Avengers: End Game

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Who’s Hulk?

[King_B_Mack]

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Expected to cross $2b globally today.

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It's amazing how this movie is performing. Going into today here's the top 10 movies at the All-Time Worldwide box office. I think just Tuesday or Wednesday I looked at the standings and Endgame wasn't even in the top 8 yet and it's already looking like it's going to be in the top 3 by the end of today.

1) Avatar $2,776,345,279
2) Titanic $2,208,208,395
3) Star Wars Ep. VII: The Force Awakens $2,053,311,220
4) Avengers: Infinity War $2,048,134,200
5) Avengers: Endgame $1,914,531,638
6) Jurassic World $1,648,854,864
7) Furious 7 $1,518,722,794
8) Marvel's The Avengers $1,517,935,897
9) Avengers: Age of Ultron $1,403,013,963
10) Black Panther $1,348,258,224

Even how it's shooting up the All-Time domestic ranks is nuts.

1) Star Wars Ep. VII: The Force Awakens $936,662,225
2) Avatar $760,507,625
3) Black Panther $700,059,566
4) Avengers: Infinity War $678,815,482
5) Titanic $659,363,944
6) Jurassic World $652,270,625
7) Marvel's The Avengers $623,279,547
8) Star Wars Ep. VIII: The Last Jedi $620,181,382
9) The Incredibles 2 $608,581,744
10) The Dark Knight $533,720,947
11) Rogue One: A Star Wars Story $532,177,324
12) Avengers: Endgame $514,531,638

It's been ripping up the domestic charts and should be passing up Rogue One and Dark Knight this weekend for sure.

[Jr.]

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Been having this debate for my comic experts out there...

If Hulk and Marvel got into an all out fight, who wins?

Thanos handled Hulk, and Capt Marvel handled Thanos.

So using the transitive property...

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[TMagic]

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Thanos handled Hulk, and Capt Marvel handled Thanos.

So using the transitive property...

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How? Marvel got knocked out just like Hulk did. Lol

[TripleCrown9]

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Thanos handled Hulk, and Capt Marvel handled Thanos.

So using the transitive property...

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I'd say it was Wanda that was handling Thanos. Legit fear in his eyes when he was getting Scarlet Witched, and made Maw fire everything they had to get away from her.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Avengers: End Game

They brought everybody and their mama back and were still a few seconds from being snapped away again. [emoji42][emoji42]

[IlliniM1ke]

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They brought everybody and their mama back and we’re still a few seconds from being snapped away again. [emoji42][emoji42]

Considering it was a 1 in 14,000,605 shot at winning not surprising the one victory is one they barely achieved.

[Blzer]

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How? Marvel got knocked out just like Hulk did. Lol

Spoiler

Thanos only overcame Cap. Marvel by using the power stone on her. It was also a younger, fiestier version of Thanos than the one we see in IW. A slightly older Thanos overtook the Hulk with ease, and without bothering to use any infinity stones on him either.

I don't see how you can't choose Captain Marvel here since she can also rip right through ****ing spaceships without so much as a break of sweat, but then again I don't know what kills either of them either.

EDIT: Hit the quote button on the wrong person the first time, lol.

[CaVsFaN2273]

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I don't know if this has been discussed, but what are your guys's thoughts on the ending with Cap staying in the past not fitting his character? I read an article talking about how it doesn't make sense with him knowing what will happen in the future of that timeline in terms of Bucky still being out there, Hydra, Thanos coming for the stones, etc. and he decides to live out his life with Peggy instead.

[Blzer]

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Based on some of the previous posts, it looks like we're going without spoiler tags hereon out. I suppose that I'll follow suit.

I don't know if this has been discussed, but what are your guys's thoughts on the ending with Cap staying in the past not fitting his character? I read an article talking about how it doesn't make sense with him knowing what will happen in the future of that timeline in terms of Bucky still being out there, Hydra, Thanos coming for the stones, etc. and he decides to live out his life with Peggy instead.

Well, here is where the movie kind of messes itself up, and this is why I believe my earlier question about this holds merit. The Steve Rogers that traveled to the past should not have been in our existing timeline. Clearly he didn't return on Professor Hulk's cue, so he would have had to find his own way to return.

Even if I am to believe that he found a way to do so off-screen, then he is not the Steve that we saw act as Cap throughout the years. That means these things already happened, and there's nothing he should feel guilty about. This is also true in the timeline that he warped to; there is already a Steve Rogers acting as Cap during that time (or frozen over, whichever way you put it). All he did was steal away Peggy Carter from some other poor sap for a lifetime, if not just a single dance. Anyway, there was still a Cap in both timelines, and since he wasn't frozen over he would be too old at that point even if he wanted to double-up the Cap-action (plus it probably would have altered the course of that future).

I don't know where you got that article from, but whoever brought it up introduced a paradoxical event in his own question. Are we to infer that he believes there is only one Steve in whichever timeline/time point that the was transported to, and that after living out a 'normal life' the Avengers still find themselves in a post-IM-snap environment? If everything went as proposed, Old Steve snuck over to the park bench, and probably just watched himself go back into the pas. This is also of course the contradiction the film presents itself, because they shouldn't be in the same timeline together (Old Steve should be an identical entity with the Steve that goes back in time).

[TripleCrown9]

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Yeah, personally I'm done overthinking the time travel aspects. It worked, the story wrapped up perfectly.

One thing I like that the Russos confirmed is that Bucky knew what Steve's plan was. Whether Steve told him off-screen, or he knew because that's what he would do in the same situation, it's just cool because he knew that's what Steve wanted so he didn't try to stop him.

[CaVsFaN2273]

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Based on some of the previous posts, it looks like we're going without spoiler tags hereon out. I suppose that I'll follow suit.



Well, here is where the movie kind of messes itself up, and this is why I believe my earlier question about this holds merit. The Steve Rogers that traveled to the past should not have been in our existing timeline. Clearly he didn't return on Professor Hulk's cue, so he would have had to find his own way to return.

Even if I am to believe that he found a way to do so off-screen, then he is not the Steve that we saw act as Cap throughout the years. That means these things already happened, and there's nothing he should feel guilty about. This is also true in the timeline that he warped to; there is already a Steve Rogers acting as Cap during that time (or frozen over, whichever way you put it). All he did was steal away Peggy Carter from some other poor sap for a lifetime, if not just a single dance. Anyway, there was still a Cap in both timelines, and since he wasn't frozen over he would be too old at that point even if he wanted to double-up the Cap-action (plus it probably would have altered the course of that future).

I don't know where you got that article from, but whoever brought it up introduced a paradoxical event in his own question. Are we to infer that he believes there is only one Steve in whichever timeline/time point that the was transported to, and that after living out a 'normal life' the Avengers still find themselves in a post-IM-snap environment? If everything went as proposed, Old Steve snuck over to the park bench, and probably just watched himself go back into the pas. This is also of course the contradiction the film presents itself, because they shouldn't be in the same timeline together (Old Steve should be an identical entity with the Steve that goes back in time).

This is the article I read if you want to take a look at it:

https://www.thewrap.com/avengers-endgame-that-final-captain-america-scene-doesnt-make-sense-time-loop-retirement-peggy-carter/

I think I'm just going to leave this one alone lol. I was perfectly fine with the ending and everything so I'm not going to overthink it and just go with it.

[Blzer]

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Yeah, personally I'm done overthinking the time travel aspects. It worked, the story wrapped up perfectly.

In all fairness to the movie, if creating a cohesive narrative meant altering or losing the lasting impact moments this move brought forth to close out this 22-film saga, then I say drill away and leave the holes in. The payoffs in this movie were far too grand to slip into a void just so I don't have to ask about the intricacies of their version of time-travel. I wouldn't want to see what this film would have been like if they couldn't deliver the way they could just so YouTube's CinemaSins would have less to poke at in a few months.

That being said, in all fairness to myself, I don't believe we should mistake "us overthinking" with "them underthinking." This was a $350 million budget film that spent long bits of the first hour explaining and testing its own version of timeline rules. That's not fair that we aren't allowed to discredit a film for falling on its own face, even though it's disguised by otherwise engaging characters and a fantastic closing. I still have more questions to bring up later, they appear legitimate, and they still do take away from the overall experience for me (compared to that of other films that find a way to combine airtight storytelling with compelling moments).

One thing I like that the Russos confirmed is that Bucky knew what Steve's plan was. Whether Steve told him off-screen, or he knew because that's what he would do in the same situation, it's just cool because he knew that's what Steve wanted so he didn't try to stop him.

That's cool to hear, and I didn't know that was a thing. Next time I see the film, I want to see how he reacts to things like that. I feel bad Bucky never got a chance to apologize to Tony, though.

I did think it was cool how BP was warmer toward Hawkeye during the final battle when he received the glove from him, at least much better than his "I don't care" moment in Civil War.

[Blzer]

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This is the article I read if you want to take a look at it:

https://www.thewrap.com/avengers-endgame-that-final-captain-america-scene-doesnt-make-sense-time-loop-retirement-peggy-carter/

I think I'm just going to leave this one alone lol. I was perfectly fine with the ending and everything so I'm not going to overthink it and just go with it.

Nevermind, that article is more in line with my thinking when it comes to timeline/time-travel logic. I guess the author was just more so thinking it would be wrong for any version of Steve to accept life to repeat the way it did regardless, thinking there could be a more positive outcome regardless of the timeline that he's in.

Now, a real legitimate question, which did not need to be addressed at all in this film (though may be saved for BP2, or at least in my opinion should be addressed) is what did Wakanda to for five years without T'Challa at the helm? Did they move on to T'Chama??

[CaVsFaN2273]

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Nevermind, that article is more in line with my thinking when it comes to timeline/time-travel logic. I guess the author was just more so thinking it would be wrong for any version of Steve to accept life to repeat the way it did regardless, thinking there could be a more positive outcome regardless of the timeline that he's in.

Now, a real legitimate question, which did not need to be addressed at all in this film (though may be saved for BP2, or at least in my opinion should be addressed) is what did Wakanda to for five years without T'Challa at the helm? Did they move on to T'Chama??

Didn't think about that. Hopefully they show it at least in the beginning or something, even if it's brief. That would definitely be interesting to see.