12:06 PM - June 15, 2016 by Steve_OS
FSB has posted their FIFA 17 hands-on impressions from E3 2016. They talk about the Frostbite engine, The Journey, physical play, attacking depth, set pieces and much more.
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FIFA 17 News Post
12:06 PM - June 15, 2016 by Steve_OSFSB has posted their FIFA 17 hands-on impressions from E3 2016. They talk about the Frostbite engine, The Journey, physical play, attacking depth, set pieces and much more.
Member Comments
# 1
TheLetterZ @ 06/15/16 12:48 PM
Anything that leads to more variety among AI teams sounds great to me.
Sounds great, I just hope the defensive AI has also been upgraded. Otherwise is sounds like the offense may be a bit OP'd, a la PES 2016.
If they can really focus on player individuality ( and team tactics) that will be personally be huge for me. I have always felt like this was something incredibly lacking in this Franchise. I am guessing the previous engine kind of hindered what they could do with this.
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SVCbearcat10 @ 06/15/16 02:36 PM
In PES, I think goalies were under powered more than offense being over powered. It would be great to get variety. However, I'm sure FIFA hasn't fixed the fact that a team like Shrewsbury Town plays every bit as well, and with every bit the skill, as a team like Manchester United.
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bigeastbumrush @ 06/15/16 07:30 PM
2 things:
1. Unless I missed it, they've haven't addressed teams playing like their real life counterparts.
2. The Be A Pro Mode- why start this kid off in the Premier League at what 17 yrs old?
1. Unless I missed it, they've haven't addressed teams playing like their real life counterparts.
2. The Be A Pro Mode- why start this kid off in the Premier League at what 17 yrs old?
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Also this isn't Be a Pro Mode, its a separate mode altogether.
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TheLetterZ @ 06/16/16 09:28 AM
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# 11
TheLetterZ @ 06/16/16 09:52 AM
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Skill is portrayed well in FIFA. The fast players are fast. The strong players are strong. Good dribblers dribble well.
Tendencies are where I have a big problem with FIFA. One of the most beautiful things to me about the sport is how many different strategic approaches a team can take. Even at the highest levels, there exists much strategic variety among top teams. FIFA reflects this fact poorly. The good teams and players play nearly alike in terms of strategic choices. It's disappointing, and I feel like it wouldn't fly in other sports games.
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It should be hard to take them out of the game, especially if you don't have to man mark them.
# 13
TheLetterZ @ 06/16/16 12:43 PM
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And I find it bizarre it is normal and acceptable in FIFA.
Imagine a Madden in which the Patriots and Bills ran the ball with the same frequency, or an NBA 2K in which Stephen Curry shot threes as often as Eric Bledsoe or John Wall.
It wouldn't fly.
But it's somehow normal behavior in FIFA for teams and star players to play more or less the same.
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I don't know why either haven't addressed these issues, but I would think tendencies would be the easier challenge.
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TheLetterZ @ 06/16/16 07:45 PM
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I actually think the lack of distinct team styles (NOT differences in quality from say a Barcelona and Watford) coupled with lack of individuality is the biggest issue facing the series. It creates generic'ness and can lead to stale repetitive gameplay. What's odd is that when you play with those guys you can feel the difference in players but it somehow doesn't translate to the CPU.
I picked up Hazard in my Milan MM and on the ball he's as dangerous as he is in real life when on form. Same with Neymar who I use when managing the Selecao. Even players like Higuain who are primarily "ball-to-feet" #9's feel unique but I never get the feeling that they're dangerous when playing them. It's always obscure players that cause me issues.
The only real big time player I have had to play close attention to was Pogba. Big, strong, fast, and with a lethal shot from distance I had to actually recognize where he was at all times.
Back on topic....I don't expect wholesale gameplay changes from FIFA 17 because to be honest, it's not needed. What's needed is refinement and tweaks here & there mixed in with the above.
# 18
bad_philanthropy @ 06/17/16 09:25 AM
Would be nice if instruction, and "organized" tactics actually meant something when it came to player behavior.
Too often I see my CDM or even CB in an advanced position. The other day I was trying to counter and the damn CB was running out in front around of me for midfield some reason and I lost the ball when he decided to cut in front of me and knocked it away.
It sounds like the AI revamp is supposed to address some of this. I also hope this means they do a better job balancing AI difficulty/momentum. I understand adaptive difficulty needs to be a thing for gameplay variety purposes, but it needs some work to feel more organic.
Too often I see my CDM or even CB in an advanced position. The other day I was trying to counter and the damn CB was running out in front around of me for midfield some reason and I lost the ball when he decided to cut in front of me and knocked it away.
It sounds like the AI revamp is supposed to address some of this. I also hope this means they do a better job balancing AI difficulty/momentum. I understand adaptive difficulty needs to be a thing for gameplay variety purposes, but it needs some work to feel more organic.
FIFA, for years, has not been designed around individuality. The code clearly states on Overall (OVR) values, not individual player ID's.
The main problem with FIFA's determination code is the fact that it operates on Overall values. Such as Team Overall, Player Overall, etc.
The reason PES of the old days was so great is because it didn't use OVR values. FIFA's code is built on that, and then on situations.
What would be best, to me, is add in a rating such as "tactical discipline" for each player. This rating would determine just how disciplined the player is to sticking to their prescribed instructions on the tactics. Obviously, the lower value, the lower chance he is to carry out the instructions, and the higher, the more "rigid" and unwavering he is.
All of that doesn't matter if the CTT's aren't fixed. Player individuality will stand out when OVR is removed or they take a page out of PES book and add in the player cards (fox in the box, anchor man, etc) to force recognize those individuals.
The main problem with FIFA's determination code is the fact that it operates on Overall values. Such as Team Overall, Player Overall, etc.
The reason PES of the old days was so great is because it didn't use OVR values. FIFA's code is built on that, and then on situations.
What would be best, to me, is add in a rating such as "tactical discipline" for each player. This rating would determine just how disciplined the player is to sticking to their prescribed instructions on the tactics. Obviously, the lower value, the lower chance he is to carry out the instructions, and the higher, the more "rigid" and unwavering he is.
All of that doesn't matter if the CTT's aren't fixed. Player individuality will stand out when OVR is removed or they take a page out of PES book and add in the player cards (fox in the box, anchor man, etc) to force recognize those individuals.
# 20
TheLetterZ @ 06/17/16 10:21 AM
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And I have to think they could really run with the marketing for it too ...
"Messi plays like Messi!"
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