for PC gaming only). I have a 2011 Samsung plasma that is IR-prone and burn-in-susceptible. I take necessary precautions (one thing for PC gaming on that thing would be to enable pixel-shifting), but there's a high risk for using them at the same time.

However, on that token, some plasma televisions are just immune to it for no reason whatsoever (I'm talking same make and model as ones that can have it as well). The best-case scenario, obviously, would be to get a plasma that doesn't get any of this. That way, you get lower input lag and great picture all in one.

I use my plasma for gaming, though... just not PC gaming. From personal experience, I've only noticed slight IR after seeing it with a complete green background, and it will be for, say, Call of Duty showing my ammunition locked at "60" or something. It's not too bad since I have pixel-shifting enabled. I just think that PC on the screen runs too many risks with the sharp images and contrasting white/black areas all around with icons and stuff. I haven't used my PC on it myself, so I can't confirm or deny how bad it would be, but I have an LCD that I use for that very reason anyway (of course, it worse input lag).

[Methlab]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Plasma+Gaming+PC use=NO! I won't go near Plasmas because of burn-in. Yes, the new plasmas are better....but the burn in risk is STILL very high. For movies, Plasmas will have the best black levels and color.

I am hearing most console gamers are cool with plasma in this thread. i gotta figure this out..i am looking to buy this weekend

[Mr.Scarface]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

I am hearing most console gamers are cool with plasma in this thread. i gotta figure this out..i am looking to buy this weekend

Let me say this....u are playing russian roulette with your Plasma TV with gaming. Now, Supposedly.....Samsung is WORSE in-regards to image burning with Plasma. Panasonic is maybe the best, as the IR (image-retention) supposedly goes away most of the time. I would go with a Panasonic. Go to the AVS forum to find the best model.