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[dubcity]

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Nah, nothing strange. Why fabricate one when you can use the real thing (realism, saving money?) safely and secure. Real guns with blanks are safely used on how many productions (films, series) each year throughout the world and something like this doesn't happen? 100? 200?

Sure, I'm not jumping on board with some movement just because of this. It's just my own personal feelings. I get that it's an extremely rare occurrence. Then again people obsess over things that are also extremely rare occurrences statistically all the time.

Is it really that much easier and cheaper to use real guns, though? I'd imagine there are licenses, clearances, insurance costs, the need for (paid) people on set whose specific job it is to maintain and check them constantly, and additional safety protocols and training for everyone involved with actually firing them on set.

[BurghFan]

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And #AlecForPrison is trending on twitter. People just jump all over everything and jump to conclusions w/o checking into and assessing the facts. Someone may befacing jail time for this (the person who was in charge of setting up the prop gun and doing a safety check most likely), but it won't be Baldwin.

I'm also find it strange that they would still be using potentially dangerous props with all they can do with computers and CGI nowadays.

[Master Live 013]

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Sorry (not really) to interrupt the string of serious posts but I just watched the Honest Trailer for LeBron's Space Jam, thought it was hilarious and had to share it.

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Now continue with the regularly scheduled programming :P

[Dead2009]

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And #AlecForPrison is trending on twitter. People just jump all over everything and jump to conclusions w/o checking into and assessing the facts. Someone may befacing jail time for this (the person who was in charge of setting up the prop gun and doing a safety check most likely), but it won't be Baldwin.

I'm also find it strange that they would still be using potentially dangerous props with all they can do with computers and CGI nowadays.

Everyone wants Baldwin to go to jail even though it's came out about the crew yelling "cold gun" before the accident took place. There's also a report about how there were constant misfires and people were worried about gun safety. That accident is 100% on the prop department.

[kehlis]

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Nah, nothing strange. Why fabricate one when you can use the real thing (realism, saving money?) safely and secure. Real guns with blanks are safely used on how many productions (films, series) each year throughout the world and something like this doesn't happen? 100? 200?

Someone ****ed up, royally.

By now everyone must be buttressing their positions. I'm sure there is a protocol for how guns are supposed to be handled in US based productions (union rules, regulations). Was protocol followed? Can't be, because we ended with a live round in the chamber. Then who broke protocol?

Union people working on set have their union lawyers, that assistant director that yelled "cold gun" has, I don't know if assistant directors have a union, so I don't who he has. And then there is Alec Baldwin.

Cool. Let’s continue to just make assumptions.


Can we wait for facts to come out or no?

[Master Live 013]

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And here I thought I was restraining myself (which I did). Talked about how it is safe to use real guns in movies if protocols are followed. Said someone ****ed up, ok that's kind of an assumption. Then about how everyone must lawyering up, which is just smart in any situation of this kind.

Yup, pretty restrained from where I'm standing. Unless you don't want people talking about the situation at all in which case why have a forum at all?

See, if I wanted to throw "assumptions" around and be irresponsible I would talk about the rumor going around that this might be part of a union negotiation gone wrong. This movie is a extremely low-budget indie production in which apparently they used some non-union crew and rumors flying around are that maybe one of the union-crew people loaded the gun so that it fired and damaged some of the equipment to make a point about hiring non-union people. That's the same contract negotiation that reached a tentative agreement this/last week. Apparently things didn't went as planned, of course.

So yeah, if I really wanted to go all the way I could, but I didn't. But now I guess I did.

[Master Live 013]

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IN THIS INSTANCE, WERE BLANKS FIRED?

The gun was loaded with live rounds, court records released Friday show. According to the records, the gun was one of three that the film’s armorer had set on a cart outside the wooden structure where a scene was being acted. Assistant director Dave Halls grabbed the gun from the cart and brought it inside to Baldwin, unaware that it was loaded with live rounds, a detective wrote in the search warrant application.

WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WEAPONS ON SET?

Generally, a weapons master or armorer oversees all weapons that are used on a production. This can mean anything from selecting the correct items for a certain period in history, to taking care of the weapons on set and making sure they are being used safely and properly by actors and stuntpeople. It’s a fairly new position in the history of film production, going back only to the 1980s. Before that, the prop master handled everything. Recently, it’s become more common to enlist specialists.

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WHY WOULD THE GUN HAVE BEEN POINTING AT THE CINEMATOGRAPHER?

We don’t know what happened on the set of “Rust,” but it is fairly common to have a gun pointed at the camera, and by extension the cinematographer, to get a certain angle.

“We’ve all seen the very famous shots in films where you get that dramatic effect of a gun being pointed at you, the audience, and of course, it’s being pointed towards the camera,” explained Steven Hall, a veteran second unit director and cinematographer who has worked on films like “Fury” and “Thor: The Dark World.” “To minimize that, one would put a remote camera in that place, or at least if someone does have to operate the camera, I’m normally protected by safety goggles, a safety visor and often a PERSPEX screen that withstands pretty much anything. Obviously, it wouldn’t withstand a real shot from a gun, but it would certainly withstand a blank.”

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WHY DO PRODUCTIONS EVEN USE REAL GUNFIRE WHEN SPECIAL EFFECTS ARE AVAILABLE?

It is becoming more common to add in gunfire in post-production when working on the visual effects. But visual effects can be expensive and it can be easier, and cheaper, to use props. Also, Dormer says that there can be advantages to using props and blanks, like getting an authentic reaction from an actor.

Good Associated Press explainer: https://apnews.com/article/entertain...1f5d755ac4ca0c

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[kehlis]

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And here I thought I was restraining myself (which I did). Talked about how it is safe to use real guns in movies if protocols are followed. Said someone ****ed up, ok that's kind of an assumption. Then about how everyone must lawyering up, which is just smart in any situation of this kind.

See, if I wanted to throw "assumptions" around and be irresponsible I would talk about the rumor going around that this might be part of a union negotiation gone wrong. This movie is a extremely low-budget indie production in which apparently they used some non-union crew and rumors flying around are that maybe one of the union-crew people loaded the gun so that it fired and damaged some of the equipment to make a point about hiring non-union people. That's the same contract negotiation that reached a tentative agreement this/last week. Apparently things didn't went as planned, of course.

So yeah, if I really wanted to go all the way I could, but I didn't. But now I guess I did.

This was a life altering accident on many levels. All I'm suggesting is maybe understanding how this happened before we start taking judgment.

Why there is a live gun on set is clearly hard to understand and there was likely negligence but we don't know that yet. If you know who to point the finger at for sure, let us know.

Yup, pretty restrained from where I'm standing. Unless you don't want people talking about the situation at all in which case why have a forum at all?

This is a bull **** comment. I'm a straight shooter. Any time there has been something we shouldn't be talking about I'm 100% clear about it. If you have an issue with me, feel free to PM.

[Majingir]

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James Michael Tyler, best known as Gunther from Friends passed away today at the age of 59 after a battle with cancer.

[Master Live 013]

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https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-24/alec-baldwin-prop-gun-shooting-halyna-hutchins-search-warrant

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Actor Alec Baldwin was practicing removing a revolver from its holster and aiming toward the camera during rehearsal for the movie “Rust” when director Joel Souza heard “what sounded like a whip and then a loud pop,” according to a search warrant obtained by the Los Angeles Times on Sunday night that also provided grim new details about the final minutes of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins’ life.

In the newly released document Souza said someone identified the weapon as a “cold gun,” meaning it did not have any live rounds. But instead the gun discharged, striking Hutchins in her chest and Souza in his right shoulder, according to a Santa Fe County, N.M., sheriff’s detective’s affidavit used to obtain a search warrant. Hutchins was pronounced dead at an Albuquerque hospital.

Souza’s statement to the detective offered a new window into the on-set shooting Thursday that has left Hollywood reeling and calling for safer working conditions on sets.

The shooting took place after six members of the film’s crew walked off the set after complaining to the production company about payment and housing, camera operator Reid Russell told Det. Joel Cano. The affidavit offered the most detailed chronology yet of an unfolding tragedy.

The day started late because the production hired another camera crew and was working with only one camera, Souza told the detective.

Souza said three people were handling the gun for the scene: armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, then assistant director Dave Halls, who handed the gun to Baldwin, the affidavit said.

Halls had taken one of three prop guns set up by Gutierrez Reed on a cart left outside the structure because of COVID-19 restrictions, the affidavit said. Halls did not know live rounds were in the gun when he handed it to Baldwin, and Halls yelled “cold gun,” according to the affidavit.

Souza said cast and crew were preparing the scene before lunch but then had a meal away from the rehearsal area around 12:30 p.m., according to the affidavit. When they returned, Souza said, he wasn’t sure if the gun was checked again, the affidavit said.

“Joel said as far as he knows, no one gets checked for live ammunition on their person prior and after the scenes are being filmed,” the affidavit said. “The only thing checked are the firearms to avoid live ammunition being in them. Joel stated there should never be live rounds whatsoever, near or around the scene.”

When they came back from lunch, a creeping shadow prompted the camera to be moved to a different angle, Russell said in the affidavit. As Baldwin was explaining how he was going to draw his gun and where his arm would be when he pulled the gun from the holster, it discharged, Russell said.

Souza said he was looking over Hutchins’ shoulder when the gun discharged. Hutchins grabbed her midsection, stumbled backward and “was assisted to the ground,” Souza told the detective.

The search warrant said Russell recalled hearing a loud bang, seeing a bloody Souza and hearing Hutchins say she couldn’t feel her legs.

The shooting came after crew members raised concerns about safety conditions on set. Two “Rust” crew members told the L.A. Times that, less than a week earlier, a stunt double had fired two accidental prop gun discharges after being told the gun was “cold.”

Rust Movie Productions said in a statement that the safety of its cast and crew is “the top priority” and it was not aware of official complaints raised about weapon safety and will conduct an internal review. On Sunday, the production company said it would shut down the film’s production during the investigation but did not rule out restarting.

Hutchins’ death follows other accidents that have happened on TV and movie sets. Some in Hollywood and the greater community have called for sets to no longer have operational firearms, especially as muzzle fire could be added through post production. A California state senator has announced plans to propose legislation to ban live ammunition and firearms capable of shooting live ammunition on Hollywood productions in California.

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[slickdtc]

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What is the reason for having live ammunition at a production? Shouldn’t all ammo be blanks when you’re making a movie?

I understand the costs argument for not wanting to add special effects in place of blanks, but I can’t figure out why you have live ammo mixed around blanks and it’s not completely and totally separated, leaving no room for a mix-up and an accident like this.

[DieHardYankee26]

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From what I’ve seen there’s been a lot of confusion because on set in movie parlance, blanks are considered live rounds because there should never actually be real bullets on set.

[Jolly Roger]

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That whole thing is just awful. I am by no means an Alec Baldwin fan, but I feel really bad for him. I was reading where the armorer for this movie is like 24 years old and was on a podcast saying she almost didn't take her last job because she wasn't sure if she was ready.

[Speedy]

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So is Mill just no longer visiting OS anymore?

[The Kid 24]

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So is Mill just no longer visiting OS anymore?

I asked him during a stream awhile back, said he has nothing to do with OS anymore.


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