2020-2021 English Football Thread

[Keirik]

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Well if that didn’t wake Liverpool up nothing will

[~LiverpoolRed~]

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Big Sam steals points again. No complaints from me. We were not at it today. Second half we were rubbish. 100% home record gone.

[PPerfect_CJ]

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Told the girlfriend before the match that we would probably drop points, today. Not one bit surprised.

[Krebstar]

2020-2021 English Football Thread

Big Sam sitting Pereira, his most talented individual player after he was able to return from suspension pretty much summed up everything for me.

Brought him on for an assist.

I’ll never doubt you again, Samuel.

[Krebstar]

2020-2021 English Football Thread

These Spurs kits are hideous.

(I realize this could be said during any match in nearly any recent season)

[Suntan Superman]

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i've always loved west brom


say this all the time in fact

[~LiverpoolRed~]

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Spurs are going to drop more points playing this way. Just like the Palace game.

EDIT: You could see it coming.

[Krebstar]

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Spurs are going to drop more points playing this way. Just like the Palace game.

EDIT: You could see it coming.

Nah, they were away, Jose calls that picking up a point.

[~LiverpoolRed~]

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Nah, they were away, Jose calls that picking up a point.

The better team drew?

[Keirik]

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League really is wide open this year. It's nice to see actually.

[~LiverpoolRed~]

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I must have watched a different match to Jose. He just said after scoring in the 1st minute they controlled the game for the other 89 minutes.

Wolves had more possession (as expected), more shots, more on target, more touches, more passes more tackles, corners, etc.

They are so boring to watch playing this way. It's like watching Italy. Score a goal then sit back and soak up the pressure.

[Krebstar]

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They are so boring to watch playing this way. It's like watching Italy. Score a goal then sit back and soak up the pressure.

I mentioned hearing it when he was at United, and I've always thought about it since. Michael Cox (Zonal Marking) made the great point that with Mourinho, his results-based approach only works when you get results.

Which sounds obvious, but what he means is that if his team is winning something (a trophy, not just games) then he's safe. His team is happy, the supporters are happy, and the board is happy. But when you're not getting the results that your entire approach is after, it's far easier for everyone to start doubting you, players saying they're not enjoying their football, supporters putting pressure on the board, etc.

It sounds overly simplistic to mean anything, but I think it's a great observation. If he's winning, he's not questioned but instead celebrated for being back to his old self. But if he's not winning, he'll be relentlessly under pressure. Far more than a manager who is sitting somewhere else in the table whose first priority is to not lose instead of to win. Far more than a manager whose philosophy is more 'positive' and not as negative.

It doesn't mean his approach is right or wrong, just that when it goes wrong it's really, really easy to question.

[Keirik]

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I mentioned hearing it when he was at United, and I've always thought about it since. Michael Cox (Zonal Marking) made the great point that with Mourinho, his results-based approach only works when you get results.

Which sounds obvious, but what he means is that if his team is winning something (a trophy, not just games) then he's safe. His team is happy, the supporters are happy, and the board is happy. But when you're not getting the results that your entire approach is after, it's far easier for everyone to start doubting you, players saying they're not enjoying their football, supporters putting pressure on the board, etc.

It sounds overly simplistic to mean anything, but I think it's a great observation. If he's winning, he's not questioned but instead celebrated for being back to his old self. But if he's not winning, he'll be relentlessly under pressure. Far more than a manager who is sitting somewhere else in the table whose first priority is to not lose instead of to win. Far more than a manager whose philosophy is more 'positive' and not as negative.

It doesn't mean his approach is right or wrong, just that when it goes wrong it's really, really easy to question.

I think it’s because of his own stubbornness and unwillingness to change anything. It’s almost as if he has decided that it’s only worth winning if it’s 100% exactly the way he’s envisioned it so that pundits and the like can only say “only Jose could do it this. Classic Jose.” I honestly believe if he was given a premonition from a god that told him he will be guaranteed to win if he does X, he would check if it’s his own way first before agreeing to it. Can’t let anyone else get the credit.

[Krebstar]

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Highly intrigued by the Chelsea v Villa match today. Should be a good one.

[~LiverpoolRed~]

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Rubbish penalty.