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  • Suntan Superman
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    • Feb 2009
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    #3181
    Re: 2020-2021 English Football Thread

    Originally posted by Brahvocado
    Definitely not a main takeaway here but slightly infuriating that Tottenham managed to worm their way into this. Especially on the back of Agnelli’s comments about Atalanta not deserving European football because they have no European history but apparently he’s fine with Tottenham.

    Anyway, this is hole thing sucks quite a lot. I’m personally with Neville’s plan of fining clubs and deducting points.

    After throwing all these sound bites at European Super League, I'm very interested to see if Sky or BT bid on the TV rights. Billionaires(TV Stations) telling us other Billionaires(club owners) are the actual bad guys and they're the good guys is just the pinnacle of sports is about money and nothing else. Can't wait for a few years from now when Gary Neville is providing punditry for the upcoming "The Super League" match.
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    • itsmb8
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      • May 2011
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      #3182
      Re: 2020-2021 English Football Thread

      Originally posted by dubcity
      So basically all these teams are starting their own Champions League, with guaranteed spots every year, thereby guaranteeing a certain level of financial (and thereby competitive) security forever. And the domestic leagues are saying they will ban these teams from their competitions, and UEFA has said they will ban all players participating in this from international competition. Among other stuff. Pretty much? Sounds like a meltdown all around.
      The bold is EXACTLY the reason why this is trying to be formed. When Leicester won the Prem with 5000/1 odds, who were the 4 behind them? Arsenal, Tottenham, Man City, Man U. All these teams are banking on the prize money to help cover expenses, basically banking on themselves. When Leicester won, it pushed Man U out of the CL in 2016-17 in into Europa, and pushed Arsenal to 2nd and denied them the money for winning. They both fell into debt and havent been that successful since. So, they want to create the Super League with permanent spots for them so they are guaranteed all that money and dont have to worry about being successful in the domestic leagues or the Champions League, and have their yearly expenses covered before they even step foot on the pitch.

      Its just a boys club for the richest clubs in Europe so they can stay rich and no small club outgrows them.
      Last edited by itsmb8; 04-19-2021, 12:09 AM.
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      • Krebstar
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        • May 2005
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        #3183
        Re: 2020-2021 English Football Thread

        Originally posted by bhurst99
        There's so much backlash there's no way this is ever going to happen.
        2020 taught me to stop thinking anything like this. It may not go ahead now, but there’s an increasing inevitably about it.

        As for the backlash, they knew it would happen and honestly I doubt they’re phased.

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        • Krebstar
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          • May 2005
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          #3184
          Re: 2020-2021 English Football Thread

          The twelve clubs have stepped down from the ECA and their UEFA committee spots. They’ve also hired the same UK public relations firm that handled Theresa May.

          Just posturing, though...

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          • KG
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            • Sep 2005
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            #3185
            Re: 2020-2021 English Football Thread

            Oh it’s def not posturing and if it falls through it just sets the stage for a future effort to organize something where the top clubs remain the top clubs through financial security.

            It makes sense considering the financial mismanagement of many of these top clubs over the years, especially in Spain and Italy but the timing for this is perfect considering how much COVID affected club finances. 325 million before they’ve even kicked a ball and/or negotiated TV deals.

            It’s also ironic that this comes at the same time UEFA has announced plans to expand the UCL (more of a cash grab like the NCAA expanding the Men’s tourney).

            Make no mistake, the top clubs hold all the power in football. UEFA CL without these clubs would die. Domestic leagues without them would die. FIFA’s World Cup without the top players would die


            I’m not even upset that Chelsea has joined in on the cash grab. FOMO is real and sports is all about keeping or setting the pace.


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            • BunnyHardaway
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              • Nov 2004
              • 15195

              #3186
              Re: 2020-2021 English Football Thread

              Soccer usurped baseball as my favorite sport about a year or two ago so it’s only fitting that it’s now being ruined. This one is my bad guys.

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              • Krebstar
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                • May 2005
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                #3187
                Re: 2020-2021 English Football Thread

                Before anyone thinks the threat of banning players for international competitions will put an end to this, there is a room full of lawyers laughing.

                It may delay it, but to think that the threat/promise of it, whatever is enough to halt this—no.

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                • bhurst99
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                  • Aug 2003
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                  #3188
                  Re: 2020-2021 English Football Thread

                  Originally posted by Krebstar
                  2020 taught me to stop thinking anything like this. It may not go ahead now, but there’s an increasing inevitably about it.

                  As for the backlash, they knew it would happen and honestly I doubt they’re phased.
                  Maybe but I don't think JP Morgan is going to be ready for the backlash it will face. Let's see how this unfolds.
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                  • Krebstar
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                    • May 2005
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                    #3189
                    Re: 2020-2021 English Football Thread

                    Originally posted by bhurst99
                    Maybe but I don't think JP Morgan is going to be ready for the backlash it will face. Let's see how this unfolds.
                    I don't think JP Morgan gives a **** what anyone worth less than hundreds of millions thinks.

                    For perspective, there are going to be lots and lots of people across the globe that will love this idea, support it, gleefully watch it, etc. Newer supporters where the sport has grown that have zero interest in watching an unbalanced domestic league match that those of us here relish in watching.

                    This can go ahead because it will be viable. People will watch, money will be made, etc. As KG said, even if things step back from this point, it's only another delay of what is now seen as truly inevitable.

                    Liverpool do not want to play or share any type of broadcast revenue with Norwich. Arsenal want nothing to do with West Brom, on and on.

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                    • Suntan Superman
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                      • Feb 2009
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                      #3190
                      Re: 2020-2021 English Football Thread

                      JP Morgan has been behind some of the shadiest stuff on planet earth, no way they care what it looks like as long as it produces money
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                      • Suntan Superman
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                        #3191
                        Re: 2020-2021 English Football Thread

                        Originally posted by Krebstar
                        Before anyone thinks the threat of banning players for international competitions will put an end to this, there is a room full of lawyers laughing.

                        It may delay it, but to think that the threat/promise of it, whatever is enough to halt this—no.

                        so many lawyers are seeing so many dollar signs right now, almost everything resulting from this is gonna end up in litigation
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                        • KG
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                          #3192
                          Re: 2020-2021 English Football Thread

                          If you had Ander Herrera as the first player to publicly speak out past yourself on the back


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                          • Zac
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                            #3193
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                            The players are already ran ragged as it is. Adding another competition will make it worse. I can't see how any player would be for this. This will end up actually making the leagues more competitive. Where "non top teams" end up doing better in their leagues, due to all the "top teams" being crap from playing so many games (also increases chances of injuries not just tired legs). Could even start seeing more unique teams winning the UCL. Which isn't what these "top teams" want. Because then they aren't necessarily the "top teams" anymore. This whole thing is so stupid.

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                            • KG
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                              #3194
                              2020-2021 English Football Thread

                              I can see players buying in really quickly if they get their cut of the SUper League proceeds but yeah, I’m in the “over exhaustion” camp already.

                              That makes the top 15 clubs even more of a destination.


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                              • Brahvocado
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                                #3195
                                Re: 2020-2021 English Football Thread

                                Originally posted by KG

                                Make no mistake, the top clubs hold all the power in football. UEFA CL without these clubs would die. Domestic leagues without them would die. FIFA’s World Cup without the top players would die


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                                Tbh, the players themselves hold more if they decided to organize themselves against this. Can’t have a super league without players, a huge collective of top players refusing to play in the super league is probably the only thing that could actually prevent this from happening.

                                Might not even need a huge collective. I’d imagine Messi and Ronaldo by themselves could do a good amount of damage.

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