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Old 06-17-2014, 10:27 PM   #73
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I know you know this but since you seemed to ignore it and claim it as "not an EA issue" it needs to pointed out that Peter Moore didn't take over until 2007 (see any correlation?).

And before you go back to "before you guys can remember" know that I have been playing madden since the PC days and yes I agree it was a great game then.

That in no way shape or form has any relevance to whatever point you are trying to make with this post.
The game has improved drastically under Andrew Wilson, so I guess maybe that's part of it too.
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Old 06-17-2014, 10:31 PM   #74
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I think its insane that people are still hyping this game and criticising those who arent before it is even out. After dissapointment year after year we have every right to be critical and pessimistic. How about the company you love release something worth changing the consensus for once?
The problem is that we only have previous maddens to compare to, either that or NFL 2K5 (which really is a thorn in madden if we CAN STILL compare it to a game 9 years and two consoles ago).
And no, we are not after a perfect game just one that meets realistic expectations of where we are at in time which is the year 2014 - if you've played football games for as long as i have (since 95 on pc) you get an understanding of where football games should be by now as the technology evolves. Madden however falls short of where it SHOULD be.
I think Madden deserves all the scrutiny in the world, when you monopolize the market and release an inadequate product each year (coincidentally straight after monopolization) then they deserve every piece of flak they get on this site in my opinion.

Speaking of M25, there are still ridiculous issues with that game that have remained in it since previous titles. Why is it, whenever i have the ability to challenge a play and i choose not to, moments before the next play starts my team challenges it automatically? I have lost games cause i have had no timeouts because the game automatically challenges for me and EVERY SINGLE TIME the call has been upheld. This happened in madden 13!!!!! How does this get past QA??
So is me expecting the game not to screw me out of my timeouts is wanting a "perfect" game?
I could write a list of these types of things, how about the wind being reversed for not the first time in a madden game? Or how for three games in a row the CPU called timeouts at 1:01 in the second and fourth quarter.
Do you think 2K would overlook such small yet mind numbing details like this? I think we all know the answer. NBA 2K isn't a perfect game either, but it is leaps and bounds ahead of where madden is in terms of a sport title. Im not even an avid fan of the NBA but i find myself playing NBA 2K cause i find it an amazing and entertaining game, even last night i heard some commentary i've never heard before but when i put on M25 i hear Chris Simms say " dont try and be a heeero, cause when you try and be a heeero..." atleast twice a game. There is no personality in the commentary but the nba commentary actually makes me laugh at times. NBA 2K makes me enjoy NBA games because of how well it is executed. Madden causes me frustration cause im obsessed with football and can only get my fix through it and yet i know we should have a far better product by now, which is why i still go back to All pro football 2K8 which to this day, i still think is the best football game out.

These games just seem incomplete, rushed and poorly executed. Why has it taken 10 years to focus on defense again? Defense is my favourite aspect of football and i've had to wait 10 years for them to give it attention? And all we get is new pass rush moves? (not even gonna acknowledge the tackle cone) cmon, that could of been implemented years ago without all the "defensive focus" hype. The fact that pass rush moves have been assigned to the analog this long was a joke anyway, the amount of times i've hit stick tackled cause i've broken a block without knowing it right away or pre-empted a block but flicked it too early is frustrating cause the stick is so unresponsive compared to buttons. Play All pro football 2k8 and you will find the best line play hands down, the moves being assinged to the triggers was great and we're talking about a game made in 07.
How about some new tackle animations? i see the same ones make it in the next game year after year.
before NBA 2K14 was released the devs reached out and asked the community what dunks they want to see in the game cause they were having their motion capture people working on it - how awesome is that?
Why can't we have an input in these tackles and break tackle animations? Why isn't there gang tackle animations still?
Don't care if i get banned from this site cause of these posts, im just sick of people telling me what i should expect when i've been playing football games for 20 years and i remember games like NFL quarterback club 2001 played great for its time straight out of the box, no need for elaborate sliders to make it decent. These games are still fresh in my memory and i miss having different titles to choose from.
Bravo, Bravo! Couldnt have said it better myself! Been playing 2k8 the last few nights, great fun! All while my madden 25 sits in a box with my ps4 in the closet. I myself have been playing football video games since Tecmo bowl and dont ever plan on stopping! Its just always been my biggest passion/hobby that along with the NFL! Some people think its just a game, who cares, find something else to do, blah blah, ect. ect. but not to me, I just love me some NFL and a great NFL football video game is the perfect compliment! And because we dont have that yet, I find myself on here instead of playing! Seems like more people are on here fed up like me instead of enjoying a great game of NFL football????????
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Old 06-17-2014, 10:32 PM   #75
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The game has improved drastically under Andrew Wilson, so I guess maybe that's part of it too.
"Drastically" is VERY subjective.

I'm glad you consider it to be so but I certainly don't but you are missing my overall point.


I think Ian was a fantastic producer/developer but he was so handcuffed that he couldn't do what he wanted which is why he left. To each their own I guess.
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"Drastically" is VERY subjective.

I'm glad you consider it to be so but I certainly don't but you are missing my overall point.


I think Ian was a fantastic producer/developer but he was so handcuffed that he couldn't do what he wanted which is why he left. To each their own I guess.
That's what I meant by lack of direction, Ian didn't have a Cam or Rex supporting his vision, without vision people perish.
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That's what I meant by lack of direction, Ian didn't have a Cam or Rex supporting his vision, without vision people perish.
So in one post you are saying it was never an EA problem and now you are agreeing that it was?

By saying it's a lack of direction you are saying it's an EA problem......
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It obviously goes back to the last gen transition. madden 06 was terrible all the way through Madden 09. Madden 10 is where things finally started looking up and it made tangible strides and year to year it has improved. Madden 25 has lasted the longest for me since 05. My only only issue with that is that it took 9 years to finally get to that point. I know it has flaws but finding the right community/sliders/mindset does wonders for this game.

Many of us have also the developmental ups and downs from year to year and developer to developer. And we know what their vision is and I think many of us know that their genuine interest their vision. This is an ea sports game but they also have their boss which is EA. I've always had the mindset to not really blame the developers but look further up the ladder to find where maybe the lack of support for different features or even the direction the game itself goes. Its no coincidence that we've heard about disgruntled employees who due to creative differences.
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Maybe so but I highly doubt that will happen with this team, the improvement speaks for itself and Madden was one of the best sports games made before a lot of you can remember. Going back to 92, the good years FAR outweigh the bad so this isn't a EA issue, it's a dev team and lack of direction from 06-12 issue.
You have a resume and a job application sitting in EA's headquarters don't you..
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The need a package of about 10 kicker specific celebrations.

1) extra point - minimal celebration
2) mid game FG - minimal celebration
3) late game FG to tie or take lead - mild celebration
4) winning FG regular season - heavy celebration

For the rest increase them as the playoffs and Super Bowl come around.
Agreed. It takes me out of the game so quickly when i have a 12 play dive stall out at the 6 resulting in settling for a fg and the holder jumps up and down like we've won the game.
IRL players don't celebrate like that.

As long as I'm on the topic, celebrations in general need to be much more situational.
I really hate when the DB breaks on a pass and drops a sure pick-6 and starts celebrating the breakup of the pass. He should have his head in his hands in frustration.

There should also be individual restrictions to what celebrations each player can perform. Yes, there are a small handful of players that MIGHT find themselves using LeBron's celebration, but the other 99% wouldn't. That makes these celebrations just look ridiculous.
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