Overwatch

[Speedy]

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What was in this latest patch? My console showed it being like GB+ worth of content but I don't see any patch notes.

[kingkilla56]

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What was in this latest patch? My console showed it being like GB+ worth of content but I don't see any patch notes.

Think it was the Dva nerf.



Side note, looks like road hog is next up on the forum assassinations on Reddit and blizzard. I think he's very annoying, but honestly this "let's attack x hero and get em nerfed" monthly thing the community is doing is bumming me out. I'd love if the community could play a build of the game for a little bit before demanding blizzard nuke a character. And I say this as someone who has definitely been in the jumping to demand a nerf group.

I'm realizing it's hard to find balance when we change so much so quickly.

[Speedy]

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It seems the prevailing meta is 2 tanks, 2 healers and either an attacker or defender (depending on which side you are). When playing an attacker, the primary ones are Soldier or Reaper. I don't think I see McCree played nearly as much.

I think the Blizzard needs to remove a hero's healing ability feeding their ultimate. I don't understand why this is a reward? They didn't do anything but take damage. I get if they include Solider for times that he heals somebody ELSE but not himself....same with Roadhog and Mei.

[KSUowls]

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You make good points and a good hog can absolutely dominate in the current state of the game. Unfortunately, it seems that Blizzard only take into account high level play when making big changes to heroes. And I can absolutely assure you that if Hogs hook even reaches a 10 second cooldown he would be thrown into the dumpster tier.

I don't know maybe. I just see it as being so hugely impactful that 10 and even 12 second cooldowns would still make it invaluable at all levels because the best thing you can do in this game is to get kills. He is known for punishing people in bad position, but McCree and Soldier can't kill anyone sitting behind a wall either. So, all things being equal it's better to land a bodyshot hook with Roadhog that is instant death on any hero in the game than to try and hit multiple headshots with a true DPS at range where the enemy still has a chance at healing their friend. If Road lands that body shot then the enemy is playing a man down instantly for 30+ seconds so there would need a very significant CD on the Hook to make him useless imo.


If you look at the Overwatch leader boards, Roadhog is one of the top 2 or 3 played heroes on a large number of the top 500 players, and I'm sure they aren't picking him out of charity.

I think my problem with Roadhog really boils down to this. His total kit is just too fantastic. Even Ana as great as she is is still fairly limited in her total kit. He has 600 health, a quick 300 hp self heal, an amazing support ability like hook, and a shotgun that has more damage potential than a Widowmaker headshot. This gives him the unique advantage of being the only hero with a very forgiving health pool, a great support ability and high enough damage that he doesn't need his team to assist with that ability. Rein's shield is the best support ability in the game, but it doesn't do much good if his team isn't using it for protection and killing stuff in front. Zarya's only good after she puts her bubble on teammates or waits for enemies to shoot her personal bubble. Hog though, he has this unbelievable support ability that he can pop off every 6 seconds and then follow up on it with massive damage. He's low risk and very high reward. Even more than the Hook CD, I'd like to see him adjusted overall so that his Hook works more like Pudge from DoTA. Pull an enemy in for your team to kill instead of being a solo assassin. It would require a rework of his damage output, but I think it might be warranted. In the original Hook there was a decent chance that he would not give a great shot on you so the high damage made sense to compensate for the unpredictable landing points. Now that it's so consistent it should probably be toned down though.

[ubernoob]

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Even more than the Hook CD, I'd like to see him adjusted overall so that his Hook works more like Pudge from DoTA. Pull an enemy in for your team to kill instead of being a solo assassin. It would require a rework of his damage output, but I think it might be warranted.

Pudge is pretty much a solo assassin with his hook until very late game though when people get 5/6 slotted, especially once he hits level 6.

It's one of those weird things to fine tune and balance, especially in a first person shooter with no scaling. I think the CD would be a good place to start.

[kingkilla56]

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It's all about CD with the hook. 6 seconds is too generous. Widow's garbage mine has a higher CD. Think about that.

[KSUowls]

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The overwatch community is funny sometimes. I was in a QP last night with 2 friend. We were on ilios map set.
We had a random and a duo. The duo instant locked soldier and zenyatta.
I was Zarya, then we had a Lucio, roadhog, and something else.


We got wrecked in both games. Our soldier complained at the end of the first match that he had gold kills with just 2 and was asking what everyone was doing.
2nd hand I switched to Winston because they had a widowmaker doing good work in the first game. I started on her the entire game, and got their Lucio and Genji a few times too. Every team fight we had either a numbers advantage or we were even. The soldier and zenyatta ranted at the team again when we lost.

Ironically they were actually the very cause of our losses because neither of them did their job even a little bit. If you only have 2 kills as soldier in a round then that's a you problem. More importantly the other team had a phara who was working over our team. You would think our hit scan guy with his dps/support teammate could kill the phara just once (closest phara came to dying was when I jumped at her in the air as winston).

Fortunately their was a team swap the next game and the toxic duo was on the other team. We destroyed them lol.
And of course they were mad at their team again.

[Chiefsfan881129]

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Is the road hog rework in? Because I been using him & before I could never hook anyone to save my life & now all of a sudden I hook 5 to 10 players a game idk what has happened but if it's in this explains it. I love how much easier it is to use now & I never used to play as roadhog Cuz I couldn't use his hook... he is fun to use i I just hate his alt can seem to get more then 1 or 2 kills with it..




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[KSUowls]

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It's in on PC. Not sure about console.

The one thing to remember about his ult is that it isn't necessarily meant to get a bunch of kills. If you do then great, but the best part is that it knocks the enemy back which is especially great when trying to deny a point or a nanoboosted reinhardt

[KSUowls]

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Problem #978 with Roadhog

As Ana tonight, 4 times I got my sleep dart off first, Roadhog hooks a fraction of a second later. His hook hits, my dart is cancelled.

[Chiefsfan881129]

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Never seen that but it's weird how all of a sudden I'm hooking people when I couldn't b4 I thought the change was in but now ik it's not & yet Im hooking now

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[kingkilla56]

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Once you get a little practice with his hook, it's really hard to miss. It had Hanzo hit box magnet.

[KSUowls]

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New patch.

Roadhog is even stronger

Bastion is insane...just insane. It's stupid how strong he is now

They did not address anything about the ranking system.

[kingkilla56]

Overwatch

How does bastion go live. How did they think that was ok?

[KSUowls]

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Seriously. It's ridiculous. He's a little easier to deal with at range, but you're never going to kill him if he has teammates to support him because of ironclad. And that's in balanced game modes. He completely ruins any arcade mode where more than 1 bastion is allowed. Not that the game should be balanced around that, but it is telling.