Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

[23]

Quote: Originally Posted by ex carrabba fan

It's not an argument since it's obvious that most if not all pro athletes on team sports are overpaid. What you said, is like saying the sky is blue.

Its really not a matter of that, its just the fact that look, its happening again..and right after they locked out because of this (When the season hasn't even started yet)

...its a discussion board or so I thought it was

[The 24th Letter]

Everyone forgets about players like Jon Koncak.....6 years, 13 million.....more than MJ, Magic and Bird were making at the time...lol

I was just stating that overpaying underskilled players is nothing new...

[Dice]

Quote: Originally Posted by 23

I dont know why. The players I mentioned put in the kind of work where they could justify the pay rate, then or now. One of the biggest reasons for this entire fiasco was because of this very thing happening right now, again. This is an entirely different case altogether and honestly who cares about a fantasy scenario because looking at history, those guys won in their time and that's all that matters. Its not even about basketball like it was back then... this is beside the point I was making... You are throwing in an argument you really agree with me on. Guys are making tons of money they dont even have to earn now.

The whole point I was bring up is the numbers. Yes, I agree that players back then were much more serious about their craft than players are now. BUT to bring up the dollar amounts to prove your point does not justify it at all. Dollar amounts back then is entirely different from 25 years ago. What's considered chump change now was a huge amount back then. The money is relative to the era.

My intention of the second argument wasn't to relate it to the first argument. So I'm not getting at why you feel the need to shoot it down as labeling it as 'fantasy'? We all post hypothetical scenarios all the time on this board. So who cares? Well, maybe I do. I'm just stating. If you agree, then fine. If you disagree, then that's fine as well. And in no way shape or form am I discrediting those Lakers and Celtics teams from winning their championships. Your right. They won those championships fair and square. All I'm saying is that they played under different economical rules back then that would have been a lot harder for them to keep their nucleus together if they worked under today's economical rules. The comparison is no different when people say a prime Michael Jordan would score more points in today's game because of the rules favoring the offensive player.

[King_B_Mack]

Quote: Originally Posted by 23

I just stated a fact, im not sure where the arguing is coming from. Point being, along with that fact, we just witnessed some of the most selfish people in the world fight over something, lose games people their jobs, all to come back and do it again They dont have to produce anymore to get outrageous money King B...dude this is an NBA discussion in an nba forum. Nobody cares about the grocery store or inflation, we're talking basketball. If it was a worthless discussion then you guys have no reason to contribute to it. What im seeing you do is making no sense to me.

What you're seeing me do? What am I doing? You brought up dudes not producing and getting paid more than what they're worth and I brought up an example of why it's time to get over that. I know it's an NBA dicussion and I'm well aware it's the NBA forum, suddenly we can't draw comparisons to anything unless it's basketball related? Everyday on this forum we use examples from outside of the sports world to make a point and now it's suddenly no good?

Bottomline is every aspect of life has people getting compensation that they don't deserve in relation to the service they've done for that payment, so why should it be of greater concern that it's happening in the NBA?

[ehh]

At the risk of sounding like a total idiot (maybe I'm missing something obvious) can someone explain to me how the hell it's "significantly better financially" for CP3/Duhwight to get traded?

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The financial implications for Dwight Howard and Chris Paul are significant depending on where they want to spend their future. Howard can play the entire 11-12 season with the Magic, opt out of his deal and ends up elsewhere (by signing outright or sign-and-trade) for $80.5 million over four seasons. If he gets traded before the deadline, opts out and then re-signs with the team that acquired him, he can sign for $110.8 million over five seasons. If Paul plays the entire season with the Hornets and ends up elsewhere, he can receive up to $75.8 million over four seasons. If he gets traded to another teams, opts out and then re-signs with that team, he can receive up to $100.2 million over five seasons

Duhwight
Free Agent ($80m/4 yr): He's making $20m a year
Extends ($110m/5 yr): He's making $22m a year

CP3
Free Agent: $19m a year
Extends: $20m a year

I just don't get it. Your contract ends a year earlier if you go the free agent route so you can begin the second "prime contact" of your career. Plus who knows what the first year of your second contract will bring, it may be more than the 5th year of your extended contract or make up for the small difference over those four seasons.

Assuming a balanced structure to each contract...

CP3 as a Free Agent
2013: $19m
2014: $19m
2015: $19m
2016: $19m
2017: New Deal

CP3 on a Sign-n-Extend
2013: $20m
2014: $20m
2015: $20m
2016: $20m
2017: $20m

Given the nature of salaries rising, people are assuming CP3 is going to be making $19m or less in the first year of his next contract in 2017? If he's making $22m in the first year of his new contract in 2017 then in 2013-2017 he'll make $2m less in total salary than if he sign-n-extends.

I guess you're guaranteed the 2017 salary in case you get injured or your production falls off a cliff but damn, it just doesn't seem like THAT big of a deal to me.

[tehova]

Quote: Originally Posted by The 24th Letter

Everyone forgets about players like Jon Koncak.....6 years, 13 million.....more than MJ, Magic and Bird were making at the time...lol I was just stating that overpaying underskilled players is nothing new...

Guaranteed minimum salaries are going to REQUIRE teams have to overpay role players, imagine how happy that is going to make people


Non -related fact: Forget Bynum was suspended to start the season

[1Rose]

Bulls pursuing Nick Young.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story...rds-nick-young

[ProfessaPackMan]

Nets considering extending an offer sheet to RFA Arron Afflalo, along with the Bulls and Lakers.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...opular-afflalo