ESPN Cleaning House

[JayhawkerStL]

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My dad gave me a copy of an Bill James Baseball Abstract as a surprise gift in 1980 or 1981. I won't say it changed how I looked at sports and baseball, since I was already a Strat player. But it really revealed how much we can learn from stats, and how to distinguish from reliable information from noise.

Joe Morgan is an abomination. He claimed OBP was overrated for leadoff hitters. Speed was the only thing he cared about, as though that speed worked if you didn't get on base.

I think some fans just get confused about what stats are for. If I'm a GM, Wins and RBIs mean nothing to me when evaluating players. I want information that tells me how to predict what they will do on my team, in my stadium, in my division.

But many times fans are discussing what happened. I think Wins and RBIs are perfectly fine for Hall of Fame and MVP discussions. We're not predicting, we are now telling their story. Those Wins and RBIs indicate a big role in the story of a team's season.

Of course, I mostly don't care about MVP, CY Young, and HoF selections. It has no effect on anything, kind of like the Oscars and Grammys have nothing to do with the movies and music I like. It's just a bunch of people voting.




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[DJ]

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https://www.si.com/tech-media/2017/05/22/mike-greenberg-mike-golic-relationship-espn-radio

According to this article, the off-camera relationship between Mike & Mike is not good.

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ESPN Cleaning House

https://www.si.com/tech-media/2017/0...hip-espn-radio



According to this article, the off-camera relationship between Mike & Mike is not good.

Yikes, I'm surprised the show made it this long with how tense things seem to be. I had no clue they were even on bad terms.


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[TheShizNo1]

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So this is a KD/RWB situation?

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[kehlis]

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I like Golic more than Greenie but it sounds like Golic just got a little jealous over his partner getting/wanting something new.

[TheShizNo1]

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I'll take Greeny over Golic. Golic is a little too ex-macho jock for me.

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[WDOgF0reL1fe]

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Greeny was always a prick in person while Golic was always super nice.

Greeny would always show up about 10 minutes before Mike and Mike started, while Golic would be there about 30-40 minutes before the show and would be very personable and respectful.

I can definitely confirm that they would never talk during breaks of the show. Before and after they would though, discussing where they would go with topics, but never about stuff outside of the show at hand.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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So this is a KD/RWB situation?

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That's what I took from it as well.

From reading that, it sounds like he was bothered by Greenberg not giving him a heads up about wanting to pursue a new opportunity and had to hear about it from other sources.

I get the argument from both sides in that Greenberg isn't obligated to tell him anything but I would think after 18 years of working together, he could at least give him that heads up personally.

I remember hearing about him getting his own show when it was first announced and my first thought was "Why are they announcing this so soon if it's not scheduled to start til 2018?"


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[TheShizNo1]

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Greeny was always a prick in person while Golic was always super nice.

Greeny would always show up about 10 minutes before Mike and Mike started, while Golic would be there about 30-40 minutes before the show and would be very personable and respectful.

I can definitely confirm that they would never talk during breaks of the show. Before and after they would though, discussing where they would go with topics, but never about stuff outside of the show at hand.

Man, really? I really wanted to believe Greeny was a cool down to earth dude.

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[kehlis]

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Greeny was always a prick in person while Golic was always super nice.

Greeny would always show up about 10 minutes before Mike and Mike started, while Golic would be there about 30-40 minutes before the show and would be very personable and respectful.

I can definitely confirm that they would never talk during breaks of the show. Before and after they would though, discussing where they would go with topics, but never about stuff outside of the show at hand.

Did this start before Greeny wanted to move on or after that became known?

(if you can say)

[WDOgF0reL1fe]

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Did this start before Greeny wanted to move on or after that became known?

(if you can say)

Before, I met them back in 2012 and worked on the show (although very rarely) starting in 2013.

Plus, there was always gossip about how he was off camera anyway from friends and coworkers I knew

[HealyMonster]

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I'll take Greeny over Golic. Golic is a little too ex-macho jock for me.

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its funny, I dislike Greeney and Like Golic for that same reason. Greeney is just too much weakling/beta for me man. He should like be on the view talking about drapes or skin care or something.

[SPTO]

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It's interesting how Mike & Mike didn't have a good relationship. It seems sometimes the best radio comes from having two people who can't stand each other. Wasn't this the same kind of situation that happened with Mike Francesca and Chris "Mad Dog" Russo?

[Speedy]

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I like Trey Wingo...I wonder how this pairing will go.

[kehlis]

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It's interesting how Mike & Mike didn't have a good relationship. It seems sometimes the best radio comes from having two people who can't stand each other. Wasn't this the same kind of situation that happened with Mike Francesca and Chris "Mad Dog" Russo?

Yes.

Here's the first paragraph from the story linked above:

Off-camera tension between media personalities who work together is hardly a new phenomenon. In one of the more famous examples, Mike Francesa and Chris Russo, who partnered on an immensely popular and polarizing show (Mike And The Mag Dog) on WFAN-AM Radio in New York from 1989 to 2008, went through multiple three-month stretches during which neither spoke to the other off the air. Away from sports, television morning shows have a long history of on-air love and off-camera animus, from Ann Curry and Matt Lauer on Today to Michael Strahan and Kelly Ripa on ABC’s Live, where friction first led to the end of their pairing and then to a string of tabloid covers.