Weight Loss - Tips & Daily Check-in

[Sting]

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What gives you the impression that his stuff is for large women? I am no where near a large woman and I believe a lot of thigns he says hits right at home for me.

Do you mind me asking how much you weight and what your fitness goals are?

Right now I'm 210-215ish. Had a boatload of food and alcohol yesterday for my birthday so I don't wanna weigh until tomorrow. My weight loss goal is to get to 175-180, and then at that point start eating a more balanced diet and working out to build muscle. I know my caloric intake right now is too low, but I'm trying to lose this weight as fast as humanly possible. Right now I'm doing only cardio, and I'm gonna start my P90X program once I get to my weight goal.

[DC]

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Sometimes I wish that I was a big dude trying to lose weight. The satisfaction that you see in results is much greater than anything I can produce at this point. I have been working out regularly for about 8 years now and I am pretty much where I want to be. Seems like it would be more fun for you to see a lot of progress. Isn't that much fun just trying to maintain. I get it done though.

What is your current body fat %?

[Jonesy]

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Sorry Bill but that is what they call "bro science" and I haven't seen any proof in real scientific terms. Your body takes many hours to process a meal regardless whether its a big one or a small one. Eating lots of small meals has no impact on your ability to burn carbs, if anything eating every 2-3 hours means you have more spikes in your insulin levels which actually hinders fat loss as opposed to fasting which drops insulin levels allowing for more fat to be burnt.

As for the whole small meals shrinking your stomach, what will shrink your stomach more, not eating for 24 hours then eating or eating lots of small meals? I know for me fasting has meant that when i do eat i end up needing less to fill up, lots of small meals just kept me hungry all day and always thinking about food and my next meal.

It's all good if you prefer the other way of doing it, many people have gotten fantastic results doing it, i just personally prefer this method. I don't think it really matters how you do it as long its something that you are comfortable with and can stick with for the long term.

even if you are right, you're ignoring a very important fact

it is much easier for the body to burn carbs than it is to burn fat. By eating many small meals, your body will naturally burn off those carbs you take in from food, without any of them being converted into fat. However when you only eat one large meal in a day, your body can not handle all those carbs at once and as a result many of them will inevitably turn into fat because you couldnt metabolize them quick enough. Then when they do turn into fat, it's going to take a whole lot more work to get rid of them than if you had burned them off while they were still carbs.

not to mention, by eating lots of small meals your stomach can actually shrink, making you feel fuller quicker.

[DC]

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So why exactly are you fasting? Religious reasons?

[Jonesy]

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So why exactly are you fasting? Religious reasons?

Have you read any posts in this thread at all?

For health benefits (which i have outlined on numerous occasions) and fat loss.

I totally agree about ignoring the scales (being 200lbs and lean and being 200lbs and 30% body fat are two totally different things but would have the exact same scale reading) and those hand held body fat measures are a bit of joke and give massively varying readings. I guess as long as you can get a consistent reading from it you may be able to track some progress but i wouldn't put too much faith in one to be honest.

[DC]

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Obviously I haven't read them if I asked. No need to get sassy man. Just asking a question.

Have you consulted with someone in regards to this? What and how will fasting help you reach those goals. Sure you won't be doing more harm than help? That shouldn't be something that you should just do because you read it in a book. But good luck, don't think I am attacking you.

It's so high in sodium but other than that it's ok.

For what it's worth i average between 1500-2000 cals per day but do intermittent fasting.

I have been getting into this fasting thing and the more i read about it the more i think it's the best way for me going forward. Some benefits of fasting include:

In dozens of published peer reviewed scientific studies, short-term intermittent fasting has been found to have the following health benefits:
• Decreased body fat & body weight
• Maintenance of skeletal muscle mass
• Decreased blood glucose levels
• Decreased insulin levels & increased insulin sensitivity
• Increased lipolysis & fat oxidation
• Increased Uncoupling Protein 3 mRNA
• Increased norepinephrine & epinephrine levels
• Increased Glucagon levels
• Increased growth hormone levels.

So basically fasting for periods under 72 hours actually increases how much fat your body is capable of burning and increases growth hormone levels (ie what is needed to shed fat and build muscle that people pay hundreds of dollars for on the black market).

Lets look at some of the common myth's we are fed:

Myth 1: Eat small meals every 2-3 hours speeds up metabolism: WRONG!
I makes no difference if you eat 7, 5, 3, or 1 meal per day. Numerous studies have shown it has no affect on metabolism.

Myth 2: Fasting will slow down your metabolism: WRONG! Studies show that fasting actually speeds up your metabolism if it's kept under 72 hours, the complete opposite of what most people believe.

Myth 3: If you fast you will burn off your muscle: WRONG! Studies show that when incorporating weight training 3 times per week you lose minimal muscle mass even when consuming ridiculously low levels of calories (one study had people on 800 cals per day for 12 weeks).

It allows me to concentrate on work during my busy days and still sit down and have a nice filling meal at dinner time with my wife while still dropping fat. Sounds good to me.

Ok I see what you are doing now. Good luck.

[Sting]

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Sometimes I wish that I was a big dude trying to lose weight. The satisfaction that you see in results is much greater than anything I can produce at this point. I have been working out regularly for about 8 years now and I am pretty much where I want to be. Seems like it would be more fun for you to see a lot of progress. Isn't that much fun just trying to maintain. I get it done though.

What is your current body fat %?

I'm not sure what my body fat is. It's the worst in my lower back and stomach.

[Jonesy]

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Obviously I haven't read them if I asked. No need to get sassy man. Just asking a question.

Have you consulted with someone in regards to this? What and how will fasting help you reach those goals. Sure you won't be doing more harm than help? That shouldn't be something that you should just do because you read it in a book. But good luck, don't think I am attacking you.



Ok I see what you are doing now. Good luck.

Nah man its all good.

I just saw your post then my post which was on the same page answering your questions so i was wondering if you needed more clarification etc.

I wonder what Sean from underground wellness thinks about fasting, i tried searching his uploads but didn't see anything?

I've also been following the journal of this guy who post's as wave_length on the bodybuilding forums. This guy usually eats one big meal a day (whatever her want's chinese buffet, Taco Bell whatever) drinks 2-3 glasses of wine each night, only works out 3 times per week with no cardio and looks like this:



He's living proof that to cut fat it's cals in vs cals out and 99% of this other nonsense that is reported in bodybuilding / fitness magazines is BS and is basically there to feed the supplement and food industries.

[DC]

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That is an extreme type of situation there. That isn't something that everyone should follow just because he looks the way he does. You have to ask yourself questions like:

1. Is he on the juice
2. What did he look like BEFORE. Was he always very active?
3. Did he get to that point BECAUSE of the wierd intake/methods or is he experimenting with this method?
4. Do you have the same goals as him? He might be a slim dude naturally so he might not HAVE TO do any cardio.

We get in trouble by following others especially when it comes to crazy methods like him. Can't be healthy to eat ANYTHING he wants and then turn around and eat nothing.

2-3 wines per night is a little excessive. I just think you are too concerned with how he LOOKS. That isn't the only thing you should care about when it comes to health and welness.

[Jonesy]

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That is an extreme type of situation there. That isn't something that everyone should follow just because he looks the way he does. You have to ask yourself questions like:

1. Is he on the juice
2. What did he look like BEFORE. Was he always very active?
3. Did he get to that point BECAUSE of the wierd intake/methods or is he experimenting with this method?
4. Do you have the same goals as him? He might be a slim dude naturally so he might not HAVE TO do any cardio.

We get in trouble by following others especially when it comes to crazy methods like him. Can't be healthy to eat ANYTHING he wants and then turn around and eat nothing.

2-3 wines per night is a little excessive. I just think you are too concerned with how he LOOKS. That isn't the only thing you should care about when it comes to health and welness.

Yeah i agree he is an extreme example and it's impossible to know if he's on the juice or not (he says hes not but so do a lot of pro bodybuilders ).

I'm not following what he does it's just an example that people need to start "thinking outside the box" when it comes to nutrition.

My usual day looks like this:

5AM cardio - 50 mins

6.30am - breakfast - 2 to 3 whole eggs, 1 piece of multi grain bread, a small bit of ketchup for taste

Lunch around noon - either a big salad with some lean meat or a sandwhich with lean meat and salad

snack around 3-4pm - a handful of almonds

5.30pm - workout with weights - 3 times per week

7pm dinner - usually fish, beef, chicken and veges.

I'm just mixing it up by throwing a few fasting days in there per week to see how my body responds. I generally eat very healthy with a "cheat" meal on Friday or sat night with a few beers.

[DC]

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Your intake seems very solid. I just don't know why you feel the need to "supplement" it with the fasting. Are you not seeing the results that you want or do you just feel the need to "think outside of the box."

I understand wanting to have an independent train of though but I think you would be better suited to stick with what you are doing and do that every day.

[Jonesy]

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I guess for two reasons:

1. I want to speed up fat loss. I know Rome wasn't built in day but i'm sick of not being able to get back to where i was. You've heard of the freshman 15 well i put on the freshman 50 and put on a heap of weight when i went to college (went from a lean 175lbs to a very fat 233 in a year and a half of partying and junk food living on campus at college). Now i've been graduated for nearly 8 yrs and still haven't gotten back into the shape i want (i'm down to 207 but still have a long way to go) so i'm going hardcore now.

2. Eating 5 - 6 times a day just isn't practical for me in my work. I manage a business and am an audiologist and i often visit sites in small country towns or Aboriginal communities that i can only get too once every 4-6 weeks so the days are literally overflowing with clients to see. On days like this where i literally don't have 5 mins to eat anything the fasting comes in handy as i can get through my day then relax over a decent meal that night.

Other than that i don't have a real problem with it and as i said it works for many people but i also get annoyed how negative people can get about fasting when most of the science actually points in the opposite direction.

[DC]

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1. How long have you been SERIOUSLY doing what you need to do to lose that weight? Seriously meaning hard work in the gym and proper nutrition and est. Before resorting to gimmicks, I think you should go hard for a year with proper weight training and nutrition before you resort to the fasting in between day method. Have you not gotten back down to your ideal size because of your job? No time to put the right amount of work in? That is usually when people try these gimmicks. Wehn they convince themselves that they have done everything in their power to reach their goals but just fail miserably. Can you HONESTLY say that you have given it your all?

2. It works for many people. The cookie diet "works" for many people as well. We have to define what working is. Is working simply losing weight? Is it factoring in any long term effects? Is it factoring in any loss in fatigue? Or are we simply basing success on weight loss? Something to think about.

[ODogg]

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DC I also eat farm raised brown eggs in addition to or combined with egg beAters...

[DC]

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ODogg, when you have the option of getting REAL food, always take the real food. I don't see the need of consuming both. Go with the eggs over the processed egg white mixture/concoction that Egg Beaters is.