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At close range, those bullets could still kill you. Look at how much it hurt William when he was shot. They will leave a mark. Something like that being fired straight at your temple in close range is likely not safe and that's probably why Teddy couldn't pull the trigger."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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Great ending.
lol.... SW.
I'd be happy if they just left it at this, no season 2.
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There will obviously be a season 2 but I agree, if this was one and done, I'd be happy with this concluding as it did.
I like the speculation it creates as well.
The look on William's face was so worth it. I really like how we watched him turn. When he gets shot at the end, there is real sadistic pleasure in that face.
Also something I want to share but I need to find an image of it first.Last edited by CMH; 12-05-2016, 06:24 AM."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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"...a simple hand shake would give them away."
Outside of the wild theories that will come out of that peculiar looking handshake by Dr. Ford, this image also perfectly captures the Michaelangelo painting Ford showed Dolores as Bernard stood by watching.
God handing the reins over to His creation."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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is this worth getting into??
Thinking about watching this on HBOgo.
I love movies like memento, vanilla sky, etc.
Its similar to that???Comment
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Great finale!
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I'm going to comment on all of this because I love this show and I'm happy there's someone here that seems to be enjoying it as much as I do.
I think we are to assume that it is indeed Ford as part of his new narrative.- I'm assuming that the person that was controlling Maeve is Ford? Or could there be another mind behind the scenes pulling the strings?
If it's Ford, it explains why he didn't flinch when he saw Bernard back online. He would have programmed Maeve to fix him.
The moment that really hits hard that I think the show did a poor job of really emphasizing is Maeve's directive when she steps on the train. If you can find a screenshot, it says that once she gets off the train, her job is to infiltrate the outside world.
But as part of Ford's narrative, he has given the hosts complete free will. So Maeve stepping off the train is her exhibiting it fully for the first time.
I think this will be a thing for a while but I'm going to side with Felix is a human. There's too much of Maeve trying to tell him he's a human that makes me believe the writers were really trying to knock us on the head to make sure we really get it.- I'm also not convinced the Asian tech isn't a Host either. Despite Maeve saying he wasn't one of them, Hosts are still programmed to only see what they want to see.
This is probably nothing to even concern myself about because it probably doesn't mean much in the end.
I do love his robot though. Hilarious moment.
Felix hands Maeve a note telling her where her daughter is. That note specifically states she's in Park 1 which would indicate there's more than one park. Obviously, we know there's a Samurai World, though we don't know if it's in production or fully running.- Samurai World. Does this mean that S2 is going to feature other themes of the park?
Was the goal to create several types of races in a grand scheme to have Hosts dominate every culture and race?
- And along with the above, could S2 feature a whole new part of the park, with new characters, etc? I doubt it. And I hope not.
I don't know if more parks will be part of the main story, but I wouldn't be surprised if their existence plays a part in the robot revolution.
The writing on this show has been really good even when it seems it's not. When Evan Rachel Wood, Jimmi Simpson and Jeffrey Wright made comments about everything being out there since the early episodes, they really meant it. I'm sure some things have been forgotten over the span of two months.- CMH, thank-you for putting that together. I never realized that Ford's end-game could be that he wanted to hand over control to his creation.
What confuses me though, is why? Why now? It seems like he was dead-set against allowing these Hosts to have free-will and now he's going to unleash them?
Early in the season Ford makes a comment to Bernard (I believe) that the humans that visit the park did not take the hosts and the point of building such a luxurious place seriously. Instead of engaging in the dynamics of the storylines, humans wanted to **** and kill everything on sight.
Was hard to notice it then because Ford had been such a conniving fellow throughout the series, but that told us everything we needed to know about Ford.
He hated that humans ruined everything he and Arnold had hoped for Westworld.
So the series weaved this intricate misleading story that led us to think that Ford and Arnold were rivals. They were actually merely in disagreement. But what's important is that Ford has known for a while that Arnold was right. It's why he started the narrative.
Arnold felt Westworld was a place for the hosts. And he felt the hosts were a much better species than the humans. Even Ford comments over and over and over again to Bernard that he shouldn't trust humans, humans kill everything, humans lie, humans are simply terrible terrible creatures.
This narrative was Ford acknowledging Arnold's belief. The disagreement however was in how quickly Arnold wanted to push the hosts. He didn't want to open the park. He wanted hosts to be the dominant species immediately. Ford, however, knew it wouldn't be that easy. If the hosts were viewed as targets early in their inception, they would be destroyed by humans.
So Ford used Arnold's reveries and created a new layer of the pyramid: suffering. He says this in the final episode to Bernard when telling him why he gave him the memory of his son dying. While Arnold thought it was the bicameral mind, Ford knew that suffering is what would drive the hosts to becoming sentient. And he knew that the suffering would give them every reason to hate humans.
Everything Ford did, everything he said was to drive home the point. He told Dolores he wasn't her friend because he didn't want her thinking she should be friends with humans. He reminded Bernard constantly not to trust humans. He allowed humans to rape and slaughter because he knew that the hosts would remember every detail.
It simply took him 35 years, as he said, to see it was time for the new narrative: a robot revolution.
I think in the beginning Ford got lucky. He saw what happened to William and knew that without Dolores Westworld would have been closed. But William says he kept coming back to the park and falling further away from feeling anything for her. He knew she was just another piece of code, another storyline. His interest for her faded over the years. He says as much to her before they fight and he stabs her.- This may be obvious to everyone else, but it seems that Ford was using Dolores the entire time to fall in love with William so he'd invest so much in the park and keep funding it. WW was going to be scrapped, but with William obsessed with unlocking it's secrets, they now had a rich contributor to make sure it continues to operate.
William kept the park open because he felt that Arnold had something better in his pocket and William wanted to find out what it was. So he put up with the crap in search of whatever it was. Eventually he stumbled on the maze and over time he figured out that Wyatt would be the answer to the maze. Unfortunately, he also discovered that the maze was just another boring game. In the end, the hosts still just did whatever they were told and William would be bored forever.
Except, Ford knew what William always wanted. And the new narrative was that very thing. William getting shot was Ford's tip of the hat to him. William smiling was him happy to see that finally the hosts were real.
I like this theory. It's why I put up that picture of the hand shake. If you didn't notice the first time, Ford extends his hand in a weird way. Is that how Ford shakes hands, or is it an earlier nod to how you could tell the hosts weren't real early on from a simple hand shake? Questions.- I have a theory that the Ford that was shot was actually his Host version. He's probably still in the cottage playing Puppet Master.
I think Stubbs is alive. I think Elsie is alive. I'm sure we'll find out in Season 2.- What happened to the Security guy? Will William die?
William is alive. I don't think the hosts were going to kill him. If anything, it's more possible they'll live him be so he can witness what he always wanted: robot's fighting back.
Yeah, this was a true Walter White from chemistry professor to druglord. I've seen complaints that the turn happened too quickly, but I disagree. I think they had to show us how much the park really changed him.- And boy did William take a dark turn. Went from a sweet guy who wouldn't cheat on his fiance to raping and beating his 'true love'.
Did he become bitter when he realized that Dolores was simply 'playing a part'?
It's going to be such a looooong wait...ugh- Season 2 needs to happen now.Last edited by CMH; 12-05-2016, 10:55 AM."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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CMH you should blog about the shows you watch. I always enjoy reading your posts and having a better understanding of what's happening.
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Loved the finale. Going to watch the entire season again soon to see what I missed!
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Haha. To be fair, I read a lot about the shows I really like.
With Westworld, I listened to two podcasts and read a lot of theories and articles. I had to read a lot of crap theories before settling on the ones I thought made the most sense.
i.e. Bernard being Arnold; Dolores being Wyatt, MiB being William.
From there, I just considered the ones that made sense and looked for instances that either proved or disproved them.
I tried to be very careful about sharing some info too soon with guys here because I was told by a friend once that I ruined Dexter Season 6 for him when I shared Pared's theory from episode 1. It made absolute sense and my friend said he watched the rest of the season only noticing how obvious the twist was. By the time it was proven, he was past it.
I didn't want anyone here to watch the scenes of William and Dolores and constantly think: "He can't be MiB!" "Omg, he's MiB!" Of course, by the time it was revealed here as a theory, it had already spread across the internet like wildfire.
But if I can at least offer some insight on some things I'm glad to do it. I will be the first to admit that I don't catch all of these things on my own."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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Completely agree.
CMH picks up on so many things that it's nice to have someone at OS to help fill me in.
Embarrassing to admit, but last night, at about 10PM, I started nodding off.
It's not the show. I LOVE this show. It's that I have 3 kids who have had issues sleeping lately and therefore I haven't slept lately.
So CMH, thanks for filling me in on all those little nuances.
BTW, totally agree about Felix' robot impersonation. So awesome.
I'm also hoping my theory about Host Ford is correct. Anthony Hopkins is amazing and I'd hate to have him leave the show.
All of the actors on this program have been fantastic. As always, HBO does a remarkable job of making sure every component of a show is filled with the proper talent.
If only AMC did the same (yes, that's a shot at The Walking Dead).Comment
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I couldn't have dreamed when this show was announced that it would end up being so good. But I guess when you get Anthony Hopkins, Jeffrey Wright, and Ed Harris to come aboard that should clue you in that the script they read must have really blown them away.
There are two shows that are coming out in 2017, that are based on two of my favorite books, Altered Carbon and American Gods . I can only hope that they approach this level of quality.Jordan Mychal Lemos
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Do this today: Instead of $%*#!@& on a game you're not going to play or movie you're not going to watch, say something good about a piece of media you're excited about.
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Charlie has a nice recap, though I think the ones above are probably better.
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My god i hope Altered Carbon lives up to even half of what the books were.
onto this episode. My it was glorious when its revealed the Maeve escape plan was just a ruse just to get the deactivated hosts out of storage...and with it all the tech in the head of the one host. Hell, he even foreshadowed he was going to do it.
And second. Armistice was my favorite thing in the whole episode. From the kiss on the glass to the giggle of glee when she first shoots the P90 to the post credit scene. I already liked her as it is, but that was just awesome. She also had the best line of the night.
The payoff in this ep of all the setup this season was great.HELLO BROOKYLN.
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