Official Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Discussion

[WTF]

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My biggest complaint about this game? It's eaten up way too much of my free time.

I don't even like RPG's, but as I was telling TCrouch on IM the other day, this is the best game I have ever played. I haven't been drawn in to a game and so engrossed in I can't remember how long.

I agree 100% BK... I'm the worlds biggest anti-RPG guy... I hate RPG's... but this game, I have already logged 52 hours of gameplay... and I'm more engrossed now, than I was a few days ago.

Every day that goes by, that's what I want to do, lol... I want to see what happens next. I want to get the Sigil Stones and upgrade my weapons.. I want to learn some new spells...

There are so many things to do, it's not even funny. I hope to be playing this game for a long time to come.

[WTF]

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LOL, I forgot to tell you all about the semi funny thing that happened last night.

Well, I went into a cave (into the ruins), and I left my horse outside. Well, apparently, I didn't kill something before going into the cave, because when I come out, my horse is falling over dead... He hits a rock, and it gets stuck in the "sitting" position. I just thought it was funny to see a horse look like it's sitting down, lol. I'll go back tonight and try to get a pic of it, if it's still there.

Word of advice, always make sure you've killed everything, or else don't leave your horse alone...

[ThaGenecyst]

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speaking of horses...



shadowmere is my best companion.

[ThaGenecyst]

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Anyone know if there's a way to get around the grand champion match against Gray Prince in the arena? It's stupid for him not to fight back at it count against me as a murder.

nope... he's the only grand champion lol.

[Victory]

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So dramatic...

I have a hard time believing that if you leveled up "wrong" you suddenly can't do "anything" in the game. You can always train your skills to get higher in level, even if they are skills that don't affect your overall level. So, if you know you need to be better at using a sword to kill something at level 25, you can go do random things and pay for training.

If people are cheating the system and leveling up quickly by using "athletics" as a major skill, simply to level up quickly, then too bad if you suddenly are getting killed. Otherwise, your character should be pretty balanced and good at at least 1 way of killing people by the time you've gotten to that high of a level.

I'm a level 9 Nord/Knight. I was getting killed by things at the lower levels that I can easily kill now, like bandits. Also, I can kill rats with one swing of my mace now, so it's not like rats are suddenly level 9 crazy rats.

It's not exactly the ideal scenario and I prefered Morrowind's approach, but this is not a game killer to me and the only people that this will effect are people that were leveling up in a way that didn't involve any kind of combat/magic, which would seem odd to me anyway. Like I said, if you're at level 30, you should have at least one good way of killing things. I don't see why anyone would need to start over.

This is the last I'm going to say on this as I don't want to sound like I'm beating a dead-horse. I'm enjoying this game. I personally am not going ballistic. But it did bother me when you guys started acting like the hard-core RPG guys over on Bathesda's official boards are crazy and can't say anything good about the game. The first response I made to that was "You mean like what we do with sports games?". While I definately prefer Morrowind's apporach of creating sections of the world that are tougher than others and actually allowing to player to get tougher with respect to the world itself it is NOT a game killer for me personally. But just step back and think about this in terms of how you would feel if you were a hard-core RPG player. The whole point of "role-playing" is to allow you to create a charachter whose goal could be primarily to make friends and money, or to steal and play like an outlaw or whatever. Only in the mind of someone approaching with and FPS mentality would doing this and going up levels be considered "cheating the system". Its just what you personally want your charachter to be good at. You might not even be concerned about going up levels. That's just how you want to play your person. But the problem is that you DO go up levels for doing that stuff if you designed you charater to be good at that when you created it.

The leveling system is usually at the heart of most RPGs (and like I said Morrowind is the only one I have ever owned). If they were worried about people "cheating the system" this game would do much better as an RPG if it didn't have leveling in it at all and just allowed to to choose what skills you wanted to be good at to start with then develop them at your own pace. Like I said I don't think that enchanting items, making potions, working on your business skills, or sneaking around and breaking into things is "cheating the system". Is all what separates "role-playing" from just killing things. I could see how going to the middle of town and taping down the "Y" button so your 360 controller so that your guy just jumps for hours while you go take a nap might be "cheating" but who really cares? How does this affect anyone else who "plays it right"? Why worry about it any more than you would the guy who likes to play NCAA on junior varsity. Yes, you can buy training and yes you can create a used-car salesman type of player by setting Speechcraft, Alchemy, Sneak, Security, Mercantile, Enchant.... as your minor skills and playing them up so that they are ahead of your fighting skills. But even in the opinion of this non-hardcore RPG gamer the fact that that is the best way to do it is just plain stupid.

Let me put it this way: If EA said that they couldn't fix the football defensive AI and were just going to solve the problem of deep bombs and runaway scores by having the defensive players actually get faster and stronger based on how many points the offense scored many of us would go absolutely nuts. The not-so-hardcore sports gamer might thing we are crazy for worrying about it. After all it works for keeping things evenly matched. But it wouldn't be what most of us are looking for at all.

That's my point. Since you MUST keep your "fighting skills" up with your "charisma skills" it isn't much as an RPG. That doesn't make it a bad game. If fact it is a very good game. Just look at the review scores its getting. I still contend though that its more of a "First Person Slasher" than an RPG. It most definately is not the game the guys who have been anticipating it the most thought that they were going to get. That's why they are going ballistic over there. Stop looking down on them when we do exactly the same thing with sports games.

[Jistic]

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Does anybody know if there is a 'screenshot' key in the PC version?

[fishepa]

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My biggest complaint about this game? It's eaten up way too much of my free time.

I don't even like RPG's, but as I was telling TCrouch on IM the other day, this is the best game I have ever played. I haven't been drawn in to a game and so engrossed in I can't remember how long.

Totally agree. It's to the point now where my wife is actually starting to get upset.

[Jistic]

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Totally agree. It's to the point now where my wife is actually starting to get upset.

My wife only gets upset when I'm hogging the game and she wants to play.

[fishepa]

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My wife only gets upset when I'm hogging the game and she wants to play.

You're a very lucky man, my wife hates videogames with a passion.

[born_bad]

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This is the last I'm going to say on this as I don't want to sound like I'm beating a dead-horse. I'm enjoying this game. I personally am not going ballistic. But it did bother me when you guys started acting like the hard-core RPG guys over on Bathesda's official boards are crazy and can't say anything good about the game. The first response I made to that was "You mean like what we do with sports games?". While I definately prefer Morrowind's apporach of creating sections of the world that are tougher than others and actually allowing to player to get tougher with respect to the world itself it is NOT a game killer for me personally. But just step back and think about this in terms of how you would feel if you were a hard-core RPG player. The whole point of "role-playing" is to allow you to create a charachter whose goal could be primarily to make friends and money, or to steal and play like an outlaw or whatever. Only in the mind of someone approaching with and FPS mentality would doing this and going up levels be considered "cheating the system". Its just what you personally want your charachter to be good at. You might not even be concerned about going up levels. That's just how you want to play your person. But the problem is that you DO go up levels for doing that stuff if you designed you charater to be good at that when you created it.

The leveling system is usually at the heart of most RPGs (and like I said Morrowind is the only one I have ever owned). If they were worried about people "cheating the system" this game would do much better as an RPG if it didn't have leveling in it at all and just allowed to to choose what skills you wanted to be good at to start with then develop them at your own pace. Like I said I don't think that enchanting items, making potions, working on your business skills, or sneaking around and breaking into things is "cheating the system". Is all what separates "role-playing" from just killing things. I could see how going to the middle of town and taping down the "Y" button so your 360 controller so that your guy just jumps for hours while you go take a nap might be "cheating" but who really cares? How does this affect anyone else who "plays it right"? Why worry about it any more than you would the guy who likes to play NCAA on junior varsity. Yes, you can buy training and yes you can create a used-car salesman type of player by setting Speechcraft, Alchemy, Sneak, Security, Mercantile, Enchant.... as your minor skills and playing them up so that they are ahead of your fighting skills. But even in the opinion of this non-hardcore RPG gamer the fact that that is the best way to do it is just plain stupid.

Let me put it this way: If EA said that they couldn't fix the football defensive AI and were just going to solve the problem of deep bombs and runaway scores by having the defensive players actually get faster and stronger based on how many points the offense scored many of us would go absolutely nuts. The not-so-hardcore sports gamer might thing we are crazy for worrying about it. After all it works for keeping things evenly matched. But it wouldn't be what most of us are looking for at all.

That's my point. Since you MUST keep your "fighting skills" up with your "charisma skills" it isn't much as an RPG. That doesn't make it a bad game. If fact it is a very good game. Just look at the review scores its getting. I still contend though that its more of a "First Person Slasher" than an RPG. It most definately is not the game the guys who have been anticipating it the most thought that they were going to get. That's why they are going ballistic over there. Stop looking down on them when we do exactly the same thing with sports games.

I see what you're saying, but it's still illogical to complain about it, IMO.

Yes, you can create a character with major skills that have nothing to do with fighting. You can level up to level 30 that way and have no fighting skills whatsoever. You have the option of playing the game that way. The problem is, you have to know there are going to be situations where you, at the very least, have to defend yourself. So, why would you do that? You'd be making a conscious decision to make sure your character can not fight at all and then complain you can't kill anything at the higher levels.

To keep with your sports analogy, it would be like creating a heavyweight boxer, maxing out his speed and agility, keeping his power set very low, and then complaining that you can't knock any of the higher rated boxers out. It's not a perfect analogy, but it illustrates the point that you will suffer the consequences at some point of a game that you *know* requires some degree of fighting, especially if you want to complete the main quest, but you fail to develop any fighting skills. You do have the option of doing that, but don't do it and then complain you can't kill anything.

If you make the decision you want to play as a theif, with awesome speehcraft, security sneak, alchemy, maxed out speed and acrobatics, etc. with no fighting skills, go ahead, but realize you better avoid any kind of fight throughout the game. Your maxed out atheletic *** better run away from fights as fast as possible. That's not a game killer to me. That's realistic.


Edit: Also, you only level up when you increase your major skills. So, if you wanted to do all of those things you mentioned without leveling up, you can. My character is a Nord/Knight, so most of my major skills are combat related. If I want to play like you mentioned - making friends, sneaking around, etc. I can still do all of those things and eventually get really good at them *without* actually leveling up my character. You just start off not very good at them but you can become good at them by usiing them a lot or paying for training.

[Stu]

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Does anybody know if there is a 'screenshot' key in the PC version?

I saw an entry in the oblivion.ini that was enablescreenshots or something like that. I just use fraps though. It lets you take screenshots, videos and displays your frames per second on the screen. www.fraps.com

[bkrich83]

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You're a very lucky man, my wife hates videogames with a passion.

Same for me.

[Graphik]

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This is the last I'm going to say on this as I don't want to sound like I'm beating a dead-horse. I'm enjoying this game. I personally am not going ballistic. But it did bother me when you guys started acting like the hard-core RPG guys over on Bathesda's official boards are crazy and can't say anything good about the game. The first response I made to that was "You mean like what we do with sports games?". While I definately prefer Morrowind's apporach of creating sections of the world that are tougher than others and actually allowing to player to get tougher with respect to the world itself it is NOT a game killer for me personally. But just step back and think about this in terms of how you would feel if you were a hard-core RPG player. The whole point of "role-playing" is to allow you to create a charachter whose goal could be primarily to make friends and money, or to steal and play like an outlaw or whatever. Only in the mind of someone approaching with and FPS mentality would doing this and going up levels be considered "cheating the system". Its just what you personally want your charachter to be good at. You might not even be concerned about going up levels. That's just how you want to play your person. But the problem is that you DO go up levels for doing that stuff if you designed you charater to be good at that when you created it.

The leveling system is usually at the heart of most RPGs (and like I said Morrowind is the only one I have ever owned). If they were worried about people "cheating the system" this game would do much better as an RPG if it didn't have leveling in it at all and just allowed to to choose what skills you wanted to be good at to start with then develop them at your own pace. Like I said I don't think that enchanting items, making potions, working on your business skills, or sneaking around and breaking into things is "cheating the system". Is all what separates "role-playing" from just killing things. I could see how going to the middle of town and taping down the "Y" button so your 360 controller so that your guy just jumps for hours while you go take a nap might be "cheating" but who really cares? How does this affect anyone else who "plays it right"? Why worry about it any more than you would the guy who likes to play NCAA on junior varsity. Yes, you can buy training and yes you can create a used-car salesman type of player by setting Speechcraft, Alchemy, Sneak, Security, Mercantile, Enchant.... as your minor skills and playing them up so that they are ahead of your fighting skills. But even in the opinion of this non-hardcore RPG gamer the fact that that is the best way to do it is just plain stupid.

Let me put it this way: If EA said that they couldn't fix the football defensive AI and were just going to solve the problem of deep bombs and runaway scores by having the defensive players actually get faster and stronger based on how many points the offense scored many of us would go absolutely nuts. The not-so-hardcore sports gamer might thing we are crazy for worrying about it. After all it works for keeping things evenly matched. But it wouldn't be what most of us are looking for at all.

That's my point. Since you MUST keep your "fighting skills" up with your "charisma skills" it isn't much as an RPG. That doesn't make it a bad game. If fact it is a very good game. Just look at the review scores its getting. I still contend though that its more of a "First Person Slasher" than an RPG. It most definately is not the game the guys who have been anticipating it the most thought that they were going to get. That's why they are going ballistic over there. Stop looking down on them when we do exactly the same thing with sports games.

Good analogy with the sports refrence. It makes alot of sense but this is'nt exactly a sports game. Many of the RPGs I've played had a level scaling system just as Oblivion does now. When you get higher levels, instead of fighting the lowly Brown Rabbit, you fight the more tougher Gray Rabbit. Get an even higher level, then comes the Gray Rabbits with the Demented Bunny Leader who has more health and uses magic.

You get my point but find any RPG besides Morrowind and you'll run into this scenario. I find it highly unlikely that some ppl have created a character with no fighting skills. Even having a high Alteration skill can get you somewhere. The probelm is the guy who cant hang with enemies on higher levels must have not raised his fighting skill very much. Its just hard to believe that guys are having 30 minute fights. If thats the case, go out in the forest and fight as many Wolves, Scamps and Imps as they can find.

In Morrowind, when you became powerfull, nothing could touch you. You could kill at will and run into very little problems. The new system in Oblivion makes it more of a challenge. Besides, I have yet to see the ones who complain about losing in higher levels change the difficulty slider. I bet it would work wonders.

[Jistic]

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You're a very lucky man, my wife hates videogames with a passion.

Mine only likes RPG's. She did love GTA for a time too. But only to drive around and blow as much stuff up as possible. She wasn't into the missions.

[TCrouch]

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My living room TV has been occupied for more than seventy hours since last Tuesday. I got the wife the PC version and she has her own level 15 Mage character now . We're like a movie complex, only with video games...Oblivion on 2 different screens all day long.