Werewolf XCVIII - 24 Day Game Over - Post 2899

[hoopsguy]

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The next game of werewolf will be based upon the FOX show "24". Information on this show can be found on many different places on the Internet, but my co-moderator Barkeep49 and I have relied mainly on Wikipedia.

The game is targeted to start on Monday, July 6th with a Night 0. Day 1 will begin at 9PM CST on Monday night.


And now, the rules ....

Source - this game is based upon the FOX TV show "24". All content is derived from personal experience watching this show, as well as research at Wikipedia.org and 24.wikia.com. This is not based off any one particular season. Instead, characters from each of hte eight seasons are represented. There is a smidge of creative writing that is solely from the collective imagination of Barkeep49 and Hoopsguy.

Background: The following events take place at 5AM. The Department of Homeland Security has raised the National Threat Advisory to "Orange". But inside the offices of the Counter Terrorist Unit (CTU) the concern is even more grave. Rumors are flying of an imminent attack on US soil from an as yet unidentified group known only as "The Conspiracy". All levels of government are focused on learning more about this threat as quickly as possible.

Breakdown:
Players: 25 (not a fixed #)
Evil/Werewolves: Conspiracy
Good/Villagers: Government
Undetermined: only the truly paranoid thinks anyone fits in this category

Win Conditions:
Conspiracy: achieve a 1:1 ratio with the Government
Government: eliminate all members of the Conspiracy
Undetermined: does anyone actually believe that these people exist?

Roles:
Each character is assigned the name of a character from the television show. All characters have unique abilities. The faction of the players, with the exception of Jack Bauer, is not predicated on the actions on the television show. However, it is logical to assume that the player abilities will be at least loosely associated with the capabilities demonstrated on the television show. As applied to werewolf, of course.

The game begins with one public role - Jack Bauer, CTU agent extraordinaire, is loyal to the Government. All other players have private roles. It is the discretion of the players, both individually and collectively, to share any information about their role. The moderators have strived to have an appropriate risk/reward system in place for such conversations.

On that note, the Conspiracy will know at least two characters that are not in the game in order to assist with fake reveals. The moderators would encourage all players to play as fast and loose with their roles as possible, in order to provide us with the most amusement.


Deadlines:
In a nutshell, there are not set deadlines. Instead, the deadlines will be fluid and predicated on player actions. There is not a day/night cycle, but there is a lynch that the moderators will use to mark "days" in terms of the thread title.

Lynching can occur at any time in this game. For a lynch to occur the leading vote getter must have a certain % of the total player votes. The farther away from the last lynch it has been the lower the percentage that is required. It is unknown what % is needed at what time except that between 23 hours and 23 hours 59 minutes 59 seconds since the last lynch 40% of votes must be on the leading candidate in order for a lynch to occur. As soon as the required % is reached lynching will occur instantly, rendering invalid any votes cast after that one.

Votes are cast in traditional werewolf fashion. Votes should be in bold. If there is also discussion in the voting post then the vote should be at the very bottom of the post. Unvotes are allowed and must follow the same convention - bold and at bottom of post.

Player actions are predicated by the passing of time, not days in the game. For example, a player may be able to use a power every 36 hours. This information will be included in each of the role PMs sent at the beginning of the game. The contents of all PMs, including the starting PMs, may be discussed within the thread if the player sees an advantage in doing so.

The order of actions will be driven by the order that actions are submitted. All actions must be submitted by PM to both moderators. We can not accept actions via e-mail or IM since we are relying on the time maintained by OperationSports (when PM arrives at Inbox) to determine the order of actions.

Additional Notes: all characters begin the game with the ability to sent up to four PMs per day to anyone in the game. This is in addition to any role-specific PM abilities (Conspiracy members can PM each other freely, for example). The moderators must be included on all PMs. Players are on the honor system to not send PMs above and beyond the set limit. Please do not forward the initial role PMs when exchanging PMs with other players.

The moderators will do their best to have at least one moderator around to process actions in a timely manner and will inform players if at least one moderator won't be around for an extended time. As a rule there will be no moderators present from approximately 2 AM - 6 AM CDT. Any actions or votes will be processed chronologically even if no moderator is present.

Due to the unusual nature of the game no actions or votes will be accepted and all powers "paused" between 12 AM Saturday (aka Friday night) and 6 AM Monday.

[hoopsguy]

List of 24 characters:

CTU Agents
1. Jack Bauer (public role - Government)
Jack Bauer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Bauer)
Jack Bauer - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Jack_Bauer)

2. Tony Almeida
Tony Almeida - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Almeida)
Tony Almeida - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Tony_Almeida)

3. Nina Myers
Nina Myers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Myers)
Nina Myers - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Nina_Myers)

4. George Mason
George Mason - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/George_Mason)

5. Ryan Chappell
Ryan Chappelle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Chappelle)
Ryan Chappelle - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Ryan_Chapelle)

6. Bill Buchanan
Bill Buchanan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Buchanan)
Bill Buchanan - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Bill_Buchanan)

7. Curtis Manning
Curtis Manning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Manning)
Curtis Manning - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Curtis_Manning)

8. Chase Edmunds
Chase Edmunds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chase_Edmunds)
Chase Edmunds - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Chase)

Computer Experts
9. Chloe O'Brian
Chloe O'Brian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloe_O%27Brian)
Chloe O'Brian - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Chloe_O%27Brian)

10. Michelle Dessler
Michelle Dessler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Dessler)
Michelle Dessler - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Michelle_Dessler)

11. Kim Bauer
Kim Bauer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Bauer)
Kim Bauer - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Kim_Bauer)

12. Edgar Stiles
Edgar Stiles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Stiles)
Edgar Stiles - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Edgar_Stiles)

13. Janis Gold
Janis Gold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janis_Gold)
Janis Gold - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Janis_Gold)

14. Morris O'Brian
Morris O'Brian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_O%27Brian)
Morris O'Brian - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Morris_O%27Brian)

Presidents and their Wives
15. David Palmer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Palmer_(24_character (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Palmer_%2824_character)
David Palmer - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/David_Palmer)

16. Wayne Palmer
Wayne Palmer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Palmer)
Wayne Palmer - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Wayne_Palmer)

17. Charles Logan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Logan_(24_character (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Logan_%2824_character))
Charles Logan - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Charles_Logan)

18. Martha Logan
Martha Logan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Logan)
Martha Logan - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Martha_Logan)

19. President Suvarov
Yuri Suvarov - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Yuri_Suvarov)

20. Sherry Palmer
Sherry Palmer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherry_Palmer)
Sherry Palmer - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Sherry_Palmer)

Government Officials

21. Mike Novick
Mike Novick - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Novick)
Mike Novick - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Mike_Novick)

22. Audrey Raines
Audrey Raines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audrey_Raines)
Audrey Raines - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Audrey_Raines)

23. Larry Moss
Larry Moss - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Larry_Moss)

24. Renee Walker
Renee Walker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renee_Walker)
Renee Walker - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Renee_Walker)

TV Show Villains

25. Victor Drazen
Victor Drazen - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Victor_Drazen)

26. Habib Marwan
Habib Marwan - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Habib_Marwan)

27. Graem Bauer
Graem Bauer - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Graem_Bauer)

28. Jonas Hodges
Jonas Hodges - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Jonas_Hodges)

Other
29. Aaron Pierce
Aaron Pierce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Pierce)
Aaron Pierce - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Aaron_Pierce)

30. James Heller
James Heller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Heller)
James Heller - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/James_Heller)

31. David Emerson
David Emerson - Wiki 24 (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/David_Emmerson)

Note - Wikipedia references are provided for all characters with their own page. The "24.wikia.com" listings seem much more complete for those who want to really know the inside scoop on their characters.

[hoopsguy]

Sign-up list:
1. Danny - Killed Day 4 Chloe O'Brien (Government)
2. Tyrith - Killed Day 2 Aaron Pierce (Government)
3. TheJackal - George Mason
4. JAG - Killed Day 2 Habib Marwan (Government)
5. PackerFanatic (replaced by Claphamsa Day 1) - Lynched Day 2 Edgar Stiles (Government)
6. Passacaglia - Lynched Day 4 Jonas Hodges (Conspiracy)
7. Autumn - Lynched Day 5 Nina Myers (Conspiracy)
8. Schmidty - Audrey Raines
9. Chief Rum - Killed Day 3 Kim Bauer (Conspiracy)
10. PurdueBrad - Killed Day 7 Sherry Palmer (Neutral)
11. KWhit - Lynched Day 1 Michelle Dressler (Government)
12. BrianD - Morris O'Brian
13. nfg22 - Killed Day 5 President Suvarov (Government)
14. ISiddiqui - Killed Day 8 Victor Drazen (Conspiracy)
15. DaddyTorgo - CTU Special Agent Jack Bauer
16. ntndeacon - Chase Edmunds
17. Saldana - Ryan Chapelle
18. Alan T - killed Day 3 Charles Logan (Government)
19. Kingfc22 - Larry Moss
20. Thomkal - Lynched Day 6 Graem Bauer (Conspiracy)
21. Telle - Lynched Day 3 Janis Gold (Government)
22. path12 - David Palmer
23. henry296 - Renee Walker
24. eaglefan - Tony Almeida

Alternate:
1. Lerriuqs (available after 7/11)
2. JEHeinz

Banned:
1. Plutonium

[hoopsguy]

Important game posts:

[hoopsguy]

And final reserved post.

[Danny]

I am in like a thin Laura Flynn

[Tyrith]

Aww, I'm not first in anymore.

[Danny]

Is who is what character made public? In the Marvel game we knew who each character just not powers and such

[The Jackal]

Is who is what character made public? In the Marvel game we knew who each character just not powers and such

I'm guessing no since in that game we all had separate accounts, so it didn't matter that we knew who the characters were.

[hoopsguy]

Danny - nope, there is no start of the game match like "Danny = David Palmer". There may be reasons to disclose that info, but there may be reasons to keep it to yourself.

[Danny]

I'm guessing no since in that game we all had separate accounts, so it didn't matter that we knew who the characters were.

It still mattered in that game as the wolves specifically targeted players who were likely to have telepathic based powers. Of course, in that game it would have been much less fun if we didn't know as that would have taken away the role play factor.

[The Jackal]

It still mattered in that game as the wolves specifically targeted players who were likely to have telepathic based powers. Of course, in that game it would have been much less fun if we didn't know as that would have taken away the role play factor.

Right. Man, that was a fun game. I've forgotten who I possessed as of now, but I'm sure they haven't. ;)

[Danny]

Right. Man, that was a fun game. I've forgotten who I possessed as of now, but I'm sure they haven't. ;)

Yeah, probably my favorite game outside of you possessing me. And no I have not and will not forget. I'm not sure I ever did get my vengeance. Perhaps in this game.

[The Jackal]

Yeah, probably my favorite game outside of you possessing me. And no I have not and will not forget. I'm not sure I ever did get my vengeance. Perhaps in this game.

Which one were you?

[Danny]

Which one were you?

Nick Fury

[The Jackal]

Nick Fury

Right. Nothing personal. :D

[JAG]

I'll give it a shot.

[PackerFanatic]

I love 24. And Jackal should be our resident Elisha Cuthbert poster ;)

I am in.

[The Jackal]

I love 24. And Jackal should be our resident Elisha Cuthbert poster ;)

I am in.

Well I mean now it's going to have to happen.

[Danny]

Cuthbert is going to end up a wolf and betraying her father.

[The Jackal]

She already betrayed us all:

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/columnists/jimbaumbach/blog/SeanAveryAndElishaCuthbert2.jpg


....

sigh

[Danny]

Wow, she doesn't look hot there and Sean Avery? Ugg

[hoopsguy]

I'm sure Tyrith will have thoughts on that pic.

[The Jackal]

Wow, she doesn't look hot there and Sean Avery? Ugg

I promise, that's the last pic I'll post of her where she doesn't look great. But Sean Avery doesn't deserve her at her hottest, and it kind of makes me feel better to see that.

[The Jackal]

We all make mistakes; she redeemed herself by dating Phaneuf shortly after. But hopefully she's single by now.

[Danny]

With how hot girls like to date hockey players you'd think that the NHL could find some marketing in that.

[Danny]

I had to edit that one, I mistyped the whole thing horribly :)

[PackerFanatic]

... Sean Avery doesn't deserve her at her hottest, and it kind of makes me feel better to see that.

So much truth right there.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, probably my favorite game outside of you possessing me. And no I have not and will not forget. I'm not sure I ever did get my vengeance. Perhaps in this game.

Actually, being possessed was really fun for me -- except for when it came down to actually trying to convince people I had been possessed. That still burns me.

But my early role-playing the Scarlet Witch, and trying to figure out what her character was supposed to be like, was also fun. The time when I guaranteed our success on some colossal failure of a mission was good times.

[Passacaglia]

Oh, and in.

[Autumn]

I don't think I can resist this game, I love ones with all the roles, Hoops. I'm a little worried as the one thing that gave me an ulcer about the Marvel game was the real time actions, coming in five minutes after Hulk had tried to smash me, for instance. I'm a little afraid it will give me conniptions, but if the game is based on it rather than it just being a freak thing maybe I'll be all right.

In.

[Danny]

Actually, being possessed was really fun for me -- except for when it came down to actually trying to convince people I had been possessed. That still burns me.

But my early role-playing the Scarlet Witch, and trying to figure out what her character was supposed to be like, was also fun. The time when I guaranteed our success on some colossal failure of a mission was good times.

Your situation was a bit different since you still was able to post and play, plus it was one day, not four :)

[hoopsguy]

I don't think I can resist this game, I love ones with all the roles, Hoops. I'm a little worried as the one thing that gave me an ulcer about the Marvel game was the real time actions, coming in five minutes after Hulk had tried to smash me, for instance. I'm a little afraid it will give me conniptions, but if the game is based on it rather than it just being a freak thing maybe I'll be all right.

In.

As the rules are posted, I think it will be clear that the real-time element is core to this game where it was an oddity in the Marvel games.

Also, if someone is uncomfortable with the rules as they are posted just let me know and I can remove names from the list. I hope that people will be excited about the game, but if the game does not look like it suits them then let me know.

[Schmidty]

I will play if you'll have me.

[Tyrith]

Sean Avery got Brett Hull fired, so I'd almost say he was a good thing for the Stars.

[Chief Rum]

I am in please.

[The Jackal]

Sean Avery got Brett Hull fired, so I'd almost say he was a good thing for the Stars.

With the amount of money they had to pay? No.

[The Jackal]

Actually, being possessed was really fun for me -- except for when it came down to actually trying to convince people I had been possessed. That still burns me.

But my early role-playing the Scarlet Witch, and trying to figure out what her character was supposed to be like, was also fun. The time when I guaranteed our success on some colossal failure of a mission was good times.

Possessing you was fun because we could actually communicate. I definitely felt bad possessing the other two - it was Danny/Nick Fury and.. who? The first one was the toughest to pick, that was definitely gonna make someone pissed.

[Schmidty]

Ugh. Please, no one bring up possession.....

[PurdueBrad]

I am definitely in, but may be in and out a lot on day 1 and 2 as we'll be driving back to Chicago. But I would like to play if that isn't a problem.

[KWhit]

In

[Passacaglia]

Possessing you was fun because we could actually communicate. I definitely felt bad possessing the other two - it was Danny/Nick Fury and.. who? The first one was the toughest to pick, that was definitely gonna make someone pissed.

Yeah, but it did get confusing. I was all, "wait, is that new PM from me to you, or from you to me?" And I didn't want to read it, in case it was from me to you, and I was marking it read when you hadn't seen it yet.

[EagleFan]

What the heck, I'll throw my hat into the ring.

[Poli]

I'd sign up but I'm busy scheming my way to the top in youth football. Camp is just two weeks away.

[hoopsguy]

I'd sign up but I'm busy scheming my way to the top in youth football. Camp is just two weeks away.

I imagine that you would make a fine field agent if the youths could spare you.

[lerriuqs]

Wish I could but I'm out of town all next week...

[hoopsguy]

Wish I could but I'm out of town all next week...

Bummer. If there was an interest in coming in as a replacement player upon your return I would love to slot you for that. For whatever reason, I find that my games usually need one before all is said and done.

[Danny]

I will take Lerriuqs and Poli's spot in addition to mine.

[lerriuqs]

Bummer. If there was an interest in coming in as a replacement player upon your return I would love to slot you for that. For whatever reason, I find that my games usually need one before all is said and done.

I probably could - I'm not back till after the 11th.

[hoopsguy]

I'll list you as an alternate, with that date in mind.

[Danny]

I really do need more than one spot. With Poli not playing it is going to be harder to meet my post quota for this game.

[hoopsguy]

Danny, your 2nd role is "plutonium". Unfortunately, it is a non-posting role and it does not receive any PMs from the moderator. Not even a starting PM.

VOTE PLUTONIUM

[Passacaglia]

VOTE PLUTONIUM
VOTE NIGHTFALL

[Passacaglia]

This game is pretty easy so far.

[Poli]

VOTE PLUTONIUM

Just in case this counts.

[Danny]

Vote Damn moderation queue for new registration. Plutonium will have something to say about this soon!

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, I've seen who is the newest member at FOFC and I expect he is headed this way.

[Barkeep49]

Just in case it wasn't clear, since there are two GMs this game, hoops and I decided that we would be eligible to vote as well.

Vote plutonium

[saldana]

Bummer. If there was an interest in coming in as a replacement player upon your return I would love to slot you for that. For whatever reason, I find that my games usually need one before all is said and done.
thats because they last 4 weeks, and several people have strokes from trying to keep up with all the posts every single day

[hoopsguy]

I take some responsibility for the latter (game environments that foster high posting) but I really do try to accelerate the deaths enough so that the games don't run over two weeks. Heck, I don't want to moderate for that long!

[hoopsguy]

Had a very, very tough work day yesterday that prevented finishing up the rules. I'm looking to get the final version posted this evening at some point.

[Poli]

VOTE HOOPSGUY

[hoopsguy]

Poli, you may just end up with a worse role than Danny's secondary if you continue down this road.

[nfg22]

Vote Barkeep?

[hoopsguy]

I think that is a better play, but the other mod may disagree.

[Danny]

I think that is a better play, but the other mod may disagree.

You might want to rethink that as a better play. If BK gets voted out you have to do all the work yourself.

[ntndeacon]

ok I am in

[hoopsguy]

You might want to rethink that as a better play. If BK gets voted out you have to do all the work yourself.

That is kind of an interesting point. The workload for this one is going to be very different than the Marvel games. Less math, less judgement calls, but the sheer coverage requirements for the mods in this game are going to be very high.

[Barkeep49]

Expect the rules to be up shortly.

[Barkeep49]

That is kind of an interesting point. The workload for this one is going to be very different than the Marvel games. Less math, less judgement calls, but the sheer coverage requirements for the mods in this game are going to be very high.
I think this post is just asking for nothing but trouble.

[hoopsguy]

Trouble = just asking for unexpected judgment calls to emerge?

[Barkeep49]

Yup.

[hoopsguy]

Eh - no "create a power" = not as many judgment calls. That was a crazy amount of work. Fun to try, fit the theme, but I'm not going to return to that mechanic anytime real soon.

[hoopsguy]

And rules are now in place. See Post #1.

[Danny]

And rules are now in place. See Post #1.

Sweet, game looks like a lot of fun! I hope we get the 25 players.

[Autumn]

Eh - no "create a power" = not as many judgment calls. That was a crazy amount of work. Fun to try, fit the theme, but I'm not going to return to that mechanic anytime real soon.

What?? But what about Doombots!!!

[Danny]

Additional Notes: all characters begin the game with the ability to sent up to four PMs per day to anyone in the game. This is in addition to any role-specific PM abilities (Conspiracy members can PM each other freely, for example). The moderators must be included on all PMs. Players are on the honor system to not send PMs above and beyond the set limit.

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This sounds especially cool

[Autumn]

Wow, I really like the rule set. This should be a lot of fun.

[hoopsguy]

What?? But what about Doombots!!!

I would be stoked to play a game run by another moderator with this option :p

[Passacaglia]

There was math in the marvel game? I thought it was all just guesstimating :p

[hoopsguy]

Only when the math was too hard.

[nfg22]

Shouldnt the max number of players be 24?

[hoopsguy]

Technically, there is not a maximum number of players. But BK and I created 31 roles initially and the Conspirators are going to know about two that are not in the game. So we could potentially support 29 players with what we've put together up to this point. I would be pretty surprised if we have enough interest to fill 29 spots between now and Monday, however.

Oh, wait - you were just making a funny there. Right? Oops.

[Tyrith]

There was math in the marvel game? I thought it was all just guesstimating :p

No kidding, days 2-5 in that game we probably spent 90 minutes a day each adding and readding numbers to make sure we had it straight. Maybe more.

[EagleFan]

And rules are now in place. See Post #1.

I made it all the way to post 76 and now he wants me to go back to post 1?

vote hoops


:D

[EagleFan]

I'm going to have to relinquish my spot. After looking over the rules there is no way I will be able to find enough time, especially with no set deadlines.

It looks like it should be a fun game though. Good luck to all.

[Poli]

Honor system? Speak English, please.

[hoopsguy]

I'm going to have to relinquish my spot. After looking over the rules there is no way I will be able to find enough time, especially with no set deadlines.

It looks like it should be a fun game though. Good luck to all.

Just speaking towards this concern - and not to the availability of EagleFan - I do not think that the time commitment needs to be immense due to the real-time nature.

If your character has an action, it can be submitted whenever you are online. And you should see the results immediately, rather than having to check back in later after the standard day/night deadline. And then you can take your action again when it becomes available once more, after whatever time allotment is defined in the character PM.

If you have a vote to make, you don't have to try and get it in before a deadline. Make it when you are in the thread, when you are caught up on the reading, etc.

Now, is it really this simple? Well, my answer is that it can be. If someone has a lot of time they might find some greater advantages to the real-time element but I don't want to necessarily spell out all my thoughts on how this could play out before the game gets started.

Bottom line - I think that the lack of standard day/night deadlines could end up being more friendly to players with limited time than the rules in a conventional game. Similarly, I think these rules are likely to be more friendly to someone playing from a non EST/CST timezone.

I would be interested in hearing thoughts of others on this.

[jeheinz72]

I'm still thinking on this. I may just be out of town too much to play

[DaddyTorgo]

Just speaking towards this concern - and not to the availability of EagleFan - I do not think that the time commitment needs to be immense due to the real-time nature.

If your character has an action, it can be submitted whenever you are online. And you should see the results immediately, rather than having to check back in later after the standard day/night deadline. And then you can take your action again when it becomes available once more, after whatever time allotment is defined in the character PM.

If you have a vote to make, you don't have to try and get it in before a deadline. Make it when you are in the thread, when you are caught up on the reading, etc.

Now, is it really this simple? Well, my answer is that it can be. If someone has a lot of time they might find some greater advantages to the real-time element but I don't want to necessarily spell out all my thoughts on how this could play out before the game gets started.

Bottom line - I think that the lack of standard day/night deadlines could end up being more friendly to players with limited time than the rules in a conventional game. Similarly, I think these rules are likely to be more friendly to someone playing from a non EST/CST timezone.

I would be interested in hearing thoughts of others on this.


when you explained it to me this way the other day it eased some of my fears about it, so hopefully it does the same for others.

[Passacaglia]

No kidding, days 2-5 in that game we probably spent 90 minutes a day each adding and readding numbers to make sure we had it straight. Maybe more.

To make sure we had what straight? Didn't we have a problem of not knowing anything about what our goals were, so we were just trying to guess at what a good amount was? Maybe I should re-read it, but it might enrage me too much.

[hoopsguy]

It was to make sure that Tyrith and I had calculated all the factors correctly in terms of attacks, defenses, and other variables that came into the "effective damage" which determined kills.

This game - with no Health, Energy, defensive powers, and variable attacks - is going to be much more standard werewolf than Marvel.

[Passacaglia]

It was to make sure that Tyrith and I had calculated all the factors correctly in terms of attacks, defenses, and other variables that came into the "effective damage" which determined kills.

This game - with no Health, Energy, defensive powers, and variable attacks - is going to be much more standard werewolf than Marvel.

Oh right, Tyrith was a mod -- I was thinking of it from a player's perspective.

[saldana]

i'm in.

[Poli]

Obligatory daily post.

[hoopsguy]

Obligatory daily post.

So when are you going to break down and join the game?

Surely your team wants you to serve your country in some capacity?

[The Jackal]

I don't think the carpet matches the drapes.

Oh, I think it does.

[Barkeep49]

So when are you going to break down and join the game?

Surely your team wants you to serve your country in some capacity?
Surely his team wants him to post a dynasty like he did last year.

[Poli]

I think I will be attending a different youth football camp held by former Ram and current HS head coach Mike Jones next week.

I will be managing a dynasty thread again this season.

[Schmidty]

Oh, I think it does.

Look at the roots, not the jugs. Definitely not a natural blond.

Not that I care, since I'm a redhead guy.

[kingfc22]

I guess my post didn't post...

I'll join in for this one.

I should have enough down time at work next week to keep tabs on things.

[Danny]

Hoops, I can ask my wife if she would like to play. This would be her first game and she probably wouldn't be terribly active, but if that isn't a problem, she might be interested.

[Danny]

On second thought, it's probably not a good idea as I will be inclined to want to help her on her first game and wouldn't be able to. Her first game should probably be one where I don't play I would think.

[Poli]

Danny's wife is just another way for danny to have multiple roles.

Don't believe his lies. He is the one. Kill him.

[The Jackal]

Look at the roots, not the jugs. Definitely not a natural blond.

Not that I care, since I'm a redhead guy.

She was blond when she was a little girl (I'm not a stalker, just remember Are you Afraid of the Dark and that show she was on in Canada), I'm pretty sure, and I doubt she's been dying her hair that long. Maybe it slowly changed to a darker color over the years.

http://www.childstarlets.com/lobby/bios/portraits/elisha_cuthbert12.jpg

[Telle]

I'll play.

[hoopsguy]

Welcome aboard, Telle.

Danny, your wife is more than welcome to play but obviously no coaching allowed if you are both participants.

[path12]

I've got a hellish work week ahead of me with top bosses in town and my immediate boss not. So I'd be lucky to check more than twice a day for at least Tue/Wed/Thurs.

So my question is -- hoops, is that level of activity enough for the game you've designed? If so, put me down. If not I'll have to pass.

[hoopsguy]

Path - I hope that this game will support both active and passive styles of play well. A player should certainly be able to take their actions with a couple of check-ins per day.

But there 4 PMs/day will give an option for additional interaction outside of the thread. That may not be as fun if there is not time to read/respond to the PMs in a somewhat timely fashion.

I don't think this game is going to be quite as post-heavy as the Marvel games, partly because of the PMs outside of the thread and partly because we don't have 30+ players.

Bottom line - I think it would be more fun to play with more time to spend in thread, sending PMs, etc. But I also think that someone can be pretty effective without having to invest a mountain of time in this game.

[hoopsguy]

I guess my post didn't post...

I'll join in for this one.

I should have enough down time at work next week to keep tabs on things.

King, missed this earlier this morning - welcome back!

[Poli]

This thread needs another post from me.

[hoopsguy]

I would imagine that we are pretty close to having sign-ups completed.

The plan, as of right now, would be to randomly generate roles on Sunday evening, probably sometime after 8PM (CST) and then send out roles.

The game will start with a Night 0. Only a couple of roles would have actions during that period of time. No voting will take place at that point and PMs (the 4 every player gets to send) should not be sent then either. If there are questions about what can or cannot be done please check with the moderators.

Night 0 will run through Monday, up until somewhere around 9 PM (CST). At that point we will begin Day 1. All timed actions are eligible to be initiated at that point in time and the 4 PM rule is in play at that point.

[Plutonium]

USE ABILITY DESTROY MODERATOR!! I WIN

[hoopsguy]

Danny, your 2nd role is "plutonium". Unfortunately, it is a non-posting role and it does not receive any PMs from the moderator. Not even a starting PM.

VOTE PLUTONIUM

USE ABILITY DESTROY MODERATOR!! I WIN

Fail.

[Barkeep49]

I can't believe Plutonium would stoop to cheating. Hoops made it very clear that his role could not post. Cheating is always regrettable.

[Plutonium]

Fail.

But I already destroyed you, so you can't enforce that rule now!

[Danny]

But I already destroyed you, so you can't enforce that rule now!

I don't like your tone with our moderator. He's working hard to put together all these roles and you should show some respect

[path12]

Path - I hope that this game will support both active and passive styles of play well. A player should certainly be able to take their actions with a couple of check-ins per day.

But there 4 PMs/day will give an option for additional interaction outside of the thread. That may not be as fun if there is not time to read/respond to the PMs in a somewhat timely fashion.

I don't think this game is going to be quite as post-heavy as the Marvel games, partly because of the PMs outside of the thread and partly because we don't have 30+ players.

Bottom line - I think it would be more fun to play with more time to spend in thread, sending PMs, etc. But I also think that someone can be pretty effective without having to invest a mountain of time in this game.

I'll go for it then with the caveat that I won't have a lot of access those first few days. Dammit hoops, you drag me back in! ;)

[hoopsguy]

It is what I do, Path :) Hope you have fun while being dragged.

[Poli]

Obligatory post.

[Barkeep49]

Seriously Poli WTF aren't you playing?

[hoopsguy]

Generating roles now - if anyone is going to want to be a last-minute addition to the game I would suggest posting sooner rather than later.

[ISiddiqui]

Ok, hoopsguy enticed me into joining my first werewolf game. Sign me up.

[Poli]

Seriously Poli WTF aren't you playing?
Unless I was playing the role of Plutonium or The Clock, there's about no way I could keep up with my current schedule of events.

[Barkeep49]

Unless I was playing the role of Plutonium or The Clock, there's about no way I could keep up with my current schedule of events.
If you insist...

You are the clock. As the clock your role is to post menacing/ominous beeps/ticks during the game. This should be done to provide extra tension and/or allow for commercial breaks.

[Chief Rum]

Ok, hoopsguy enticed me into joining my first werewolf game. Sign me up.

Awesome, welcome ISiddiqui. I think my impression from you in the regular forums tells me you have the mentality and thoughtful approach to be very good at this if you want to be. Good luck and have fun.

[Danny]

That makes 23, come one we need one more! Poli? EagleFan? Let's go guys!

[Schmidty]

Ok, hoopsguy enticed me into joining my first werewolf game. Sign me up.

Nice to see you sign up, man!

[The Jackal]

That makes 23, come one we need one more! Poli? EagleFan? Let's go guys!

Still only have 22, Isidd was already signed up on the list.

[Danny]

Ah, then we need both EF and Poli.

[henry296]

Given the fact that there is no set deadline, I'm in for this one.

[EagleFan]

Since it looks like you are still looking for players I'll jump back in. I can't promise a regular schedule for being online though. As long as that is okay I will give it a shot then.

[hoopsguy]

Sounds great, welcome aboard to both of you guys.

Now it is time for BK and I to do some re-juggling :) 24 probably plays out a little differently than 22.

[hoopsguy]

FYI, just to stop any conjecture about how we re-did roles.

1.) Had put together roles for 22 players, had assignments completed
2.) Added two additional roles, bringing # to 24
3.) Used random.org to pick six players who "lost" their previously assigned role
4.) Used random.org to assign eight players to eight roles

Clear as mud? Good.

[Danny]

Sounds fine, now get me my PM! Having 24 players seems appropriate.

[Barkeep49]

Roles are being sent now. Please no posting in those roles until all roles have been sent. At that point we'll be officially in Night 0.

[hoopsguy]

Roles are out. Please let us know by PM if you did not get one.

Those with Night 0 actions please submit them. Deadline is Monday, July 6th at 9PM CST.

Everyone else, between now and then is a good time to ask questions about the game. As a reminder, there are no "open PM" rights on Night 0. Those begin at the start of Day 1.

[Danny]

We'll see how these mechanics go, but right now we have 24 players. My best guess based on prior hoops games is a breakdown something along the lines of 5 conspiracy, 2 neutral and 17 government. I think the number of neutral roles probably has an effect on whether the 5th conspirator is a convert or not. I will be looking at the voting mechanic sometime tonight as well to throw some guesstimates regarding that.

[The Jackal]

Just checking in for the evening, pretty exhausted so I'll see you folks tomorrow

[Danny]

[COLOR=red]It is unknown what % is needed at what time except that between 23 hours and 23 hours 59 minutes 59 seconds since the last lynch 40% of votes must be on the leading candidate in order for a lynch to occur.

So we know the following right now

23:00-23:59 = 40%

For now I will throw in guesstimates how the rest might go and then we can add in the lynch information as we gain it.

26:00-26:59
25:00-25:59 = 20%
24:00-24:59 = 30%
23:00-23:59 = 40%
20:00-22:59 = 50%
15:00-19:59 = 60%
10:00-14:59 = 70%
5:00-9:59 = 80%
1:00-4:59 = 90%
0:00-1:00 = 100%

I feel pretty good that the percentage will drop quickly after 24 hours expire as I'm sure Hoops wants to average a player lynched per day and now drop out a lynch very long. The rest is just guesses, but as lynched occur we should able to come up with a more accurate chart.

[Barkeep49]

We'll see how these mechanics go, but right now we have 24 players. My best guess based on prior hoops games is a breakdown something along the lines of 5 conspiracy, 2 neutral and 17 government. I think the number of neutral roles probably has an effect on whether the 5th conspirator is a convert or not. I will be looking at the voting mechanic sometime tonight as well to throw some guesstimates regarding that.

Without regards to the speculation, I will point out that hoops and I did this together. All decisions were reached on a mutual basis. While hoops has been more prominent in the thread we've both been busy behind the scenes. In other words :P

[Danny]

Without regards to the speculation, I will point out that hoops and I did this together. All decisions were reached on a mutual basis. While hoops has been more prominent in the thread we've both been busy behind the scenes. In other words :P

Well, you both are excellent GM's, so my comment stands that a logical ratio along those lines would seem likely. But, I will be sure to both applaud and chastise you both together in future posts :).

[Poli]

Tick, tick, tick

[Danny]

The rest of the mechanics are pretty straightforwardm with the surprise of player's abilities thrown in of course.

[EagleFan]

A certain signature may help me determine my day one vote.... :)

[Schmidty]

Got my role, and I'm saying hi!!! GEtting this out of the way - Tomorrow, I will be around in mid-afternoon, and hopefully deadline, and then on Tuesday I work, so I won't be around until 6 p.m. EST.

[Schmidty]

By the way, I am Audrey Raines
. I'll tell you my ability if you guys think it's prudent. I hope I have big boobs. I haven't googled me yet.

[Schmidty]

Dang. Nope. And I'm unattractive in a substitute teacher kind of way. :(

[PackerFanatic]

Welcome to your first game, ISiddiqui :)

[Alan T]

Just checking in to say I have my role. As I told Hoopsguy, I have a huge work project that is likely going to tie me up much more during the day than normal for the next few weeks. So I likely won't be my normal chatty self.

[DaddyTorgo]

checking in!

[hoopsguy]

checking in!

That reminds me - post #3 is updated.

[DaddyTorgo]

haha...bring it on! I HAVE THE SPECIAL POWER OF NEVER NEEDING TO PAUSE TO USE THE RESTROOM!!!!

[Schmidty]

haha...bring it on! I HAVE THE SPECIAL POWER OF NEVER NEEDING TO PAUSE TO USE THE RESTROOM!!!!

I think that Depends.

[Autumn]

Just back from fireworks, hardly been in the house all weekend. Things should be back to normal this week though so I'll be checking in more tomorrow.

[PurdueBrad]

Hey guys, I'm in but just a reminder I'll be driving up from Myrtle Beach to Chicago the next couple days but will be able to check in some.

[JAG]

Just got back into town. Welcome to werewolf ISiddiqui, I'm working on game #2 currently. I'm glad to be on the side of the village this go-around.

And greetings Mr. Bauer / DT. I hope I can be of some assistance in taking down The Conspiracy.

[nfg22]

Checking in as a good guy....has anyone ever checked in as wolf? Yet it seems we make a big deal out of how people check in.

[DaddyTorgo]

nah. the checking in thing is really overblown 99.999999% of the time.

[Tyrith]

Without regards to the speculation, I will point out that hoops and I did this together. All decisions were reached on a mutual basis. While hoops has been more prominent in the thread we've both been busy behind the scenes. In other words :P

I can very much support this from my own experience as co-GM with him.

[Tyrith]

I think if someone checked in as a wolf they would probably get D1 lynched.

[nfg22]

It seems like Day 1 lynches are usually on presuppositions of players.

[Danny]

It seems like Day 1 lynches are usually on presuppositions of players.

To a point and there are usually certain players who are more likely to get day one votes than others. Plus, even the slightest slip up or suspicious post tends to be overblown or capitalized on by the wolves on day 1 as there really is nothing else to go on.

[Danny]

I would be willing drop some money on me doubling the number of posts of other players while I am alive. Those who usually can keep pace with me have a lack of availability or are GMing. It would be appreciated if some of you make as many filler posts as possible, so I don't feel too bad about the high number of posts.

[DaddyTorgo]

Jack Bauer is going to bed.

[Danny]

Jack Bauer is going to bed.

I've never seen the show, but Jack Bauer doesn't sleep, does he?

[ntndeacon]

I don't know who my person is, since I don't watch the show. I must wiki them to find out more tommorrow.

[Chief Rum]

I have received my role. I might reveal it, but I don't know yet that we have established the wisdom of that yet, so I'll wait for more discussion on this tomorrow.

Plus, for all we know, the wolves might have actions here during the night phase (as is common). I'm not sure it's such a good idea to offer up free information for them to possibly use, although I assume (hope?) they wouldn't have a Night 0 kill option.

Speaking of nightkills, any guesses from anyone as to how those might work, with the lynches pretty much happening who knows when? Is it as simple as they just send in a conditional, and if the lynch happens, nightkill immediately follows? I suppose this is possible, but my guess, given what I know of the mods' games in the past, is that it won't be that simple.

I think we should have serious discussions as to how (and perhaps whether) we should use the PM options available to us. Is there a clear way we can take advantage of this? Establish some level of trust with a player, and feed them role information perhaps? Not sure how to work that yet. Could get messy.

BTW, just had a thought, the rules say something about the wolves knowing a couple roles not in the game. But there are, what 31-32 roles in the rules and 24 players? If we all role reveal, we expand the wolves ability to "fake role reveal" another 4-5 roles, wouldn't we?

Okay, I have said my piece. Gonna have to take posts where they come, because we're busy as hell at my job, and it's going to be hard for me to even follow along during the days, much less post. I will try to check in a couple times per day during the workday, but it may be hard. I'll try to make up for it with massive nighttime posting. ;)

[Alan T]

Speaking of nightkills, any guesses from anyone as to how those might work, with the lynches pretty much happening who knows when? Is it as simple as they just send in a conditional, and if the lynch happens, nightkill immediately follows? I suppose this is possible, but my guess, given what I know of the mods' games in the past, is that it won't be that simple.


I am not sure how the wolf kills will work, but I assume it has to be similar to many 24-hour clock games where the lynch and the wolf-kill get posted at the same time. Otherwise it gets messy allowing people to vote and then be killed routinely as a way to effect the vote. Either way, not something we should bank any kind of strategy on until we see how it works the first few days.


BTW, just had a thought, the rules say something about the wolves knowing a couple roles not in the game. But there are, what 31-32 roles in the rules and 24 players? If we all role reveal, we expand the wolves ability to "fake role reveal" another 4-5 roles, wouldn't we?


I just assume that it is like many games where everyone has an individual role. Because some people familiar with the show know which characters are pre-disposed to evil, the wolves are simply given enough cover roles to protect themselves. So if any of them need to do a role-reveal for some reason.. they say they are someone on the list that they received of roles not in the game. This way mass role reveals don't do anything to help clear anyone other than the fact that if two people claim the same person you know there are issues.

[JAG]

This way mass role reveals don't do anything to help clear anyone other than the fact that if two people claim the same person you know there are issues.

Going to 'rule-dive' for a sec here.

the Conspiracy will know at least two characters that are not in the game in order to assist with fake reveals.

Depending on how many wolves there are, it's possible the number of characters they know are not in the game is less than their total number. Because the list of powers is unpublished, I don't think it would be a difficult matter to make up a convincing story based on their role, especially with the following mechanic:

The faction of the players, with the exception of Jack Bauer, is not predicated on the actions on the television show.

So there's every possibility that a character like Kim Bauer who was always on the side of good on the show has decided she is bitter towards the government for what they've turned Jack into and has joined the Conspiracy to enact revenge. Anyway, this is all to say I think there's little reason for everyone to role reveal and that it would be more useful on a case-by-case basis when there's a good reason to do so.

I think we should have serious discussions as to how (and perhaps whether) we should use the PM options available to us. Is there a clear way we can take advantage of this? Establish some level of trust with a player, and feed them role information perhaps? Not sure how to work that yet. Could get messy.

I haven't played many games of Werewolf, but I don't know that there's been a game where all villagers have had PM abilities. What kinds of things do people typically do when they have PM abilities like a lover role in previous games? Possibly it could be used to coordinate votes behind the scenes? (although that could be obvious to wolves when you look back at voting) Regarding feeding role information, there's obviously a danger that the person on the other end could be a wolf and you'd be providing them or potentially a neutral party with that information. In general I would be wary of PMing people that aren't fully cleared like Jack unless there might be a reason (based on your role?)

[Danny]

There are definite uses for both sides regarding the PM ability although on day 1 it might be limited.

[Poli]

Tick, tick, tick...

[saldana]

checking in...if we can keep the posts below 200 by noon (yes danny, i am talking to you), i should be able to keep up from work

[Alan T]

I actually just now read the rules. I guess we all get to send 4 Pms each day, I'll likely send two of mine initially this morning, and save my last two as response PMs if needed.

Also I was going to get a vote in just to make sure I don't miss it since I don't know when I'll be able to check in during the day. However the rule about Vote % needed has me hesitant to do so. Since I guess there is no specific deadline for lynch, I guess there could be an early lynch in the day if enough votes go one way or another. So I'll just wait and hope I get back. I also now understand what Chief meant about not knowing how the wolf kill works. With no deadline, I guess that does make that something interesting to watch for.

[JAG]

I actually just now read the rules. I guess we all get to send 4 Pms each day, I'll likely send two of mine initially this morning

I don't think we're allowed to send PMs yet.

Roles are out. Please let us know by PM if you did not get one.

Those with Night 0 actions please submit them. Deadline is Monday, July 6th at 9PM CST.

Everyone else, between now and then is a good time to ask questions about the game. As a reminder, there are no "open PM" rights on Night 0. Those begin at the start of Day 1.

[JAG]

There are definite uses for both sides regarding the PM ability although on day 1 it might be limited.

Can you expand on what you're thinking here? Chief Rum and I have thrown out our thoughts, we have one brand new player and myself working on game #2, and even some experienced players may not be able to conceive of what you're thinking that might be helpful for those in the government to know, so long as it won't be overly helpful for the conspiracy to see your thoughts laid out.

[JAG]

For those that watch the show...does anyone doubt that Jack has 'enhanced interrogation techniques' as a power? :)

[Thomkal]

Hey guys, I'm in but just a reminder I'll be driving up from Myrtle Beach to Chicago the next couple days but will be able to check in some.

Oh sure visit Myrtle Beach, but don't stop in and say hi to me. Guess I gotta vote for you now. :D Hope you had a good time while you were here.

[Thomkal]

Just checking in here-will be somewhat busy today so may not post a lot till later.

[PurdueBrad]

Oh sure visit Myrtle Beach, but don't stop in and say hi to me. Guess I gotta vote for you now. :D Hope you had a good time while you were here.

Didn't even realize it Thomkal! My parents have a place here that we will be frequenting a couple times a year, we will definitely have to try to get together next time.

[KWhit]

Hi guys. Obligatory Monday morning check-in post.

[Passacaglia]

Didn't bulletsponge always check in as a wolf? I know he did more than once. It probably didn't have any correlation to his wolfiness, but everyone would go crazy chatting about it, anyway.

Anyway, I still need to read the rules.

[ISiddiqui]

Jack Bauer is going to bed.

Out of character!! :mad:

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm expecting a lot of PM's when you all are able to send PM's...will clear out my inbox

[Telle]

Good morning everyone. Just checking in.

[Passacaglia]

So we know the following right now

23:00-23:59 = 40%

For now I will throw in guesstimates how the rest might go and then we can add in the lynch information as we gain it.

26:00-26:59
25:00-25:59 = 20%
24:00-24:59 = 30%
23:00-23:59 = 40%
20:00-22:59 = 50%
15:00-19:59 = 60%
10:00-14:59 = 70%
5:00-9:59 = 80%
1:00-4:59 = 90%
0:00-1:00 = 100%

I feel pretty good that the percentage will drop quickly after 24 hours expire as I'm sure Hoops wants to average a player lynched per day and now drop out a lynch very long. The rest is just guesses, but as lynched occur we should able to come up with a more accurate chart.

I'm not sure I agree on the top half of your table, Danny. My hunch would be that if no one gets 40% of the vote, we've got no lynch for the day.

Question: What happens if two players have 40% of the vote when the clock ticks 23:00?

[Tyrith]

Mass reveal is going to be worse than useless in this game, because the abilities a role has aren't likely to be completely uncoordinated to the character. I'd rather not narrow down their seer candidate list any.

[Tyrith]

My guess would be that it doesn't go lower than 40%, and after 23 hours as soon as someone gets to 40% they die.

[Barkeep49]

I'm not sure I agree on the top half of your table, Danny. My hunch would be that if no one gets 40% of the vote, we've got no lynch for the day.

Question: What happens if two players have 40% of the vote when the clock ticks 23:00?
Ties are unlikely. As soon as someone meets the minimum % needed for that time period they are lynched. The only way for a tie to happen is if they enter a time period tied with the minimum % needed. In that case the lynch will occur as soon as the tie is broken.

[DaddyTorgo]

busy day at work today...will likely be fairly quiet

[kingfc22]

Checking in this morning. Got my role and ready to roll.

[nfg22]

So...DT is Jack? So we can put him in the CoT....I think the CoT knowing roles would be good at somepoint. Then they can discuss who else should be in the CoT based on reveals?

[nfg22]

But it will be hard because characters dont have said powers. That being so, two people could reveal different but both say they have the same power...Do you think there are more than one Seer, BG....Etc...

[hoopsguy]

Putting in one minor rules update - please do not forward your starting PM verbatim as part of the "4 PM Send" option. The contents can certainly be discussed if you feel it is advantageous, but the moderators would prefer that these PMs are not disclosed in their entirety. Pretty standard WW stuff about not quoting PMs, but wanted to make sure that this clarification was out there before the start of Day 1.

[Autumn]

Well, my expectation to get right to work this morning turned into mowing the lawn and constructing a lemonade stand. I'm now caught up though, I think.

I don't see that mass role reveals would help at all. The names don't tell us anything about their allegiance. I think the roles will really just work behind the scenes and we have to hope people make good use of their abilities.

The voting mechanic is what has me wondering. I'd be wary of putting out an early vote as the wolves could turn it into a quick lynch. But the mechanic would allow us to have a denser voting record than normal if we turn lynches around quickly, which after the last few games sounds great. I miss solid voting records to look at.

[Autumn]

But it will be hard because characters dont have said powers. That being so, two people could reveal different but both say they have the same power...Do you think there are more than one Seer, BG....Etc...

My guess is that there are multiple roles with variations on the standards. So there might be two or more seer type powers with different limitations or nuances.

[path12]

Checking in as a good guy....has anyone ever checked in as wolf? Yet it seems we make a big deal out of how people check in.

Bulletsponge tried that a couple of times. I think he was a day 1 lynch both times so it's a low percentage move.

I am checking in as well. Though that seems obvious.

[saldana]

based upon my own role description, it would make sense to me that the abilities are at least nebulously related to the characters, but since the alliegences are not related to the characters, a mass role reveal doesnt really do anything for us.

[The Jackal]

So are we allowed to send PMs yet or is that not until tonight at 9?

[saldana]

So are we allowed to send PMs yet or is that not until tonight at 9?
no...we cant do anything yet.

[BrianD]

based upon my own role description, it would make sense to me that the abilities are at least nebulously related to the characters, but since the alliegences are not related to the characters, a mass role reveal doesnt really do anything for us.

Somebody help me out with this. There are 4 characters listed in post 1 under the heading of "conspirator". Does this just mean that they were conspirators on the show and not necessarily in this game? I can see where anyone in CTU or in the government could really be a conspirator, but in this game, is it possible that people listed as conspirators could really be good?

[The Jackal]

Somebody help me out with this. There are 4 characters listed in post 1 under the heading of "conspirator". Does this just mean that they were conspirators on the show and not necessarily in this game? I can see where anyone in CTU or in the government could really be a conspirator, but in this game, is it possible that people listed as conspirators could really be good?

I doubt that any of the conspirators, should they be in the game, are anything other than bad.

[The Jackal]

But there is certainly a chance that our mods gave one of those conspirator characters a different route to follow than what happened on the show, we'll see. Speculating on roles based on characters is something we probably won't get to for a while, unless everyone is just going to start shooting names off, which doesn't seem prudent at this point.

[Autumn]

And I thought they said pretty clearly in the rules that Jack is the only character we can assume any allegiance about. That seemed pretty clearly to me to mean that the rest of us are randomized.

[The Jackal]

And I thought they said pretty clearly in the rules that Jack is the only character we can assume any allegiance about. That seemed pretty clearly to me to mean that the rest of us are randomized.

Yes, that is true. I think that relates more to the wealth of good characters, though, that we can't assume all of them are good. It'd be weird if the 4 conspirators listed starting showing up claiming to be good guys.

[BrianD]

And I thought they said pretty clearly in the rules that Jack is the only character we can assume any allegiance about. That seemed pretty clearly to me to mean that the rest of us are randomized.

I thought the same but then got confused by having the four characters listed as conspirators. So if some character has the ability to "see" that one of the players is Habib Marwan, we shouldn't assume that he is bad?

[Autumn]

Yes, that is true. I think that relates more to the wealth of good characters, though, that we can't assume all of them are good. It'd be weird if the 4 conspirators listed starting showing up claiming to be good guys.

Yeah, it could be weighted toward them I suppose. Iw as thinking of the Marvel game, where it clearly was very random, but then there we all had public roles so that was much more necessary. It might not be as random here.

I'm curious to see what effect having DT cleared and public will have. Hopefully that's combined with some sort of ability to build a CoT.

[Passacaglia]

And I thought they said pretty clearly in the rules that Jack is the only character we can assume any allegiance about.

I don't see where it says that. It does say that he's the only public role, and the rest are private, but it doesn't say anything about him being the only one we can assume any allegiance about.

[The Jackal]

I don't see where it says that. It does say that he's the only public role, and the rest are private, but it doesn't say anything about him being the only one we can assume any allegiance about.

It says he's loyal to the government which means he's the only character we know the allegiance of, or should assume the allegiance of, which I think is what the point was.

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't see where it says that. It does say that he's the only public role, and the rest are private, but it doesn't say anything about him being the only one we can assume any allegiance about.

I'm pretty sure it said that too.

[path12]

based upon my own role description, it would make sense to me that the abilities are at least nebulously related to the characters, but since the alliegences are not related to the characters, a mass role reveal doesnt really do anything for us.

I would agree with this. On both counts.

[Passacaglia]

It says he's loyal to the government which means he's the only character we know the allegiance of, or should assume the allegiance of, which I think is what the point was.

I suppose. It doesn't say NOT to assume it about anyone else, though. I guess that's all I was thinking.

[hoopsguy]

Somebody help me out with this. There are 4 characters listed in post 1 under the heading of "conspirator". Does this just mean that they were conspirators on the show and not necessarily in this game? I can see where anyone in CTU or in the government could really be a conspirator, but in this game, is it possible that people listed as conspirators could really be good?

That section has been changed from "Foreigners/Conspirators" to "TV Show Villains" to avoid any confusion with the "Conspirators (aka wolves)" in this game.

The rules post does contain information on the relationship between "TV show persona" and "WW game persona". In nebulous language that we probably will not clarify further ;)

[BrianD]

That section has been changed from "Foreigners/Conspirators" to "TV Show Villains" to avoid any confusion with the "Conspirators (aka wolves)" in this game.

The rules post does contain information on the relationship between "TV show persona" and "WW game persona". In nebulous language that we probably will not clarify further ;)

That's cool, now I know not to assume any absolutes. If I see a Habib Marwan come out in the game, I know I can be suspicious but shouldn't be absolutely sure he is bad. That gives me what I was looking for. Thanks.

[JAG]

I suppose. It doesn't say NOT to assume it about anyone else, though. I guess that's all I was thinking.

I get the feeling people are making this too difficult.

The faction of the players, with the exception of Jack Bauer, is not predicated on the actions on the television show.

To me that reads that no matter whether a character was 'good' or 'bad' on the show, does not impact whether they are 'good' or 'bad' in this game. Kim Bauer might be the head of the Conspirators (maybe she'll be that in next season's 24 too), Habib Marwan might work for the Government for a pardon. Make up whatever backstory you want, but other than Jack, any other role is fair game for a good, neutral, or evil role.

[Autumn]

[COLOR=red]Each character is assigned the name of a character from the television show. All characters have unique abilities. The faction of the players, with the exception of Jack Bauer, is not predicated on the actions on the television show.

This is what I was reading. It seems pretty clear to me that we can't assume anything. I assume the roles will mostly work out in terms of certain inter-character relationships, ways roles interact based on the TV show.

[Autumn]

Hah, jinx.

[Passacaglia]

I get the feeling people are making this too difficult.

The faction of the players, with the exception of Jack Bauer, is not predicated on the actions on the television show.

To me that reads that no matter whether a character was 'good' or 'bad' on the show, does not impact whether they are 'good' or 'bad' in this game. Kim Bauer might be the head of the Conspirators (maybe she'll be that in next season's 24 too), Habib Marwan might work for the Government for a pardon. Make up whatever backstory you want, but other than Jack, any other role is fair game for a good, neutral, or evil role.

What I don't get, then, is why the wolves are given the names of the characters that are not in the game.

[JAG]

I hear you, I didn't totally get that myself. I guess it gives them a bit more flexibility as to what type of role they want to fake reveal as.

[Schmidty]

So reading this, it seems my role reveal is useless, even if I list what power I have.

And by the way this game looks to be more dificult than I thought. I'm kind of confused about clock/lynch thing. I'll go back through rules again when I get a chance.

[BrianD]

I get the feeling people are making this too difficult.

The faction of the players, with the exception of Jack Bauer, is not predicated on the actions on the television show.

To me that reads that no matter whether a character was 'good' or 'bad' on the show, does not impact whether they are 'good' or 'bad' in this game. Kim Bauer might be the head of the Conspirators (maybe she'll be that in next season's 24 too), Habib Marwan might work for the Government for a pardon. Make up whatever backstory you want, but other than Jack, any other role is fair game for a good, neutral, or evil role.

And my only confusing was characters listed as conspirators. I now know the list was of people who were conspirators on the show not necessarily in the game. I just needed clarification that "conspirator" meant "conspirator on the show". Makes much more sense now, and will hopefully prevent an even bigger fight in-game.

[Passacaglia]

And my only confusing was characters listed as conspirators. I now know the list was of people who were conspirators on the show not necessarily in the game. I just needed clarification that "conspirator" meant "conspirator on the show". Makes much more sense now, and will hopefully prevent an even bigger fight in-game.

This is about where I'm at now, I think.

[Autumn]

So reading this, it seems my role reveal is useless, even if I list what power I have.

That, and in addition I think that it's probably not a good idea to put our roles out there. I imagine certain roles can affect certain other roles so for the most part it's probably best to keep the wolves (and neutrals?) in the dark.

[Thomkal]

I agree with what others are saying about mass reveals-there's going to be quite a few extra roles out there-like 7? and even if there is a mass reveal it tells us nothing about what side people are on, especially given the clarification from the mods about the roles list and only gives slight clues to whatever powers are out there. And I'm guessing there's going to be some duplicate/very similar powers out there given the number of people in the game.

[EagleFan]

Glad I decided to get back into this one.

Will check back in later. Home with a migraine and figured I would pop on to see if I missed anything. Time to close my eyes for a while longer.

[Danny]

checking in...if we can keep the posts below 200 by noon (yes danny, i am talking to you), i should be able to keep up from work

Catching up, but I did not post for 8 hours just for you (and cause I was sleeping :)

[hoopsguy]

Saldana should be happy to know there were only 197 posts by noon (EST).

[Danny]

Can you expand on what you're thinking here? Chief Rum and I have thrown out our thoughts, we have one brand new player and myself working on game #2, and even some experienced players may not be able to conceive of what you're thinking that might be helpful for those in the government to know, so long as it won't be overly helpful for the conspiracy to see your thoughts laid out.

I don't know the roles and powers people have, but using basic WW roles as an example. A seer could feed his scans to a previously scanned player through these PM's. A bodyguard could feed his identity to somehow he protected and prevent a night kill from. A duke could PM to players under lynch consideration for info. As for wolves, PM's like these could be faked.

[Danny]

I'm not sure I agree on the top half of your table, Danny. My hunch would be that if no one gets 40% of the vote, we've got no lynch for the day.

Question: What happens if two players have 40% of the vote when the clock ticks 23:00?

That's certainly possible

[Danny]

based upon my own role description, it would make sense to me that the abilities are at least nebulously related to the characters, but since the alliegences are not related to the characters, a mass role reveal doesnt really do anything for us.

Definitely agreed.

[Danny]

I get the feeling people are making this too difficult.

The faction of the players, with the exception of Jack Bauer, is not predicated on the actions on the television show.

To me that reads that no matter whether a character was 'good' or 'bad' on the show, does not impact whether they are 'good' or 'bad' in this game. Kim Bauer might be the head of the Conspirators (maybe she'll be that in next season's 24 too), Habib Marwan might work for the Government for a pardon. Make up whatever backstory you want, but other than Jack, any other role is fair game for a good, neutral, or evil role.

I agree, we should not apply absolutes to this, but hopefully this is not any real consideration to a full reveal as it is pointless if not harmful to the village.

[DaddyTorgo]

Kim Bauer might be the head of the Conspirators (maybe she'll be that in next season's 24 too),

not unless she's conspiring to throw a topless pool party at my place!! :D

[DaddyTorgo]

I'M JACK BAUER!!!!!

[Danny]

not unless she's conspiring to throw a topless pool party at my place!! :D

You may not try and sex your daughter up

[Autumn]

Yeah, you've got the worst role in the game DT.

[DaddyTorgo]

LOL

[Poli]

Tick, tick, tick...

[nfg22]

Well....I have not much more to say at this point...but i enjoy the discussion. I think the players are totally random, but to me it doesnt matter as I have never watched the show.

[PurdueBrad]

I'll be driving now so I will catch you guys in the morning. Thanks for bearing with me.

[kingfc22]

I want some action :)

This is 24!

[EagleFan]

I want some action :)

This is 24!

Looks like it's the night before the premier, we still have a few hours to go. :)

[EagleFan]

I'll be driving now so I will catch you guys in the morning. Thanks for bearing with me.

Don't worry, it will give me time to prepare my vote. Unless you want to talk about a new sig? :rant:

:D

[Autumn]

It will be interesting starting in a half hour. I'm wondering how this voting dynamic, and realtime actions will work out. Hopefully it will give us something to work with day one.

[Barkeep49]

It will be interesting starting in a half hour. I'm wondering how this voting dynamic, and realtime actions will work out. Hopefully it will give us something to work with day one.
Not that it will be much of an issue in this game but we use the Central Time Zone this game as that is what both Hoops and I reside in.

[Autumn]

Aw, thanks, I forgot about that.

[Danny]

Not that it will be much of an issue in this game but we use the Central Time Zone this game as that is what both Hoops and I reside in.

Bah! I am on the west coast and I will always refer to time in the eastern time zone since that is standard around here.

[henry296]

A couple of thoughts on the discussion of the day.

1. Character reveal - doesn't matter either way since it doesn't tell me anything.
2. PMs - A great concept, but as I think Alan T mentioned we really only get 2 people to talk to since we likely will need to reply. As a villager I probably wouldn't talk strategy but would like to try to get info on roles, but be very careful in the first few days if not avoid the PMs because the risk is too high.
3. My availabilty - I mentioned this when I signed up, but I have no access during the day. I have no board or e-mail access until about 8:30 PM each night. I will contribute at night, as respond at that time.

This is the longest day zero ever and wish we could get started now.

[EagleFan]

So what's the over/under on the number of times that hoops and BK have to clear their inboxes?

[Danny]

So what's the over/under on the number of times that hoops and BK have to clear their inboxes?

3

[Barkeep49]

3
Over. Book it for as much as you'd be willing to take.