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Matt10 09-19-2024 05:57 PM

EA SPORTS FC25 OS Community Sliders
 
Brief History and Origin:
We have been working on FIFA sliders since FIFA 15 as a community. The goal is always to achieve the closest realism the game gives us.

How we test:
Always in Career Mode. You are investing in sliders for a reason, and most of the time that is to play in Career Mode. So, it only makes sense to test in that same environment. With so many values to be looked at, and those values being in 1 point increments, it is very easy to come up with multiple versions of sliders. We will always test on Default first, then identify the main areas to look at. From there, it's about collaborating and finding workarounds for those problem areas. With sliders, it is always a balancing act, fix one thing - potentially break the next.

Helpful Reminders:
As always, remember that the thread moves very fast. I will do my best to update this Original Post as much as possible. I have learned a lot about how to be the "project manager" of this whole thing, so if I do not respond to every post, it is either because it got lost in the shuffle, or that replying to it would deter the thread from achieving the goal of establishing a slider set.

The Main Rules of the Thread:
1. Do not post your own full set. This deters the entire thread. All slider values are relative to one another, so if we see a value like 30 pass speed with a line length of 70, then that's not relevant to someone using a 50 pass speed with a line length of 35. It's better to leave it out of the thread, and create your own.

2. Feedback in Animation. The Match Stats only give so much information. Telling us the CPU has 99% passing is not helpful. Were they passing the ball through the backline the entire time? Details are important, and throughout the years I have asked for details in animations. What this means is simply "What do you see"? Is the CPU having that high passing because your defending players are too slow? Too far away? Too wide? In the end, VIDEO NEVER LIES, so if you have video to provide - please do so. That will save so much time and less of a Q&A.

3. We are not your customer service. This is a collaboration space. No-one is being paid here by EA. Provide feedback because you want to help, not because you feel entitled to let us do all the hard work and you sit back and criticize.

4. Respect each other. Thankfully, we have not run into this issue as much, but there have been times where it's close. First, regarding myself, I am the project manager here. What that means is I am going for a goal, and discussion about conspiracies, theories or ET is not going to be helpful. Secondly, we all have opinions and some know how to filter them, some do not. There is a message there, so do not get offended if someone disagrees with you. We love the game, and just want what is best for it - so keep it civil!

5. Please keep general impressions in the FIFA impressions thread, not here. This is a solution based thread, and general complaints will be ignored. We understand each iteration of FIFA has issues, what game doesn't, but we are given the tools to find workarounds. Remember, this is a slider thread, which means the sample size of play is significantly increased. Chances are if you are having an issue, we have most likely looked at it.
FC25 Tactics (from Coach):
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My only caution about Custom Behavior sliders is that there is a LOT going on between Tactics, FCIQ and sliders this year. Losing some of that variability with a custom set of these sliders might not get the desired results. I have had teams at build up speed less than 10 play totally different from each other still. Yeah sometimes a bit too passive other times too aggressive. Just like real life. You ever yell at your club to "MOVE THE BALL FASTER" still seeing dynamic give me the most variety and play style variation that makes using my tactics and playstyle and changing it mid game worthwile in a way I haven't in previous Fifa's. There is stuff going on under the hood we still don't fully have a grasp on.
Link to OS Tactics Thread: https://forums.operationsports.com/f...post2050995014

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Here is a list of the CPU Behavior Sliders that have been customized by some OS Community forum members (thanks to Vanuatu for compiling the list):

g98smith’s Set 2:
Tackle Aggression: 62
Build-up Speed: 50
Shot Frequency: 62
First Touch Pass Frequency: 32
Crossing Frequency: 82
Dribble Frequency: 50
Skill Move Frequency: 40

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Changelog & Updates:

Timestamp: 2/12/25

We gave this one a solid test, and the good thing is the majority of the values are intact from Version 6 Beta 2. The main test has been responding to the Title Update 9 that emphasizes adjustments for Sim Mode. Testers have been performing in Sim Mode specifically to see the correlation between the OS Sliders. We took some of the HLW values that were positive, such as Length and Width as a result. At this point, the compactness is more important than upfield pressure that gets easily exploited. It feels a bit like FIFA 21 where we had to have length so low to keep from defenses constantly being exposed in the same fashion. With the current set up though, there's been a great variety in games and less of a route-one entrance into different teams' defenses.

Looking for some feedback if you can. One adjustment as well was raising build up speed in G98's CPU Sliders to 50 from 45. Just a bit sense of urgency needed that the CPU can identify attacking positions slightly better.

Thanks to the testers who have been really focused on comparing values and behaviors of the Sim Mode and slider sets.

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Version 6 Beta 3 testing values:



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Thanks to discord testers: bman, laxing_ , Hapa90, jrn, TopSide, atsmash, Aaron458f, goblue8118, QB,Urkaun
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FC 25 OS Community Sliders website: https://ea-fc25-community-slider-zt8hywd.gamma.site/
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Version Logs

Version 6 Beta 2:
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Version 5 + Version 6 Beta 1:
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Version 5 Complete
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Gameplay videos:

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FIFA OS Sliders Archive:
EA FC24 OS Sliders
FIFA 23 OS Sliders
FIFA 22 OS Sliders
FIFA 21 OS Sliders
FIFA 20 OS Sliders
FIFA 19 OS Sliders
FIFA 18 OS Sliders
FIFA 17 OS Sliders
FIFA 16 OS Sliders
FIFA 15 OS Sliders
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chupidag 09-19-2024 08:14 PM

Re: EA SPORTS FC25 OS Community Sliders
 
Really curious about what you cook this year. Played a little with the simulation sliders and it was pretty good. There are also some new CPU Sliders now (how aggressive they play and stuff).

CalCPFC 09-20-2024 02:38 AM

Re: EA SPORTS FC25 OS Community Sliders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt10 (Post 2050989068)
This is a place-holder for now. Go ahead and leave comments as there will be just this first post needed. Thanks!

Really excited for this year matt whats your thoughts so far of the game if you've had a chance to play?

Falken 09-20-2024 02:41 AM

Re: EA SPORTS FC25 OS Community Sliders
 
It's that time of the year, boys! Super excited to see what FC IQ combined with Matt10 IQ can bring this year. About to play my first match, can't wait

Cobra1204 09-20-2024 03:27 AM

Re: EA SPORTS FC25 OS Community Sliders
 
Just a quick question, i tried to play the game for the first time and keep getting the following error: You do not have the necessary permissions to advance. did someone encounter this please? thanks

hecbel 09-20-2024 05:02 AM

Re: EA SPORTS FC25 OS Community Sliders
 
Hi mates! Another year has started.

I bought the game because my local team as promoted again to LaLiga Hypermotion. This is the third FIFA that I can play with them.

My first impressions can't be worse.

The new tactics menu is good in concept, but bad gameplay wise.

I could make my playstyle better in FC24 than in the new game.

I can't adjust the wide of the team, the number of players that go into the final third, the number of player who goes to corner kicks... It's a disaster.

The biggest problem I have found so far is that players don't react to the ball or to the rival. They move according to what you've selected in tactics. But they are dumb as f***. Players don't have a perception of their space. It's horrible.

In my first match, I played with a 3-2-4-1. The midfielders were CMs, not CDMs. Guess what happened... Yes. They didn't defend the box! Like in FIFA 21. War flashes came to my head. At least turning them into CDMs fixed that. But you have to be careful with your tactics, or your player will break the game because he don't react to the opposite players.

Players movement give me FIFA 17 vibes. Not in a good way. It feels I'm not playing a PS5 360 movement controls. More like PS4 8 directions controls.

I think this is the end of my rant for today.

hecbel 09-20-2024 05:07 AM

Re: EA SPORTS FC25 OS Community Sliders
 
If you want my advice right now (09/20/2024).

Buy the game if your main goal is to play with the new kits.

Otherwise, in the current state of the game, don't buy it if you want to enjoy a good football game.

If you have access to PC mods, or simply don't care about new kits, do the transfers by yourself and enjoy FC24 or older games.

Barata 09-20-2024 07:28 AM

Re: EA SPORTS FC25 OS Community Sliders
 
For the first time in many years im excited with a FIFA/EAFC game. Played 5 matches last night and they were fun and competitive. I play on Legendary but I felt the need to go back to WC for the first time since FIFA 16. Game feels harder this year, CPU is smarter. I went straight with the simulation sliders, didn't even test the default one.

It's not perfect though. One weird thing is that they removed the game speed option. Simulation sliders work with 55 acc so game feels faster than it should. But we still have room to improve with Matt's sliders and more so with the new only-CPU sliders which I believe will be a game changer.


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