Werewolf XCVIII - 24 Day Game Over - Post 2899

[hoopsguy]

And if BK can't cover the action I'll take a part of it as well.

[hoopsguy]

OK, where is everyone? The show is about to start!

[Danny]

Let's go!

[path12]

I'm here!

[Barkeep49]

Each of you has been brought into a secured teleconference (brought to you by Cisco) to discuss the emergence of a new threat. Rumors have blossomed quickly over the past hour but few know anything more than the name being whispered on everyone's lips - "The Conspiracy".

Barkeep49, the Head of Homeland Security, leads the meeting. Former vice president Noah Daniels has been found murdered at his estate. The news of this will almost certainly become public in the next few hours. The Secret Service and Federal Bureau of Investigations have begun work on the investigation and believe that Daniels was aligned with a group known for now as "The Conspiracy". The makeup of this group is unknown at this time; until earlier this morning no one knew of the existence of the group. However, anyone who could gain entry into the home of a former Vice President and carry out an execution must be extremely connected and extremely motivated.

The Counter Terrorist Unit (CTU) is being asked to assume a leadership position in the investigation while working in conjunction with other agencies. Special Agent Jack Bauer will be the point person for the operation. As is so often the case in these matters, the people above and below Bauer on the organizational chart do not matter as much as the results that Bauer is able to consistently generate. Full cooperation is expected in efforts to ascertain the relationship between Daniels and "The Conspiracy" and to determine the goals of this organization going forward.

Day 1 is underway! Remember to include both GMs on any PMs you sent. You can send 4 PMs per 24 hours.

[hoopsguy]

Where is that damn clock to create a sense of drama?

[Danny]

No deaths yet? No explosions yet?

[path12]

So nothing happened night zero? Or just nothing that outwardly affects us?

[hoopsguy]

Nah, Night 0 is boring :) In all seriousness, we'll post what happened on Night 0 after the game.

Day 1? To be determined.

[Autumn]

Hmm, interesting. So this Daniels may have been a bad guy? I expect there will be some detective work involved here. We should talk about a strategy for voting. We can control the pace of the game some, so I would think it would be best to draw out each day in order to get as many actions in as we can, at least until the point that we've started to get some data to go on.

[Danny]

Hmm, interesting. So this Daniels may have been a bad guy? I expect there will be some detective work involved here. We should talk about a strategy for voting. We can control the pace of the game some, so I would think it would be best to draw out each day in order to get as many actions in as we can, at least until the point that we've started to get some data to go on.

This largely depends on the night kill ability of the conspirators. If they get a kill every 24 hours, it would be a mistake to draw out lynches as that gives them more kills than we have. Also, using this strategy does give the wolves more potential excuses for making certain votes.

[path12]

I notice Daniels wasn't in the name of possible characters. It was too much to hope that it might give bad guys one less role to try and poach.

[Autumn]

True, but I think it may make sense in the beginning when we don't have anything to vote on yet. We want to lynch less in the beginning and more later on.

It depends on the schedules our actions are on too though. For example if scans are based on 24 hours, or days, or what. I presume though that not all abilities are stuck to the day cycle.

[path12]

This largely depends on the night kill ability of the conspirators. If they get a kill every 24 hours, it would be a mistake to draw out lynches as that gives them more kills than we have. Also, using this strategy does give the wolves more potential excuses for making certain votes.

We can't really drag it out too long if a lynch will happen every 23rd-24th hour or so. I guess day 1 could last until you get 40% on somebody......

But if the question is "should there be any circumstances in which a 'no lynch' policy would be beneficial", I don't see one offhand.

[JAG]

This largely depends on the night kill ability of the conspirators. If they get a kill every 24 hours, it would be a mistake to draw out lynches as that gives them more kills than we have. Also, using this strategy does give the wolves more potential excuses for making certain votes.

There's also the possibility that the conspirators get powers that can be used every say 36 hours, in which case it makes sense to try and get lynches done more quickly. I think the thing is, at this point in time, we're missing some information we'd need to make the correct call here.

Gonna head to bed for now.

[path12]

Strike "should there". Replace with "are there". My opinion is the same though.

[The Jackal]

Completely irrelevant, but I had to post this in the spirit of the game (and to possibly piss off PB):

Preliminary talks on a contract extension have started between Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren and Pronger’s agent, Pat Morris. Morris said Pronger has never gone into a season with only one year left on a deal.


They’ll get a player who wants to play into his 40s and insists he doesn’t feel his age.


“Twenty-four. Call me Jack Bauer,” he said.

[Autumn]

I definitely don't want a no lynch, I want a voting record. But since in this game it seems it would be possible to get a lynch near instantly if we wanted to, I thought I should address that issue. I think lynching fast at the beginning would help the wolves.

[DaddyTorgo]

Jack Bauer believes in always lynching!

[path12]

I definitely don't want a no lynch, I want a voting record. But since in this game it seems it would be possible to get a lynch near instantly if we wanted to, I thought I should address that issue. I think lynching fast at the beginning would help the wolves.

Y'know, I think it's a damned if you do damned if you don't thing.

If we come up with a couple possibles (no shows, etc), I don't really have a problem with getting some early information via a lynch.

What I sometimes find more destructive to the villagers chances in WW is the nitpicky small thing that blows up into a showdown that overshadows everything else until all of the people involved are outed or lynched.

[DaddyTorgo]

that's very true Path. I think that's a very wise observation you've made there in your last couple sentences.

[ISiddiqui]

As this is my first game, point out to me if I'm saying something wildly off the wall and stupid (I can take it). I'd assume that we'd want some more information before we lynch someone, but of course holding off for too long wouldn't be sound. So I think a middle ground would be best. Lynching fast would probably be too rash. And dawdling too long wouldn't be too helpful either (though I'm not sure at all how long is too long in the info gathering phase).

[DaddyTorgo]

ISiddiqui - editing posts isn't allowed in WW (you could conceivably be editing out something you said that revealed yourself or gave a clue to a teammate). No harm no foul, just saying.

[hoopsguy]

ISiddiqui - one of the first lessons of Werewolf: do not edit posts in the thread. This was not posted in the rules thread but it should have been ... just one of those things that I forgot to add since it has been such a long-standing rule in these games.

[DaddyTorgo]

haha - i'm faster than HOOPSGUY!!!!!

[ISiddiqui]

Oops, sorry! Was just adding the last parenthetical to my post (and fixing a typo or two!!)

[hoopsguy]

The "no edit" rule ensures everyone on this forum (with the exception of the moderators, most of the time) sucks at speling over the long hual.

[Barkeep49]

Not to have a disagreement between mom and dad but I feel the sort of immediate editing ISiddiqui did is alright and am sorry that has fallen out of favor in place of a rigid fundamentalism about editing.

[DaddyTorgo]

*shrugs* it doesn't bother me one way or another. just figured i'd be a bit less of a freak about it then some others and i could be nice in pointing it out to him

[Autumn]

If we had an editing rule I would still be alive in the Labyrinth!

[Poli]

Tick, tick, tick...

[The Jackal]

I think you need to better classify the nature of the 24 ticking sound in writing, Poli. It's not a simple ticking.

[ISiddiqui]

It's more of a beep :D

[The Jackal]

Not to have a disagreement between mom and dad but I feel the sort of immediate editing ISiddiqui did is alright and am sorry that has fallen out of favor in place of a rigid fundamentalism about editing.

We mostly trust each other here, but I think if you stray from rigid fundamentalism in this case you're going to run into more headaches.

[The Jackal]

*shrugs* it doesn't bother me one way or another. just figured i'd be a bit less of a freak about it then some others and i could be nice in pointing it out to him

Certainly. Most of the games I've run here I've just avoided re-printing some commonly known rules without considering that some might need a reminder, so leniency is always a good thing, especially early in games.

[Poli]

Beep, beep, beep...

[The Jackal]

And now, to actually comment on the game.. I'm interested to see how the lynching plays out. Are we going to move towards our first lynch candidates being low-posters or have game events or character abilities interject? I feel like it won't be too far into this game before something weird/unexpected happens.

[BrianD]

I'm assuming that we aren't going to have much to go on in the first day, so I'm going to do something to hopefully jumpstart something.

Vote EagleFan

[henry296]

A vote from me at this time is completely random, so I will wait for tomorrow night before voting. I think it is advantageous at this time to wait almost the full 24 hours until the next lynch.

[Autumn]

So 40% of 24 would be 10 votes, I assume. So by 24 hours 10 votes will lynch. Presumably right now it's much higher than that. Am I thinking about this right?

I don't have a standard day one vote, so I don't have anyone to throw out for consideration at this point. Is there anyone who has not checked in?

[Danny]

So 40% of 24 would be 10 votes, I assume. So by 24 hours 10 votes will lynch. Presumably right now it's much higher than that. Am I thinking about this right?

I don't have a standard day one vote, so I don't have anyone to throw out for consideration at this point. Is there anyone who has not checked in?

My 100% guesstimates from page 3

26:00-26:59
25:00-25:59 = 20%
24:00-24:59 = 30%
23:00-23:59 = 40%
20:00-22:59 = 50%
15:00-19:59 = 60%
10:00-14:59 = 70%
5:00-9:59 = 80%
1:00-4:59 = 90%
0:00-1:00 = 100%

[Tyrith]

We can't really drag it out too long if a lynch will happen every 23rd-24th hour or so. I guess day 1 could last until you get 40% on somebody......

But if the question is "should there be any circumstances in which a 'no lynch' policy would be beneficial", I don't see one offhand.

This is hoops. This game is probably rigged to really hurt us if we don't lynch.

[Danny]

I know there's been some talk on two points so far.

1. Whether or not the wolves get a kill every X amount of hours or if a lynch is needed.

2. Whether after 24 hours, a lower and lower percentage of votes is needed to lynch or it stays at 40%

The answer to these questions can't be the wolves get a kill after lynched and the votes needed stays at 40%.

The answer could very well be the wolves get a kill every 24 hours and 2. could be either way.

The answer could be that the wolves get a kill for every lynch and the percentage of votes needed keeps getting smaller after 24 hours.

[Danny]

The reason it couldn't be a kill for every lynch and votes needed stays the same is we could draw the lynches out forever.

My best guess is the wolves get a kill every 24 hours and the second question could go either way. Having the wolves get that kill makes lynching a necessity and as Tyrith pointed out, not lynching should be a negative for the villager in most cases. That would accomplish it.

[Autumn]

Wow, I must be ready for bed. I couldnt' understand any of that Danny. I'll try again in the morning.

Though I hate sleeping in this game because I know anything could happen while I'm gone. I need the staying power of Jack Bauer.

[nfg22]

I dont know who to PM...so im not. I dont trust any of you. I almost trust DT.

[DaddyTorgo]

I dont know who to PM...so im not. I dont trust any of you. I almost trust DT.

i'm pretty sure if you should be trusting anybody it's me. after all i'm jack bauer. and i have a hot daughter...if you PM me she can be yours!

[nfg22]

I will pick her up at 7:00.

[DaddyTorgo]

i said can be, not that she would be for sure.

you might not even be alive by 7pm bucko!

[path12]

I will pick her up at 7:00.

I'll try to have her back by then.

[nfg22]

Vote Path12

[Danny]

So the PM count resets at 9pm central right? I don't suppose we get to stockpile unused PM's? :)

[DaddyTorgo]

Path has dibs on her

[DaddyTorgo]

So the PM count resets at 9pm central right? I don't suppose we get to stockpile unused PM's? :)

no no - it's 4 PM's within 24 hours

[path12]

Vote Path12

I LOL'd.

[Barkeep49]

no no - it's 4 PM's within 24 hours
This is correct. With-in any given 24 hour period you may have 4 PMs.

[DaddyTorgo]

lol oh i get it. the vote wasn't necessarily serious...it was cuz path dissed on your girl hmm?

[Barkeep49]

Wow, I must be ready for bed. I couldnt' understand any of that Danny. I'll try again in the morning.

Though I hate sleeping in this game because I know anything could happen while I'm gone. I need the staying power of Jack Bauer.
Just pointing out that we make no promises of coverage at any time, but especially between 2-6 AM Central. So if you want to sleep you've got a good 4 hours right there :)

[Danny]

Oh ok, so if I send my first PM at 6am and then three more after that, I would be able to send a PM again on 6am the following day.

[Barkeep49]

Oh ok, so if I send my first PM at 6am and then three more after that, I would be able to send a PM again on 6am the following day.
Correct.

[nfg22]

Yessir...unless your name is Path and you die.

[Poli]

Beep, beep, beep...

[kingfc22]

I've always been in favor of the lynch rather than no-lynch policy as a villager. The more information we have to analyze as the game goes on will give us the edge to out the wolves.

See you in the morning.

[Chief Rum]

I had this plan to read up on all this and have all this stuff to say, but frankly, no dice. Confused is not the word I would choose for my state of mind, but it's not far off. I understand what's going on, as much as anyone, but we're simply in a position where we don't have enough information to properly judge just WTH is going on. We might need to let some of our private role actions run their course to better determine what we will do.

So until then, I think I will not be doing the post circus tonight, but instead hope for some more action to guide us tomorrow. I will try to find time to check in from work. Should be before the full 24 hour deadline (yes, I realize we may not reach it, but I'm not ready to throw out the "just in case" Day One vote in a game like this).

[JAG]

I know there's been some talk on two points so far.

1. Whether or not the wolves get a kill every X amount of hours or if a lynch is needed.

2. Whether after 24 hours, a lower and lower percentage of votes is needed to lynch or it stays at 40%

The answer to these questions can't be the wolves get a kill after lynched and the votes needed stays at 40%.

The answer could very well be the wolves get a kill every 24 hours and 2. could be either way.

The answer could be that the wolves get a kill for every lynch and the percentage of votes needed keeps getting smaller after 24 hours.

I'm just quoting your post because you already had things nicely laid out. One thing I want to point out about 2. is a third possibility, that if we miss the 24 hour window for getting at least 40% of the votes on someone that there is no lynch, the wolves get to make their night kill, and votes get reset. The rules are ambiguous on that point:

For a lynch to occur the leading vote getter must have a certain % of the total player votes. The farther away from the last lynch it has been the lower the percentage that is required. It is unknown what % is needed at what time except that between 23 hours and 23 hours 59 minutes 59 seconds since the last lynch 40% of votes must be on the leading candidate in order for a lynch to occur. As soon as the required % is reached lynching will occur instantly, rendering invalid any votes cast after that one.

My guess regarding 1. is that their kills are going to be tied to our lynches, otherwise our best strategy would be to lynch as quickly as we could at all times to keep them at a disadvantage (to say it more simply, we'd get more lynches than they'd get night kills). I don't think this is the case personally.

I guess the question is, do we want to try to work the votes in some way to find out more information regarding the lynch / night kill system? The possibilities (and disadvantages) it seems to me are:

1. Pile on a lot of votes on someone to see what % is needed at an earlier time and to confirm that night kills are tied to lynches. Downsides for this one, less useful voting history, useful villager powers that are used every x hours will take longer to reset.

2. Have fewer than 40% of the votes on people at 24 hours to see what % is needed to lynch past that time and see if night kills are tied to lynches or time. Downsides are there may be no lynch if we can't get as much as 40% of the votes on someone by 24 hrs.

3. Because of 2's possibility of no-lynch, we ensure we have at least 40% of the votes on someone between 23-24 hrs. Downside is we don't learn as much about the system, but otherwise less overall risk than 1. and 2.

I'd like to see some people's thoughts on which way they think we should go. My vote will almost assuredly go to someone who is not contributing much.

[JAG]

Y'know, I think it's a damned if you do damned if you don't thing.

If we come up with a couple possibles (no shows, etc), I don't really have a problem with getting some early information via a lynch.

What I sometimes find more destructive to the villagers chances in WW is the nitpicky small thing that blows up into a showdown that overshadows everything else until all of the people involved are outed or lynched.

That's a great observation.

[JAG]

And now, to actually comment on the game.. I'm interested to see how the lynching plays out. Are we going to move towards our first lynch candidates being low-posters or have game events or character abilities interject? I feel like it won't be too far into this game before something weird/unexpected happens.

I don't disagree with your last sentence, but until we have something to work with, we just have to go with what makes the most sense. At this point we don't have any information regarding character abilities or if game events will occur. Personally early on I favor voting for low posters. If they are villagers, they aren't contributing a lot to working out what our strategy should be. I'd rather lynch someone for that than for a typo like what happened to Autumn last game.

[Alan T]

I guess the question is, do we want to try to work the votes in some way to find out more information regarding the lynch / night kill system? The possibilities (and disadvantages) it seems to me are:



We absolutely do NOT try to vote with the purpose of manipulating the vote count just to figure out what type of math is involved underneath the engine here. The biggest weapon that the villagers have is the vote track record. It is the reason why many people argue that you should always lynch in debates in some games. So if you are going to have a lynch, it needs to be done in a way to provide information for later days.

Chances are that whatever happens with the vote, we will still get information regarding 1) The math behind it and 2) How the wolf kill ties into it.

For either of those, it will likely take 2-3 lynch votes before we can narrow things down specifically, but if all three days a wolf kill occurs in the near timing to the lynch vote that should be a pretty good clue for us. As for the math, we should be able to start working out some of that regardless of when it occurs.

So the value added by forcing an early vote to determine early day vote percentages is very small compared to the value that is added later in the game when looking at who voted where and why.

[Thomkal]

We absolutely do NOT try to vote with the purpose of manipulating the vote count just to figure out what type of math is involved underneath the engine here. The biggest weapon that the villagers have is the vote track record. It is the reason why many people argue that you should always lynch in debates in some games. So if you are going to have a lynch, it needs to be done in a way to provide information for later days.

Chances are that whatever happens with the vote, we will still get information regarding 1) The math behind it and 2) How the wolf kill ties into it.

For either of those, it will likely take 2-3 lynch votes before we can narrow things down specifically, but if all three days a wolf kill occurs in the near timing to the lynch vote that should be a pretty good clue for us. As for the math, we should be able to start working out some of that regardless of when it occurs.

So the value added by forcing an early vote to determine early day vote percentages is very small compared to the value that is added later in the game when looking at who voted where and why.

I agree Alan. And if we are assuming the wolves need a lynch before they get a night kill, then we probably want to delay that lynch as much as possible. That gives us more time to use any special actions our characters might have and for any info generated by them to come out.

[OOC: It's my day to have a migraine it seems, so not sure how much I will be able to post today, sorry about that.]

[JAG]

We absolutely do NOT try to vote with the purpose of manipulating the vote count just to figure out what type of math is involved underneath the engine here. The biggest weapon that the villagers have is the vote track record. It is the reason why many people argue that you should always lynch in debates in some games. So if you are going to have a lynch, it needs to be done in a way to provide information for later days.

Chances are that whatever happens with the vote, we will still get information regarding 1) The math behind it and 2) How the wolf kill ties into it.

For either of those, it will likely take 2-3 lynch votes before we can narrow things down specifically, but if all three days a wolf kill occurs in the near timing to the lynch vote that should be a pretty good clue for us. As for the math, we should be able to start working out some of that regardless of when it occurs.

So the value added by forcing an early vote to determine early day vote percentages is very small compared to the value that is added later in the game when looking at who voted where and why.

Ok, that makes sense.

[Poli]

Beep, beep, beep...

[BrianD]

So at this point, we have two votes, right? One for EagleFan and one for Path12? We will never have a reason to lynch the poor, unfortunate day-1 soul. Let's get some votes going and create that vote history.

[PurdueBrad]

Don't worry, it will give me time to prepare my vote. Unless you want to talk about a new sig? :rant:

:D

New sig, are you crazy?!? Did you not see what all happened since I adopted this!


We'll talk.

[PurdueBrad]

(and to possibly piss off PB):


As good a reason for a day 1 vote as any! Well, that and I'm bitter at missing Labyrinth (my fault, not his but I'll still blame him).

vote The Jackal

[PurdueBrad]

Out again for a while, will be back on around 3 pm CST and for the rest of the night.

[Passacaglia]

Might as well make my voice heard...

VOTE BRIAND

[PurdueBrad]

As far as the role reveal discussion, I'm kind of in Schmidty's (I think it was him) shoes, I think I'm fairly irrelevant right now so it doesn't hurt me but I don't really see the benefit when the wolves likely know the extra roles.

[JAG]

Vote ntndeacon

[KWhit]

I'm around, but not sure what direction to go today. When that happens, I try to analyze the game from a rules perspective.

So I've been trying to figure out the purpose of night 0 to see if it could lead to any clues about gameplay.

One possibility that I have seen used in other games was a 'recruitment' period where the leader of the wolves was able to pick out the players to join his side to fill out the wolf team. The problem with this in this game is that I am sure balance is difficult enough already and Hoops and BK would want to control what roles are on what side. Since all roles went out prior to night 0, I think this possibility is highly unlikely.

Other reasons to have a night 0 (and a long one at that) is just to allow pre-game actions or communications between players. I didn't have any action or PM ability during night 0, so I'm just making assumptions, but that is the only thing that makes sense.

So maybe it is a combination of the two. Maybe the Conspiracy team does have a conversion capability, and it began during night 0. This does fall in line with the TV show, I believe as some of the good guys were "turned" to the bad side during the run of the show.

Thoughts?

[EagleFan]

Only one reason for this vote...

vote PB

[DaddyTorgo]

there's no benefit to a role reveal. there might be benefit to the 2 people that are both on the block PM-ing somebody in the CoT with their roles so that that person can do a private analysis of which set of powers is worse to lose though. that way they don't have to publicly reveal.

[BrianD]

In the show, plenty of people who were in positions of good turned out to be bad. In addition, lots of good people were blackmailed into doing bad things...including Jack. I don't think a turning would be at all out of the question. I also wouldn't see a conditional turning being out of the question. "Player X gets night-killed unless a vote-leading wolf gets free". "Your minor victory condition goes away unless something happens".

[Tyrith]

I very seriously doubt thatthe wolves kill power is tied to us voting. I would much rather suspect it's tied to a straight timer -- every 24 hours, starting 12 hours into the game?

[saldana]

As far as the role reveal discussion, I'm kind of in Schmidty's (I think it was him) shoes, I think I'm fairly irrelevant right now so it doesn't hurt me but I don't really see the benefit when the wolves likely know the extra roles.

they dont know all the extra roles, only a couple.

either way, i still say that a mass reveal is useless to the village...if the roles are vaguely connected to the character, we could possibly give the conspiritor the ability to narrow down their choices on some of our critical roles.

[DaddyTorgo]

Hi AlanT *waves*

[Telle]

We absolutely do NOT try to vote with the purpose of manipulating the vote count just to figure out what type of math is involved underneath the engine here. The biggest weapon that the villagers have is the vote track record. It is the reason why many people argue that you should always lynch in debates in some games. So if you are going to have a lynch, it needs to be done in a way to provide information for later days.

I definitely agree with this. If we mess around with voting to try to figure out mechanics we lose the usefulness of the vote record which is our number one weapon against the wolves.

[hoopsguy]

The hunt for the Conspiracy is on, but one of your members seems to have dropped off the grid. EagleFan seems to have vanished!

[Tyrith]

My point exactly.

[saldana]

i am going to go ahead and vote...since i called him out in my last game and was right, might as well go with the anger at getting lynched instead of him vote

vote the jackal

[Telle]

The hunt for the Conspiracy is on, but one of your members seems to have dropped off the grid. EagleFan seems to have vanished!

I assume that this is purposely ambiguous as to whether or not he's gone for good?

[saldana]

WTF just happened...in the time it took me to post/refresh, EF is vanished...the wolves either had a day kill mechanic, or their clock is running from a different point in time.

[DaddyTorgo]

FWIW all - EF dissapearing doesn't surprise me and I believe he is not gone for good. I don't think it's a positive or a negative, but it's not a surprise.

[Tyrith]

Yeah, that does seem intentionally vague. But this game isn't predicated on waiting around for us to lynch someone.

The vote is kinda random - don't want to put a third vote on Jackal because I'm in favor of starting races whenever possible, Brian hasn't played for a while, I always vote for ntn.

VOTE PATH12

[JAG]

This could be like that power from Abe's game where a wolf had the ability to 'fake arrest' a player to remove them for a period of time. On page 1 it lists him as vanished and not killed, so I don't think he's killed.

[Alan T]

I'm around, but not sure what direction to go today. When that happens, I try to analyze the game from a rules perspective.

So I've been trying to figure out the purpose of night 0 to see if it could lead to any clues about gameplay.

One possibility that I have seen used in other games was a 'recruitment' period where the leader of the wolves was able to pick out the players to join his side to fill out the wolf team. The problem with this in this game is that I am sure balance is difficult enough already and Hoops and BK would want to control what roles are on what side. Since all roles went out prior to night 0, I think this possibility is highly unlikely.

Other reasons to have a night 0 (and a long one at that) is just to allow pre-game actions or communications between players. I didn't have any action or PM ability during night 0, so I'm just making assumptions, but that is the only thing that makes sense.

So maybe it is a combination of the two. Maybe the Conspiracy team does have a conversion capability, and it began during night 0. This does fall in line with the TV show, I believe as some of the good guys were "turned" to the bad side during the run of the show.

Thoughts?

I don't necessarily feel that I am giving too much information away by saying this, but I did have a night 0 action. I had to submit something to Hoops/BK before the game started as well. Based on my instructions, it felt to me that Night0 was a pre-planning period for particular roles that had to submit names or preferences of certain abilities. My role is not one that has any extra PM ability, so I don't know if anyone else might have had PM powers on night 0.. but my guess is with everyone in the game having limited PM rights, I don't expect too many roles built around some form of PM "power". The only thing I could think of would be either the ability to "eavesdrop" PMs from others, or someone who might have an extra number of PMs that they are allowed to do in a time period.

[Alan T]

Hi AlanT *waves*


:welcome:

[Alan T]

This could be like that power from Abe's game where a wolf had the ability to 'fake arrest' a player to remove them for a period of time. On page 1 it lists him as vanished and not killed, so I don't think he's killed.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a wolf power either. It could be a mechanism someone has to interrogate a player, or a good guy with the ability to lock up someone and prevent them from using their action for a day perhaps even.

Without more information, bad idea to jump to conclusions.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm wondering who everyone is PMing, because my inbox is certainly not full.

[BrianD]

I'm guessing my vote for EF just became useless. I'd theorize that he went underground to avoid a lynch, but one vote shouldn't be enough to scare anyone away. He may very well have been captured by the conspiracy.

[Alan T]

I'm wondering who everyone is PMing, because my inbox is certainly not full.

Not me. I haven't received a single PM from anyone this game other than Barkeep and Hoopsguy who both love me. :)



Anyways, with that I'm out for a 10:30 meeting. Will check in when I can this afternoon!

[JAG]

Well, I guess we'll have to wait and see what if anything he says when he returns.

[Barkeep49]

I'm guessing my vote for EF just became useless. I'd theorize that he went underground to avoid a lynch, but one vote shouldn't be enough to scare anyone away. He may very well have been captured by the conspiracy.
That is not correct in this instance.

[Thomkal]

wow that's a pretty interesting development with EF. I wonder if he's gone "off the grid" somehow where he can get some information, but not post.

[BrianD]

So we can't find EF but we can lynch him anyway? Sweet. :)

As it is, I'm hoping to learn something from his return, so:

Unvote EagleFan

[ISiddiqui]

So we can't find EF but we can lynch him anyway? Sweet. :)

LOL! I wonder how that works? ;)

[path12]

Couple of votes on me, and I'm not going to be around a lot during the day so I'll put a second vote out there on someone who is notoriously quiet.

VOTE NTNDEACON

[DaddyTorgo]

what's the vote count like? anyone got a running chart?

[Barkeep49]

Path: nfg (305, 11:35 PM) Tyrith (347, 9:14 am)
The Jackal: Purdue Brad (328, 8:16 AM) saldana(343, 9:10 am)
BrianD: Pass (330, 8:23 AM)
NTN: JAG (332, 8:31 AM) path (360, 9:42 am)
PB: EagleFan (334, 8:59 AM)

[DaddyTorgo]

thanks mr-GM

[DaddyTorgo]

2 - Path: nfg (305, 11:35 PM) Tyrith (347, 9:14 am)
2 - The Jackal: Purdue Brad (328, 8:16 AM) saldana(343, 9:10 am)
1 - BrianD: Pass (330, 8:23 AM)
2 - NTN: JAG (332, 8:31 AM) path (360, 9:42 am)
1 - PB: EagleFan (334, 8:59 AM)

[Schmidty]

Ok, here's my situation - I go to work in about 1/2 hour, and of course have to get ready first. I work until about 6.p.m. EST. After that, I should be around most of the evening.

Also, I didn't receive a PM from anyone, so that was kind of a bummer. Anyway, see you all later.

[The Jackal]

Gotta love votes that have absolutely nothing to do with the game. See how you like having votes on you, PB.

Vote PB

[DaddyTorgo]

2 - Path: nfg (305, 11:35 PM) Tyrith (347, 9:14 am)
2 - The Jackal: Purdue Brad (328, 8:16 AM) saldana(343, 9:10 am)
1 - BrianD: Pass (330, 8:23 AM)
2 - NTN: JAG (332, 8:31 AM) path (360, 9:42 am)
2 - PB: EagleFan (334, 8:59 AM), Jackal (366, 11:02am)

[The Jackal]

Does EF's vote count if he is still "vanished" when the lynch goes down?

[hoopsguy]

EagleFan's vote, as it currently stands, does count.

[BrianD]

Somebody needs to break the current tie:

Vote The Jackal

[DaddyTorgo]

For now

VOTE NTN

[DaddyTorgo]

2 - Path: nfg (305, 11:35 PM) Tyrith (347, 9:14 am)
3 - The Jackal: Purdue Brad (328, 8:16 AM) saldana(343, 9:10 am), BrianD (370, 11:16 AM)
1 - BrianD: Pass (330, 8:23 AM)
3 - NTN: JAG (332, 8:31 AM) path (360, 9:42 am), DaddyTorgo (371, 11:20)
2 - PB: EagleFan (334, 8:59 AM), Jackal (366, 11:02am)

[The Jackal]

Somebody needs to break the current tie:

Vote The Jackal

Any reason why you're voting for me? People think I need a break after running a game here, or what?

[The Jackal]

I guess I'll have to switch.

unvote PB
vote NTN

[BrianD]

DT, if you were anyone other than Jack Bauer, I would call your vote suspicious for tying things up right after I un-tied them.

[Schmidty]

On the way out the door. This will be the only day that I won't be around pretty much the whole day.

[Alan T]

2 - Path: nfg (305, 11:35 PM) Tyrith (347, 9:14 am)
3 - The Jackal: Purdue Brad (328, 8:16 AM) saldana(343, 9:10 am), BrianD (370, 11:16 AM)
1 - BrianD: Pass (330, 8:23 AM)
3 - NTN: JAG (332, 8:31 AM) path (360, 9:42 am), DaddyTorgo (371, 11:20)
2 - PB: EagleFan (334, 8:59 AM), Jackal (366, 11:02am)


Maybe on the vote counts it would be useful to also include percentage of vote in addition to the easy to read total votes. Since the lynch appears to be percentage driven.

So for instance this vote would be

8% - Path
13% - The Jackal
4% - BrianD
13% - NTN
8% - PB

[The Jackal]

So instead of going after UTR players, which was the first proposed idea, you're gonna latch on to two votes for me that were made because, 1) I hate the penguins, and 2) saldana was right about me being a wolf two games ago? Bleh.

[Passacaglia]

DT, if you were anyone other than Jack Bauer, I would call your vote suspicious for tying things up right after I un-tied them.

I think it's way too early to be worried about that.

[BrianD]

Any reason why you're voting for me? People think I need a break after running a game here, or what?

Honestly...none whatsoever. I'm just trying to spur conversation by putting people at risk.

[BrianD]

I think it's way too early to be worried about that.

Is it ever too soon to be paranoid? :)

[The Jackal]

Honestly...none whatsoever. I'm just trying to spur conversation by putting people at risk.

Alright, I really don't have much to say aside from pointing out the silliness of the first two votes on me.

[BrianD]

I think it's way too early to be worried about that.

And you voted for me. Since I'm a non-conspiracy guy, you must be a conspiracy guy. That means I really SHOULD be worried about that already. How's that for paranoid?

[BrianD]

Alright, I really don't have much to say aside from pointing out the silliness of the first two votes on me.

Your vote total is still relatively low. Lots of time for stuff to happen.

[The Jackal]

I don't really want to vote for path, he keeps being targeted early in games and not getting a chance to play, and he's definitely a damned useful villager. I'd rather give him a pass on day 1.

NTN is usually a very low poster, which are always hard for me to get reads on late in games, so I'm comfortable with that for now, but he's more than welcome to come here and talk it out.

[Passacaglia]

And you voted for me. Since I'm a non-conspiracy guy, you must be a conspiracy guy. That means I really SHOULD be worried about that already. How's that for paranoid?

Not bad -- but that's something people do all the time in WW games, so you're nowhere near being 'through the looking glass' yet.

[BrianD]

Not bad -- but that's something people do all the time in WW games, so you're nowhere near being 'through the looking glass' yet.

I know. It has been a while since I've played WW, so I'm just flexing my paranoid tendencies. All in good fun. :D

[Tyrith]

So we have a race then.

UNVOTE PATH12
VOTE THE JACKAL

[Alan T]

Looks like the percentages are climbing now a bit. I'll buy the line of thinking that ntn hasn't posted anything really yet, and even in normal games he doesn't necessarily say enough to really draw attention. That causes him to easily slip under the radar quite often.

Vote ntndeacon

[KWhit]

This looks like an interesting 2 horse race. I'll contribute:

Vote NTN

[Telle]

Let's keep it close.

vote The Jackal

[DaddyTorgo]

work just smacked me in the face. if somebody else wants to take up the keeping track of votes for today that'd be cool.

and my reasons for tying it back up had more to do with trying to get conversation out of ntn (or PB who was my other thought for a vote) and not buying the non-game excuses for Jackal and wanting to contribute to that runaway.

I agree with what Alan said about Path too, so I wasn't about to go there.

Ideally I'd hope to find out more about ntn or pb through putting them under the gun.

[The Jackal]

Your vote total is still relatively low. Lots of time for stuff to happen.

You said this about 20 minutes ago, you see why I was annoyed now? This is foolish.

[kingfc22]

Well this is getting interesting.

I'm trying to tie EF's disappearance with the actual show. Some random ideas:
A) He's some kind of agent that has gone "off the grid".
B) He's being interrogated by Jack?
C) He's in some log cabin in the middle of the woods with Jack's daughter and some mountain lions.

[The Jackal]

You mean.. what I said about path?

[Autumn]

Hey everyone. My computer decided to crap the bed this morning and so far is still not working. I'll be scarce until I get it fixed, try to catchup later.

[The Jackal]

Hey everyone. My computer decided to crap the bed this morning and so far is still not working. I'll be scarce until I get it fixed, try to catchup later.

Good luck with that.

[DaddyTorgo]

Hey everyone. My computer decided to crap the bed this morning and so far is still not working. I'll be scarce until I get it fixed, try to catchup later.

ugh. no fun

[JAG]

C) He's in some log cabin in the middle of the woods with Jack's daughter and some mountain lions.

I laughed.

[DaddyTorgo]

work just smacked me in the face. if somebody else wants to take up the keeping track of votes for today that'd be cool.

and my reasons for tying it back up had more to do with trying to get conversation out of ntn (or PB who was my other thought for a vote) and not buying the non-game excuses for Jackal and wanting to contribute to that runaway.

I agree with what Alan said about Path too, so I wasn't about to go there.

Ideally I'd hope to find out more about ntn or pb through putting them under the gun.

correction - what Jackal said about Path

[DaddyTorgo]

I'd rather see votes on NTN (usually quiet) PB (no read yet), or Brian (no read yet) than Jackal, who I think seems to be experiencing a D1 runaway based on non-game factors.

[DaddyTorgo]

in fact, how many posts does ntn have in the game so far?

[The Jackal]

I'd rather see votes on NTN (usually quiet) PB (no read yet), or Brian (no read yet) than Jackal, who I think seems to be experiencing a D1 runaway based on non-game factors.

Thanks, Jack.

[KWhit]

in fact, how many posts does ntn have in the game so far?

2

[JAG]

in fact, how many posts does ntn have in the game so far?

2 in the thread, 1 signing up, 1 since the game started explaining that he didn't know the name of the role he was given and was going to look it up.

[KWhit]

ok I am in

I don't know who my person is, since I don't watch the show. I must wiki them to find out more tommorrow.

FYI. These are ntn's two posts in the thread.

[Telle]

I'd rather see votes on NTN (usually quiet) PB (no read yet), or Brian (no read yet) than Jackal, who I think seems to be experiencing a D1 runaway based on non-game factors.

Well do you actually have a read on The Jackal? 'Cause I don't see how making a run on PB or BrianD would be any different.

[DaddyTorgo]

Well do you actually have a read on The Jackal? 'Cause I don't see how making a run on PB or BrianD would be any different.

Yes.

[JAG]

Well do you actually have a read on The Jackal? 'Cause I don't see how making a run on PB or BrianD would be any different.

DT, the only 100% trusted player at the moment, gave a pretty clear indication of what he'd like to see happen.

[Telle]

DT, the only 100% trusted player at the moment, gave a pretty clear indication of what he'd like to see happen.

And I asked for a clarification. You see something wrong with that?

[Telle]

unvote The Jackal
vote PurdueBrad

[hoopsguy]

Claphamsa will be taking the place of PackerFanatic going forward.

[claphamsa]

hi all!

[claphamsa]

couple thoughts... from reading 9 pages of posts.

NTN NEVER says anythign, why should he start now?

so we know DT is Jack? and we know Jack is good? soo..... why would the wolves just not kill him?

it looks its been decided that roles mean nothing (characters that is) so why havnt people revelaed? I think i saw 1 or 2.... but I wanna know how the hot chicks are!

oh and I have never watched 24.... just an FYI

[Telle]

so we know DT is Jack? and we know Jack is good? soo..... why would the wolves just not kill him?

My guess is that there's some sort of mechanic that make this particularly difficult for the wolves.

And welcome to the game clap.

[DaddyTorgo]

couple thoughts... from reading 9 pages of posts.

NTN NEVER says anythign, why should he start now?

so we know DT is Jack? and we know Jack is good? soo..... why would the wolves just not kill him?

it looks its been decided that roles mean nothing (characters that is) so why havnt people revelaed? I think i saw 1 or 2.... but I wanna know how the hot chicks are!

oh and I have never watched 24.... just an FYI

awww damn...hi clappyroo!!

cuz if he doesn't say anything he'll get lynched?

what telle said.

people are invited to reveal to me via PM. that way i can coordinate things and hook up people who should be talking (seer & bg for example), without giving the wolves targets (powers partially based on the tv show possibly)

[The Jackal]

couple thoughts... from reading 9 pages of posts.

NTN NEVER says anythign, why should he start now?

Sometime or other people are going to take heat for that, especially when there are no slipups or events on day 1 to guide voting.


so we know DT is Jack? and we know Jack is good? soo..... why would the wolves just not kill him?

I'm sure there's a mechanism in place that prevents the wolves from killing Jack, at least for a little while. They might have to kill a certain person, or have some sort of other trigger to kill Jack - or he's invincible, I mean, he never dies on the show, right?

it looks its been decided that roles mean nothing (characters that is) so why havnt people revelaed? I think i saw 1 or 2.... but I wanna know how the hot chicks are!


Well, I think it has been suggested that we'd rather have the wolves pick from us blindly than try to match roles based to characters they might think are important, and that it'd only net us 1, maybe 2 wolves because of the extra roles they know aren't in the game. I'm not sure where that path would lead us, but its hard to see it being beneficial for the village. If at some point it appears to be, I'm willing to hear it out, sure.

[DaddyTorgo]

and yes i'm fully aware i'll get fake-reveals from the wolves. in fact i'd be surprised if i haven't already got at least 1.

[The Jackal]

Sorry for the cross-posting, the site is loading real slow for me.

[claphamsa]

ok, thanks Jackyl... I read 9 pages in 20 min :)

[JAG]

And I asked for a clarification. You see something wrong with that?

From DT:

"I'd rather see votes on NTN (usually quiet) PB (no read yet), or Brian (no read yet) than Jackal,"

I thought it was a perfectly clear statement myself. I think DT would've already expanded on it if he felt a need to do so further (even though he did reply to you).

[JAG]

ok, thanks Jackyl... I read 9 pages in 20 min :)

Welcome.

[DaddyTorgo]

From DT:

"I'd rather see votes on NTN (usually quiet) PB (no read yet), or Brian (no read yet) than Jackal,"

I thought it was a perfectly clear statement myself. I think DT would've already expanded on it if he felt a need to do so further (even though he did reply to you).


please play nice. no need for sniping

[DaddyTorgo]

please play nice. no need for sniping

unless its of the enemy of course! :D

[kingfc22]

Vote ntn

Vote strictly on the basis of he hasn't been around and DT said he didn't want votes to go towards Jackal.

[Tyrith]

Honestly, I suspect that DT is probably unkillable.

[claphamsa]

please play nice. no need for sniping
wit no lathum... someone has to entertain us!

[claphamsa]

Honestly, I suspect that DT is probably unkillable.
cant be unkillabel... maybe a % chance? and not a high one? cant play like that!

[ntndeacon]

I've always been in favor of the lynch rather than no-lynch policy as a villager. The more information we have to analyze as the game goes on will give us the edge to out the wolves.

See you in the morning.

I am sure this has been settled by now, but just to put my two cents in. Lynches are better than non lynches to me as well.

[The Jackal]

I am sure this has been settled by now, but just to put my two cents in. Lynches are better than non lynches to me as well.

You are in luck. ;)

[ntndeacon]

ok enough with the voting for me. We do this every game and every time you are wrong. Try being wrong on someone else for a change!

Vote TheJackal

I wont respond as I have to go to class.

[DaddyTorgo]

Vote ntn

Vote strictly on the basis of he hasn't been around and DT said he didn't want votes to go towards Jackal.

I'm not explicitly saying that anybody is good or not at this point people. Because there could certainly be disinformation being spread - in fact I expect there is.

But right now I think there are higher probabilities than going after someone who has been active.

[ISiddiqui]

I'm sure there's a mechanism in place that prevents the wolves from killing Jack, at least for a little while. They might have to kill a certain person, or have some sort of other trigger to kill Jack - or he's invincible, I mean, he never dies on the show, right?

You'd think so. From the little I know about 24, I know that Jack Bauer is like a fictional Chuck Norris ;). I mean, seriously, you'd imagine that Jack is somewhat protected.

[DaddyTorgo]

re: you know who you are
--if it's one time only then save it. if not then ok

[kingfc22]

Anybody have the updated tally with percentages?

[JAG]

As of Post 436:

1 - Path: nfg (305, 11:35 PM)
5 - The Jackal: Purdue Brad (328, 8:16 AM) saldana(343, 9:10 am), BrianD (370, 11:16 AM), Tyrith (388, 10:40 AM), ntndeacon (431, 12:58 PM)
1 - BrianD: Pass (330, 8:23 AM)
7 - NTN: JAG (332, 8:31 AM) path (360, 9:42 am), DaddyTorgo (371, 11:20), The Jackal (374, 10:26 AM), Alan T (389, 10:42 AM), KWhit (390, 10:45 AM), kingfc22 (425, 12:22 PM)
2 - PB: EagleFan (334, 8:59 AM), Telle (411, 11:51 AM)

By %:

ntndeacon: 29%
The Jackal: 21%
PB: 8%
BrianD / Path: 4%

[kingfc22]

Note: So almost 15 hours in and 29% is not enough.

[nfg22]

Well this is getting interesting.

I'm trying to tie EF's disappearance with the actual show. Some random ideas:
A) He's some kind of agent that has gone "off the grid".
B) He's being interrogated by Jack?
C) He's in some log cabin in the middle of the woods with Jack's daughter and some mountain lions.

Impossible...I would kill him.

[nfg22]

I know it has been said that NTN is quiet but this is abd if only one post so far. maybe he is buys but if so then maybe we can free him up..


UNVOTE PATH12
VOTE NTNDEACON

[Passacaglia]

Note: So almost 15 hours in and 29% is not enough.

Well we know that the percentage required goes down, and it gets to 40% at 23:00. So whatever it is now, it's higher than 40%.

Also, reading the rules again, I don't think that we get no lynch if we never get 40% -- I think that at 24:00:00, it drops to 0%.

[Thomkal]

okay time to vote: I don't really like the idea of voting out the mod of the previous game on day 1 unless there's an in-game reason to do so, so I will:

vote NTNdeacon

nothing against you ntn, you are just the one with the votes besides Jackal.

[Passacaglia]

I know it has been said that NTN is quiet but this is abd if only one post so far. maybe he is buys but if so then maybe we can free him up..


UNVOTE PATH12
VOTE NTNDEACON

I think it was said that he had 2 posts. He's made 2 more now, though, and has 4.

[BrianD]

For the record, I missed Jack's subtle hint, so I am glad he was asked to be more direct.

Unvote The Jackal
Vote PurdueBrad

[Passacaglia]

okay time to vote: I don't really like the idea of voting out the mod of the previous game on day 1 unless there's an in-game reason to do so, so I will:

vote NTNdeacon

nothing against you ntn, you are just the one with the votes besides Jackal.

It's still early -- there's no reason to get distracted by the possibility of an early lynch. I really don't like the idea of a Day 1 bandwagon with over 6 prime daytime hours left. If we're not voting The Jackal that's fine, but there are plenty of other not-The Jackal candidates out there.

[nfg22]

I think it was said that he had 2 posts. He's made 2 more now, though, and has 4.

Yes but i meant one cause signing up does not count as a game post in my book.

[JAG]

As of Post 446:

4 - The Jackal: Purdue Brad (328, 8:16 AM) saldana(343, 9:10 am), Tyrith (388, 10:40 AM), ntndeacon (431, 12:58 PM)
1 - BrianD: Pass (330, 8:23 AM)
9 - NTN: JAG (332, 8:31 AM) path (360, 9:42 am), DaddyTorgo (371, 11:20), The Jackal (374, 10:26 AM), Alan T (389, 10:42 AM), KWhit (390, 10:45 AM), kingfc22 (425, 12:22 PM), nfg22 (439, 1:41 PM), Thomkal (441, 1:42 PM)
3 - PB: EagleFan (334, 8:59 AM), Telle (411, 11:51 AM), BrianD (443, 1:43 PM)

Yet to vote: Danny, Autumn, Schmidty, Chief Rum, ISiddiqui, henry296, claphamsa

By %:

ntndeacon: 38% (37.5% to be exact)
The Jackal: 21%
PB: 13%
BrianD: 4%

[Passacaglia]

Yes but i meant one cause signing up does not count as a game post in my book.

Okay -- then he has 3. :p

[nfg22]

yes he does....though not much was said. then again im sure RL is involved, to add....Day one there is not much argument you can make besides a reveal of epic proportion.

[ntndeacon]

It's still early -- there's no reason to get distracted by the possibility of an early lynch. I really don't like the idea of a Day 1 bandwagon with over 6 prime daytime hours left. If we're not voting The Jackal that's fine, but there are plenty of other not-The Jackal candidates out there.

Thanks. Sometimes the sheep mentality gets to us all. Remember also some of these votes were only since I was not around.

[JAG]

% for The Jackal above should be 17%.

[ntndeacon]

Yes but i meant one cause signing up does not count as a game post in my book.

I will grant you that but neither should the nonsensical goofing around that happened prior to the game actually starting count either.

[Thomkal]

It's still early -- there's no reason to get distracted by the possibility of an early lynch. I really don't like the idea of a Day 1 bandwagon with over 6 prime daytime hours left. If we're not voting The Jackal that's fine, but there are plenty of other not-The Jackal candidates out there.

That's true Pass, but its day 1 and so far no one has come forth with an in-game reason to vote for anybody I think, and Jack Bauer has suggested we vote for ntn amongst others, so hence my vote. Is there another person you think we should be voting for at this point?

[claphamsa]

vote jackyl!

I see no way DT could have any insider info about Jackyl... and I hate endlessly voting for someone who is always quiet, simply because they are quiet.

[ntndeacon]

And let me say this now that we are on the subject of my not talking. in the last few games I have played it has not me that has been at the bottom of the rung in terms of discussion. I am just an easy scapegoat. I am about to go look and see who started this run on me and change my vote off of Jackal. If I can't be saved then I need to make sure I am not being a sheep either.

[ntndeacon]

That's true Pass, but its day 1 and so far no one has come forth with an in-game reason to vote for anybody I think, and Jack Bauer has suggested we vote for ntn amongst others, so hence my vote. Is there another person you think we should be voting for at this point?

I am sure he will agree, but let me say Jack Bauer did not know anything about who I am or what my allegiances might be. The only thing he said about me is Iam quiet. That is the SOLE reason any of you are voting for me.

[nfg22]

I will grant you that but neither should the nonsensical goofing around that happened prior to the game actually starting count either.

Are you saying in regards to my posts? Take those two out..I still have been very active.

[nfg22]

edit: take those three out.

[nfg22]

I am sure he will agree, but let me say Jack Bauer did not know anything about who I am or what my allegiances might be. The only thing he said about me is Iam quiet. That is the SOLE reason any of you are voting for me.

I believe he didnt say to vote for you but to not vote for Jackal...that was my take at least.

[Autumn]

I'm back and fixed, I think.

I'm wary of the bandwagon on ntn myself. I will be voting for Purduebrad right now simply because he's the other main candidate (other than Jackal). I hope to be around to switch if something better comes along.

<b>VOTE PURDUEBRAD</b>

[Thomkal]

I am sure he will agree, but let me say Jack Bauer did not know anything about who I am or what my allegiances might be. The only thing he said about me is Iam quiet. That is the SOLE reason any of you are voting for me.

quite honestly ntn is there a reason to vote anybody else at this point? Give me an in-game reason to vote someone else and I will consider it. I have nothing against you, we just have to vote for somebody at this point.

[Thomkal]

yay Autumn, glad you got it fixed!

[Passacaglia]

I am sure he will agree, but let me say Jack Bauer did not know anything about who I am or what my allegiances might be. The only thing he said about me is Iam quiet. That is the SOLE reason any of you are voting for me.

ntn, my hunch is The Jackal sent DT a PM telling him what his role was. Is there a reason that you feel uncomfortable doing the same thing at this point?

[DaddyTorgo]

this is starting to look a lot like a run...i can always get back into it later, but i don't want any shenanigans to push things over the top

UNVOTE NTNDEACON

[DaddyTorgo]

I believe he didnt say to vote for you but to not vote for Jackal...that was my take at least.

+1

[ntndeacon]

ntn, my hunch is The Jackal sent DT a PM telling him what his role was. Is there a reason that you feel uncomfortable doing the same thing at this point?

What makes you think I haven't? As soon as I got back from class I did do that very thing.

[DaddyTorgo]

What makes you think I haven't? As soon as I got back from class I did do that very thing.

confirmed

[DaddyTorgo]

i believe that in with the people who have sent me roles so far there are doubtless wolves. however i don't think all the wolves have.

therefore my thinking is: choose from those who have and risk taking out a known-quantity villager trying to hit one of the wolves who did, or

b) choose from those who haven't and try to get a wolf and if it's a villager then they will likely reveal to me

so that is what has been informing my decision-making

[Passacaglia]

What makes you think I haven't? As soon as I got back from class I did do that very thing.

I guess the silence from DT about it? I figured that if you had, he would have said something, or unvoted you, which he hadn't when I had posted that.

[DaddyTorgo]

and a +1 to the person who utilized their power on me. i will not reveal them yet, unless they are under pressure of course.

[DaddyTorgo]

I guess the silence from DT about it? I figured that if you had, he would have said something, or unvoted you, which he hadn't when I had posted that.

my silence is primarily a result of the 20 different tasks i've been ping-ponging between today

[ISiddiqui]

Ok, based on DT's unvote of NTN, I'm going to make a decision:

Vote Purdue Brad

[Passacaglia]

my silence is primarily a result of the 20 different tasks i've been ping-ponging between today

No worries, I wasn't even trying to accuse him of not doing it -- I was just trying to help him out in case he hadn't.

[ntndeacon]

Are you saying in regards to my posts? Take those two out..I still have been very active.

I was actually referring to the large number of posts prior to the start of the game regardless of who said them. In fact, I thought a lot of the posts in night 0 were of a similar ilk. That was the reason I did not post then. I couldn't do anything useful at the time. I am hopeful my abilities will become useful as we move along.

[Alan T]

Ntn has showed up now and has been active in the conversation since arriving, so I'll wait to hear more from him. Now to consider where to look instead.

Unvote ntndeacon

[ntndeacon]

In terms of in game reasons, look at AlanT and Kwhit's votes for me. Especially KWhit's. Alan used the moldy chestnut that I am under the radar too often. Kwit just said it was an interesting horse race before he started to put the "race " out of reach. Therefore
Unvote Jackal
Vote KWhit

[Autumn]

I think I've read/skimmed most of the thread but I really need to catchup on things like work, clients, etc. I'll post my thoughts when I can get back.

[claphamsa]

and a +1 to the person who utilized their power on me. i will not reveal them yet, unless they are under pressure of course.
+1 what?

[Alan T]

In terms of in game reasons, look at AlanT and Kwhit's votes for me. Especially KWhit's. Alan used the moldy chestnut that I am under the radar too often. Kwit just said it was an interesting horse race before he started to put the "race " out of reach. Therefore
Unvote Jackal
Vote KWhit


Lucky for me I moved my vote just before you posted this! :)

My point still remains though. People who talk often, it is easy to find either holes in their story or some way to confirm what they are believing.

People who just show up, vote and nothing else, I have a very hard time figuring out. So no criticism of your play style, but it is one I always have a tough time figuring out. So if I take a roll of the dice on someone on day 1, without much else to go on, that is as good as anything else.

[ntndeacon]

I will say at least Alan's vote had the apperance of a reason which Kwits did not. niether did the first vote of JAG this morning. But as a first vote I overlooked it for now

[ntndeacon]

Lucky for me I moved my vote just before you posted this! :)

My point still remains though. People who talk often, it is easy to find either holes in their story or some way to confirm what they are believing.

People who just show up, vote and nothing else, I have a very hard time figuring out. So no criticism of your play style, but it is one I always have a tough time figuring out. So if I take a roll of the dice on someone on day 1, without much else to go on, that is as good as anything else.

It was indeed serendipitous. I wouldn't have had as much problem with your reason if it had been the first to mention it. Yes I am quieter than several here. I am rarely going to have as many posts as Danny or you for instance. There are some I do pass, even before they get voted out.

[JAG]

I actually gave my reason in a post before the voting one so I didn't feel a need to rehash it. I'm glad to see you actively engaged now. At this moment I'm keeping my vote on you, but it's not set in stone.

[nfg22]

I'll go with NTN here. Seems he is stepping up.

UNVOTE NTN DEACON
VOTE KWHIT

[JAG]

It was indeed serendipitous. I wouldn't have had as much problem with your reason if it had been the first to mention it. Yes I am quieter than several here. I am rarely going to have as many posts as Danny or you for instance. There are some I do pass, even before they get voted out.

I don't think everyone needs to be a post whore, but the village needs everyone's help providing at least some analysis, thoughts on suspicious activity that others may have missed, and so forth for reasons that Alan laid out above.

[Alan T]

It was indeed serendipitous. I wouldn't have had as much problem with your reason if it had been the first to mention it. Yes I am quieter than several here. I am rarely going to have as many posts as Danny or you for instance. There are some I do pass, even before they get voted out.


Yeah, I didn't figure there was a need to be the first to mention it since it is a pretty common philosophy in most every game anyways. My two options usually in the early game is to either wait until late to vote and try to go with my gut instinct based on the day 1 action, or to go with someone who is under the radar with the assumption that if I am wrong it might hurt us less than going after someone who if bad will lynch themselves with their own actions later on.

Since this game there is no fixed deadline to get a vote in before later on, and I'm simply not able to be here as much this game to get a great read on people, I chose option B.

[ntndeacon]

ok JAG, I must have missed it. I will go back and look for it.

[KWhit]

I will say at least Alan's vote had the apperance of a reason which Kwits did not. niether did the first vote of JAG this morning. But as a first vote I overlooked it for now

For the record, I voted for you because you were almost completely silent in the game at the time (which is why I pointed out a few posts after my vote that you had only 2 posts in the thread at the time and that one of those was the sign up post). Just because I didn't say "I am voting for NTN because he hasn't said a single meaningful word in the thread as of yet" doesn't mean that I didn't have a reason.

[JAG]

As of Post 486:

4 - The Jackal: Purdue Brad (328, 8:16 AM) saldana (343, 9:10 am), Tyrith (388, 10:40 AM), claphamsa (453, 1:55 PM)
1 - BrianD: Pass (330, 8:23 AM)
6 - ntndeacon: JAG (332, 8:31 AM) path (360, 9:42 am), The Jackal (374, 10:26 AM), KWhit (390, 10:45 AM), kingfc22 (425, 12:22 PM), Thomkal (441, 1:42 PM)
5 - PurdueBrad: EagleFan (334, 8:59 AM), Telle (411, 11:51 AM), BrianD (443, 1:43 PM), Autumn (459, 2:08 PM), ISiddiqui (471, 2:24 PM)
2 - KWhit: ntndeacon (475, 2:30 PM), nfg22 (482, 2:39 PM)

Yet to vote: Danny, Schmidty, Chief Rum, henry296, DaddyTorgo, AlanT

By %:

ntndeacon: 25%
PurdueBrad: 21%
The Jackal: 21%
KWhit: 8%
BrianD: 4%

[DaddyTorgo]

FYI everyone - this is the worst possible day for this to happen, but i am swamped at work with trying to get some stuff out the door by the time i leave. So i have a bunch of people's PM's that i want to respond to, but I'm under the gun. Be patient with me.

[claphamsa]

FYI everyone - this is the worst possible day for this to happen, but i am swamped at work with trying to get some stuff out the door by the time i leave. So i have a bunch of people's PM's that i want to respond to, but I'm under the gun. Be patient with me.


do you still have the 4 limit we all do?

[ntndeacon]

For the record, I voted for you because you were almost completely silent in the game at the time (which is why I pointed out a few posts after my vote that you had only 2 posts in the thread at the time and that one of those was the sign up post). Just because I didn't say "I am voting for NTN because he hasn't said a single meaningful word in the thread as of yet" doesn't mean that I didn't have a reason.

True, however it also happens to be with a surge making it less of a two horse race and into a avalanche of support for my exit form the game. That raises my suspicions. I imagine (if I survive) that I will have a stronger view on someone tomorrow. At least in terms of a day one vote, that gives a stronger reason to vote than they havent said anything thus far.

[JAG]

ok JAG, I must have missed it. I will go back and look for it.

End of post 319 or 320 (I forget now). It was basically the same reason as everyone else, you hadn't said anything other than to check in.

My vote will almost assuredly go to someone who is not contributing much.

[KWhit]

True, however it also happens to be with a surge making it less of a two horse race and into a avalanche of support for my exit form the game. That raises my suspicions. I imagine (if I survive) that I will have a stronger view on someone tomorrow. At least in terms of a day one vote, that gives a stronger reason to vote than they havent said anything thus far.

No. At the time I made my vote, it was only a one vote advantage for the jackal (I made it 2 - still anything but a runaway this early in the 24 time period). So I wanted to keep it at a 2 horse race and picked the person who hadn't really posted in the thread. That's all.

[path12]

I am sure he will agree, but let me say Jack Bauer did not know anything about who I am or what my allegiances might be. The only thing he said about me is Iam quiet. That is the SOLE reason any of you are voting for me.

That was my main reason, and I may have been first IIRC.

Is there anyone who hasn't checked in yet? I don't have time to go back and check.

[Danny]

Not too much to go on here. Right now I am leaning towards a Kwhit or PB vote.

[KWhit]

That was my main reason, and I may have been first IIRC.

Is there anyone who hasn't checked in yet? I don't have time to go back and check.

The lowest post counts now from people in the game are:

henry296 - 3
Chief Rum - 4

[path12]

UNVOTE NTNDEACON

Let's see how the next couple hours develop.

[DaddyTorgo]

do you still have the 4 limit we all do?

some of you may receive PM's in response - all of you certainly will not. That's as much as I'm willing to say - I don't want to let too much about powers slip out there.

I'm having to respond to the PM's where I feel it can make the most impact.

[JAG]

If I were to change my vote, I would rather go with BrianD than KWhit. Reasoning being that a. DT said he didn't have a read on him in post 401 and b. He was the first to put someone (The Jackal) at 3 votes breaking a 4-way tie of 2 votes.

[DaddyTorgo]

The lowest post counts now from people in the game are:

henry296 - 3
Chief Rum - 4

FWIW I do not have any idea what either of them are.

[nfg22]

Im down for anyone...i just need a reason...my votes are never set in stone.

[saldana]

well with what is going on, i need to change, but i hate runaways at the beginning..too many places to hide.

unvote the jackal
vote purduebrad

[Tyrith]

Frankly, I'm pretty confused about what we're trying to accomplish here. I'll vote for whoever - I've got nothing - but doesn't it generally behoove us to stick to the same guys and make the wolves actually pick a side, instead of squirming around? The movement gives a lot of cover to setting up a lynch they want, I think.

[Tyrith]

Now PB has 6 votes, ntn has 5, and Jackal has 3. But we only have one candidate with any momentum - PB. This needs to not turn into a runaway.

[DaddyTorgo]

you're right Tyrith - runaway's tell us nothing. close votes often tell us nothing if we have 2 villagers, but at least have the potential to tell us something.