Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

**ChubbyBanana** · 01-07-2009, 08:34 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by Scottdau

There was some on the wall. That weren't cuff. That was apart of the fight on Bart that started all this.

There's also the question of what is going on outside of the frame....

I only bring this up because the one cop standing to the right is talking on his radio, obviously looking off to the right side of the screen. I know the first video was taken from the right of the video I'm referencing. Maybe there was another fight or something going on off screen. He has a somewhat "concerned" look on his face...

**Scottdau** · 01-07-2009, 08:35 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by RAZRr1275

With 3 people you don't even need cuffs. I could get 3 13 year olds and they could successfully restrain that guy

Sure, but if you don't know what the others have on them. It can be scary. They just had them sit down while figure out what was going on. Trust me the you would be a little scared. They had about 5 people on a wall sitting down.

**Scottdau** · 01-07-2009, 08:37 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by ChubbyBanana

There's also the question of what is going on outside of the frame....

I only bring this up because the one cop standing to the right is talking on his radio, obviously looking off to the right side of the screen. I know the first video was taken from the right of the video I'm referencing. Maybe there was another fight or something going on off screen. He has a somewhat "concerned" look on his face...

Yeah they had people that were involved sitting on a wall. So they were a little uneasy.

**RAZRr1275** · 01-07-2009, 08:38 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by Scottdau

Sure, but if you don't know what the others have on them. It can be scary. They just had them sit down while figure out what was going on. Trust me the you would be a little scared. They had about 5 people on a wall sitting down.

If your that scared then just draw your weapon and don't fire it.

**Scottdau** · 01-07-2009, 08:42 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by RAZRr1275

If your that scared then just draw your weapon and don't fire it.

To me it looked like he thought he draw his taser. I don't know. Things happen. Like I said I feel bad for the family.

**RAZRr1275** · 01-07-2009, 08:44 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by Scottdau

To me it looked like he thought he draw his taser. I don't know. Things happen. Like I said I feel bad for the family.

Well if I were a cop I'd be sure of that before I pulled the trigger.

**Beantown** · 01-07-2009, 08:45 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by RAZRr1275

If your that scared then just draw your weapon and don't fire it.

Which, theoretically, could help the "the officer thought it was his taser" argument. You don't draw the taser unless you're going to discharge it...he wouldn't have thought twice about pulling the trigger if he thought it was the taser in his hands and if he needed it.

**RAZRr1275** · 01-07-2009, 08:50 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by Longhorn

Which, theoretically, could help the "the officer thought it was his taser" argument. You don't draw the taser unless you're going to discharge it...he wouldn't have thought twice about pulling the trigger if he thought it was the taser in his hands and if he needed it.

There would be a perfect reason to pull a taser and not use it. Intimidation. And he is a cop. They should know what he has in his hands before he fires it. He should know what weapon he has where. Same with any other profession. You have to know what your going to do before you do it except for a cop your risking someone elses life criminal or not. I'm not saying that cops need to be perfect and all but they need to know where their weapons are.

**ChubbyBanana** · 01-07-2009, 08:55 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by RAZRr1275

There would be a perfect reason to pull a taser and not use it. Intimidation. And he is a cop. They should know what he has in his hands before he fires it. He should know what weapon he has where. Same with any other profession. You have to know what your going to do before you do it except for a cop your risking someone elses life criminal or not. I'm not saying that cops need to be perfect and all but they need to know where their weapons are.

One thing I read about the BART officers from the BART Chief in a news article is that the Officers turn in their weapons and belts after thier shift.

That belt is then grabbed by the next officer coming on duty. It seems like an odd way to do things to me. Most of the departments I know don't handle thier utility belts in this manner.

**RAZRr1275** · 01-07-2009, 09:00 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by ChubbyBanana

One thing I read about the BART officers from the BART Chief in a news article is that the Officers turn in their weapons and belts after thier shift.

That belt is then grabbed by the next officer coming on duty. It seems like an odd way to do things to me. Most of the departments I know don't handle thier utility belts in this manner.

That would be even more reason that this shouldn't have happened. If you know belts are being handed off then you should definatly check where weapons are before your shift begins

**ChubbyBanana** · 01-07-2009, 09:28 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by RAZRr1275

That would be even more reason that this shouldn't have happened. If you know belts are being handed off then you should definatly check where weapons are before your shift begins

I agree.

**baumy300** · 01-07-2009, 09:31 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by RAZRr1275

With 3 people you don't even need cuffs. I could get 3 13 year olds and they could successfully restrain that guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAvP5pVb0xE

Ignorance rears its head once again.

**RAZRr1275** · 01-07-2009, 09:34 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by baumy300

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAvP5pVb0xE

Ignorance rears its head once again.

I don't see hwo you can call that against 3 cops. One of the cops is fighting and the other 2 are sitting around doing nothing. That's just poor excecution. Take the guy. Slam him against a wall. And hold him down. With 3 guys it's not toat difficult. And even worse. The guy in the shooting was sitting down

**baumy300** · 01-07-2009, 09:38 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by RAZRr1275

I don't see hwo you can call that against 3 cops. One of the cops is fighting and the other 2 are sitting around doing nothing. That's just poor excecution. Take the guy. Slam him against a wall. And hold him down. With 3 guys it's not toat difficult. And even worse. The guy in the shooting was sitting down

They pepper sprayed him. That is supposed to take most men down. Would you like to attempt a wrist lock on that beast? You know if all three officers did take him down and restrain him that police brutality would be all over that video, right? Or at least to the 'media' and you guys in the public...

See, cops can't go into that situation punching, kicking, scratching, throwing objects, etc... like that guy can. They have a force policy that they must follow. Can you imagine even you and your best friend fighting someone bigger than you who also happens to be on something? Do you not know how people can get hopped up on things and literally become bullet proof, yet alone pepper spray/human force proof?

So about that "It doesn't take 3 people thing" again...

**PVarck31** · 01-07-2009, 09:49 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by baumy300

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAvP5pVb0xE

Ignorance rears its head once again.

This was at the University of Akron.

Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

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