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  • redsox4evur
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    • Jul 2013
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    #766
    Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by Brahvocado
    Players dive because they don't get those calls, and because defenders and keepers are allowed to get away with literal murder.
    No they don't at least in college soccer. I work for my school's men's team, top 3 in D2, and last night our captain was getting punched (on attack) and then put the guy punching him into a headlock. Both of them got YCs. Also less than 15 minutes into the game a guy for the team we were playing, pulled down our striker on a clean break and got sent off as the last defender.
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    • Suntan Superman
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      #767
      Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

      While I admit to chuckling, Chelsea sure deserved a penalty on the play in question, and there's no way I'll deny that
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      • Brahvocado
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        • Oct 2012
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        #768
        Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by redsox4evur
        No they don't at least in college soccer. I work for my school's men's team, top 3 in D2, and last night our captain was getting punched (on attack) and then put the guy punching him into a headlock. Both of them got YCs. Also less than 15 minutes into the game a guy for the team we were playing, pulled down our striker on a clean break and got sent off as the last defender.
        I should have specified professional soccer, not ALL soccer.

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        • dubcity
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          • May 2012
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          #769
          Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

          It's a fair point, though. We're annoyed when players exaggerate contact, but if guys don't make it obvious that they've been fouled, they risk the refs not calling it.

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          • Brahvocado
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            • Oct 2012
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            #770
            Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by dubcity
            It's a fair point, though. We're annoyed when players exaggerate contact, but if guys don't make it obvious that they've been fouled, they risk the refs not calling it.
            Honestly, it goes beyond risk. It's basically a certainty.

            I remember seeing an episode of MNF, where they had Howard Webb (post retirement). Gary Neville asks him if he remembers a time when a ref called a penalty and the player didn't go to ground (hand balls excluded obviously), and Webb couldn't think of a single time. He ignored the question a few times even, before ultimately admitting he couldn't think of an incident.

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            • ~LiverpoolRed~
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              • Dec 2008
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              #771
              Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

              Much better effort from Villa this morning. Jordan Amavi is maddening though. He will not cross the ball into the box. No sense in having Rudy Gestede in the box if you aren't going to get it to him. Charles N'Zogbia was the only one getting it into him.

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              • sportsfreak96
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                • Nov 2012
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                #772
                Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

                Palace once again has Liverpool's number at Anfield! 1-0 Palace on a 21' Goal By Yannick Bolasie!


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                • Keirik
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                  #773
                  Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by Brahvocado
                  Everybody will be too busy making fun of us to talk about it, but that Remy chance at the end is the entire reason diving exists in the modern game.

                  That is a stonewall penalty and red card, keeper comes sliding out and misses the ball completely, Remy has to practically tuck his knees into his chest when jumping over and still gets clipped. Because he gets clipped he can't keep his balance and misses the shot.

                  If Remy goes down that's a penalty and a red card. His reward for staying on his feet? Nothing. He will get a pat on the back from pundits for displaying "grit" and "determination ", but a pat on the back isn't worth any points. Until a ref actually calls a penalty without needing the player to go down first, diving will never go away.

                  Players dive because they don't get those calls, and because defenders and keepers are allowed to get away with literal murder.
                  Well, you definitely are correct about one thing


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                  • Brahvocado
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                    • Oct 2012
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                    #774
                    Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

                    The amount of space Arsenal gave Spurs most of that game was shocking, this is coming from a Chelsea fan.

                    Arsenal lucky with a 1-1 honestly, their only good spell was the last 10 minutes.

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                    • Brahvocado
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                      #775
                      Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by Keirik
                      Well, you definitely are correct about one thing


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                      • sportsfreak96
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                        • Nov 2012
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                        #776
                        Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

                        Palace Wins 2-1 @ Anfield! Woot Woot!


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                        • eyeamg0dly
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                          #777
                          Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by Brahvocado
                          The amount of space Arsenal gave Spurs most of that game was shocking, this is coming from a Chelsea fan.

                          Arsenal lucky with a 1-1 honestly, their only good spell was the last 10 minutes.
                          I wouldn't consider it lucky, what did Spurs do with it? If they could create more chances then I would agree with you. I think both sides knew this was going to be a scrappy game that they were both going to have to grind out.
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                          • Brahvocado
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                            Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by eyeamg0dly
                            I wouldn't consider it lucky, what did Spurs do with it? If they could create more chances then I would agree with you. I think both sides knew this was going to be a scrappy game that they were both going to have to grind out.
                            Sorry, that's what I meant by lucky. Lucky that Spurs never really capitalized on the acres of space.

                            At the same time. You can't only show up for 10 minutes of a game and then claim your side deserved a result.

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                            • Krebstar
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                              #779
                              Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by Brahvocado
                              Sorry, that's what I meant by lucky. Lucky that Spurs never really capitalized on the acres of space.

                              At the same time. You can't only show up for 10 minutes of a game and then claim your side deserved a result.
                              We certainly did not deserve three points, but I think we deserved the point that we took away.

                              We created chances in the second half, and I don't think Spurs really threatened too much in the second half. However, if we were 1-0 up I wouldn't expect us to be doing too much, either.

                              If we didn't draw, I'd still consider it a fair result, but we at least did enough in the end to earn a point. They didn't do enough to take three points.

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                              • Brahvocado
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                                • Oct 2012
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                                #780
                                Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

                                Yeah the result was definitely fair enough. Spurs had plenty of opportunity to put the game away and didn't, and were punished for it.

                                Your defensive positioning has just been all off since the Bayern game. A hungrier team would have taken you guys to the cleaners I think.

                                But yeah, 1-1 is fine all things considered. I thought you guys got lucky but I didn't mean to imply that I thought the result wasn't fair.

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