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  • TripleCrown9
    Keep the Faith
    • May 2010
    • 23682

    #166
    Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

    Originally posted by TheShizNo1
    Do you guys really not take into consideration where the country was at the time a lot of these cheaters were made? I feel that's a huge part that gets glossed over.

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    Exactly. Mainstream comics began in 1937. It took 29 years for them to even create an African-American main character.
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    • Bullit
      Bacon is Better
      • Aug 2009
      • 5004

      #167
      Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

      Originally posted by TheShizNo1
      You brought out one point and just asked the same thing in multiple posts (insert x race with x character, how would you feel?)



      Dom you guys really not take into consideration where the country was at the time a lot of these cheaters were made? I feel that's a huge part that gets glossed over.

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      No I don't, honestly. I form my opinion on having read comics for over 40 years, owning a comic book store and enjoying the medium.

      So should we change all literature/media because of the time period it was set in no longer applies to the current world?
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      • TripleCrown9
        Keep the Faith
        • May 2010
        • 23682

        #168
        Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

        Originally posted by Bullit
        No I don't, honestly. I form my opinion on having read comics for over 40 years, owning a comic book store and enjoying the medium.

        So should we change all literature/media because of the time period it was set in no longer applies to the current world?
        Of course not, but we shouldn't lose our **** when/if it does change either.
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        • TheShizNo1
          Asst 2 the Comm Manager
          • Mar 2007
          • 26341

          #169
          Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

          Originally posted by Bullit
          No I don't, honestly. I form my opinion on having read comics for over 40 years, owning a comic book store and enjoying the medium.

          So should we change all literature/media because of the time period it was set in no longer applies to the current world?
          Wow. Y'all got it.

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          • Bullit
            Bacon is Better
            • Aug 2009
            • 5004

            #170
            Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

            Originally posted by TripleCrown9
            Of course not, but we shouldn't lose our **** when/if it does change either.
            I agree. I am not going to loose my "mind" if things like this change. But I am also not going to stop disagreeing with the choice when it happens.

            I love the Flash tv show. I think the young lady playing Iris is talented, absolutely beautiful and plays her character very well. But I did , honestly, disagree with the choice of changing the character.

            Now I do want to make one thing clear, at least from my point of view and from my own personal opinion. For me it is not a matter of race, it is a matter of change. It could have been an Asian, Martian or Indian and I would not have wanted the character to change.

            I understand where other opinions are coming from and I appreciate that, I really do. I just don't like having characters I grew up with reading or watching or whatever changing with, in my opinion only, very to little to no valid reason.

            I am sure whoever plays, whatever character will do so at the best of their ability. But I also don't want to be labled if I hate a movie. No I did not like the casting choices for the Fantastic Four. I hated the movie, it was horrible. But it wasn't because of the race of the characters. I was because the movie sucked and they couldn't act.

            So make characters anybody you want. I will still go see the movies and I might even enjoy them. But I can still not like casting decisions based on the simple fact that I don't like change.
            In Loving memory of my "Cricket" 1/2/96 - 11/19/2012

            My heart and soul hurt for your lost presence in my life.

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            • daflyboys
              Banned
              • May 2003
              • 18238

              #171
              Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

              Originally posted by kehlis
              Here you go:



              That's pretty crappy.


              You then went on to proclaim how you can't understand why others can't get that you have a differing opinion.

              Then you went and did the same thing in this thread. Hypocrisy at it's best.
              Apples and oranges and therefore not hypocrisy. In the other thread he made a proclamation that it was the BEST comic book movie of the year. My statement was in reference to a disagreement. Yes, I said it in a smarmy way, but the point was still the same (and I've seen others do it in a much more perverse manner, sometimes even with a meme). But I didn't besmirch the writer or disrespect HIM in any way.

              Here was an attempt to have a philosophical debate about what apparently the entire country (and for that matter possibly the world? dunno) is having as well. Sorry, don't live on the twittersphere or facebook world either. But I didn't disrespect anyone here in this debate. You still didn't show me where in this debate how I did so. Presenting a differing side of the debate is not disrespecting another.

              And since you paraphrased, let me be clear. What I said was "Some of you guys have a problem with differing opinions around here."

              I said no such thing in this thread and this debate and I still believe that quote. The hypocrisy comes in those who proclaim being open-minded or believe they are, until someone presents with an opposing viewpoint.
              Last edited by daflyboys; 08-21-2016, 08:19 PM.

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              • Candyman5
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                • Nov 2006
                • 14380

                #172
                Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

                This basically sums up hollywood:



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                • kehlis
                  Moderator
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 27738

                  #173
                  Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

                  Originally posted by daflyboys
                  Apples and oranges and therefore not hypocrisy. In the other thread he made a proclamation that it was the BEST comic book movie of the year. My statement was in reference to a disagreement. Yes, I said it in a smarmy way, but the point was still the same (and I've seen others do it in a much more perverse manner, sometimes even with a meme). But I didn't besmirch the writer or disrespect HIM in any way.

                  Here was an attempt to have a philosophical debate about what apparently the entire country (and for that matter possibly the world? dunno) is having as well. Sorry, don't live on the twittersphere or facebook world either. But I didn't disrespect anyone here in this debate. You still didn't show me where in this debate how I did so. Presenting a differing side of the debate is not disrespecting another.

                  And since you paraphrased, let me be clear. What I said was "Some of you guys have a problem with differing opinions around here."

                  I said no such thing in this thread and this debate and I still believe that quote. The hypocrisy comes in those who proclaim being open-minded or believe they are, until someone presents with an opposing viewpoint.
                  You asked for an example of you disrespecting others.

                  Saying "I couldn't read anything past this" is doing so. Not really sure where the confusion is there man.

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                  • mestevo
                    Gooney Goo Goo
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 19556

                    #174
                    Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

                    Originally posted by Bullit
                    I agree. I am not going to loose my "mind" if things like this change. But I am also not going to stop disagreeing with the choice when it happens.

                    I love the Flash tv show. I think the young lady playing Iris is talented, absolutely beautiful and plays her character very well. But I did , honestly, disagree with the choice of changing the character.

                    Now I do want to make one thing clear, at least from my point of view and from my own personal opinion. For me it is not a matter of race, it is a matter of change. It could have been an Asian, Martian or Indian and I would not have wanted the character to change.

                    I understand where other opinions are coming from and I appreciate that, I really do. I just don't like having characters I grew up with reading or watching or whatever changing with, in my opinion only, very to little to no valid reason.

                    I am sure whoever plays, whatever character will do so at the best of their ability. But I also don't want to be labled if I hate a movie. No I did not like the casting choices for the Fantastic Four. I hated the movie, it was horrible. But it wasn't because of the race of the characters. I was because the movie sucked and they couldn't act.

                    So make characters anybody you want. I will still go see the movies and I might even enjoy them. But I can still not like casting decisions based on the simple fact that I don't like change.
                    Good post, also sums up pretty well why I've stopped buying the comics anymore too.

                    Thanks mods for letting us have this discussion, I know it could have been kneecapped pretty swiftly a page or three back.

                    Originally posted by Candyman5
                    This basically sums up hollywood:



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                    Not just Hollywood, but the Marvel comics themselves for the last few years.

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                    • daflyboys
                      Banned
                      • May 2003
                      • 18238

                      #175
                      Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

                      Originally posted by kehlis
                      You asked for an example of you disrespecting others.

                      Saying "I couldn't read anything past this" is doing so. Not really sure where the confusion is there man.

                      Well, apparently, this would be a situation where I'm supposed to agree to disagree.

                      You gentlemen have a good evening.

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                      • Speedy
                        #Ace
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 16143

                        #176
                        Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

                        My $.02...I don't see the uproar here.

                        It's a comic book movie that literally will last 2 HRs and be done. If Capt. America was a white guy, black guy, hispanic guy...Halle Barry was Catwoman a few years back while the comics always had a white lady (although, not the best of examples as it was a terrible movie)...as long as it's an entertaining movie I'll watch.

                        It is is fun to watch series like Flash, Arrow, etc. incorporate years of comics into their shows but I don't mind if they create new characters or change up somebody to fit their show, which differs from the comics. It's fiction. I think they can take all the liberties they want to and if I don't want to watch it, I don't have to.
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                        It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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                        • TripleCrown9
                          Keep the Faith
                          • May 2010
                          • 23682

                          #177
                          Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

                          Originally posted by Speedy
                          My $.02...I don't see the uproar here.

                          It's a comic book movie that literally will last 2 HRs and be done. If Capt. America was a white guy, black guy, hispanic guy...Halle Barry was Catwoman a few years back while the comics always had a white lady (although, not the best of examples as it was a terrible movie)...as long as it's an entertaining movie I'll watch.

                          It is is fun to watch series like Flash, Arrow, etc. incorporate years of comics into their shows but I don't mind if they create new characters or change up somebody to fit their show, which differs from the comics. It's fiction. I think they can take all the liberties they want to and if I don't want to watch it, I don't have to.
                          There it is, nailed it.
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                          • kehlis
                            Moderator
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 27738

                            #178
                            Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

                            Originally posted by daflyboys
                            Well, apparently, this would be a situation where I'm supposed to agree to disagree.

                            You gentlemen have a good evening.
                            What a cop out.

                            I have a lot of respect for you man but you made some crappy statements and then come back with this?

                            You asked me where you disrespected someone and I showed you.

                            If you can't own up to it that says a lot.
                            Last edited by kehlis; 08-21-2016, 09:12 PM.

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                            • Fresh Tendrils
                              Strike Hard and Fade Away
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 36131

                              #179
                              Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

                              To say it matters or doesn't matter 100% one way or the other is off the mark to me.

                              There are characters where their race is integral to the mythos and their identity. Some of them have already been brought up. Changing Storm's or Black Panther's race would basically create entirely different characters from what has been established in their histories.

                              Yet, on the other side, there are a myriad of characters where neither their race, hair or eye color, or really any part of their physical appearance plays an integral role in the character's identity. Mary Jane, much like Johnny Storm, is an example of that. Going outside of comics for a second you could also include James Bond and the push for Idris Elba to get the part. If the best we can do is Kirsten Dunst then I don't see why anybody would have a problem casting a wider net to find a better actress.

                              If your whole basis of bitching is because the movie version differs in hair or skin color than the comic book version then maybe you're not as nuanced as you think. Assigning blame to this Hollywood PC garbage argument makes it clearer.



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                              • ubernoob
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                                • Jul 2004
                                • 15522

                                #180
                                Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

                                Sweet so when a new superhero doesn't catch on you can just point fingers that nobody wanted that character so it was useless.

                                But when a character change succeeds you'll just bitch saying it's because it's an established character and has nothing to do with the race. Always trying to have it both ways.

                                It's the stories, not the color of the skin that moves comics. If you buy them because the character is white instead of yellow, black, brown, green, purple or anything in between I think there may be other issues at play.
                                Last edited by ubernoob; 08-21-2016, 10:28 PM.
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