Werewolf XCVIII - 24 Day Game Over - Post 2899

[claphamsa]

I disagree -- it looks there's a lot of movement in the voting record, even if you take out any effect that DT had on it.
yeah a lot of people stampeding to kwhitt after DT endorsed him.

[DaddyTorgo]

i need to make an excel spreadsheet of what everyone says their roles/powers are because going back and forth to my pile of PM's is becoming tedious

[Danny]

Dt, did you get my question about EF? Do you feel really good about trusting him?

[Alan T]

I have never seen the show 24, but Claphamsa I am assuming has a role on the show that likes being overly argumentative about everything. Who would that be in the tv show? :) :)

[Passacaglia]

yeah a lot of people stampeding to kwhitt after DT endorsed him.

I don't know how much clearer I can put it. There is info there, even if you *take out* any effect that DT had on it. By this, I mean that there were votes made before people followed DT on KWhit. Some of those were people following DT on ntn, but even if you take THOSE out, there are still other votes there for us to analyze.

[DaddyTorgo]

yeah a lot of people stampeding to kwhitt after DT endorsed him.

there's plenty of movement in the voting record even before i endorsed KWhit - the moving of BrianD multiple times, and the double run-up-and-down on NTN (how rare is that btw...crazy swing) among other things.

And if you read close enough Clap I did present several options based on what people PM'd to me (one of which was you let's not forget) and people were free to ask me questions/discuss with me/offer their opinion as to which of those options (fully disclosed that i was acting based on my read of PM's people sent to me) we should pursue for the day. I was what...the 5th vote on KWhit? At that point there was

a) sufficient other momentum moving towards him (votes 3,4)
b) it was later in the day
c) he was one of the three viable candidates
d) I made a gut-decision based on the info that I had

So trying to paint it as some sort of dictatorial move by me is pretty incorrect. And trying to get me worked up so that I get emotional so that people think that if/when my vote ends up on you today/tomorrow that it's a personal vendetta is not going to work either.

[DaddyTorgo]

Dt, did you get my question about EF? Do you feel really good about trusting him?

I don't feel that his dissapearance is related to whether he is good/bad if that is what you are getting at. It's related more towards the character that he is. But that character could be either good or bad.

[Passacaglia]

wait... what? we have no meaningful voting record.. since it was an unopposed stampeded. and DT got Kwit lynched for nothing. he should have said, Kwhitt has told me he is a vanilla villager....so it wont kill us when he dies. instead of endorsing his lynching with no info!

vote passacaglia

Also, again I've only skimmed this, but even I am pretty sure that KWhit did not tell DT that he is a vanilla villager.

1. KWhit was NOT a vanilla villager. Did you read his death reveal?
2. DT asked us which sounds more believable -- every 36 hours, or once per calendar week. KWhit's death reveal said he could use his wiretap once per calendar week.

I think this is the crux of your problem with DT. If you're thinking that DT wanted us to lynch KWhit because he was "just a vanilla villager" then yeah, that's a problem. But the reason DT thought we should go after KWhit is because he thought that his power seemed more fake.

[Passacaglia]

DT, can I ask what kind of read you have on clap? I'm thinking that I would have a lot more trust in him if he revealed his role and tell us he's good in the thread, then had you confirm that that's what he told you. But if you don't think that's a good idea, or have a better idea, that's cool with me.

[nfg22]

Yeah....I think DT made a good choice....but in the end he was wrong. I dont know much right now. I just know clap is pinging my wolfdar as you guys say. Very aggressive and very little reason. Alot of words, not much thought. I will be keeping my vote inside of my pocket for now but it is leaning that way.

[Danny]

DT, are you a fan and knowledgeable about the show 24?

[BrianD]

there's plenty of movement in the voting record even before i endorsed KWhit - the moving of BrianD multiple times, and the double run-up-and-down on NTN (how rare is that btw...crazy swing) among other things.


My multiple moves has come up twice now, and I wanted to address that. All of my moves had a reason which should be pretty clear from the posts. My vote for EagleFan was one of the first votes made trying to encourage others to vote and create a voting record. My switch to The Jackal happened when there was a 2-2 tie with PB. The intention here was to see who would start scrambling. I switched over to PB when DT let us know that lynching The Jackal was a bad idea. I then switched to KWhit when DT let us know that wasn't a bad vote.

Day 1 votes have no real reason behind them, and DT was the only one with any kind of information. Better to follow some information than none.

[Danny]

I'm off for a while, be back in the afternoon

[DaddyTorgo]

DT, can I ask what kind of read you have on clap? I'm thinking that I would have a lot more trust in him if he revealed his role and tell us he's good in the thread, then had you confirm that that's what he told you. But if you don't think that's a good idea, or have a better idea, that's cool with me.

Sounds good to me!

He's been pinging my wolfdar since yesterday, as I mentioned, he was one of the 3...now he's one of the 2 left from that intial "pinging"

[DaddyTorgo]

DT, are you a fan and knowledgeable about the show 24?

I watched the first couple seasons (first 2.5 maybe?). Then kinda fell off the wagon. But rest of the family are big fans.

[Tyrith]

*lies on the ground*

[DaddyTorgo]

*lies on the ground*

:(

[Passacaglia]

Sounds good to me!

He's been pinging my wolfdar since yesterday, as I mentioned, he was one of the 3...now he's one of the 2 left from that intial "pinging"

Is it a role that pretty much has to be a good guy's role, or is it something that a wolf could have also?

[DaddyTorgo]

Is it a role that pretty much has to be a good guy's role, or is it something that a wolf could have also?

could be either. if he's evil then the role is just a cover anyways

[Passacaglia]

could be either. if he's evil then the role is just a cover anyways

Fair enough, I guess. Clap, do you have a problem with revealing your role?

[Passacaglia]

Anyway, until we hear more from him...

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

[claphamsa]

Also, again I've only skimmed this, but even I am pretty sure that KWhit did not tell DT that he is a vanilla villager.

1. KWhit was NOT a vanilla villager. Did you read his death reveal?
2. DT asked us which sounds more believable -- every 36 hours, or once per calendar week. KWhit's death reveal said he could use his wiretap once per calendar week.

I think this is the crux of your problem with DT. If you're thinking that DT wanted us to lynch KWhit because he was "just a vanilla villager" then yeah, that's a problem. But the reason DT thought we should go after KWhit is because he thought that his power seemed more fake.

did you read my comment? oh wait no you said you didnt!

my comment was.... what could Kwitt have said to DT to make him think that it was a good idea to lynch him? NOTHING unless it was that he had no relevant role.

[claphamsa]

Sounds good to me!

He's been pinging my wolfdar since yesterday, as I mentioned, he was one of the 3...now he's one of the 2 left from that intial "pinging"
becauseof my PM? I don't want people to think you know something that you dont. we already have one dead villager because of you.

[ISiddiqui]

Better to follow some information than none.

Exactly. And hey, sometimes it may end up wrong, but its better than flailing around in the dark.

[claphamsa]

Is it a role that pretty much has to be a good guy's role, or is it something that a wolf could have also?
pass, if i was a wolf i would have just lied.

[Passacaglia]

did you read my comment? oh wait no you said you didnt!

my comment was.... what could Kwitt have said to DT to make him think that it was a good idea to lynch him? NOTHING unless it was that he had no relevant role.

I read your comment. When I said I only skimmed it, I meant that I only skimmed last night. I've got some work to take care of before I examine it more closely.

As for your comment, I thought I answered that for you: I believe that KWhit told him exactly what his role was (and I think that's pretty well documented in the thread yesterday), but it looked like it conflicted with other roles in a not-very-believable way. It seems likely to me that DT would reach the same conclusion that the majority of us would (kinda what makes it the majority) when evaluating the reveals, so I don't see the need to get hell bent about it.

[nfg22]

I may be wrong but I have a strongfeeling.


Vote Claphamsa

[claphamsa]

I may be wrong but I have a strongfeeling.


Vote Claphamsa

because i don think we should blindly trust DTs gut?

[Autumn]

because i don think we should blindly trust DTs gut?

It seems like you're discouraging us for using his info on votes, which should only help the wolves. DT, despite yestserday's result, is the most powerful weapon we have. As I said earlier I can't imagine how the wolves can beat us in the end with him. One way would be if we start ignoring his advice, which seems to be your intent.

Day one almost always ends with a villager lynched, it's not like following DT resulted in worse than that.

[Autumn]

Anyway, that's a really surprising night result. It seems they do get a "night kill", I'm not sure how the timing worked out with our lynch vote, maybe we can figure that out.

What do we make of two kills? Was one a wolf kill and one a villager/neutral kill? I wouldn't be surprised to know there was a villager who can make a kill. Maybe they knew JAG's role and assumed he was bad since he was a foreigner?

[path12]

my comment was.... what could Kwitt have said to DT to make him think that it was a good idea to lynch him? NOTHING unless it was that he had no relevant role.

It seems he had a pretty relevant role to me. Being able to dig into a possible suspect's PM's is just about as good as a scan.

I don't get where you're going here, clap. DT is our only known good. He is also going to be the main clearinghouse for information. I don't envy him his role.

[Autumn]

DT is our only known good. He is also going to be the main clearinghouse for information. I don't envy him his role.

Especially given he's the only one who doesn't have a chance with Kim Bauer.

[Autumn]

I need to get the voting record in some form that makes sense to me and examine it. But I'm inclined to either go after one of the vote getters yesterday to see what we learn, or follow DT's hunches, which at this point have me looking at clap, who certainly is making some suspicious noise, probably to try to discourage us from following a DT hunch that leads us right to him.

Actually the more I think about that the more I think clap's making a desperation move here. I'll hold my vote for now though.

[BrianD]

Anyway, that's a really surprising night result. It seems they do get a "night kill", I'm not sure how the timing worked out with our lynch vote, maybe we can figure that out.

What do we make of two kills? Was one a wolf kill and one a villager/neutral kill? I wouldn't be surprised to know there was a villager who can make a kill. Maybe they knew JAG's role and assumed he was bad since he was a foreigner?

I'm going under the assumption that we've got a wolf and a neutral kill. The "disease" sounds very much like a biological weapon that would be developed by the conspiracy. The throat-slitting sounds much more conventional. The fact that the victim of the throat-slitting was Marwan makes me think that he was targeted for being foreign. I think one of our fellow government members thought he knew something and took a shot.

[RendeR]

DT is having connection issues, he'll be on asap.

[Barkeep49]

Hoops has been tied down at a client work site this morning and thus not as available. I'm currently catching up and will be processing any needed actions shortly.

[Barkeep49]

This morning Eaglefan's cell phone once again started tracking. He is now once again available.

[Thomkal]

I don't know how much clearer I can put it. There is info there, even if you *take out* any effect that DT had on it. By this, I mean that there were votes made before people followed DT on KWhit. Some of those were people following DT on ntn, but even if you take THOSE out, there are still other votes there for us to analyze.

And when/if we do know the roles of the people who were up for the lynch yesterday we will have more insight into the voting. So there's a lot of potential info we can analyze from the day 1 vote.

[nfg22]

???
EF whats up?

[ISiddiqui]

Hmmm... I'm interested to see what Eaglefan can tell us. Maybe we can get some new clues.

[EagleFan]

Hi all. I am back but have nothing to tell as of yet. I had to go dark for a day to trigger another ability. I have been PM'ing DT throughout the day with my PM's. I was still allowed to use my 4 PM's yesterday, just not post. That is how he knew I was well.

It looks like a rather disappointing start.

I have a few suspicions based on what I have been reading but want to send some of that DT's way to let him sort things out. I am quite concerned with one event that took place but that is something for "Jack" and I to sort out at a much later date and time.

[BrianD]

So do we know anything more today that we did yesterday?

[The Jackal]

Bah, that was a crappy night phase.

clap, I'm really not sure why you have such a hardon for going after DT because of KWhit's lynch. Yeah, he was wrong about him, but presumably he received quite a few role reveals in PMs, and with absolutely no info to go on during day one, I think a lot of us were ok with him working up a candidate based on a sketchy role PM. Plus, others were suspicious of KWhit already anyways.

[The Jackal]

So do we know anything more today that we did yesterday?

Doesn't look like it, at least not publicly. I'm sure there are people that have learned some things, but I doubt it becomes public right away.

Voting today may have to be based off what could be considered suspicious votes from yesterday, maybe in combination with how DT is feeling.

[BrianD]

I've been looking back over the votes from yesterday, and nothing is really jumping out at me. One thing I noticed is that with all of the votes on PB, ntn, and Jackal, nobody really defended anyone and tried to pull votes off of them. People made their own defensive statements, but I didn't see any subtle manipulation to move votes away from them. The only thing that looked slightly weird was the second run on ntn, but at that time, only PB was also targeted.

I'm starting to wonder if both ntn and PB are good...in a game with no deadline and lynches happening as soon as there are enough votes...protecting wolves has to happen much more quickly.

[path12]

in a game with no deadline and lynches happening as soon as there are enough votes...protecting wolves has to happen much more quickly.

That's a good point I hadn't thought of.

[claphamsa]

Bah, that was a crappy night phase.

clap, I'm really not sure why you have such a hardon for going after DT because of KWhit's lynch. Yeah, he was wrong about him, but presumably he received quite a few role reveals in PMs, and with absolutely no info to go on during day one, I think a lot of us were ok with him working up a candidate based on a sketchy role PM. Plus, others were suspicious of KWhit already anyways.
I have no hard on.... unless there are cuthbert pics up!

What im trying ot say is.... we cant blindly follow DT! yes he has more info, but of how much value is it? unless someone PMs him and says im a wolf, or 2 pm him and say im the seer... its info, but thats it!

he needs to temper his statemtns of possible guilt unless he KNOWS something.

[path12]

I have no hard on.... unless there are cuthbert pics up!

What im trying ot say is.... we cant blindly follow DT! yes he has more info, but of how much value is it? unless someone PMs him and says im a wolf, or 2 pm him and say im the seer... its info, but thats it!

he needs to temper his statemtns of possible guilt unless he KNOWS something.

I actually agree with you that we can't blindly follow what DT says. After all, Jack is often led down some blind alleys.

You have to realize though that the one person who knows the most about what is going on in this game is DT. Everyone with a role good or bad will be going through him (I can't imagine why they wouldn't) and he's got to sift through everything and try and make some judgement as to what is real and what isn't.

But when you ask him specific questions, that bothers me. I don't want him talking in thread about everything he knows or hears. As he did yesterday, I trust that he will hint in thread when it is necessary.

And though I agree about following blindly, his opinion does carry weight and it should, and he should continue to give his opinion where he feels it is valid.

How others react to that might tell us a lot, IMO.

[The Jackal]

Yeah, as long as we don't revert to mob mentality and keep discussion ongoing I think we can avoid following DT too blindly, especially if there's no clear info.

[Barkeep49]

As a note: I am currently in contact with DT, but he's having problems accessing the site for unknown reasons.

[nfg22]

Seriously Clap...from what I know your an experienced player. Your replies have been very emotional and seem to have only pushed more suspicionyour way. If you want to disgree with DT that is fine but to make him out to be part of the conspiracy is ludacris. I know you never said that out right but you have done nothing but poke at him. Instead of saying why he is wrong, tell us why you are right. Give us a reason to follow you.

[kingfc22]

I think I need to find a way to reformat this that is easier for me to follow, but this is potentially valuable.

We had three decent runs on people yesterday: ntn, Purdue and KWhit. What interests me are those who jumped on more than one of those. Especially anyone who jumped on all three.

For instance, BrianD was the third vote on The Jackal. He then jumped to be the third vote on Purdue Brad, and finally jumped again to the KWhit train.

It was also interesting to see that double run on ntn, up to 9 votes then down to five and back up to 8. If anything that makes me feel better about him, for it's hard to imagine wolves letting two runs go on a fellow baddie. (with the caveat that day 1 anything is possible).

Thanks for putting that together, king.

Like I mentioned, I thought somebody looked suspicious and now that path has brought it up I will go and throw it out there that BrianD looks the worst to me.

Path - I can work on re-formatting it. What would you like me to adjust.

[claphamsa]

Seriously Clap...from what I know your an experienced player. Your replies have been very emotional and seem to have only pushed more suspicionyour way. If you want to disgree with DT that is fine but to make him out to be part of the conspiracy is ludacris. I know you never said that out right but you have done nothing but poke at him. Instead of saying why he is wrong, tell us why you are right. Give us a reason to follow you.
im not questioning DT and im not saying hes part of the conspiracy! im saying he needs to not present his opinions in a way that will lead to silly runaways (last night) since we dont learn anything from that.

[BrianD]

Like I mentioned, I thought somebody looked suspicious and now that path has brought it up I will go and throw it out there that BrianD looks the worst to me.

Path - I can work on re-formatting it. What would you like me to adjust.

I've already explained my votes, but you can suspect me if you'd like.

[Passacaglia]

Fair enough, I guess. Clap, do you have a problem with revealing your role?

clap, not sure if you missed this question from earlier this morning (post 774 I think)

[claphamsa]

clap, not sure if you missed this question from earlier this morning (post 774 I think)
if i thought there was a reason i wouldn't. its one of those roles that could be useful... but the stars have to align.

so no pass you dont need to go out of our way to night kill me.

[BrianD]

I think Clap wins the paranoid award. :)

[nfg22]

Or the wolf award??

[JAG]

As a note: I am currently in contact with DT, but he's having problems accessing the site for unknown reasons.

Quite the nefarious Conspirator ability!

*goes back to his grave*

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmph - one ipconfig /renew and i'm back apparently. albeit running slowly.

let me catch up...i see i have a couple PM's too.

[path12]

Like I mentioned, I thought somebody looked suspicious and now that path has brought it up I will go and throw it out there that BrianD looks the worst to me.

Path - I can work on re-formatting it. What would you like me to adjust.

I guess what I'm looking for is what the overall picture looked like at a given time.

For example, path votes ntn (4). Jackal & ntn 4, clap 3, pass 2, brian 1. (no offense anyone!)

For me, I get a better picture that way of who might be being protected/tossed under the bus.

If you can do that it would be awesome. I'm going to try for something like that if I can get my boss off my ass for an hour or so.

[kingfc22]

I've already explained my votes, but you can suspect me if you'd like.

Just caught up with the rest of the thread now. I like your post about how nobody defended those targeted yesterday.

For now, you are back down off of my suspicion list.

[kingfc22]

I guess what I'm looking for is what the overall picture looked like at a given time.

For example, path votes ntn (4). Jackal & ntn 4, clap 3, pass 2, brian 1. (no offense anyone!)

For me, I get a better picture that way of who might be being protected/tossed under the bus.

If you can do that it would be awesome. I'm going to try for something like that if I can get my boss off my ass for an hour or so.

That should be easy enough.

[path12]

Or the wolf award??

Not as much in my mind, not with coming out so directly. Wouldn't mind him being scanned at some point, but for now I'm looking in other directions.

[Poli]

Beep, beep, beep...

[DaddyTorgo]

Especially given he's the only one who doesn't have a chance with Kim Bauer.

damnit - i don't??? :rant:

[BrianD]

Or the wolf award??

I don't know...he is jumping on DT awfully hard. Seems like bad wolf behavior if he really is one. I'm not saying he isn't, but he is just painting such a big target on his back.

[nfg22]

DT. I just recieved a PM from someone...I assume you know about it. Should I comply or not?

[DaddyTorgo]

i've had my suspiscions of brian this morning based on the voting from yesterday somewhat, but his statements in-thread have done a lot to mitigate that.

and i think i've been pretty clear about wanting to encourage villager discussion and putting good disclaimers on everything i've said.

[DaddyTorgo]

let's see if i can do some responding to specific points in PM in-thread -- does anybody think that's a bad idea, if i keep the answers very vague like "re: your first point - no" or "re: line #8 - yes" ?

Does anybody see a way that that might be a negative?

[claphamsa]

i personally like it, it will give us an idea of whats going on, withotu names....

[DaddyTorgo]

DT. I just recieved a PM from someone...I assume you know about it. Should I comply or not?

I have no knowledge of this PM you received as of yet.

[path12]

damnit - i don't??? :rant:

She was just OK.

Oops. Sorry, Jack.

[DaddyTorgo]

are the mods okay with that? it's not circumventing the spirit of the game?

[DaddyTorgo]

She was just OK.

Oops. Sorry, Jack.

did u hit it from behind and wear a hockey helmet? i hear she likes that :p

[DaddyTorgo]

FYI - for those who want some idea of what's going on - i've received since the game started, 40 PM's

[Barkeep49]

FYI - for those who want some idea of what's going on - i've received since the game started, 40 PM's
Amateur.

[hoopsguy]

are the mods okay with that? it's not circumventing the spirit of the game?

That is acceptable, even if it might not make for the most interesting reading for everyone without context :p

[DaddyTorgo]

Amateur.

yeah yeah. i can only imagine what your inbox is like

[path12]

did u hit it from behind and wear a hockey helmet? i hear she likes that :p

It was a goalie mask rather than a helmet, but that's just how I roll.

[DaddyTorgo]

It was a goalie mask rather than a helmet, but that's just how I roll.

:eek:

HELLZ YEAH!!!!! :D

[DaddyTorgo]

okay - not sure if everyone saves their sent PM's like i do so i will address my answers to specific people

[ntndeacon]

Anyway, that's a really surprising night result. It seems they do get a "night kill", I'm not sure how the timing worked out with our lynch vote, maybe we can figure that out.

What do we make of two kills? Was one a wolf kill and one a villager/neutral kill? I wouldn't be surprised to know there was a villager who can make a kill. Maybe they knew JAG's role and assumed he was bad since he was a foreigner?

Well since the brutal villager was taken out, isn't it likely that JAG himself took out Tyrith?

[Autumn]

It was a goalie mask rather than a helmet, but that's just how I roll.

Take it to the Penthouse Forum, please. ;-)

[path12]

Well since the brutal villager was taken out, isn't it likely that JAG himself took out Tyrith?

If I read it right the brutal only applied in case of a lynch.

[path12]

Take it to the Penthouse Forum, please. ;-)

Dear Sirs,

I never believed the letters in your magazine, but I had an experience recently that I just have to share.......

[ntndeacon]

If I read it right the brutal only applied in case of a lynch.

oops
Never Mind!

[BrianD]

UNVOTE PB 7 – BrianD (579)
KWhit 3 – BrianD (579)
UNVOTE PB 6 – autumn (581)
KWhit 4 – autumn (581)
KWhit 5 – Daddy Torgo (596)
UNVOTE PB 5 – Telle (598)
KWhit 6 – Telle (598)
UNVOTE PB 4 - ISiddiqui (599)
KWhit 7 – Isiddiqui (599)
KWhit 8 – Alan (600)
UNVOTE ntn 7 – PB (602)
KWhit 9 – PB (602)

Grasping at straws here, but the list above is the tail-end of the voting run yesterday. Does anybody think it strange that for everyone that ran on KWhit, almost all of the movers moved off of PB and the only person to move off of ntn was PB himself? Shouldn't we expect people from all over to move to the DT-endorsed KWhit vote? Is there something we should be looking at here?

[nfg22]

I have no knowledge of this PM you received as of yet.

I have one more hour till I can send you a PM about it. I will wait till then or maybe later so I can send multiple replies.

[DaddyTorgo]

I have one more hour till I can send you a PM about it. I will wait till then or maybe later so I can send multiple replies.


aaaah okay

[DaddyTorgo]

PM's from after-lynch last night & today:

@henry: *waves*
@Autumn: yes *nods*
@CR: *waves*
@Tyrith: *sad face*
@BrianD: interesting...thinking
@nfg: interesting
@Alan: re: line 11 - ?, - (1.5 days) , +
@path: perhaps
@EF: re: line 7 - ?, +, +
@ISiddiqui: *waves* time for coffee? Interesting. Will think on that.

[ISiddiqui]

It's almost time for coffee ;).

[Passacaglia]

DT, I can't believe you told the wolves all that stuff. Clap was right, you suck!!

[Autumn]

Grasping at straws here, but the list above is the tail-end of the voting run yesterday. Does anybody think it strange that for everyone that ran on KWhit, almost all of the movers moved off of PB and the only person to move off of ntn was PB himself? Shouldn't we expect people from all over to move to the DT-endorsed KWhit vote? Is there something we should be looking at here?

That is odd. I'm guessing it's an anomaly though as I can't seehow it would make sense otherwise. It suggests that people were glad to either have NTN or Kwhit be the lynch, but not PB. But if so why would they have all voted PB in the first place, instead of piling on NTN or going elsewhere?

I would guess it just had to do with the NTN voters having been earlier in the day and the PB voters the ones who were on later. That was my impression at least, that PB gained momentum as NTN seemed a runaway.

[DaddyTorgo]

DT, I can't believe you told the wolves all that stuff. Clap was right, you suck!!

:lol:

In all seriousness though - I tried very hard to be very nondescript in those responses.

If I knew that everyone was saving copies of their outgoing messages I would not even have referred to the senders at all but simply to the times.

[DaddyTorgo]

It's almost time for coffee ;).

yes indeed. t-minus 40 minutes and counting!

[ISiddiqui]

I do love that everyone on my Twitter/Facebook friends list (which includes a bevy of FOFC posters) know my coffee schedule by heart :D. I've trained y'all well ;).

[Autumn]

PM's from after-lynch last night & today:

@henry: *waves*
@Autumn: yes *nods*
@CR: *waves*
@Tyrith: *sad face*
@BrianD: interesting...thinking
@nfg: interesting
@Alan: re: line 11 - ?, - (1.5 days) , +
@path: perhaps
@EF: re: line 7 - ?, +, +
@ISiddiqui: *waves* time for coffee? Interesting. Will think on that.

This is cracking me up.

[DaddyTorgo]

I do love that everyone on my Twitter/Facebook friends list (which includes a bevy of FOFC posters) know my coffee schedule by heart :D. I've trained y'all well ;).


lol - it helps that it's the same as mine

[ntndeacon]

coffee is over rated

[DaddyTorgo]

I have one more hour till I can send you a PM about it. I will wait till then or maybe later so I can send multiple replies.

eh - i'm still not sure how your role can be of value to us so idk how much we'll need to talk about it. i'm curious about what the PM asks you to do though, that's for sure.

[DaddyTorgo]

coffee is over rated

VOTE NTNDEACON

[DaddyTorgo]

UNVOTE NTNDEACON

[DaddyTorgo]

the preceeding vote was just a joke

[ISiddiqui]

LOLOL! Would have been so worth it ;).

[Passacaglia]

coffee is over rated

I'm with you. I'm trying to cut down. It gives me the shakes, which makes me eat more, which makes it harder to lose weight.

[claphamsa]

Coffee is nasty! 1.5 Gallons of ice tea before 9AM no need for more caffeine.

[ISiddiqui]

Jack Bauer is going to kill all of you! :mad:

[Alan T]

:lol:

In all seriousness though - I tried very hard to be very nondescript in those responses.

If I knew that everyone was saving copies of their outgoing messages I would not even have referred to the senders at all but simply to the times.


You did a good job being nondescript .. to the point I'm not sure what you are telling me in response to me! :)

I think it has to do with my screen resolution making line 11 different then what you see as line 11 perhaps.

[BrianD]

Has Telle been on today? I'm thinking of sending a vote in that direction and am wondering if anyone else has a gut-feel?

[Autumn]

You did a good job being nondescript .. to the point I'm not sure what you are telling me in response to me! :)

I think it has to do with my screen resolution making line 11 different then what you see as line 11 perhaps.

Quick everyone, synchronize our browsers.

[Autumn]

Has Telle been on today? I'm thinking of sending a vote in that direction and am wondering if anyone else has a gut-feel?

I'd be glad to see another candidate. I don't have a feel on her though, can you point at anything that made you suspicious?

[path12]

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

Just curious more than anything else. Probably will change later.

[DaddyTorgo]

You did a good job being nondescript .. to the point I'm not sure what you are telling me in response to me! :)

I think it has to do with my screen resolution making line 11 different then what you see as line 11 perhaps.

bugger that. let me put it in better context for you. 4th paragraph, first line. first 3 sentences (btw the answer to the 3rd sentence is "yes")

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't think Telle's our best option. She may indeed be a wolf, but there are higher probability options.

[BrianD]

I'd be glad to see another candidate. I don't have a feel on her though, can you point at anything that made you suspicious?

Nothing solid. Looking at the vote history yesterday, Telle made almost every move I did...after I did. I don't believe she had explanations for the moves like I did, and I don't believe she was breaking ties to make people defend themselves, like I did. She may have been trying to join bandwagons before they got too established.

Like I said, pretty weak.

[Thomkal]

Hmmmm, I may have to vote for one of you coffee-haters now. ;) How's that for a frivoulous reason for a vote?

[Thomkal]

Has Telle been on today? I'm thinking of sending a vote in that direction and am wondering if anyone else has a gut-feel?

she voted for KWhit which is the only thing I have going for a reason to vote for anyone today. I really do think there had to be some wolves amongst those voters. Other than that nope no gut-feel on her, I find her hard to read in these games generally though.

[DaddyTorgo]

mmm coffee break time!

[claphamsa]

4th paragraph in a PM?

[Alan T]

bugger that. let me put it in better context for you. 4th paragraph, first line. first 3 sentences (btw the answer to the 3rd sentence is "yes")


That is better, thanks. So my response is ," The red cow howls at the moonlight".









Sorry, my response doesn't actually mean anything, but it felt very much like the movie "Get Smart" :)

[Alan T]

4th paragraph in a PM?


When I only have 4 PMs a day to send, I have to maximize the amount of discussion. :)

[DaddyTorgo]

4th paragraph in a PM?

you know Alan, he's a chatty guy.

[DaddyTorgo]

When I only have 4 PMs a day to send, I have to maximize the amount of discussion. :)

Yeppers. Absolutely!

[DaddyTorgo]

That is better, thanks. So my response is ," The red cow howls at the moonlight".


OMG...it does???

VOTE HOOPSGUY

[claphamsa]

When I only have 4 PMs a day to send, I have to maximize the amount of discussion. :)
oh I agree! I went all out with my info, and inflated it to 3 sentances

[BrianD]

I don't think Telle's our best option. She may indeed be a wolf, but there are higher probability options.

I'm willing to take a suggestion if you have one. Until then, we need people to vote. Everyone seems paralyzed by inaction.

Vote Telle

[Autumn]

I'm willing to take a suggestion if you have one. Until then, we need people to vote. Everyone seems paralyzed by inaction.

Vote Telle

Anyone have a vote count?

[Thomkal]

OMG...it does???

VOTE HOOPSGUY

LOL I think this game may generate the most paranoia of any other Werewolf game. Everybody's going to be going around looking for code words and counting how many letters on a line now. LOL.

[Alan T]

LOL I think this game may generate the most paranoia of any other Werewolf game. Everybody's going to be going around looking for code words and counting how many letters on a line now. LOL.


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[DaddyTorgo]

I'm willing to take a suggestion if you have one. Until then, we need people to vote. Everyone seems paralyzed by inaction.

Vote Telle

I don't suppose you'd entertain "Vote BrianD" as a suggesion would you? ;) You're in that "pre-DT KWhit voters" grouping.

well as far as suggestions there's the 2 other people i was considering yesterday.

logic in my head says to treat it like a typical double-reveal, you lynch one and then if that's the wrong one you lynch the other and you have a wolf. but alan pointed out in his PM to me that that might not necessarily be the best course of action. there's also this "i'm looking for other computer people. we can combine our efforts and make a super-power" that somebody said to me, when i've had no other computer-folks tell me that they had such ability.

[hoopsguy]

Hmmmm, I may have to vote for one of you coffee-haters now. ;) How's that for a frivoulous reason for a vote?

If you are looking for one, you can start with this moderator :eek:

[Thomkal]

Wh

y would you s

ay that wo

uld occur

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no idea really Alan.

+2 -a=c

[Thomkal]

If you are looking for one, you can start with this moderator :eek:


Oooh permission to vote for the moderator, how can I turn that up?

vote hoopsguy

:D

[Barkeep49]

Anyone have a vote count?
I believe hoops has two votes.

[hoopsguy]

Anyone have a vote count?

I think I'm leading :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

Seriously, I'll look to post one in the next few minutes.

[Barkeep49]

Current vote count:

Chief Rum: Danny (652, 8:18 PM)
Passacaglia: Clap (754, 8:15 AM)
Claphamsa: Pass (775, 8:57 AM) nfg (781, 9:21 AM)
Purdue: path (867, 1:55)
Telle: BrianD (881, 2:23 PM)

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm being somewhat evasive as I talk about my thoughts for who to vote for because I don't want to reveal who those people are unless/until we decide to vote for them, since it could be harmful to them if they are indeed good, but does anybody have any general thoughts on the two people I am suspicious of up there above?

[Autumn]

Clap is the only one that has pinged my wolfdar out of that list. Purdue I could see voting for just to get some clarity on yesterday's vote, though NTN's up and down seems more suspicious, I mean to go back and look at that voting record.

[PurdueBrad]

I do not DT, although one of those people might very well be me. There isn't anyone up there that I wouldn't consider voting for (except of course myself) at this point.

[DaddyTorgo]

Clap is the only one that has pinged my wolfdar out of that list. Purdue I could see voting for just to get some clarity on yesterday's vote, though NTN's up and down seems more suspicious, I mean to go back and look at that voting record.

this is what i meant, not the list of people already with votes on them.

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well as far as suggestions there's the 2 other people i was considering yesterday.

logic in my head says to treat it like a typical double-reveal, you lynch one and then if that's the wrong one you lynch the other and you have a wolf. but alan pointed out in his PM to me that that might not necessarily be the best course of action. there's also this "i'm looking for other computer people. we can combine our efforts and make a super-power" that somebody said to me, when i've had no other computer-folks tell me that they had such ability.
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[Alan T]

I'm being somewhat evasive as I talk about my thoughts for who to vote for because I don't want to reveal who those people are unless/until we decide to vote for them, since it could be harmful to them if they are indeed good, but does anybody have any general thoughts on the two people I am suspicious of up there above?


The two people you are referring to is Mr.Computer Person or Mr 36 hour person?

I already told you my thoughts on Mr.36 hour person. Basically my observation thus far is various people have all kinds of time restraints on their roles and the times do not seem consistant. Some have hourly constraints and others have a week (such as Kwhit) just from what I have observed so far. So I'm not sure someone feels that guilty to me for having a power that can occur every 36 hours (or whatever the case may be). Unless there is more to it that I am missing.

As for Mr.Computer guy, I guess I would feel a bit more skeptical about multiple computer guys talking to you about their roles but only one of them mentioning they have some super power when used with the others. I would assume the others would have known about that as well? I think that is easily enough avoided simply by some of the others PMing you to confirm that is indeed the case though. If none of them do, I guess that isn't a horrible route in my mind.. but part of that vote would be out of lack of understanding roles/rules more than how someone has played. That type of vote doesn't always do well though.

Of the two options though, I would think the latter is a strong vote choice.. but I'm not sure that I would simply base my vote entirely on either of those.

[DaddyTorgo]

Oh - hey...you know who you are - thanks!

[Telle]

What was Alan's reasoning for not voting for the "double reveal" person? I can see that with so many roles there may be some some perceived overlap. I suppose it comes down to just how identical the roles were.

And as for the other one, I'm not sure what to think. Seems like an odd thing to claim if it's not true. But then again it's not easy to prove the person false either.. you can't just say "show me your power" because they'll just claim that they can't do it until they find everybody.

[Passacaglia]

I'm being somewhat evasive as I talk about my thoughts for who to vote for because I don't want to reveal who those people are unless/until we decide to vote for them, since it could be harmful to them if they are indeed good, but does anybody have any general thoughts on the two people I am suspicious of up there above?

I have some suspicion of BrianD, but I didn't want to give up on the fact that I really don't like how clap didn't reveal his role. I'll dig up the post of his that pinged me.

[Alan T]

What was Alan's reasoning for not voting for the "double reveal" person? I can see that with so many roles there may be some some perceived overlap. I suppose it comes down to just how identical the roles were.

And as for the other one, I'm not sure what to think. Seems like an odd thing to claim if it's not true. But then again it's not easy to prove the person false either.. you can't just say "show me your power" because they'll just claim that they can't do it until they find everybody.


I paraphrased my thinking in my previous post. I think at least what I stated in that post is fairly similar reasons I presented to DT without some of the specifics included.

[claphamsa]

I have some suspicion of BrianD, but I didn't want to give up on the fact that I really don't like how clap didn't reveal his role. I'll dig up the post of his that pinged me.
considering your the only who has given any indication that i should.... and im convinced your a wolf... why the hell would i reveal?


if DT sez its a good idea i will..... its not like im the seer or anythign!

[Autumn]

Ah, I see DT. I think either of those would be a reasonable choice. My understanding is that 36 hour dude had a suspiciously similar power to KWhit. Might be worth checking, I would expect with 24 roles there would be lots of similiarites, but not something that basically overlaps. Computer dude certainly sounds like an invented role if no one else is seeming to sync with it. Both would make good scans rather than lynches. But at this point nothing much to lynch based on either.

[DaddyTorgo]

i just sent you a PM alan.

[Autumn]

considering your the only who has given any indication that i should.... and im convinced your a wolf... why the hell would i reveal?


if DT sez its a good idea i will..... its not like im the seer or anythign!

Clap as far as I can tell you voted Pass, and apparently think he's a wolf, simply because he got on you this morning. Why so certain about him?

[path12]

Clap is the only one that has pinged my wolfdar out of that list. Purdue I could see voting for just to get some clarity on yesterday's vote, though NTN's up and down seems more suspicious, I mean to go back and look at that voting record.

The ntn second run is not as interesting to me once Tyrith was killed, since I think he was the one that started it back up......but that's just my recollection.

[Autumn]

i just sent you a PM alan.

I'd be a litle wary about making those announcements. Seems likely the wolves could have a wiretap type role themselves.

[DaddyTorgo]

last time clap was so fast-n-loose he was a villager, right?

[DaddyTorgo]

I'd be a litle wary about making those announcements. Seems likely the wolves could have a wiretap type role themselves.

good point. there wasn't really anything in it that they wouldn't know though.

[Autumn]

good point. there wasn't really anything in it that they wouldn't know though.

I'm just thinking for the future mostly. I can't imagine they'd use something like that this early.

[path12]

I'd be a litle wary about making those announcements. Seems likely the wolves could have a wiretap type role themselves.

Agreed. I think it's likely they do, based on the one season of the show I've seen.

[Passacaglia]

Somebody help me out with this. There are 4 characters listed in post 1 under the heading of "conspirator". Does this just mean that they were conspirators on the show and not necessarily in this game? I can see where anyone in CTU or in the government could really be a conspirator, but in this game, is it possible that people listed as conspirators could really be good?

That's cool, now I know not to assume any absolutes. If I see a Habib Marwan come out in the game, I know I can be suspicious but shouldn't be absolutely sure he is bad. That gives me what I was looking for. Thanks.

The last one was the big one. My hunch was that he was Habib Marwan and was evil, and he wanted to find out whether or not he could reveal as himself or if he needed to use one of the roles he knew wasn't in the game. Obviously, he's not Habib, but it probably makes more sense that he wouldn't choose the exact conspirator he is, anyway.

Comparing that to JAG, who was Habib Marwan and was good:

I get the feeling people are making this too difficult.

The faction of the players, with the exception of Jack Bauer, is not predicated on the actions on the television show.

To me that reads that no matter whether a character was 'good' or 'bad' on the show, does not impact whether they are 'good' or 'bad' in this game. Kim Bauer might be the head of the Conspirators (maybe she'll be that in next season's 24 too), Habib Marwan might work for the Government for a pardon. Make up whatever backstory you want, but other than Jack, any other role is fair game for a good, neutral, or evil role.

As a "TV Show villain" who was good, he seems a lot more sure of himself about how it works. I know Brian explained his votes this morning, but because of my hunch here, I've been taking that explanation with a grain of salt.

[Passacaglia]

considering your the only who has given any indication that i should.... and im convinced your a wolf... why the hell would i reveal?


if DT sez its a good idea i will..... its not like im the seer or anythign!

He actually has -- check post 768.

[Alan T]

I'd be a litle wary about making those announcements. Seems likely the wolves could have a wiretap type role themselves.


I type my PMs fully in Swahili. So they'll have to translate as well.

[DaddyTorgo]

yeah - JAG came out to me right away as Habib and said "listen i know you might think i'm bad and screwing with you, but hear me out" and actually wrote me probably the longest "this is who i am" PM of anyone.

[DaddyTorgo]

I type my PMs fully in Swahili. So they'll have to translate as well.

hmmm - not a bad idea. google-translater and establish a language to use with each person

*paranoia running wild*

[claphamsa]

He actually has -- check post 768.


Uh.... i dont know how to do multi quotes... but its clearly not what he said in 768

[Alan T]

yeah - JAG came out to me right away as Habib and said "listen i know you might think i'm bad and screwing with you, but hear me out" and actually wrote me probably the longest "this is who i am" PM of anyone.


Longer than mine?

I need to work harder at this whole thing.

[DaddyTorgo]

alan - definately not the role you suggested, so toss that out. haven't gotten confirmation from others that it's possible at all.

[Autumn]

This is what I saw of the NTN up and down swings.

Put NTN Up
Alan
Kwhit
Kingfc
Nfg22
Thomkal

Put NTN Down
DT
Alan
NFG22
path

Put NTN Up
Tyirth
Purdue
Schmidty

If this all means something I think it would mean that NTN was a wolf that they unsuccessfully tried to keep out of the voting. In that context the vote that interests me most is NFG22, who comes off of NTN and quickly puts a vote on KWhit, KWhit's second vote, introducing him as a viable candidate. He jumped on to NTN in the first place as the 8th vote at which point it may have looked like a runaway, and then jumped off soon after DT and Alan did, which gives him some cover.

It's not a whole lot, but it's the best I can get so far out of the record, which is a mess. I'm going to follow it with a vote because I feel like we need some voting action, but I may change.

<b>VOTE NFG22</B>

[DaddyTorgo]

oh, and happy anniversary Alan!

[Passacaglia]

DT, can I ask what kind of read you have on clap? I'm thinking that I would have a lot more trust in him if he revealed his role and tell us he's good in the thread, then had you confirm that that's what he told you. But if you don't think that's a good idea, or have a better idea, that's cool with me.

Sounds good to me!

He's been pinging my wolfdar since yesterday, as I mentioned, he was one of the 3...now he's one of the 2 left from that intial "pinging"

There you go, clap. I don't know how you can say he's not saying he would like you to reveal also. But since he's in the thread, I'm sure he can confirm it for us.

[Autumn]

I type my PMs fully in Swahili. So they'll have to translate as well.

Sure, plenty of clicks! nyuk nyuk nyuk

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

[EagleFan]

vote Chief Rum

Something just wasn't right about yesteryday/night. Of course I may still be stinging from the pain.

[DaddyTorgo]

Sure, plenty of clicks! nyuk nyuk nyuk

that's Bushman - and it's awesome!

[DaddyTorgo]

vote Chief Rum

Something just wasn't right about yesteryday/night. Of course I may still be stinging from the pain.

if anybody's stinging from the pain it'd be CR

[BrianD]

The last one was the big one. My hunch was that he was Habib Marwan and was evil, and he wanted to find out whether or not he could reveal as himself or if he needed to use one of the roles he knew wasn't in the game. Obviously, he's not Habib, but it probably makes more sense that he wouldn't choose the exact conspirator he is, anyway.

Comparing that to JAG, who was Habib Marwan and was good:



As a "TV Show villain" who was good, he seems a lot more sure of himself about how it works. I know Brian explained his votes this morning, but because of my hunch here, I've been taking that explanation with a grain of salt.

This is actually pretty decent logic. Of course you overlooked the possibility that I have a character who was good on the show and thus had no clue about how the "bad looking character" mechanic worked.

But go ahead and take my explanation with a grain of salt. While I think it is wrong to distrust me, I've really given no reason for you to trust me either. I fully admit that I'm no better than an "unknown" at this point.

[DaddyTorgo]

While I think it is wrong to distrust me, I've really given no reason for you to trust me either. I fully admit that I'm no better than an "unknown" at this point.

+1

[Passacaglia]

This is actually pretty decent logic. Of course you overlooked the possibility that I have a character who was good on the show and thus had no clue about how the "bad looking character" mechanic worked.

But go ahead and take my explanation with a grain of salt. While I think it is wrong to distrust me, I've really given no reason for you to trust me either. I fully admit that I'm no better than an "unknown" at this point.

I wouldn't say I overlooked it -- it's just a hunch after all. I wasn't even going to mention it today until DT specifically asked. Well, I might have, if things had turned out differently with clap.

[Alan T]

oh, and happy anniversary Alan!


Thanks! Because of a huge work project I'm on, we technically celebrated two weekends ago. But going to try to at least do a small dinner somewhere tonight.

[BrianD]

I don't suppose you'd entertain "Vote BrianD" as a suggesion would you? ;) You're in that "pre-DT KWhit voters" grouping.

well as far as suggestions there's the 2 other people i was considering yesterday.

logic in my head says to treat it like a typical double-reveal, you lynch one and then if that's the wrong one you lynch the other and you have a wolf. but alan pointed out in his PM to me that that might not necessarily be the best course of action. there's also this "i'm looking for other computer people. we can combine our efforts and make a super-power" that somebody said to me, when i've had no other computer-folks tell me that they had such ability.

That wouldn't be my first suggestion. :) After missing your "The Jackal isn't a good place for a vote" clue, and your question about programmers actually being an in-game question, I was just excited to catch your "the vote for KWhit is NOT a bad vote" clue, and I jumped on it. You may say I am a pre-DT vote on KWhit, but I had assumed your comment was as good as a vote.

[EagleFan]

if anybody's stinging from the pain it'd be CR

Sorry Jack but your daughter was into some kinky stuff in that cabin yesterday... :devil:

:popcorn:

[BrianD]

For the record, I'm heading out for dinner and drinks before 5:00CDT. I'm not sure if I'll be back by the time the lynch happens. I'm still willing to change my vote between now and then.

[Autumn]

vote Chief Rum

Something just wasn't right about yesteryday/night. Of course I may still be stinging from the pain.

I'm not following. Do you mean something that happened in thread, or something about your disappearance?

[Alan T]

I don't know if I see necessarily eye to eye with DT regarding what Claphamsa is doing with his actions in the thread thus far, but I think he is a decent vote choice. At best, he has been difficult towards many today and at worst he is acting this way to try to cover something up perhaps.

Based on limited information to go on, I'll go and vote for him as well just to see how it plays out at least. I can always change my vote later if I want to. (Even though I'm leaving in about 30-40 minutes for a few hours)


Vote Claphamsa

[BrianD]

I wouldn't say I overlooked it -- it's just a hunch after all. I wasn't even going to mention it today until DT specifically asked. Well, I might have, if things had turned out differently with clap.

Fair enough, I just wanted to point it out in case anyone else read your post and overlooked it. :)

[EagleFan]

I'm not following. Do you mean something that happened in thread, or something about your disappearance?

Reading along last night something struck me as odd about his vote when he made it. Since that time I have been given no reason to not suspect him.

[Autumn]

Clap certainly is acting squirrely, though I don't quite understand why or what it means. From your comment Alan I take it that there's some implication to it that DT understands.

I'm inclined to follow DT's vote but trying to resist jumping too quick, we see how that worked.

[DaddyTorgo]

That wouldn't be my first suggestion. :) After missing your "The Jackal isn't a good place for a vote" clue, and your question about programmers actually being an in-game question, I was just excited to catch your "the vote for KWhit is NOT a bad vote" clue, and I jumped on it. You may say I am a pre-DT vote on KWhit, but I had assumed your comment was as good as a vote.


fair enough

[Alan T]

Clap certainly is acting squirrely, though I don't quite understand why or what it means. From your comment Alan I take it that there's some implication to it that DT understands.

I'm inclined to follow DT's vote but trying to resist jumping too quick, we see how that worked.


I don't want to speak for DT, but I don't have any problem speaking for myself. I play alot on gut feelings, but can't do as well with that when I'm busier and have a harder time following along (like I am this week due to work). Still, I have gut feelings at times, and as such my interpretation of why Claphamsa is behaving the way he is (or a possibility at least) that I presented to DT in private and have no intention of sharing here is one that he doesn't think is likely. Keep in mind though that DT and I often are on different pages in regards to my gut feels about things, so don't take too much salt on that.

I'm simply saying that I think I likely have a different reason for voting Clap then DT does.. but either way I fully encourage others to vote with a reason either for him or someone else.

[DaddyTorgo]

yes - please don't all blindly follow me. i'll try to guide you away from bad choices.

[DaddyTorgo]

alan - i think we're pretty often on vastly different pages with regard to gut feelings

[DaddyTorgo]

For the record, I'm heading out for dinner and drinks before 5:00CDT. I'm not sure if I'll be back by the time the lynch happens. I'm still willing to change my vote between now and then.

your vote is where now? nfg?

[DaddyTorgo]

alan - i think we're pretty often on vastly different pages with regard to gut feelings

to claim otherwise would be understating it. but we can be good sounding boards for each other cuz of that.

[BrianD]

I still think Clap was being awfully loud when he really had no reason to be so loud. I'm hesitant to vote against DT, but Clap just seems to be too out in the open to be bad. Then again, if DT and Alan have two separate reasons for not trusting Clap, I might be missing something.

[BrianD]

your vote is where now? nfg?

My vote is currently on Telle.

[saldana]

so work exploded about 10 minutes before i had to leave the office, and i havent really had time to catch up past mid afternoon, so apologies if missed something important.

i am going to vote for the sake of making sure i am on the record with soemthing....i voted for jackal yesterday for the sake of having someone to vote for, but i didnt really like the way he responded to that...i thought he was overly defensive, yeah the reason i voted him was dumb, but it was day one and i thought he was a little over angry.

vote the jackal

[Autumn]

Crikey, what a mess. Well, I think we have a lot of possible candidates. Clap struck me this morning as desperately trying to get out of DT's radar. I agree, Brian, he was a litlte loud about it, but he may have thought he had no choice. I'm going to do this for now.

<b>UNVOTE NFG22
VOTE CLAPHAMSA</B>

[kingfc22]

I'm not getting any good reads on anyone at the moment, but just to see what happens...

I'm going to Vote NFG22

FYI - I'll be pretty quiet today due to a death in my fiancee's family. I have to bring her to the airport a little later.

Expect to see more of me tomorrow for sure.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm not getting any good reads on anyone at the moment, but just to see what happens...

I'm going to Vote NFG22

FYI - I'll be pretty quiet today due to a death in my fiancee's family. I have to bring her to the airport a little later.

Expect to see more of me tomorrow for sure.


ummm...yikes. sorry for your fiancee.

[Telle]

Well I have no idea where to go with my vote today and I'm leaving work shortly. I don't want to just keep following DT around, and clap already has a bit of a run on him. So let's try to keep a second candidate close.

vote Chief Rum

[DaddyTorgo]

@person who just sent me a PM - will address later

[Poli]

Beep, beep, beep...

[DaddyTorgo]

thanks Poli

[DaddyTorgo]

leaving for home

[Schmidty]

Ok, I just caught up on the past 4 pages. From what read, I'm going to agree with (path I think) in that when PB was threatened, there was a really suspicious run to get those votes off of him. At this point, I'm going with:

Vote PurdueBad

[Barkeep49]

Forewarning that there will be likely coverage gap sometime after 5:30.

[Poli]

Forewarning that there will be likely coverage gap sometime after 5:30.
Beep, beep, beep...

[The Jackal]

so work exploded about 10 minutes before i had to leave the office, and i havent really had time to catch up past mid afternoon, so apologies if missed something important.

i am going to vote for the sake of making sure i am on the record with soemthing....i voted for jackal yesterday for the sake of having someone to vote for, but i didnt really like the way he responded to that...i thought he was overly defensive, yeah the reason i voted him was dumb, but it was day one and i thought he was a little over angry.

vote the jackal

I mean, I thought your vote was silly, and I got kind of angry because it turned into a run on me.. I think it was justified. I didn't blow my top or anything.

[The Jackal]

I don't want to add another candidate to the mix, or I might give saldana another look. If I'm choosing between PB and clap, I think it's more likely clap is just being weird.

VOTE PB

[Autumn]

I'm out for dinner and dishes and putting kids to bed. I'll be back in sometime this evening.

[Danny]

Happy Anniversary Alan!

[Danny]

I'm not getting any good reads on anyone at the moment, but just to see what happens...

I'm going to Vote NFG22

FYI - I'll be pretty quiet today due to a death in my fiancee's family. I have to bring her to the airport a little later.

Expect to see more of me tomorrow for sure.

Sorry for you and your fiancee's loss.

[Danny]

Dp we have a vote count?

I need to leave for class in about 15 minutes, so will reevaluate my vote now and won;t be on again until probably after lynch.

[Barkeep49]

Chief Rum: Danny (652, 8:18 PM) EagleFan (924, 3:23 PM) Telle (950, 3:53 PM)
Passacaglia: Clap (754, 8:15 AM)
Claphamsa: Pass (775, 8:57 AM) nfg (781, 9:21 AM) DT (923, 3:23 PM) Alan T (935, 3:31) Autumn (948, 3:46)
Purdue: path (867, 1:55) Schmidty (956 4:18 pm) Jackal (960, 4:37 pm)
Telle: BrianD (881, 2:23 PM)
nfg22: king (949, 3:51 PM)
The Jackal: Saldana (947, 3:44 PM)

[Danny]

Unvote Chief Rum
Vote PurdueBrad

I may revisit the CR vote later, but I think out of the two day 1 vote getters it is more likely PB is a wolf then NTN. Clap is not a bad vote either, but I don't want a runaway here.

[PurdueBrad]

Self-defense for now.

vote Claphamsa

[hoopsguy]

Well, I'm not sure how big a deal it is with no moderators around the thread - starting now - when there haven't been any posts in the last 40 minutes.

BK will probably be back here in the next 60-90 minutes if there are any questions to answer. I'll be back here (for more than a minute or two at a time) in a little less than three hours.

[Chief Rum]

Hmm, I would love to parse this whole PB-clap thing, but fact is, I still feel a little too under pressure, and this is my general short check in before skipping out for the afternoon. As such, I think I'm going to need to put in a self-preservation vote, since I won't be around to address things before a likely lynch.

I will be back tonight to catch up and see what goes down.

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

[claphamsa]

well llooks like im gonna get lynched..... here the pm i sent to DT

Im some far programmer... and I have special privelages with other programmers, but I dont know who they are......so fi someone tells you they are one of the programmers its good for me to know (maybe) probably wont matter :)

nothing vaguely wolfy..... im dead so whatever.... just stop letting someone who knows little more than you lead you around by your noses. and thanks for reminding me why i stopped playing WW in the first place.

[EagleFan]

What is the case against clap? He isn't anyone that pinged my wolfdar, but it seems to be faulty lately anyway.

[The Jackal]

He went off on DT and then rest of us for following DT, that's pretty much it.

[The Jackal]

But honestly clap you only have yourself to blame, you could've been cordial about suggesting that following DT blindly wasn't a good idea (which none of us ever said it was.. it was just day 1..), but you weren't cordial, you pinged a bunch of people's radars, and even if you're just good and being clap (which I had suspected) you can't act like this came out of nowhere.

[claphamsa]

i dont think it came out of nowhere. i just think its foolish. for people to think that DT actually knows anything... is ridiculous. we know hes good... what else? thats it. who is to say mine or any other PM is accurate?

[claphamsa]

he might have more info.... but its probably LESS accurate than the info we have... and because of it well have 2 lynches and night killings (minimum) with no info gained from it.

[The Jackal]

No one is to say that it's accurate, but on day one, when we have nothing to go on, if he thought he found an inconsistency or something fishy in someone's PM, that sounds better to me than a lot of reasons for most day 1 votes.

[The Jackal]

he might have more info.... but its probably LESS accurate than the info we have... and because of it well have 2 lynches and night killings (minimum) with no info gained from it.

I doubt that, it's not like KWhit was an early runaway. And this hasn't really been a runaway on you, there's plenty of room for vote analysis.

[EagleFan]

He went off on DT and then rest of us for following DT, that's pretty much it.

That's not exactly a reason to lynch him though. Why would a wolf go off on DT about leading everyone to vote out a villager?

[claphamsa]

everyone will just fall back on, i was following jack!

[The Jackal]

That's not exactly a reason to lynch him though. Why would a wolf go off on DT about leading everyone to vote out a villager?

I never said it was a reason to lynch him, and I'm not voting for him. So yeah, other people are welcome to answer that.

[claphamsa]

one thing to think of.... why would a wolf play the way i have?

[The Jackal]

everyone will just fall back on, i was following jack!

Yes, that's a danger if you follow that route everyday. You can't let wolves hide in day after day of runaway votes - but we've had at least some movement going on here, I don't think all is lost. And you aren't lynched.. yet.

[The Jackal]

one thing to think of.... why would a wolf play the way i have?

Probably wouldn't unless they have to trigger something by getting lynched.

[Autumn]

It's not just Clap's talk about DT that's getting him votes. It is the fact that DT has reason to suspect his role is a fake one. That's the main reason to vote him, as far as I can see, DT has said he is one of the two suspicious role reveals left. The fact that he therefore came out this morning against DT makes me suspicious that he realized he was under the gun and had to try to convince people not to listen to DT's gut. The fact that he did so in true clap fashion is just clap.

[The Jackal]

Oh, that's right, I forgot he was one of DT's two questionable PM people.

[EagleFan]

one thing to think of.... why would a wolf play the way i have?

Ufortunately I've seen wolves say that very statement so that doesn't help much.

[EagleFan]

Oh, that's right, I forgot he was one of DT's two questionable PM people.

True but we see where trusting that feeling got us yesterday. "Jack" really let us down yesterday.

[claphamsa]

It's not just Clap's talk about DT that's getting him votes. It is the fact that DT has reason to suspect his role is a fake one. That's the main reason to vote him, as far as I can see, DT has said he is one of the two suspicious role reveals left. The fact that he therefore came out this morning against DT makes me suspicious that he realized he was under the gun and had to try to convince people not to listen to DT's gut. The fact that he did so in true clap fashion is just clap.


DT has no reason to suspect anything.

[The Jackal]

DT has no reason to suspect anything.

Except in comparing your PMs to all the others he received, presumably.

[claphamsa]

i psoted my pm.... anything suspicious about it to anyone other than DT?

[ntndeacon]

I think some of the suspicion on clap has been his questioning of what DT knows. which is good to a degree, we should question what we believe. I am also a little less likely to vote for him since I was the thing he was railing agaist following. Thus if it is just clap vs pB we are talking about then
Vote Purduebrad

[ntndeacon]

I do not think I will be back before the lynch.

[claphamsa]

unvote pass the wolf
vote pb... just incase :)

[The Jackal]

i psoted my pm.... anything suspicious about it to anyone other than DT?

Not really, but DT presumably knows a lot of people's roles and if no other programmers have made themselves apparent to them, maybe one of you is a wolf, I don't know exactly what the line of thinking is.

[The Jackal]

We have a vote count?

[The Jackal]

*apparent to him

[claphamsa]

i have 8 pb has 6

[claphamsa]

Not really, but DT presumably knows a lot of people's roles and if no other programmers have made themselves apparent to them, maybe one of you is a wolf, I don't know exactly what the line of thinking is.
well per the rules.... there were maybe 30 ish roles? and 6 were programmers... so there HAS to be another programmer.....

[hoopsguy]

Chief Rum - EagleFan (924, 3:23 PM), Telle (950, 3:53 PM)
Claphamsa - Pass (775, 8:57 AM), nfg (781, 9:21 AM), DT (923, 3:23 PM), Alan T (935, 3:31), Autumn (948, 3:46), Purdue (967, 4:58 pm), Chief (969, 6:01 PM)

Purdue - path (867, 1:55), Schmidty (956 4:18 pm), Jackal (960, 4:37 pm), Danny (966 4:55 pm), NTN (991, 7:09 PM), Clap (993, 7:14 PM)

Telle - BrianD (881, 2:23 PM)

nfg22 - king (949, 3:51 PM)

The Jackal - Saldana (947, 3:44 PM)

[Thomkal]

i psoted my pm.... anything suspicious about it to anyone other than DT?

There may not be anything suspicious in the pm itself Clap, its the fact that no one apparantly has told DT that they are a programmer as well, and apparantly nobody claiming to be a programmer has tried to contact you via one of our four free PM's either. Why if they are good, would a programmer hold that back from DT the only known good in the game?

[Passacaglia]

hoops -- when did today start?

[hoopsguy]

Pass, I believe it was 8:06 PM on 7/7. Will double-check that now.

[claphamsa]

There may not be anything suspicious in the pm itself Clap, its the fact that no one apparantly has told DT that they are a programmer as well, and apparantly nobody claiming to be a programmer has tried to contact you via one of our four free PM's either. Why if they are good, would a programmer hold that back from DT the only known good in the game?


well i never said i was the programmer looking for other programmers till about an hour ago....

[Passacaglia]

UNVOTE CLAPHAMSA