Werewolf XCVIII - 24 Day Game Over - Post 2899 [Archive] - Page 3

KWhit

07-07-2009, 03:29 PM

What's the argument against PB?

PurdueBrad

07-07-2009, 03:31 PM

After seeing the votes of Jackal and EF I've decided that all of Philadelphia is apparently part of the conspriacy!

I'm just catching up but should be around all evening as we've stopped in Franklin County, Indiana.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 03:33 PM

oh that's right - PB has been driving all day. no wonder he hasn't been around.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 03:35 PM

Question - is anybody out there a programmer?

The Jackal

07-07-2009, 03:35 PM

After seeing the votes of Jackal and EF I've decided that all of Philadelphia is apparently part of the conspriacy!

I'm just catching up but should be around all evening as we've stopped in Franklin County, Indiana.

You realize I don't live in Philly, right? And do you want for me to re-vote you? :)

Autumn

07-07-2009, 03:36 PM

What's the argument against PB?

I don't even know how the votes on him started. I'm voting him simply becuase he was "the other viable candidate". I'm fine with a new candidate being introduced. Perhaps one of the quiet folks, scare up some more participation.

PurdueBrad

07-07-2009, 03:40 PM

Wow, just saw the moves on me. I'm going to move to one of the other two main candidates (saw moves off of ntn, did I miss a reason?). I'm not conspriacy and I threw my joke out more as a move not to miss putting in a vote in case something happened. Alright,

unvote my friend The Jackal

PurdueBrad

07-07-2009, 03:41 PM

In case the question was hidden in my above post,

Why did people move off of ntn? Trying to figure out where to throw my self-defense vote.

Autumn

07-07-2009, 03:44 PM

In case the question was hidden in my above post,

Why did people move off of ntn? Trying to figure out where to throw my self-defense vote.

I think it just started to look like a runaway, and he also came and posted, where the main reason for votes had been him being quiet.

Tyrith

07-07-2009, 03:44 PM

So we keep piling on people that aren't here. I don't particularly understand what ntn did as being a good reason to take the foot off his chest, given the reasons people gave. Three day 1 posts does not change future actions so much. I refrained from doing this before, but that's just too much - let's be realistic.

UNVOTE THE JACKAL
VOTE NTNDEACON

ISiddiqui

07-07-2009, 03:46 PM

Also, DT unvoted ntn after it seemed like a runaway and ntn came and posted. So the combination.

JAG

07-07-2009, 03:46 PM

I don't even know how the votes on him started. I'm voting him simply becuase he was "the other viable candidate". I'm fine with a new candidate being introduced. Perhaps one of the quiet folks, scare up some more participation.

It certainly worked for ntn, no? The votes on PB started when DT requested people look to voting ntn, PB, or BrianD instead of The Jackal because ntn had been quiet and because he didn't have a read on PB / BrianD.

PB, people moved off ntn because he started participating more, which was the strike people were using to vote him initially.

PurdueBrad

07-07-2009, 03:47 PM

This'll teach me for lynching quiet people on day 1's since today and tomorrow I am one of them. But, in self-defense, I'll

vote ntn

PurdueBrad

07-07-2009, 03:54 PM

I threw my vote out more as a move not to miss putting in a vote in case something happened.

Fixed my above post. Off to grab a bite to eat and maybe hit the pool. Be back in an hour or so.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 03:58 PM

okay i'm heading out in a minute here. I've sent off a couple PM's...I have a couple more I wanted to give more thought to to respond to when I get home. I should be around from between 7:30-8pm EST to deadline.

Danny

07-07-2009, 04:16 PM

I'll be gone for about an hour, but will be back. Still undecided on where to put my vote.

The Jackal

07-07-2009, 04:23 PM

Heads up, going to dinner around 6 and then seeing public enemies at 740, so I'll be here until dinner and then whenever I get back from the movie.

JAG

07-07-2009, 04:23 PM

As of Post 520

7 - ntndeacon: JAG (332, 8:31 AM), The Jackal (374, 10:26 AM), KWhit (390, 10:45 AM), kingfc22 (425, 12:22 PM), Thomkal (441, 1:42 PM), Tyrith (514, 3:44 PM), PurdueBrad (517, 3:47 PM)
6 - PurdueBrad: EagleFan (334, 8:59 AM), Telle (411, 11:51 AM), BrianD (443, 1:43 PM), Autumn (459, 2:08 PM), ISiddiqui (471, 2:24 PM), saldana (501, 3:22 PM)
2 - KWhit: ntndeacon (475, 2:30 PM), nfg22 (482, 2:39 PM)
1 - The Jackal: claphamsa (453, 1:55 PM)
1 - BrianD: Pass (330, 8:23 AM)

Yet to vote: Danny, Schmidty, Chief Rum, henry296, DaddyTorgo, AlanT, path12

By %:

PurdueBrad: 29%
ntndeacon: 25%
The Jackal: 8%
KWhit: 8%
BrianD: 4%

I'm out for a while.

JAG

07-07-2009, 04:24 PM

Jackal % should be 4, not 8.

nfg22

07-07-2009, 04:26 PM

my question...we have alot of inactivity as shown by the no votes. I dont remember some of those peopleposting much. Why? Also we need votes from everyone. My suspicion is starting to be cast at Schmidty, CR, and Henry...

Autumn

07-07-2009, 04:33 PM

my question...we have alot of inactivity as shown by the no votes. I dont remember some of those peopleposting much. Why? Also we need votes from everyone. My suspicion is starting to be cast at Schmidty, CR, and Henry...

I agree there's a lot of quietness so far. I'm fine going after quiet people as it usually gets them out of the woodwork. I don't expect everyone to have voted at this point though.

I'm sure some of these poeple posted schedules and excuses. I should start noting those things so we don't chase someone with a good reason to be quiet.

The Jackal

07-07-2009, 04:38 PM

Schmidty has popped in a few times and said this is the only day he'd be inactive. I can't speak to the other two aside from knowing that CR can only post at certain times of day (and I believe that's usually in the morning and late at night, EST at least). And henry hasn't been around in a while, so I don't know what his deal is.

Poli

07-07-2009, 04:43 PM

Beep, beep, beep...

nfg22

07-07-2009, 04:59 PM

I agree there's a lot of quietness so far. I'm fine going after quiet people as it usually gets them out of the woodwork. I don't expect everyone to have voted at this point though.

I'm sure some of these poeple posted schedules and excuses. I should start noting those things so we don't chase someone with a good reason to be quiet.

I certainly understand people have reasons. To be fair, the next day starts in four hours...So they still have four hours to post. I just wanted to note that I had suspicion on a few.

nfg22

07-07-2009, 04:59 PM

So far I think Poli has played masterfully. I really would have never guessed his role.

Schmidty

07-07-2009, 05:13 PM

Wow. I have a lot of catching up to do.

Barkeep49

07-07-2009, 05:20 PM

Heads-up:
I'm currently the mod on call, as hoops lives his life. From approximately 7-8:45 I will only be able to check sporadically (as opposed to refreshing every 2 minutes like I do a lot of the time). That includes much of the known time period. If the required % is reached, the lynch will occur at that point whether I am present in the thread to call it immediately or not.

Tyrith

07-07-2009, 05:24 PM

I certainly understand people have reasons. To be fair, the next day starts in four hours...So they still have four hours to post. I just wanted to note that I had suspicion on a few.

There really is no next day, though. Everyone's abilities are on their own timers. This game can't be broken up into time chunks in advance, only retroactively.

kingfc22

07-07-2009, 05:27 PM

Here's what I have so far:

<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 10"><meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 10"><link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CDAVIDG%7E1%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"><style>  </style> Eaglefan 1 – BrianD (292)
Path 1 – nfg22 (305)
Jackal 1 – PB (328)
BrianD 1 – Pass (330)
Ntn 1 – Jag (332)
PB 1 – Eaglefan (334)
Jackal 2 – Saldana (343)
Path 2 – Tyrith (347)
UNVOTE Eaglefan 0 – BrianD (358)
Ntn 2 – Path (360)
PB 2 – Jackal (366)
Jackal 3 – Brian D (370)
Ntn 3 – Daddy Torgo (371)
UNVOTE PB 1 – Jackal (374)
Ntn 4 – Jackal (374)
UNVOTE Path 1 – Tyrith (388)
Jackal 4 – Tyrith (388)
Ntn 5 – Alan (389)
Ntn 6 – Kwhit (390)
Jackal 5 – Telle (391)
UNVOTE Jackal 4 – Telle (411)<o:p></o:p>
PB 2 – Telle (411)
Ntn 7 – Kingfc (425)
Jackal 5 – Ntn (431)
UNVOTE path 0 – nfg22 (439)
Ntn 8 – nfg22 (439)
Ntn 9 – Thomkal (441)
UNVOTE Jackal 4 – BrianD (443)
PB 3 – BrianD (443)
Jackal 5 – claphamsa (453)
PB 4 – Autumn (459)
UNVOTE ntn 8 – Daddy Torgo (463)
PB 5 – Isiddiqui (471)
UNVOTE ntn 7 – Alan (474)
UNVOTE Jackal 4 – ntn (475)
Kwhit 1 – ntn (475)
UNVOTE ntn 6 – nfg22 (482)
Kwhit 2 – nfg22 (482)
UNVOTE ntn 5 – path (496)
UNVOTE Jackal 3 – saldana (501)
PB 6 – saldana (501)
UNVOTE Jackal 2 – PB (511)
UNVOTE Jackal 1 – Tyrith (514)
Ntn 6 – Tyrith (514)
Ntn 7 – PB 517)

PurdueBrad

07-07-2009, 05:41 PM

I would prefer not to die but I'm also not of supreme value to the village so it's not a big loss. I know that isn't a great defense but I guess it doesn't crush us to kill me off.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 05:42 PM

Question - is anybody out there a programmer?

BUMPING THIS IMPORTANT QUESTION

Passacaglia

07-07-2009, 05:44 PM

So...is there any benefit to getting a lynch early? Not that I'm saying we should in this case, I'm just wondering if we really care about it. IMO, it seems like it will only come up in a case where we would want to vote nightfall anyway.

Schmidty

07-07-2009, 05:48 PM

Ok. Done reading.

As usual on Day 1, there's no good reason to vote for anyone, other than to get discussion going and to make sure there isn't a no-vote; therefore, I'm going to vote for a leading candidate to move things forward. Absolutely no real reason for this vote, although he came on defending himself aggrsively, which I don't remember before. Of course, most people including me, would be aggressively defending themselves too.

Vote ntndeacon

Schmidty

07-07-2009, 05:50 PM

Quick question: Do we only get 4 total PMs, or does it ever refresh? I'm assuming it's 4 total, but I wanted to make sure.

Alan T

07-07-2009, 05:51 PM

Quick question: Do we only get 4 total PMs, or does it ever refresh? I'm assuming it's 4 total, but I wanted to make sure.

4 per 24 hours is my understanding. So after you send all four, I assume you can send your next one 24 hours after your first one..

Or maybe it is every 24 hours you get all 4 back?

I think the former though

PurdueBrad

07-07-2009, 05:51 PM

Quick question: Do we only get 4 total PMs, or does it ever refresh? I'm assuming it's 4 total, but I wanted to make sure.

I think we get 4 per day but I'm not 100% on that.

Passacaglia

07-07-2009, 05:52 PM

Additional Notes: all characters begin the game with the ability to sent up to four PMs per day to anyone in the game. This is in addition to any role-specific PM abilities (Conspiracy members can PM each other freely, for example). The moderators must be included on all PMs. Players are on the honor system to not send PMs above and beyond the set limit. Please do not forward the initial role PMs when exchanging PMs with other players.

4 per day.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 05:54 PM

ok - no one's coming forward to answer my question...

Barkeep49

07-07-2009, 05:58 PM

Quick question: Do we only get 4 total PMs, or does it ever refresh? I'm assuming it's 4 total, but I wanted to make sure.
4 per 24 hour period. So if you sent your messages at 1 PM 3 PM 4 PM and 11 AM the next day you would get another message 24 hours after your first PM.

Tyrith

07-07-2009, 05:59 PM

It's 4 within any 24 hour period. There are no predetermined points where your abilities refresh, it's all from a point in time when you use them.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 06:02 PM

ok...i'm seriously pondering going in a completely different direction with my vote...

path12

07-07-2009, 06:03 PM

I've got to head out and won't be back for awhile. I don't know the percentages offhand but in the spirit of keeping it close:

VOTE PURDUE BRAD

JAG

07-07-2009, 06:03 PM

A couple of thoughts on the discussion of the day.

1. Character reveal - doesn't matter either way since it doesn't tell me anything.
2. PMs - A great concept, but as I think Alan T mentioned we really only get 2 people to talk to since we likely will need to reply. As a villager I probably wouldn't talk strategy but would like to try to get info on roles, but be very careful in the first few days if not avoid the PMs because the risk is too high.
3. My availabilty - I mentioned this when I signed up, but I have no access during the day. I have no board or e-mail access until about 8:30 PM each night. I will contribute at night, as respond at that time.

This is the longest day zero ever and wish we could get started now.

This is from henry on page 6 for what it's worth.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 06:05 PM

very very interesting

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 06:05 PM

okay - based on that i'm not voting henry. that's cool.

kingfc22

07-07-2009, 06:06 PM

I'm off and won't be back for a few hours.

I'll update my vote history when I return.

Passacaglia

07-07-2009, 06:07 PM

I don't envy him trying to come in and figure out what's going on in only half an hour. Today might not be so bad, but I have a feeling it won't be so easy as we get further into the game.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 06:09 PM

interesting - i have 2 people claiming functionally similar roles (slightly different triggers).

also have one person claiming a role looking for programmers (hence my question) and yet i have not heard (via PM) of any other programmers in the game...

Alan T

07-07-2009, 06:09 PM

I don't envy him trying to come in and figure out what's going on in only half an hour. Today might not be so bad, but I have a feeling it won't be so easy as we get further into the game.

I was under the impression that it is not a case of him having to catch up in half an hour. I thought with no deadline, it was a rolling clock right?

At least that was my assumption. I'm trying to catch up on stuff I skimmed through earlier today and didn't feel any pressure to try to hurry at least?

Alan T

07-07-2009, 06:10 PM

interesting - i have 2 people claiming functionally similar roles (slightly different triggers).

also have one person claiming a role looking for programmers (hence my question) and yet i have not heard (via PM) of any other programmers in the game...

Oh heh.. I thought you meant a real programmer, as if you had a computer application problem. Well I'm not a programmer here either.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 06:11 PM

deadline is 9pm CST though right? not 9pm EST

Passacaglia

07-07-2009, 06:11 PM

I was under the impression that it is not a case of him having to catch up in half an hour. I thought with no deadline, it was a rolling clock right?

At least that was my assumption. I'm trying to catch up on stuff I skimmed through earlier today and didn't feel any pressure to try to hurry at least?

I think the clock rolls, but I don't think it ever rolls past 24 hours.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 06:12 PM

Oh heh.. I thought you meant a real programmer, as if you had a computer application problem. Well I'm not a programmer here either.

LOL

figured i'd clarify that a bit just in case. still didn't reveal anything, and if the programmers just PM me i wouldn't have to reveal them so they'd stay hidden.

Passacaglia

07-07-2009, 06:12 PM

deadline is 9pm CST though right? not 9pm EST

Oh yeah, I guess it is. Whoops.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 06:12 PM

dinnertime in this hizzouse...back after

ntndeacon

07-07-2009, 06:14 PM

I still am somewhat suspicious of Kwhit, but I guess it is time to work on saving myself a little more.
Unvote Kwhit
Vote PB

Barkeep49

07-07-2009, 06:30 PM

deadline is 9pm CST though right? not 9pm EST
There is no fixed deadline. Whatever time we have our first lynch will then start the clock for the next lynch.

Poli

07-07-2009, 06:32 PM

Beep, beep, beep...

Passacaglia

07-07-2009, 06:36 PM

Don't believe his lies (hi Poli!) -- I'm pretty confident that we won't ever have a lynch after 9 PM Central.

PurdueBrad

07-07-2009, 06:44 PM

8-8, sheesh!

Chief Rum

07-07-2009, 06:44 PM

Hey everyone, work is done, play to begin. :)

I only work one job today. I had a previously scheduled trip to the golf course, though, so I am about to head out. I see I have drawn questioning due to my lack of posting. My apologies for that; it is indeed due to my work schedule, which I brought up near the start of the game (understandable if people missed that, I am used to people knowing my schedule can get hectic).

I will contact DT now and let him know what's up with me, and he can decide what he wants to do with it.

What exactly is the case for PB? Isn't he on some cross-country trip right now? And is the case for ntn just the quietness factor? I'm not sure I like either of those candidates.

I am going to go with KWhit to try to introduce a third candidate, although I suspect it won't make a difference. It's a bad spot to drop a vote, but I'm afraid I don't have a choice right now. I feel better putting up someone to give us more options than to have a hand in lynching someone I admit at this point I have not been able to read up enough in thread to make a really good case for. I will be catching up tonight after golf.

VOTE KWHIT

nfg22

07-07-2009, 06:47 PM

Im still undecided as well. keeping my vote on Kwhit.

Schmidty

07-07-2009, 06:55 PM

I feel like somehow, the WW are manipulating this into a tie, and a no-lynch.

Alan T

07-07-2009, 06:58 PM

I feel like somehow, the WW are manipulating this into a tie, and a no-lynch.

I don't think a no-lynch is possible is it? as soon as one player gets the proper percentage of votes they die without time for someone to tie it correct?

Passacaglia

07-07-2009, 07:00 PM

I don't think a no-lynch is possible is it? as soon as one player gets the proper percentage of votes they die without time for someone to tie it correct?

Right. And I think if the clock ticks and two people are tied with a large enough percentage, the next one to get a vote will get lynched (and, I assume, that if one gets an unvote, the other gets lynched).

Alan T

07-07-2009, 07:03 PM

Right. And I think if the clock ticks and two people are tied with a large enough percentage, the next one to get a vote will get lynched (and, I assume, that if one gets an unvote, the other gets lynched).

In the second scenario you listed, I wonder if both of them die since technically they both have the required lynch percentage at that point?

Schmidty

07-07-2009, 07:03 PM

Ahhh, gotcha. Thanks.

Autumn

07-07-2009, 07:08 PM

BUMPING THIS IMPORTANT QUESTION

Do you mean in real life or in the game? I assumed real life but now I'm wondering.

nfg22

07-07-2009, 07:10 PM

Do you mean in real life or in the game? I assumed real life but now I'm wondering.

He meant in game.

Tyrith

07-07-2009, 07:12 PM

In the second scenario you listed, I wonder if both of them die since technically they both have the required lynch percentage at that point?

Doubtful, they would just wait for the tie to break I'd imagine.

Autumn

07-07-2009, 07:13 PM

Oh I'm caught up now, I see you meant in game. I was wondering why you kept asking, lol

It seems to me it will be hard for the wolves to hide in this game, with us having DaddyT's role. He can orchestrate everything from behind the scenes and the wolves have no excuses to hide out. It will be interesting to see if this will balance out somehow.

Autumn

07-07-2009, 07:14 PM

How many non-votes do we have? I'd like to see a lynch soon, I don't think it pays for us to let it hang for too long with no deadline. But I'd like everyone to have a chance to vote first.

nfg22

07-07-2009, 07:16 PM

Im out for a few hours...sorry I have had nothing to add...FWIW I have been keeping up...

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 07:20 PM

Hey everyone, work is done, play to begin. :)

I only work one job today. I had a previously scheduled trip to the golf course, though, so I am about to head out. I see I have drawn questioning due to my lack of posting. My apologies for that; it is indeed due to my work schedule, which I brought up near the start of the game (understandable if people missed that, I am used to people knowing my schedule can get hectic).

I will contact DT now and let him know what's up with me, and he can decide what he wants to do with it.

What exactly is the case for PB? Isn't he on some cross-country trip right now? And is the case for ntn just the quietness factor? I'm not sure I like either of those candidates.

I am going to go with KWhit to try to introduce a third candidate, although I suspect it won't make a difference. It's a bad spot to drop a vote, but I'm afraid I don't have a choice right now. I feel better putting up someone to give us more options than to have a hand in lynching someone I admit at this point I have not been able to read up enough in thread to make a really good case for. I will be catching up tonight after golf.

VOTE KWHIT

this is not a bad vote

BrianD

07-07-2009, 07:22 PM

Unvote PurdueBrad
Vote KWhit

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 07:25 PM

BK - what's the most recent vote-situation?

Autumn

07-07-2009, 07:27 PM

Hmm, I imagine I'm about to join an avalanche.

<b>unvote purduebrad
vote kwhit</b>

Autumn

07-07-2009, 07:28 PM

That said, what is the vote count, and who are you voting DT?

I have to say, this lack of a real deadline is kind of freaking me out.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 07:28 PM

do you guys thing "every 36 hours" or "once every calendar week" is more likely to be true?

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 07:29 PM

do you guys think "every 36 hours" or "once every calendar week" is more likely to be true?

fixed

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 07:30 PM

Hmm, I imagine I'm about to join an avalanche.

unvote purduebrad
vote kwhit

would not be a horrible avalanche to join IMO

That said, what is the vote count, and who are you voting DT?

I have to say, this lack of a real deadline is kind of freaking me out.

i'm debating "every 36 hours" and "once every calendar week for 15 minutes"

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 07:35 PM

http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/elisha-cuthbert/elisha-cuthbert-20040721-4474.jpg

Autumn

07-07-2009, 07:35 PM

I think it would depend on how powerful the ability is. I'm not sure I can guess otherwise. The calendar week sounds unusual, but this is kind of an unusual game so I wouldn't discount it entirely. For a more powerful action it might make sense.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 07:35 PM

oops - i forgot to image-link that

Autumn

07-07-2009, 07:35 PM

http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/elisha-cuthbert/elisha-cuthbert-20040721-4474.jpg

Thanks for the morale boost.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 07:36 PM

it's not uber-powerful. i'm leaning away from it being true the more i think

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 07:36 PM

http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/elisha-cuthbert/elisha-cuthbert-20040721-4474.jpg

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 07:37 PM

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cgUO0gZQrZA/RhI-lh_JywI/AAAAAAAAAdg/nTW6UtffuMg/s400/Elisha+Cuthbert.jpg

Autumn

07-07-2009, 07:37 PM

http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/elisha-cuthbert/elisha-cuthbert-20040721-4474.jpg

Oh well if this is what you're talking about then 15 minutes is probably unrealistically long.

JAG

07-07-2009, 07:39 PM

do you guys thing "every 36 hours" or "once every calendar week" is more likely to be true?

From the rules:

"Player actions are predicated by the passing of time, not days in the game. For example, a player may be able to use a power every 36 hours."

So if someone's trying to make up something, using the example given in the rules would be the safest bet in my opinion.

I do want to throw this out though, just because two people are claiming functionally similar roles doesn't necessarily mean there's something fishy. The broad classes of players (government officials, presidents and their wives, etc...) have quite a few characters in each spot. That means there could be some functional overlap.

I'm not saying it's a bad place to start, but just wanted to put that out there.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 07:39 PM

After thinking about it

VOTE KWHIT

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 07:40 PM

From the rules:

"Player actions are predicated by the passing of time, not days in the game. For example, a player may be able to use a power every 36 hours."

So if someone's trying to make up something, using the example given in the rules would be the safest bet in my opinion.

I do want to throw this out though, just because two people are claiming functionally similar roles doesn't necessarily mean there's something fishy. The broad classes of players (government officials, presidents and their wives, etc...) have quite a few characters in each spot. That means there could be some functional overlap.

I'm not saying it's a bad place to start, but just wanted to put that out there.

both good points

Autumn

07-07-2009, 07:41 PM

I really wish my computer hadn't crapped out this morning, I'd actually have a vote count. Anyone working on one or should I do it?

Telle

07-07-2009, 07:42 PM

unvote PurdueBrad
vote KWhit

ISiddiqui

07-07-2009, 07:44 PM

unvote Purdue Brad
vote KWhit

Alan T

07-07-2009, 07:44 PM

Well, it looks like if we really want to get a lynch at some point today, we need more numbers. I guess this should just about do it.

Sorry Kwhit, just a numbers thing, we need a lynch today. Hopefully you are bad

Vote Kwhit

JAG

07-07-2009, 07:44 PM

I'll work on it in a few minutes if no one else does, just have to finish some dishes.

PurdueBrad

07-07-2009, 07:44 PM

Since Jack Bauer says so and I'm in less danger

unvote ntn

vote KWhit

Telle

07-07-2009, 07:45 PM

Votes as of post #598:

1 - The Jackal - claphamsa (453)
1 - BrianD - Passacaglia (330)
8 - ntndeacon - JAG (332), The Jackal (374), KWhit (390), king (425), Thomkal (441), Tyrith (514), PurdueBrad (517), Schmidty (537)
5 - PurdueBrad - EagleFan (334), ISiddiqui (471), saldana (501), path (546), ntndeacon (560)
6 - KWhit - nfg22 (482), Chief Rum (565), BrianD (579), Autumn (581), DaddyTorgo (595), Telle (598)

Alan T

07-07-2009, 07:46 PM

Oh, I guess Kwhit didn't have nearly as many votes as I thought. Heh

Barkeep49

07-07-2009, 07:47 PM

Here's what I have:

The Jackal: clap (453, 1:55 pm)
BrianD: Pass (330, 8:23)
NTN: JAG (332, 8:31) Jackal (374, 10:26 AM) KWhit (390, 10:45 AM) king (425, 12:26 PM) thomkal (441, 1:42 pm) Tyrith (514, 3:44 PM) PB (517, 3:47 PM) Schmidty (537, 5:48)
PB: Eagle (334, 8:59 AM) isiddiqui (471, 2:24 PM) saldana (501, 3:22 PM) path (546, 6:03) ntn (560, 6:14)
KWhit: nfg (482, 2:39 PM) CR (565, 6:44) Brian (579, 7:22) Autumn (581, 7:27) DT (595, 7:39) Telle (598, 7:42)

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 07:48 PM

i'm trying to keep the hot pics of my daughter SFW - otherwise I'd toss up some of those Maxim shots in the bikini or the lil tiny outfits

Barkeep49

07-07-2009, 07:50 PM

Disregard.

Telle

07-07-2009, 07:50 PM

And a whole lot of sudden movement to KWhit, so let's try this again.. votes as of post #605:

1 - The Jackal - claphamsa (453)
1 - BrianD - Passacaglia (330)
7 - ntndeacon - JAG (332), The Jackal (374), KWhit (390), king (425), Thomkal (441), Tyrith (514), Schmidty (537)
4 - PurdueBrad - EagleFan (334), saldana (501), path (546), ntndeacon (560)
9 - KWhit - nfg22 (482), Chief Rum (565), BrianD (579), Autumn (581), DaddyTorgo (595), Telle (598), ISiddiqui (599), Alan T (600), PurdueBrad (602)

Autumn

07-07-2009, 07:50 PM

This is a revised version of one someone posted at 522, I didn't check their work (or mine really)

8 - ntndeacon: JAG (332, 8:31 AM), The Jackal (374, 10:26 AM), KWhit (390, 10:45 AM), kingfc22 (425, 12:22 PM), Thomkal (441, 1:42 PM), Tyrith (514, 3:44 PM), PurdueBrad (517, 3:47 PM), Schmidty (537, 6:48 pm)
4 - PurdueBrad: EagleFan (334, 8:59 AM), saldana (501, 3:22 PM), path12 (546, 7:03 PM), ntndeacon (559, 7:12 PM)
8 - KWhit: nfg22 (482, 2:39 PM), Chief Rum (565, 7:44 PM), BrianD (579, 8:22 PM), Autumn (581, 8:27 PM), DaddyTorgo (595, 8:39 PM), Telle (598, 8:42 PM), Isiddiqui (599, 8:44 PM), AlanT (600, 8:44 PM)
1 - The Jackal: claphamsa (453, 1:55 PM)
1 - BrianD: Pass (330, 8:23 AM)

Yet to vote: Danny, henry296,

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 07:51 PM

ooooh - lynch

Autumn

07-07-2009, 07:52 PM

Wow I guess we should have picked one of us to do that, lol.

Barkeep49

07-07-2009, 07:52 PM

LYNCH as of post 602. Results in a moment.
Disregard my earlier post. I made a mistake.

Alan T

07-07-2009, 07:52 PM

Disregard my earlier post. I made a mistake.

What a tease!

claphamsa

07-07-2009, 07:53 PM

why are we voting kwhit?

Autumn

07-07-2009, 07:53 PM

lol, funny

PurdueBrad

07-07-2009, 07:54 PM

why are we voting kwhit?

Because he wasn't me.

And Jack Bauer said so.

Autumn

07-07-2009, 07:54 PM

And a whole lot of sudden movement to KWhit, so let's try this again.. votes as of post #605:

1 - The Jackal - claphamsa (453)
1 - BrianD - Passacaglia (330)
7 - ntndeacon - JAG (332), The Jackal (374), KWhit (390), king (425), Thomkal (441), Tyrith (514), Schmidty (537)
4 - PurdueBrad - EagleFan (334), saldana (501), path (546), ntndeacon (560)
9 - KWhit - nfg22 (482), Chief Rum (565), BrianD (579), Autumn (581), DaddyTorgo (595), Telle (598), ISiddiqui (599), Alan T (600), PurdueBrad (602)

Quoting this because I believe it's more up to date than mine.

I believe we need 10 votes to hit 40% so I'm guessing maybe we need at least that at this point.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 07:54 PM

well one more on kwhit would do it i think (10/24)

Telle

07-07-2009, 07:54 PM

Percentages:

4% - The Jackal
4% - BrianD
29% - ntndeacon
17% - purduebrad
38% - KWhit

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 07:54 PM

why are we voting kwhit?

would you rather we vote for you?

PurdueBrad

07-07-2009, 07:56 PM

If I read the above right, my vote lynched KWhit as BK's original post, pre-edit, said lynch as of post 600 and now reads 602. Or are you guys reading it that the 602 lynch is wrong too?

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 07:58 PM

If I read the above right, my vote lynched KWhit as BK's original post, pre-edit, said lynch as of post 600 and now reads 602. Or are you guys reading it that the 602 lynch is wrong too?

nope you're wrong. we need 10/24 to hit 40%

path12

07-07-2009, 07:58 PM

I am going to go with KWhit to try to introduce a third candidate, although I suspect it won't make a difference. It's a bad spot to drop a vote, but I'm afraid I don't have a choice right now. I feel better putting up someone to give us more options than to have a hand in lynching someone I admit at this point I have not been able to read up enough in thread to make a really good case for. I will be catching up tonight after golf.

VOTE KWHIT

Is it me or is it a really odd thing for Chief to throwaway a day 1 vote? Between that and something else he said earlier (I'll have to go find it but it was about not speculating or something like that...un-Chieflike) he's gotten himself on my radar.

PurdueBrad

07-07-2009, 07:59 PM

Gracias, thanks DT.

JAG

07-07-2009, 07:59 PM

I don't feel great about this, but Jack seems to want it and I gotta go with him.

Unvote ntndeacon
Vote KWhit

Autumn

07-07-2009, 08:00 PM

Well, this will be interesting.

Barkeep49

07-07-2009, 08:01 PM

Lynch occurred at 7:58. Writeup shortly.

Alan T

07-07-2009, 08:01 PM

Quoting this because I believe it's more up to date than mine.

I believe we need 10 votes to hit 40% so I'm guessing maybe we need at least that at this point.

I'm not going to go into specifics, but we're at 40% on Kwhit at this point and it was not enough yet. I know there are only 9 votes, but you'll just have to trust me on this one.

I'm only saying this so we don't have issues trying to do the math later on this. My guess is at 9pm ET we hit the 40% mark. I'll be interested to see if he gets lynched at 9 without any votes moving to him.

ISiddiqui

07-07-2009, 08:02 PM

Seems like you were seconds too late with that write up, Alan :D.

path12

07-07-2009, 08:02 PM

Yet again, it becomes clear I should read all the way through before commenting. Never mind on the throwaway vote comment.

Alan T

07-07-2009, 08:03 PM

Ahh well, JAG moved his vote.. But my guess is that 40% is the required amount needed at 23 hours after the previous lynch. We were only at 22 hours+ at that point. Once again, I know the math I am throwing out doesn't match what everyone knows to be the case, but you have to trust me on this one. So the lynch with JAG's vote was 10 votes, but it should be worth at least 11.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 08:03 PM

hmm

JAG

07-07-2009, 08:03 PM

Alright, well that explains the 7:58 instead of 7:59 I was going to question.

Danny

07-07-2009, 08:04 PM

I thought the 40% started at 9pm central? Damn, got caught up and didn't even get my vote in

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 08:04 PM

bah - does that mean we lynched PB or something?

path12

07-07-2009, 08:05 PM

Once again, I know the math I am throwing out doesn't match what everyone knows to be the case, but you have to trust me on this one. So the lynch with JAG's vote was 10 votes, but it should be worth at least 11.

If you had yelled that part it would have been just like the show!

Autumn

07-07-2009, 08:05 PM

Ah, so it was the ticking of the clock (where's Poli) that did it, not Jag's vote.

Barkeep49

07-07-2009, 08:06 PM

The investigation is uneasy at first. No real leads have been made as to who might be working with the Conspiracy. Little has been done, though agents were recently called to a local hospital by doctors there. The reason why has not yet been established.

Meanwhile, back at headquarters, it is decided that KWhit simply can't be trusted anymore and so you decide to revoke Michelle Dressler's security clearance. A thorough search of her house and work leads one to believe that there is no reason to believe she was a member of the Conspiracy. Instead you lose an intelligence asset.

You are Michelle Dressler, an intelligence expert at CTU. Once per calendar week you may issue a wiretap on a player. For 15 minutes all PMs sent/received by that player will be sent to you. However all names, including the recipient and sender will be redacted. Conditional orders will be accepted.

The lynch timer resets with this post.

Final vote count:
The Jackal: clap (453, 1:55 pm)
BrianD: Pass (330, 8:23)
NTN: JAG (332, 8:31) Jackal (374, 10:26 AM) KWhit (390, 10:45 AM) king (425, 12:26 PM) thomkal (441, 1:42 pm) Tyrith (514, 3:44 PM) Schmidty (537, 5:48)
PB: Eagle (334, 8:59 AM) saldana (501, 3:22 PM) path (546, 6:03) ntn (560, 6:14)
KWhit: nfg (482, 2:39 PM) CR (565, 6:44) Brian (579, 7:22) Autumn (581, 7:27) DT (595, 7:39) Telle (598, 7:42) ISiddiqui (599 7:44) Alan (600 7:44) PB (602, 7:44)

JAG

07-07-2009, 08:07 PM

Ahh well, JAG moved his vote.. But my guess is that 40% is the required amount needed at 23 hours after the previous lynch. We were only at 22 hours+ at that point. Once again, I know the math I am throwing out doesn't match what everyone knows to be the case, but you have to trust me on this one. So the lynch with JAG's vote was 10 votes, but it should be worth at least 11.

Right, if it wasn't 40% at 22+ hrs the lynch wouldn't have occurred at 7:58pm CST it would've been at 8pm CST.

ISiddiqui

07-07-2009, 08:07 PM

Ouch... sorry KWhit :(

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 08:07 PM

oops - sorry KWhit.

Given that, is anybody interested in pursuing the other half of that dynamic?

Danny

07-07-2009, 08:09 PM

that sucks, so I never got my vote in because of that.

PurdueBrad

07-07-2009, 08:09 PM

Sorry if I'm dense, how did the lynch occur at 7:58 if no vote occurred then?

PurdueBrad

07-07-2009, 08:10 PM

Sorry KWhit.

claphamsa

07-07-2009, 08:10 PM

so DT why were u so sold on him? im still curious!

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 08:10 PM

Sorry if I'm dense, how did the lynch occur at 7:58 if no vote occurred then?

I is guessing "unknown mechanics"

JAG

07-07-2009, 08:13 PM

oops - sorry KWhit.

Given that, is anybody interested in pursuing the other half of that dynamic?

I don't think I would go into this further at this point, until wolves have their night kill and day 2 gets underway.

Autumn

07-07-2009, 08:14 PM

Sorry if I'm dense, how did the lynch occur at 7:58 if no vote occurred then?

I'm assuming that at that time the percentage required to get a lynch dropped to the point where the votes we already had were sufficient.

Autumn

07-07-2009, 08:15 PM

I don't think I would go into this further at this point, until wolves have their night kill and day 2 gets underway.

I think day 2 starts immediately. I don't know what that means about night kills though.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 08:16 PM

yeah - my understanding was day 2 starts immediately and the wolves will get their night kill just...whenever

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 08:17 PM

Sorry KWhit.

Danny

07-07-2009, 08:18 PM

Vote Chief Rum

I know no kill has happened, but I want to get a vote in soon this time since I feel bad for missing it.

Danny

07-07-2009, 08:19 PM

My reason for this vote is for the reasons stated by another player on the last page and CR usually avoids suspicion early. It definitely is subject to change.

KWhit

07-07-2009, 08:19 PM

this is not a bad vote

Great job.

:confused:

Thanks for causing that run on me.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 08:21 PM

sorry - my reasoning was sound though...and somebody had to get lynched.

i feel bad...never like to lynch a villager. wishes everyone could stay alive all game

Thomkal

07-07-2009, 08:29 PM

OOF we're not off to a great start. That ability really could have come in handy.

Tyrith

07-07-2009, 08:30 PM

My gut is to vote for CR at this point. I think we should take the standard kill out of the D1 KWhit voters.

BrianD

07-07-2009, 08:41 PM

I'm really curious why DT pushed us all toward KWhit? As soon as practical, I'd like to know what you thought you knew.

For the voting record, I did not have an active vote for PerdueBrad at lynch time. The official count showed my vote for him as well as for KWhit.

Autumn

07-07-2009, 08:43 PM

Given that it was DT (no offense intended) who started the run on KWhit, I'm not sure that the KWhit voters will tell us much. Perhaps if Purdue or NTN is a wolf, that would, but otherwise the clear force behind KWhit's lynch was DT, and nobody could have foreseen that.

I think it's good to throw a candidate out there though and see what Chief has to say. I'm more curious about EagleFan who still hasn't reappeared. I assumed he was thrown in jail or some such, knocked out, interrogated.

nfg22

07-07-2009, 08:46 PM

hmmm...DT...hard loss but I follow on faithfully. That ability is really only good if we find a wolf...then it doenst even matter much because it lasts for fifteen minutes....thats a short window.

ISiddiqui

07-07-2009, 08:47 PM

Yeah, I am curious about Eaglefan too. Maybe when he reappears he can give us a clue. Didn't the lynch writeup say something about agents going to a hospital? Could it be Eaglefan?

JAG

07-07-2009, 08:48 PM

I think day 2 starts immediately. I don't know what that means about night kills though.

The thread title still says day 1. The lynch time is reset but I would be surprised if there was no night kill before we had another chance to lynch.

nfg22

07-07-2009, 08:50 PM

I think the day will reset at 9 cst

henry296

07-07-2009, 08:51 PM

I don't feel great about this, but Jack seems to want it and I gotta go with him.

Unvote ntndeacon
Vote KWhit

So I'm assuming that b/c BK said the lynch was at 7:58 CST, this vote didn't count. Is that correct or is a system clock issue and this was vote #10?

JAG

07-07-2009, 08:52 PM

Well hell, now it says day 2, nevermind.

henry296

07-07-2009, 08:52 PM

I think the thread title will change after the night kill, but the next 23 hour mark is based on the time so it will be at 8:06 EST after Barkeep finished the write-up.

JAG

07-07-2009, 08:54 PM

So I'm assuming that b/c BK said the lynch was at 7:58 CST, this vote didn't count. Is that correct or is a system clock issue and this was vote #10?

I imagine it's correct, that any votes after the lynch time of 7:58pm CST did not count. Looking at the final vote tally in Barkeep's post, my vote was given on ntndeacon so that seems confirmed actually.

henry296

07-07-2009, 08:55 PM

Thoughts on the Day

1. EagleFan - I will be interested to see when he comes back what happened. My theory is that some has a day action that impacted him, but I would be sure that it was a conspirator, perhaps a special ability with Jack Bauer.

2. Availability - Ended up working later than normal and didn't get on until around 9 PM EST. Hopefully as the lynch times move, it will allow me to get a vote in the middle of a "day". As for today, I would've lynched Kwhit too.

henry296

07-07-2009, 08:57 PM

The lynch happend 22 hours and 58 minutes after the start of the day with only 9 of 22 total votes and 9 of 24 possible votes.

I wonder if someone gets too votes and I think Alan T referenced, let me find it.

Autumn

07-07-2009, 08:58 PM

Man, this thing is giving me a headache. Okay, so it's day 2, we survived a day without a wolf kill, unless this EagleFan thing was their kill or action. Or maybe we got a block, i don't know. Good deal if we get a day in without them killing anyone though, even if we did off a villager.

Autumn

07-07-2009, 09:00 PM

The lynch happend 22 hours and 58 minutes after the start of the day with only 9 of 22 total votes and 9 of 24 possible votes.

I wonder if someone gets too votes and I think Alan T referenced, let me find it.

But it seemed important that it was at the 58 minute mark. I wonder if the mods had the day starting two minutes earlier than that.

I suppose it could be possible that there's a voting thing going on too, Alan was seemingly referencing something cryptic.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 09:02 PM

I'm really curious why DT pushed us all toward KWhit? As soon as practical, I'd like to know what you thought you knew.

For the voting record, I did not have an active vote for PerdueBrad at lynch time. The official count showed my vote for him as well as for KWhit.

I referenced earlier that based on PM's that people had sent to me I had 3 suspects. KWhit was one of them. There was another choice besides KWhit (as you can see from my talking it thru earlier) and i am happy to go that way tomorrow, but I don't want to dominate discussion completely, I'd like to see what thoughts others have on the subject of who to go after.

henry296

07-07-2009, 09:02 PM

I'm not going to go into specifics, but we're at 40% on Kwhit at this point and it was not enough yet. I know there are only 9 votes, but you'll just have to trust me on this one.

I'm only saying this so we don't have issues trying to do the math later on this. My guess is at 9pm ET we hit the 40% mark. I'll be interested to see if he gets lynched at 9 without any votes moving to him.

This is Alan T's post I referenced. He mentioned 9 votes but more than 40% which isn't true unless perhaps someone's votes could count twice?

I'm still very confused why the lunch was before the 23 hour mark unless it is based on votes cast and not total available.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 09:02 PM

Man, this thing is giving me a headache. Okay, so it's day 2, we survived a day without a wolf kill, unless this EagleFan thing was their kill or action. Or maybe we got a block, i don't know. Good deal if we get a day in without them killing anyone though, even if we did off a villager.

EF is okay.

henry296

07-07-2009, 09:03 PM

I imagine it's correct, that any votes after the lynch time of 7:58pm CST did not count. Looking at the final vote tally in Barkeep's post, my vote was given on ntndeacon so that seems confirmed actually.

I should've known to look at the official vote tally... sorry for asking.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 09:03 PM

hmmm...DT...hard loss but I follow on faithfully. That ability is really only good if we find a wolf...then it doenst even matter much because it lasts for fifteen minutes....thats a short window.

yeah

Autumn

07-07-2009, 09:10 PM

EF is okay.

Do you know what happened to him then? Or rather was it the result of bad guys or good guys?

Autumn

07-07-2009, 09:14 PM

I'm out for a while, possibly the night.

Barkeep49

07-07-2009, 09:14 PM

Just to clarify as I created some confusion, the lynch was recorded as officially happening exactly 23 hours after the start of the game.

JAG

07-07-2009, 09:21 PM

Do you know what happened to him then? Or rather was it the result of bad guys or good guys?

The fact that DT mentioned he was unconcerned about him disappearing earlier today and that he continues to say he's ok leads me to believe that it's related to EF's or someone else's power that PMed DT and said they would target EF. I don't think speculation about this will be useful at this point, DT presumably knows and if it's advantageous for us to know he'll tell us. Let's see what happens when EF returns.

henry296

07-07-2009, 09:21 PM

Thanks for clarifying... some one Kwhit then had 2 votes to hit the 40% mark.

henry296

07-07-2009, 09:26 PM

Just double checked and Day 0 ended at 9:59 last night so that explains the confusion.

The Jackal

07-07-2009, 09:44 PM

Just checked in, sorry to see you go KWhit. I'll see what happens tonight before making any choices, but I don't have much to add at this point.

hoopsguy

07-07-2009, 09:50 PM

Moderator switch - I'm around for the next couple of hours, BK should be back to hang with all the real night owls later tonight.

kingfc22

07-07-2009, 09:58 PM

Danny

07-07-2009, 10:08 PM

I'm not really sure it's 100% necessary to wait for night kills. What I am curious about is if the removal of EF perhaps was a wolf action which counted as a night action. Perhaps EF has an ability to turn the kill into that or something else.

Chief Rum

07-07-2009, 10:10 PM

Is it me or is it a really odd thing for Chief to throwaway a day 1 vote? Between that and something else he said earlier (I'll have to go find it but it was about not speculating or something like that...un-Chieflike) he's gotten himself on my radar.

It IS really odd for me to do a throwaway vote--because usually I have time to do a legit vote. I admitted in making the vote and re-iterate it here that my schedule has been hellish the past couple days, and I pretty much had to make a throwaway vote to get a vote in at all.

Thus far, I posted a time or two Sunday night, when I had some time, about some things we might need to address from the mechanics (this was fresh at game start), and then real life kicked my ass, and I was only to get in a passing post last night after getting home late from work. And then the post you have above, my last prior to this one here.

I would like to see any thoughts you have on what I might have said earlier, to put things to rest, if for no other reason.

Chief Rum

07-07-2009, 10:15 PM

this is not a bad vote

Hmm, while I appreciate the vote of confidence, obviously this did not turn out well. It just goes to show how much a crapshoot Day One is, in any game. I said before I had no reason for the vote on KWhit except to put up a third candidate. I was certain the village would follow through with an ntndeacon or PurdueBrad, neither of whom I felt too bad about in my quick skim of the thread to that point. Color me surprised to return here and find that this proclamation above essentially sealed KWhit's doom and made me look a bit like an ass. ;)

ntndeacon

07-07-2009, 10:17 PM

I am sorry Kwhit for making you the subject of speculation. I still thought it was a good strategy to really look at those that got on board getting me out, as I could be viewed as an easy target. Even though I changed my vote from you, I was still thinking ill of you. I just assumed that couldn't happen that fast.

Chief Rum

07-07-2009, 10:20 PM

Vote Chief Rum

I know no kill has happened, but I want to get a vote in soon this time since I feel bad for missing it.

Danny, could you clarify what it is you find suspicious about me? Is it just regurgitating what path said? Given how nutty my schedule has been, I figure if people want to come at me with suspicions, now is the time to do so, since I am around. No promises I will be around tomorrow (in fact, I can promise much the same mid-day participation as today, i.e. little to none).

Or we can wait until midnight and chat while everyone's sleeping. ;)

Autumn

07-07-2009, 10:20 PM

It seems like DT has the best candidates for the next lynch, his next two suspects. I think he probably has more to go on than any of us. I'd like to hear who the "36 hour" candidate is and then go from there. Or the programmer person.

Chief Rum

07-07-2009, 10:22 PM

I am sorry Kwhit for making you the subject of speculation. I still thought it was a good strategy to really look at those that got on board getting me out, as I could be viewed as an easy target. Even though I changed my vote from you, I was still thinking ill of you. I just assumed that couldn't happen that fast.

It is because it always seems to be the same o, same o sorta reasoning on you that I stayed away from you myself and went with KWhit. I rejected the reasons to vote for you as the usual BS, and as unlikely to produce a wolf as anyone, so I went for a much less likely target (at the time; I think my KWhit vote was only #2 on him or something like that).

Chief Rum

07-07-2009, 10:28 PM

My gut is to vote for CR at this point. I think we should take the standard kill out of the D1 KWhit voters.

But of all the KWhit voters why me? Even DT got this one wrong, and you know he's good. I can see the logic in going after KWhit voters, but I would look at the ones with votes after DT. After all, what's safer than to throw a vote out against a villager (as they would have known) after the most trusted guy in the game basically said, "Yeah, he's one!"

When I made my vote, KWhit was in no danger at all.

Autumn

07-07-2009, 10:34 PM

Poor Chief, always debating with his self.

Chief Rum

07-07-2009, 10:36 PM

Poor Chief, always debating with his self.

Heh...this usually happens late at night, but I expect the silence then!

Tyrith

07-07-2009, 10:43 PM

But of all the KWhit voters why me? Even DT got this one wrong, and you know he's good. I can see the logic in going after KWhit voters, but I would look at the ones with votes after DT. After all, what's safer than to throw a vote out against a villager (as they would have known) after the most trusted guy in the game basically said, "Yeah, he's one!"

When I made my vote, KWhit was in no danger at all.

Gut, more or less - seemed like you made the biggest point. But that makes no sense as a wolf move, though, so I will actually probably go along with you and vote for someone after DT.

Autumn

07-07-2009, 10:44 PM

Heh...this usually happens late at night, but I expect the silence then!

Hey, this is pretty late. For some of us.

henry296

07-07-2009, 10:47 PM

But of all the KWhit voters why me? Even DT got this one wrong, and you know he's good. I can see the logic in going after KWhit voters, but I would look at the ones with votes after DT. After all, what's safer than to throw a vote out against a villager (as they would have known) after the most trusted guy in the game basically said, "Yeah, he's one!"

When I made my vote, KWhit was in no danger at all.

Chief - I agree with you that your votes does not appear suspicious. The suspicious votes appear to be those that came later. Perhaps Telle or Isiddiqui who votes immediately after DT.

Autumn

07-07-2009, 10:51 PM

Well, in their defense I did the same. given the option of voting for ntn or purdue, neither of whom were being lynched for any reason other than that they were the first vote getters on Day One, or voting for someone that DaddyT was encouraging us to vote for, that was an easy choice. DT didn't end up having any goods on him, but he still had a better reason to target someone than any of us had and I can't really see faulting anyone for following his lead.

If we find that NTN or purdue is bad, then we might have some voting record to go on.

Tyrith

07-07-2009, 11:06 PM

Ugh, both halves of the argument are correct. The people after DT both knew they had an ironclad excuse and HAVE an ironclad excuse.

Chief Rum

07-07-2009, 11:07 PM

Ugh, both halves of the argument are correct. The people after DT both knew they had an ironclad excuse and HAVE an ironclad excuse.

lol...well put.

Tyrith

07-07-2009, 11:08 PM

The only way what CR did makes sense from a wolf perspective is if both ntn and PB are wolves. Frankly, I think we should probably actually kill one of them and see if we can discern what's going on - not much better to do until we get some information developing.

Autumn

07-07-2009, 11:12 PM

The only way what CR did makes sense from a wolf perspective is if both ntn and PB are wolves. Frankly, I think we should probably actually kill one of them and see if we can discern what's going on - not much better to do until we get some information developing.

I agree Tyrith, I'll probably vote one of them barring whatever DT reveals about his other suspects. It at least will tell us something.

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 11:15 PM

Hmm, while I appreciate the vote of confidence, obviously this did not turn out well. It just goes to show how much a crapshoot Day One is, in any game. I said before I had no reason for the vote on KWhit except to put up a third candidate. I was certain the village would follow through with an ntndeacon or PurdueBrad, neither of whom I felt too bad about in my quick skim of the thread to that point. Color me surprised to return here and find that this proclamation above essentially sealed KWhit's doom and made me look a bit like an ass. ;)

I had my own reasons for the KWhit vote. It wasn't based on yours at all CR.

Poli

07-07-2009, 11:16 PM

Beep, beep, beep...

hoopsguy

07-07-2009, 11:18 PM

YouTube - 24 Time Effect (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko89hiGLUS8)

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 11:19 PM

But of all the KWhit voters why me? Even DT got this one wrong, and you know he's good. I can see the logic in going after KWhit voters, but I would look at the ones with votes after DT. After all, what's safer than to throw a vote out against a villager (as they would have known) after the most trusted guy in the game basically said, "Yeah, he's one!"

When I made my vote, KWhit was in no danger at all.

+1

this is very true and good analysis chief

And Autumn - I will leave the rest of the night and the morning for everyone to discuss their own thoughts on things and stuff before I set out who the two other people are ( "36 hour" and "programmer" for short).

Chief Rum

07-07-2009, 11:21 PM

I had my own reasons for the KWhit vote. It wasn't based on yours at all CR.

Well there you go then. Thanks for clarifying, DT. Of course, I didn't even really have reasons for voting KWhit, lol. He fell victim to my search for the "third candidate". I was as much caught out as anyone by the sudden run on him.

path12

07-07-2009, 11:21 PM

I had this plan to read up on all this and have all this stuff to say, but frankly, no dice. Confused is not the word I would choose for my state of mind, but it's not far off. I understand what's going on, as much as anyone, but we're simply in a position where we don't have enough information to properly judge just WTH is going on. We might need to let some of our private role actions run their course to better determine what we will do.

So until then, I think I will not be doing the post circus tonight, but instead hope for some more action to guide us tomorrow. I will try to find time to check in from work. Should be before the full 24 hour deadline (yes, I realize we may not reach it, but I'm not ready to throw out the "just in case" Day One vote in a game like this).

Chief, this was the other post I had mentioned earlier. Considering the complexity of the game and being posted early in day 1 it doesn't bother me as much in retrospect, it's just odd having you do a wait and see thing. ;)

ntndeacon

07-07-2009, 11:22 PM

can we vote Poli and stop the clock? lol

Chief Rum

07-07-2009, 11:26 PM

Chief, this was the other post I had mentioned earlier. Considering the complexity of the game and being posted early in day 1 it doesn't bother me as much in retrospect, it's just odd having you do a wait and see thing. ;)

Ah, I guess I can see that. That was my "tired as hell, no way do I understand WTF is going on in this game, it's late, I gotta go to bed" post last night. ;)

I was serious, though. I didn't get the feeling we knew crap, and I knew we all had abilities (or that's what I believe to be true), so I thought the exercise of some of those abilities might get us some clarity on a vote. At that point in time, I was entirely unsure where to go with a vote.

Of course, as you can see, once I did put a vote in, it didn't really do much good anyway.

Tyrith

07-07-2009, 11:29 PM

Personally, I'm not really a fan of the third candidate thing, but it's not so far removed from reason for me to not see it as a legitimate thought, so I'm not going to hold it against you. Unless both ntn and PB turn up bad, that is.

path12

07-07-2009, 11:37 PM

Chief Rum

07-07-2009, 11:39 PM

Personally, I'm not really a fan of the third candidate thing, but it's not so far removed from reason for me to not see it as a legitimate thought, so I'm not going to hold it against you. Unless both ntn and PB turn up bad, that is.

Heh...if ntn and PB both turn up bad, I would be half inclined to vote for myself. :D

DaddyTorgo

07-07-2009, 11:40 PM

very very interesting

Tyrith

07-07-2009, 11:45 PM

Heh...if ntn and PB both turn up bad, I would be half inclined to vote for myself. :D

That seems like a perfectly reasonable sentiment :)

Autumn

07-07-2009, 11:47 PM

very very interesting

is this something new that's very, very interesting? Because I want to go to bed but not if there's something new and interesting.

Autumn

07-07-2009, 11:50 PM

I guess not, I'll be out 'til tomorrow.

PurdueBrad

07-08-2009, 12:01 AM

I'm out for the night. I'll likely be on in the AM for a bit and then we finish the last leg of our trip (this used to be much faster w/o a four month old) tomorrow. Should be on around 4 pm CST tomorrow and then back in regular form the rest of the way.

ISiddiqui

07-08-2009, 12:24 AM

Chief - I agree with you that your votes does not appear suspicious. The suspicious votes appear to be those that came later. Perhaps Telle or Isiddiqui who votes immediately after DT.

Well DT is Jack Bauer. And when he has a suspicion, I assumed its because he figured something out based on a PM or special power he has. He's the only confirmed good guy after all.

Schmidty

07-08-2009, 12:48 AM

I'm still here and still reading. I don't really know what to add right now.

DaddyTorgo

07-08-2009, 12:54 AM

2am - bedtime for me!

Barkeep49

07-08-2009, 02:02 AM

The report from the field agents dispatched to the hospital is not a good one. It seems that there is a case of hemorrhagic fever at the hospital. This would not be a big deal, except it was contracted by a man should have had no exposure to such a disease. Naturally officials are concerned.

All available agents go out hard pursuing whatever leads they can find. The first problem comes when Tyrith fails to report in. When another agent goes to check on him, his car is discovered with his throat slit. The Secret Service is sure to be disturbed that its liaison with CTU for this investigation was so brutally murdered. There were few in the Secret Service more committed to rooting out the evil of the Conspiracy, but now that driving force is gone.

You are Aaron Pierce, loyal member of the Secret Service. As a member of the Secret Service you will have the ability to protect some of the players. Every 24 hours you may designate a player to guard. The success of this will be based on the category of that player's role (see post 2). If the player is a President or their Wives and they are attacked you will learn the identity of the attacker and the attack will fail. If the player is a Government Official, you will prevent the attack, but not learn the attacker. If you guard anyone else, you will not be able to provide them with adequate security and the attack will be successful. You may protect each player only once during the game.

You have barely had time to absorb this when word comes of a shoot-out in West Hollywood. CTU agents descend on the area, but it is too late. You find the body of JAG. Your initial thought, based on his identity, leads you to think that you have caught your first break and found a member of the conspiracy. But this turns out to be a false hope. It seems that for his own personal reasons JAG was trying to root out and quash the Conspiracy, just the same as the Government.

You are Habib Marwan. While you have no great love for the Government, you despise the potential actions of the Conspiracy even more. During Night 0 you may submit a list of two players. If you are lynched at any time in the game you may choose one of these players to be lynched with you (i.e. you're a brutal villager). If you wish to use this power you must notify the moderators before the lynch, or with-in 5 minutes of the lynch deadline.

So far the investigation has not been kind. Perhaps the rest of today will be better.

Danny

07-08-2009, 04:28 AM

Wow, we lost two and one being a BG. Habib doesn't seem like much of a loss at least.

Danny

07-08-2009, 04:29 AM

Sorry for my low activity today. I had guests over from about 6 central until 3 central (4-1am my time).

Poli

07-08-2009, 06:03 AM

Beep, beep, beep...

saldana

07-08-2009, 06:26 AM

well we arent off to a great start are we?

i think the DT call from yesterday was the best shot we had, but if there is anything to be learned from it, it is that analyzing the roles and trying to pick wolves out based on what mechanics hoops and bk may have come up with may not be a very good plan.

claphamsa

07-08-2009, 07:10 AM

I referenced earlier that based on PM's that people had sent to me I had 3 suspects. KWhit was one of them. There was another choice besides KWhit (as you can see from my talking it thru earlier) and i am happy to go that way tomorrow, but I don't want to dominate discussion completely, I'd like to see what thoughts others have on the subject of who to go after.

what could people possibly PM you that would make them suspects? Im sure even the wolves didnt tell you they were wolves!

claphamsa

07-08-2009, 07:11 AM

EF is okay.
how do you know?

Danny

07-08-2009, 07:15 AM

how do you know?

He probably had something to do with Ef being removed from the game for a short time. Perhaps some sort of interrogation ability or something.

claphamsa

07-08-2009, 07:16 AM

Well DT is Jack Bauer. And when he has a suspicion, I assumed its because he figured something out based on a PM or special power he has. He's the only confirmed good guy after all.
the problem is... what could he have learned in a pm? i mean seriously..... unless someone gets busted lying.... and we learn nothing from wrong votes, since the wolves can just jump on with DT when hes wrong.

I think we should ignore the info that DT THINKS he has, that he probably doesnt. and just play :) but thts my argument every game....

DT you really need to avoid speculating, when you KNOW something then tell us....

Danny

07-08-2009, 07:18 AM

Since I had more time to catch up, I don't think we can read too much into the Kwhit voters. Yes, it wouldn't have been a bad idea for wolves to jump in there, but unless one or both of NFG and PB are wolves, they probably would lean towards sticking on their current candidate. Also, it is quite likely villagers followed DT as well. I was actually leaning towards voting there before the lynch happened myself.

My vote is on CR right now, but there's a good chance that will change as the day develops.

Danny

07-08-2009, 07:20 AM

I am ok with speculation, I just think it would be helpful if his vote is based on speculation or mostly a guess. I felt he did that fine and there was really nothing wrong with that for day 1. Going forward, there should be more though.

claphamsa

07-08-2009, 07:23 AM

I am ok with speculation, I just think it would be helpful if his vote is based on speculation or mostly a guess. I felt he did that fine and there was really nothing wrong with that for day 1. Going forward, there should be more though.

i disagree, we actually would have learned more from a no lynch.....

DaddyTorgo

07-08-2009, 07:25 AM

well gee Clap - since you're either #1 or #2 on my list of suspects right now it doesn't surprise me that you're trying to push people away from siding with me.

claphamsa

07-08-2009, 07:31 AM

well gee Clap - since you're either #1 or #2 on my list of suspects right now it doesn't surprise me that you're trying to push people away from siding with me.

why would u suspect me? I mean go ahead, my role is kinda lame....

Alan T

07-08-2009, 07:32 AM

Trying to work out the math from Day 1 to make sure what we assume is indeed correct:

Final vote count:
1 - The Jackal: clap (453, 1:55 pm)
1 - BrianD: Pass (330, 8:23)
7 - NTN: JAG (332, 8:31) Jackal (374, 10:26 AM) KWhit (390, 10:45 AM) king (425, 12:26 PM) thomkal (441, 1:42 pm) Tyrith (514, 3:44 PM) Schmidty (537, 5:48)
4 - PB: Eagle (334, 8:59 AM) saldana (501, 3:22 PM) path (546, 6:03) ntn (560, 6:14)
9 - KWhit: nfg (482, 2:39 PM) CR (565, 6:44) Brian (579, 7:22) Autumn (581, 7:27) DT (595, 7:39) Telle (598, 7:42) ISiddiqui (599 7:44) Alan (600 7:44) PB (602, 7:44)

- 22 of 24 possible people voted.
- Despite Eaglefan disappearing, his vote did count. I assume if he had not voted prior to leaving then he wouldn't have been able to vote however.

Kwhit had 37.5% of possible votes at the lynch, which occured 23 hours after the previous night0 deadline.

NTN had 29% and Eaglefan had 16.7%.

- I already mentioned before the lynch occured that Kwhit had at least 1 extra "vote" on him that did not show up. So his true vote percentage at lynch was likely at least 41.7%.

- The last official vote on Kwhit came from PurdueBrad at 8:44pm ET, but that was not enough to trigger the lynch. It seems likely that time was the lynching force as soon as we hit 23 hours from the previous night 0 deadline, 40%+ was enough to lynch him as I had speculated might be the case prior to the lynch.

- With 3 less players available, that makes a total of 21 possible votes. We do not know if Eaglefan will be back today to vote (I assume he will be?) or if he (or anyone else that something may happen to today) would count as a possible vote if something happened mid-day. ie: someone get killed mid-day to lower the voter pool.

- Assuming 21 total possible votes however, that means the 40% mark needed to lynch someone at 23 hours after Kwhit's lynch (or just shortly before 8pm ET tonight) would be 9 total votes.

- My guess is an hour earlier we would need 11 total votes, two hours earlier 13 total votes

Thomkal

07-08-2009, 07:38 AM

Well that was a pretty horrible day 1 for us. :( I'm fine actually with DT speculating-I mean he has more info on us on Day 1 than anyone else has had on day 1 before. You might let us in more on what you have though today so we can debate and analyze it as well.

Right now I'm leaning towards a KWhit voter, not sure which one yet. I just think it gave the wolves a pre-made excuse to cover their vote. "I was voting with the only known good-Jack Bauer." But I'm sure the wolves spread their votes out too.

As for the night kills-looks like more than wolves can kill-though given this is 24, that's not surprising I guess. Any ideas on why Tyrith and JAG in particular were chosen? And Habib Marwan showing up as Government? I would have thought as a Neutral given that description.

Danny

07-08-2009, 07:48 AM

DT, can you confirm that EF should be trusted?

Danny

07-08-2009, 07:52 AM

- Assuming 21 total possible votes however, that means the 40% mark needed to lynch someone at 23 hours after Kwhit's lynch (or just shortly before 8pm ET tonight) would be 9 total votes.

- My guess is an hour earlier we would need 11 total votes, two hours earlier 13 total votes

Which would mean
23:00-23:59 = 40%
22:00-22:59 = 50%
21:00-21:59 = 60%

I figured the time frames for previous to 23:00 would be spaced further apart (I think I had 20:00-22:59 as the 50% window), but this could definitely be closer.

PurdueBrad

07-08-2009, 07:53 AM

That was a rough day 1, losing the eavesdropper, the bg, and a brutal villager (cool role btw). I'm off to drive the last leg but will be on this afternoon.

Danny

07-08-2009, 07:54 AM

I already mentioned before the lynch occured that Kwhit had at least 1 extra "vote" on him that did not show up. So his true vote percentage at lynch was likely at least 41.7%.

What do you mean by this? I missed it previously.

Chief Rum

07-08-2009, 07:54 AM

My reason for this vote is for the reasons stated by another player on the last page and CR usually avoids suspicion early. It definitely is subject to change.

I think I would have a better feeling about you if you were more clear than this on your vote on me, Danny, getting your own reasons. You never really responded to my direct questioning yesterday of why you were voting for me. I let it go last night, but now you're back here and ignoring the one "lead" we may have (post-DT KWhit voters) and sticking with me. So it smells a bit to me that you're not only going that way (against perhaps going logic), but also not really giving your own reasons or responding to me.

I would have to say you're pinging me a little right now. I don't mind the vote on me. Just stand up for it yourself and give me something I can at least try to respond to, as I did with path and Tyrith last night.

Unfortunately, I am almost certainly out for the next few hours, so I guess I'll see how you respond when I return.

Alan T

07-08-2009, 07:56 AM

What do you mean by this? I missed it previously.

I'm not sure what you are asking. It was part of last night's discussion.

Danny

07-08-2009, 07:58 AM

I think I would have a better feeling about you if you were more clear than this on your vote on me, Danny, getting your own reasons. You never really responded to my direct questioning yesterday of why you were voting for me. I let it go last night, but now you're back here and ignoring the one "lead" we may have (post-DT KWhit voters) and sticking with me. So it smells a bit to me that you're not only going that way (against perhaps going logic), but also not really giving your own reasons or responding to me.

I would have to say you're pinging me a little right now. I don't mind the vote on me. Just stand up for it yourself and give me something I can at least try to respond to, as I did with path and Tyrith last night.

Unfortunately, I am almost certainly out for the next few hours, so I guess I'll see how you respond when I return.

I mentioned this already, but my vote is certainly not stuck on you. My reasoning for voting you was the initial post you made two nights ago that was a bit off to me, the Kwhit vote when you made it and the fact that you rarely every get any votes or attention early in the game and I wanted to change that. The reason I am not jumping on all Kwhit voters (or stuck on you) is because we do not know the allegiance of the two lead vote getters before the run on Kwhit.

ISiddiqui

07-08-2009, 08:03 AM

the problem is... what could he have learned in a pm? i mean seriously..... unless someone gets busted lying.... and we learn nothing from wrong votes, since the wolves can just jump on with DT when hes wrong.

I think we should ignore the info that DT THINKS he has, that he probably doesnt. and just play :) but thts my argument every game....

DT you really need to avoid speculating, when you KNOW something then tell us....

Well isn't the game about figuring out who has messed up in a post (which I guess would be the easiest way) which indicates that they are a wolf? I assume that someone who got a number of PMs would be able to parse them like we would a bunch of posts.

Sure we'd have to assume based on DT's thoughts on the matter of his PMs and discrepancies he thinks are there, but he just may have more information than the rest of us.

Danny

07-08-2009, 08:04 AM

I'm not sure what you are asking. It was part of last night's discussion.

I guess I missed it, I did skip over a couple pages, but even rereading now I didn't see anything about an unlisted vote being on Kwhit?

claphamsa

07-08-2009, 08:08 AM

Well isn't the game about figuring out who has messed up in a post (which I guess would be the easiest way) which indicates that they are a wolf? I assume that someone who got a number of PMs would be able to parse them like we would a bunch of posts.

Sure we'd have to assume based on DT's thoughts on the matter of his PMs and discrepancies he thinks are there, but he just may have more information than the rest of us.

thats exactly what im saying! normally lots of people can see and look over what it is. here its "oh DT said vote for KWit" but we dont know why. we learn nothing. there is no possible discustion. and we end up with a day one lynch in which we learn nothing. the wolves must be thrilled by this.

Passacaglia

07-08-2009, 08:10 AM

I am ok with speculation, I just think it would be helpful if his vote is based on speculation or mostly a guess. I felt he did that fine and there was really nothing wrong with that for day 1. Going forward, there should be more though.

I'm still not totally caught up from yesterday evening yet, but I think I agree with what Danny's saying here. I think DT pretty much played it perfectly, and ended up getting the result that he felt was best, while still giving us a lot of voting record to work with.

Generally when more than one person reveals, before we rely on the old "who revealed first" tiebreaker, most of us give each reveal "the sniff test" to see if one reveal is more believable than the other. I think this comes into play in a huge way here (since the reveals were only made to one person, and since no one knows when anyone else revealed, there really is no "first reveal" in that sense), and DT has that info while the rest of us don't, so I think it's on him to give us his opinion, while making sure not to out anyone who he thinks is giving an honest reveal. If I recall, it's not like DT suggested any candidates out of nowhere -- he just gave his more-informed opinion of the candidates that others had voted for.

Passacaglia

07-08-2009, 08:11 AM

I'm not going to go into specifics, but we're at 40% on Kwhit at this point and it was not enough yet. I know there are only 9 votes, but you'll just have to trust me on this one.

I'm only saying this so we don't have issues trying to do the math later on this. My guess is at 9pm ET we hit the 40% mark. I'll be interested to see if he gets lynched at 9 without any votes moving to him.

Danny, here's the post Alan was talking about.

Alan T

07-08-2009, 08:11 AM

I guess I missed it, I did skip over a couple pages, but even rereading now I didn't see anything about an unlisted vote being on Kwhit?

Well as I said, I'm not going into any more specifics. I simply was letting everyone know for math purposes so we could figure out the lynch requirements.

Passacaglia

07-08-2009, 08:13 AM

thats exactly what im saying! normally lots of people can see and look over what it is. here its "oh DT said vote for KWit" but we dont know why. we learn nothing. there is no possible discustion. and we end up with a day one lynch in which we learn nothing. the wolves must be thrilled by this.

I disagree -- it looks there's a lot of movement in the voting record, even if you take out any effect that DT had on it.

Danny

07-08-2009, 08:15 AM

Thanks Pass

claphamsa

07-08-2009, 08:15 AM

I'm still not totally caught up from yesterday evening yet, but I think I agree with what Danny's saying here. I think DT pretty much played it perfectly, and ended up getting the result that he felt was best, while still giving us a lot of voting record to work with.

Generally when more than one person reveals, before we rely on the old "who revealed first" tiebreaker, most of us give each reveal "the sniff test" to see if one reveal is more believable than the other. I think this comes into play in a huge way here (since the reveals were only made to one person, and since no one knows when anyone else revealed, there really is no "first reveal" in that sense), and DT has that info while the rest of us don't, so I think it's on him to give us his opinion, while making sure not to out anyone who he thinks is giving an honest reveal. If I recall, it's not like DT suggested any candidates out of nowhere -- he just gave his more-informed opinion of the candidates that others had voted for.

wait... what? we have no meaningful voting record.. since it was an unopposed stampeded. and DT got Kwit lynched for nothing. he should have said, Kwhitt has told me he is a vanilla villager....so it wont kill us when he dies. instead of endorsing his lynching with no info!

vote passacaglia