Werewolf XCVIII - 24 Day Game Over - Post 2899

[hoopsguy]

Confirmed time on start of Day 2. 8:06 PM CST last night.

[Passacaglia]

Pass, I believe it was 8:06 PM on 7/7. Will double-check that now.

Thanks. 8:06 Central?

[hoopsguy]

OK, back out again for an hour or so. I'm hoping BK beats me back to the thread.

[Passacaglia]

So we're past 23:00, and 40% is enough to lynch. Clap had 8 of 21 before I unvoted. Or am I wrong about that...Alan?

[EagleFan]

But 8 isn't 40%.

[EagleFan]

It's 38%

[Alan T]

So we're past 23:00, and 40% is enough to lynch. Clap had 8 of 21 before I unvoted. Or am I wrong about that...Alan?


Clap had 7 votes according to the vote count on the last page. We would have been at what I would assume was the 40% stage of 23 hours though and he needed 9 votes if I am doing the math correctly. Even if there is a hidden vote in there, we still would have been one short. Now that you unvoted, we are two short.

[Alan T]

Chief Rum - EagleFan (924, 3:23 PM), Telle (950, 3:53 PM)
Claphamsa - Pass (775, 8:57 AM), nfg (781, 9:21 AM), DT (923, 3:23 PM), Alan T (935, 3:31), Autumn (948, 3:46), Purdue (967, 4:58 pm), Chief (969, 6:01 PM)

Purdue - path (867, 1:55), Schmidty (956 4:18 pm), Jackal (960, 4:37 pm), Danny (966 4:55 pm), NTN (991, 7:09 PM), Clap (993, 7:14 PM)

Telle - BrianD (881, 2:23 PM)

nfg22 - king (949, 3:51 PM)

The Jackal - Saldana (947, 3:44 PM)


This is the last vote count I see and what I am going off of. I see only 7 votes here right?

[Passacaglia]

But 8 isn't 40%.

I wasn't saying it was. I was just setting the scene. Sorry, I guess I could have come through with the percent. It looks like 9/21 is required to lynch. My thinking on Alan was that his vote counted double, making us actually 9/22, but that would have given us a lynch, so my read on him is off.

[EagleFan]

6-6 now if I am counting correctly.

[Passacaglia]

This is the last vote count I see and what I am going off of. I see only 7 votes here right?

Yep. I was going off clap's post saying he had 8 -- but maybe he was counting two for you also.

[PurdueBrad]

Yeah, we're tied at 6 all right now.

[EagleFan]

I wasn't saying it was. I was just setting the scene. Sorry, I guess I could have come through with the percent. It looks like 9/21 is required to lynch. My thinking on Alan was that his vote counted double, making us actually 9/22, but that would have given us a lynch, so my read on him is off.

It was actually only 7 when you unvoted to make it 6. I looked back and the 8 number came from clap thinking he had 8 votes on him.

[claphamsa]

i went from the last count... and added new votes... but im not a good counter :P thats why i work for the government.

[Alan T]

I wasn't saying it was. I was just setting the scene. Sorry, I guess I could have come through with the percent. It looks like 9/21 is required to lynch. My thinking on Alan was that his vote counted double, making us actually 9/22, but that would have given us a lynch, so my read on him is off.


My vote does not count double. I didn't really suggest that was the case. I was simply saying that yesterday's vote count had an extra hidden vote in it. I haven't commented yet today if that was the case or not. I can understand the confusion, but for arguement sake if there was one hidden today as well, we still would have been one vote short. (now two votes short if you were trying to save Claphamsa just now)

[Passacaglia]

My vote does not count double. I didn't really suggest that was the case. I was simply saying that yesterday's vote count had an extra hidden vote in it. I haven't commented yet today if that was the case or not. I can understand the confusion, but for arguement sake if there was one hidden today as well, we still would have been one vote short. (now two votes short if you were trying to save Claphamsa just now)

Right -- I think we're all clear. Yes, I didn't want us to be one short of lynching clap right now.

[EagleFan]

Hi PB, would you like to discuss changing that sig? :)

[Alan T]

Ok just making sure everyone is on the same page. :)

Keep in mind the percentages are just my guesses of what is needed though.

[Passacaglia]

Ok just making sure everyone is on the same page. :)

Keep in mind the percentages are just my guesses of what is needed though.

Huh? We know the percentage is 40%. No need to guess on that.

[PurdueBrad]

EF, I would gladly change the sig, regardless of your vote. In fact, it will be done after this post.

[claphamsa]

but ti changes by time of day....

[PurdueBrad]

It is done EF.

[claphamsa]

oh wow, its almost 9! thats what 3hours OT does to you :(

[EagleFan]

EF, I would gladly change the sig, regardless of your vote. In fact, it will be done after this post.

Suddenly my urge to vote for you has vanished. Unless you do something wolfish that is.

[Alan T]

Huh? We know the percentage is 40%. No need to guess on that.


40% is not a static number. It changes through the day. My speculation today was on what the required number would be and when. Now that we are at the 23 hour mark it is back to 40% again.

[Thomkal]

Okay then I need to vote, despite DT voting for Clap, I just don't see his actions today as very wolfy, though no one else admitting to being a programmer still makes me suspicious of him. So I will have to vote for PurdueBrad then to see if its wolves pushing a vote on Clap or not.

vote PurdueBrad

[claphamsa]

wow, im flying up the post count :( and imissed out on the first 4 pages of pre game posting

[DaddyTorgo]

back from dinner and all

@5:43 PM - I say Option B. Option A i can handle. Interesting insight - noted.

[henry296]

Just finished reading the day.

I'm not buying Clap as a wolf... too aggressive for this early in the game and I suspect others have computer skillls. Now that he has posted I would think someone would reply to DT as perhaps his earlier messages were cryptic.

Also not convinced on Chief Rum since the only reason given was the first vote on Kwhit.

Therefore, i think the best move of the day is to vote for PurdueBrad to learn from yesterday

[b]Vote PurdueBrad] - sorry fellow Pens fan.

[henry296]

Bad formating

Vote PurdueBrad

[DaddyTorgo]

going back to catch up

[claphamsa]

also i would like to note that i have not suspected Danny or Heinze yet this game.

[henry296]

I think the night phase lasts 6 hours after day phase ends. Lynch was 9 PM est and the two night kills were at 3 AM. For that I feel for Barkeep.

i really hope that the second kill was a mis-guided villager or else we need to make progress against the conspiracy.

[Thomkal]

well heinze isn't playing this game, so it'd be hard to suspect him. :)

[claphamsa]

u havent played in a while have you.....

[EagleFan]

unvote CR

vote clap

I would still rather stay with the CR vote though. PB is not pinging me so cla makes more sense with DT's suspicion at least.

[DaddyTorgo]

ok - i'm on 991. let me address this now.

it's not necessarily what you said in your PM clap. it's the fact that I have asked since you sent it if there were any other people that could corroborate your thing about "looking for other programmers".

nobody else has even said that is a part of their role, despite knowing now for more than a day that somebody is going to be lynched because of that. now if you want to say "well i'm the only programmer that knows that" i suppose that's a vague possibility, but you didn't state that in your initial PM to me.

[DaddyTorgo]

@8:50 PM - the answer to your question is no.

[DaddyTorgo]

well i never said i was the programmer looking for other programmers till about an hour ago....

actually you told me that much much earlier

[claphamsa]

ok - i'm on 991. let me address this now.

it's not necessarily what you said in your PM clap. it's the fact that I have asked since you sent it if there were any other people that could corroborate your thing about "looking for other programmers".

nobody else has even said that is a part of their role, despite knowing now for more than a day that somebody is going to be lynched because of that. now if you want to say "well i'm the only programmer that knows that" i suppose that's a vague possibility, but you didn't state that in your initial PM to me.
DT i never saw anything about a programmer getting lynched....

second off who sais they need to look for me? I jsut said i have special privileges.... that could be... unlimited pms... or something of the like, not necessarily 2 way. so no i dont think there is any reason anyone else would be looking for me.

[DaddyTorgo]

guys - i have talked to others with computer skills - nobody has said anything close to what clap said

[Passacaglia]

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

[claphamsa]

actually you told me that much much earlier
yes but i just posted that it was ME publically about an hour before that post, in which i was respondent to someone.. (thromkal?)

[PurdueBrad]

I'm really selfishly hoping that some of you guys follow DT on this cause, as I've now said for a second day, I kind of want to play for awhile!

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm not suspicious of PB really though either.

let me go back and find the PM's clap sent to me to make myself feel better bout that vote.

[claphamsa]

guys - i have talked to others with computer skills - nobody has said anything close to what clap said


nor have i ever said they would.... once again DT is making assumptions that hurt the village, and passing it off as damning evidence

[Alan T]

VOTE CLAPHAMSA


I think this likely should be the lynch vote right here.

[Barkeep49]

Vote count as of 1041:

Chief Rum: Telle (950, 3:53 PM)
Claphamsa: nfg (781, 9:21 AM) DT (923, 3:23 PM) Alan T (935, 3:31) Autumn (948, 3:46) Purdue (967, 4:58 pm) Chief (969, 6:01 PM) EF (1040, 7:49)
Purdue: path (867, 1:55) Schmidty (956 4:18 pm) Jackal (960, 4:37 pm) Danny (966 4:55 pm) NTN (991, 7:09 PM) Clap (993, 7:14 PM) Thomkal (1040, 7:41 pm) henry (1034, 7:44
Telle: BrianD (881, 2:23 PM)
nfg22: king (949, 3:51 PM)
The Jackal: Saldana (947, 3:44 PM)

[DaddyTorgo]

and I have special privelages with other programmers, but I dont know who they are......so fi someone tells you they are one of the programmers its good for me to know (maybe) probably wont matter


no other programmers have said anything about special privelages

[claphamsa]

i'm not suspicious of PB really though either.

let me go back and find the PM's clap sent to me to make myself feel better bout that vote.


please post it for all to see, since i have already done so. then you can stop making insane inferences from it.

[Barkeep49]

We have a lynch as of post 1046

[Autumn]

I"m content with my vote on Clap. He may just be clap being clap, but to act like we don't know about the whole programmer issue when DT yelled it out in all caps yesterday two or three times just seems like throwing dust in the air and hoping to make a getaway.

[Autumn]

I already had Pass as having the first vote on Clap. Isn't that right?

[DaddyTorgo]

well clap - if you had special programmer powers that another didn't have you could have been more clear in your initial PM about them, and about how they were unique and others wouldn't have them.

[claphamsa]

no other programmers have said anything about special privelages


seriously? WTF would anyone say anything about special provelges when its MY role!

I can protect any programmer once for a 12 hour period.

does that make you happy? now stop trying to read shit into the game thats not there ur hurting the village.

[PurdueBrad]

Damn.

[Schmidty]

We have a lynch as of post 1046

So clap?

Man, that would suck for him as a player. But if he's a wolf, Yay.

[PurdueBrad]

I think it's me Schimidty, based on the vote count BK posted above.

[Passacaglia]

I already had Pass as having the first vote on Clap. Isn't that right?

I unvoted maybe half an hour ago.

[Alan T]

I think it's me Schimidty, based on the vote count BK posted above.


No, Clap was the vote that BK indicated.

[EagleFan]

I think it's me Schimidty, based on the vote count BK posted above.

But the post that he says caused the lynch was after that post count and a vote for clap.

[DaddyTorgo]

seriously? WTF would anyone say anything about special provelges when its MY role!

I can protect any programmer once for a 12 hour period.

does that make you happy? now stop trying to read shit into the game thats not there ur hurting the village.

if you'd told me that...if you'd spelled out more about your powers, i would have been less suspicious. fact is you left it completely vague - you brought the suspicion down on yourself.

this was your pm:

role
<hr style="color: rgb(209, 209, 225);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> Im some far programmer... and I have special privelages with other programmers, but I dont know who they are......so fi someone tells you they are one of the programmers its good for me to know (maybe) probably wont matter :)

[PurdueBrad]

Christ, if it is, this is day 2 of me mis-reading how the lynches have occurred.

[Autumn]

seriously? WTF would anyone say anything about special provelges when its MY role!

I can protect any programmer once for a 12 hour period.

does that make you happy? now stop trying to read shit into the game thats not there ur hurting the village.

Why wouldn't you have divulged these details to DT originally? Sounds fishy my friend.

[Autumn]

And what is "some far programmer?" is that supposed to be fat programmer?

[Schmidty]

if you'd told me that...if you'd spelled out more about your powers, i would have been less suspicious. fact is you left it completely vague - you brought the suspicion down on yourself.

this was your pm:

role
<hr style="color: rgb(209, 209, 225);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> Im some far programmer... and I have special privelages with other programmers, but I dont know who they are......so fi someone tells you they are one of the programmers its good for me to know (maybe) probably wont matter :)

I love clap, that is beyond ridiculously incoherent. :)

[Barkeep49]

Another day and still the Conspiracy seems to be gaining ground. The Department of Homeland Security reveals that a warehouse full of confiscated arms was raided the previous night. The mere existence of this warehouse is classified and DHS is still trying to figure out what exactly was taken. The Conspiracy is up to something, but what?

Eventually it is decided that the agent who goes by the name claphamsa is not helping the cause. As such you remove this computer expert from your midst and hope that this will be helpful. However, during his "exit" interview you realize that dismissing him harmed only the Government.

You are Edgar Stiles, a computer exert you want around in a crisis. You may designate one of the computer experts, including yourself, (see post 2) to be safe from wolf attack for 12 hours. You may not protect the same person twice. <redacted>

Washington calls CTU wondering if the Government is truly doing everything in its powers to stop the Conspiracy. Hopefully you will have some results to show soon.

[DaddyTorgo]

ugh :rant:

[henry296]

BK - Can you post the final vote tallies?

[PurdueBrad]

JESUS, Claph, had you revealed, guh. I'll even say that it would have been better to lynch me than you.

[EagleFan]

Um, are we sure Jack is really on our side? ;)

[The Jackal]

How you got to looking for programmers from that role description is kind of escaping me.. It's just semantics, but I'd say fairly important semantics.

[Barkeep49]

BK - Can you post the final vote tallies?
Yes. Here is the final tally:

Chief Rum: Telle (950, 3:53 PM)
Claphamsa: nfg (781, 9:21 AM) DT (923, 3:23 PM) Alan T (935, 3:31) Autumn (948, 3:46) Purdue (967, 4:58 pm) Chief (969, 6:01 PM) EF (1040, 7:49) Pass (1046 7:54)
Purdue: path (867, 1:55) Schmidty (956 4:18 pm) Jackal (960, 4:37 pm) Danny (966 4:55 pm) NTN (991, 7:09 PM) Clap (993, 7:14 PM) Thomkal (1040, 7:41 pm) henry (1034, 7:44)
Telle: BrianD (881, 2:23 PM)
nfg22: king (949, 3:51 PM)
The Jackal: Saldana (947, 3:44 PM)

[claphamsa]

far fat whatever!

[DaddyTorgo]

Um, are we sure Jack is really on our side? ;)

yes

[Thomkal]

*sigh*

[Autumn]

Arg, wow. So basically a bodyguard. That would have been helpful to know. I'm always amazed how often the village shoots itself in the foot.

Hmm. Well, back to the voting record I guess. This one hopefully will tell us something. I may return to nfg for my next vote.

[Schmidty]

far fat whatever!

Please play the next game and don't quit!!!

[henry296]

So Clap had 8 votes of 21, which is less than 40%. Again, someone's vote counts twice.

Here are the Kwit votes:

KWhit: nfg (482, 2:39 PM) CR (565, 6:44) Brian (579, 7:22) Autumn (581, 7:27) DT (595, 7:39) Telle (598, 7:42) ISiddiqui (599 7:44) Alan (600 7:44) PB (602, 7:44)

Here are the Clap votes:

Claphamsa: nfg (781, 9:21 AM) DT (923, 3:23 PM) Alan T (935, 3:31) Autumn (948, 3:46) Purdue (967, 4:58 pm) Chief (969, 6:01 PM) EF (1040, 7:49) Pass (1046 7:54)

A lot of the same votes, so there is likely a wolf there.

[DaddyTorgo]

Arg, wow. So basically a bodyguard. That would have been helpful to know. I'm always amazed how often the village shoots itself in the foot.

Hmm. Well, back to the voting record I guess. This one hopefully will tell us something. I may return to nfg for my next vote.

woulda been nice if i had known that before leading the lynch towards him

[The Jackal]

Hrm. So we have five repeat voters (aside from Jack)?

nfg, CR, Autumn, Alan, PB

[PurdueBrad]

Jackal, not that it means much, but I can fairly easily explain my repeat votes:

Self-defense both nights

[The Jackal]

Jackal, not that it means much, but I can fairly easily explain my repeat votes:

Self-defense both nights

That's good, I'd definitely like to hear from everyone on that list of five. Self-defense doesn't give you an auto-pass but it definitely makes me want to listen to the others more.

[DaddyTorgo]

Hrm. So we have five repeat voters (aside from Jack)?

nfg, CR, Autumn, Alan, PB

interesting. a couple of those i'd say aren't great suspects and were likely just following me. but a couple...more questionable.

[Alan T]

That's good, I'd definitely like to hear from everyone on that list of five. Self-defense doesn't give you an auto-pass but it definitely makes me want to listen to the others more.


I'm pretty sure that I gave quite lengthy reasons for my votes each day. It is easy to have a better voting record as a wolf then as a villager, since the wolves know who else is bad. The true test will be when a wolf finally is on the block and we see who tries to save them.

None of my votes so far have been anywhere close to saving anyone (with the exception I guess if you want to say my unvote of ntn when I did day 1 was to save him, but in that case why would I have voted him when I did in the first place if that was my intent?). So if I was a wolf, one would have to guess none of the others up for the vote so far was a wolf since I haven't shown any motivation to either push specifically for a player to be lynched or for anyone to not be lynched. I simply gave my reasons for voting the person that I did.

I also think people are being overly hard on DT. He gave Claphamsa way more than a chance today to try to help clarify things. Claphamsa did nothing but become overly combative in the thread and really didn't even attempt to try to give any clarification to anyone to save himself really earlier today. In fact Clap was so far over the top, my discussion with DaddyTorgo was partially that I felt he could even be the duke that was almost begging to be lynched. DT disagreed with me on that and was obviously correct in that case.

Anyways, I've been wrong twice.. but not like I've been not giving a reason for my votes.

[DaddyTorgo]

thanks for making me feel better Alan. I'm hoping we'll have some quality insight to go on tomorrow.

Just a note - I may quite possibly be gone for most of the afternoon tomorrow. If I can get all my stuff done at work I'm going to try to cut out at like 2pm and go down to the Cape to watch a Cape League baseball game tomorrow night, in which case I wouldn't be back until like 10:30 or 11pm.

I'm going to mess around tonight and see what I can do in order to post from my phone (internet explorer on my phone hates java)

[Autumn]

Hrm. So we have five repeat voters (aside from Jack)?

nfg, CR, Autumn, Alan, PB

Day 1 I simply followed DT as I thought he had a better reason for suspicion than any info I had. Today was mostly the same, though I was saying all day that I thought clap was rather desperately attacking DT. I figured he might have been afraid he was caught out with a fake role reveal. When DT showed that clap was his best bet too I figured it was as good as we had. I don't have any particular reason to vote PB other than the fact that it would shed some light on voting history.

[DaddyTorgo]

@9:32pm - I'm awaiting clarification on something from BK/Hoops. Will know more then.

[Autumn]

If anyone has a lists of vote and unovtes, I think that will be very helpful. I got several pings during the voting of strange votes along the way, but I didn't note them all.

[kingfc22]

If anyone has a lists of vote and unovtes, I think that will be very helpful. I got several pings during the voting of strange votes along the way, but I didn't note them all.

I should be able to work on this

[ISiddiqui]

Yikes! I leave for 6 hours and we've already lynched? This game moves fast. I'll have to be aware of that for next time (the next day this game and the next game I'm in)!

[nfg22]

I just caught up...votes in a minute...

[nfg22]

i mean....thoughts in a minute...

[path12]

Goddamnit. Oh well.

I've read peoples reasons but I really can't see why anyone would have seriously thought Clap was bad given how out there he was.

And clap, you know I like you, but you should have been way clearer. far fat whatever doesn't cut it. This is a game where meanings are important and you've got to play it that way.

[Barkeep49]

Jack goes off the grid for a while and it seems before he did so he took BrianD with him. When Jack re-emerges it's with an unconscious BrianD.

[DaddyTorgo]

it's only day 2...we're okay.

[DaddyTorgo]

WOOHOOO!

[The Jackal]

I have no issues with interrogation of BrianD, if that is what has occurred.

[The Jackal]

WOOHOOO!

Feel free to elaborate!

[ISiddiqui]

Uh oh... it seems Jack was engaging in some enhanced interrogation techniques with BrianD! I bet he yelled at him really loudly too!!

[The Jackal]

We're waiting..

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_o4Fp0Lvbs4o/RvBBsGtxTUI/AAAAAAAAAEI/K4eWxey7ks8/s1600/Elisha+Cuthbert.bmp

[The Jackal]

I felt I needed to take back my mantle of Cuthbert poster with authority.

[kingfc22]

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(652) Danny vote Chief – Chief 1
(754) Clap vote Pass – Chief 1, Pass 1
(775) Pass vote Clap – Chief 1, Pass 1, Clap 1
(781) nfg vote Clap – Clap 2, Chief 1, Pass 1
(867) path vote PB - Clap 2, Chief 1, Pass 1, PB 1
(881) Brian vote Telle - Clap 2, Chief 1, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1
(919) autumn vote nfg - Clap 2, Chief 1, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1. nfg 1
(923) DT vote Clap - Clap 3, Chief 1, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1. nfg 1
(924) EF vote Chief - Clap 3, Chief 2, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1. nfg 1
(935) Alan vote Clap - Clap 4, Chief 2, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1. nfg 1
(947) saldana vote Jackal - Clap 4, Chief 2, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1. nfg 1, Jackal 1
(948) UNVOTE autumn off nfg - Clap 4, Chief 2, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1
(948) autumn vote Clap - Clap 5, Chief 2, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1<o:p></o:p>
(949) king vote nfg - Clap 5, Chief 2, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(951) telle vote Chief - Clap 5, Chief 3, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(956) Schmidty vote PB - Clap 5, Chief 3, PB 2, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(960) Jackal vote PB - Clap 5, Chief 3, PB 3, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(966) UNVOTE Danny off Chief - Clap 5, PB 3, Chief 2, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(966) Danny vote PB - Clap 5, PB 4, Chief 2, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(967) PB vote Clap - Clap 6, PB 4, Chief 2, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(969) Chief vote Clap - Clap 7, PB 4, Chief 2, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(991) ntn vote PB - Clap 7, PB 5, Chief 2, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(993) UNVOTE Clap off Pass - Clap 7, PB 5, Chief 2, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(993) Clap vote PB - Clap 7, PB 6, Chief 2, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(1004) UNVOTE Pass off Clap - Clap 6, PB 6, Chief 2, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(1030) Thomkal vote PB - PB 7, Clap 6, Chief 2, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(1034) henry vote PB - PB 8, Clap 6, Chief 2, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(1040) UNVOTE EF off Chief - PB 8, Clap 6, Chief 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(1040) EF vote Clap - PB 8, Clap 7, Chief 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(1046) Pass vote Clap - PB 8, Clap 8, Chief 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg<o:p></o:p>

[DaddyTorgo]

yay for "enhanced interrogation" - sorry we won't hear for BrianD for a while now as a result of that, but I learned that we can trust him.

[DaddyTorgo]

We're waiting..

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_o4Fp0Lvbs4o/RvBBsGtxTUI/AAAAAAAAAEI/K4eWxey7ks8/s1600/Elisha+Cuthbert.bmp

that pic is so hot. one of my sister's friends stole my copy of that movie...damn...i really could use to mmm...watch it.

[DaddyTorgo]

okayyyyy...some VERY interesting info has just been brought to my attention

[kingfc22]

okayyyyy...some VERY interesting info has just been brought to my attention

please divulge

[Autumn]

Now we're heating up. In more ways than one.

So you're vouching for BrianD's allegiance, DT?

[Chief Rum]

Hrm. So we have five repeat voters (aside from Jack)?

nfg, CR, Autumn, Alan, PB

What is "repeat voters"? You mean, people whose votes were on the lynch candidate both days?

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE AUTUMN

[DaddyTorgo]

Now we're heating up. In more ways than one.

So you're vouching for BrianD's allegiance, DT?

for BrianD's and against yours. Not sure why you'd send someone a PM claiming that I asked them to tell you their role (not at all true).

[PurdueBrad]

I will follow DT again:

Vote Autumn

[DaddyTorgo]

sorry you can't talk or anything Brian. I had suspicions about you and wanted to check them out - I apologize.

[Danny]

Hmmm, well I''ll get this in now and then see as things develop

Vote Autumn

[Autumn]

for BrianD's and against yours. Not sure why you'd send someone a PM claiming that I asked them to tell you their role (not at all true).

Ah, well let's not have another clapfest.

That is not what I told him. When I get my PM abilities back I can explain that to you or if you wish I can divulge it here.

[Chief Rum]

VOTE AUTUMN




Really? Is this in the "no doubt about it" sorta way?

If so, way to go, Jack!

I will ignore the past two days of crappy results and think positive. ;)

VOTE AUTUMN

[Danny]

Regarding Clap, I really don't understand why villagers react and go about things the way he did. I felt is a decent chance he was just being crazy Clap, but it's really not helpful when you are on the block.

[kingfc22]

Interesting and highly co-incidental.

DT check your PM box

[DaddyTorgo]

Ah, well let's not have another clapfest.

That is not what I told him. When I get my PM abilities back I can explain that to you or if you wish I can divulge it here.

i'd be interested to hear it via PM when you get those abilities back, but i'm not sure how he could have misinterperted it at all or anything.

[EagleFan]

vote Autumn

Well done Jack.

[DaddyTorgo]

no king - that did not occur at all.

[EagleFan]

dola: Of course we end up 0 for 3 we may not want to PM you anymore. ;)

[ISiddiqui]

DT seems very sure after his "enhanced interrogation" and one thing about 24 I know is that Jack knows how to get his information.

Vote Autumn

[Autumn]

DT, you can now see why I don't have any PMs left. Just make sure you don't hit any super early lynch deadline before I can get back to you.

[Autumn]

No guys, BrianD didn't have any information on me. This is a separate issue.

[DaddyTorgo]

not sure what you can say autumn - i never gave you any "permission" or "okay" to PM people and leverage my name to try to get their roles. that's pretty damn wolfish if you ask me.

[DaddyTorgo]

No guys, BrianD didn't have any information on me. This is a separate issue.

very true. separate issue. just occurred basically at the same time.

[nfg22]

I was already on this boat after Autumn quickly jumped on me...so did kingfc22 to be totally honest.......

VOTE AUTUMN

[DaddyTorgo]

@king - that sounds like not a bad idea, but i'd wait until we get closer to the time something might happen

[kingfc22]

I was already on this boat after Autumn quickly jumped on me...so did kingfc22 to be totally honest.......

VOTE AUTUMN

I've actually been thinking autumn was a bit suspicious since yesterday and there is somebody that can vouch this for me.

I wanted to see who if anybody, would join in and maybe create a run on you. Which could have led us to more suspects.

[DaddyTorgo]

@Path - Doubt it.

It's on the list to be done. I had been thinking about it since the beginning actually. But it matches up so far powers-wise hmm?

[nfg22]

King...you may be telling the truth. I am not personally down with making runs on people to get more suspects. I would rather vote for the most probable and get suspects out of that. Of course the last two days that has led us to villagers. Of course if you create a run on me it is one more villager, so neither of us have a proven plan yet.

[DaddyTorgo]

and PS - giving me "code words" to answer in thread is a great idea folks. saves my PM's so i can answer your questions.

[nfg22]

be back in a little..would like vote count from someone less lazy than me. Thanks!

[path12]

CAN WE PLEASE NOT LYNCH ANYONE RIGHT THIS SECOND!!!!

Jesus, people. Can we see what develops and at least hear what the guy has to say???

[hoopsguy]

Uh oh... it seems Jack was engaging in some enhanced interrogation techniques with BrianD! I bet he yelled at him really loudly too!!


WHERE'S THE BOMB???!?!?!?!?!?

[Chief Rum]

Wait, so if it's not a scan thing, why are we voting for Autumn again? I was figuring this was some sort of WW mechanic, a lockdown sure bet. Is this another judgment call?

[path12]

Somebody take their vote off of Autumn. If the conspiracy sees something going on here they might pull a quick kill to get a ratio.

[DaddyTorgo]

CAN WE PLEASE NOT LYNCH ANYONE RIGHT THIS SECOND!!!!

Jesus, people. Can we see what develops and at least hear what the guy has to say???

i am willing to hear what he has to say (and there are other candidates), but I'm not sure what sort of excuse I could possibly buy for it. Especially given multiple instances.

[Chief Rum]

path, you're right. If we all pile on right now, we might lynch before we're ready. I have time, I'll be around tonight. So for now...

UNVOTE AUTUMN

[path12]

Dola, I'm not vouching for him or not, but if he has some sort of alibi we don't need to lose another good guy.

[Chief Rum]

i am willing to hear what he has to say (and there are other candidates), but I'm not sure what sort of excuse I could possibly buy for it. Especially given multiple instances.

Are you able to elaborate on what you're talking about without giving away other confidences or putting anyone else at risk?

[Danny]

Wait, so if it's not a scan thing, why are we voting for Autumn again? I was figuring this was some sort of WW mechanic, a lockdown sure bet. Is this another judgment call?

Apparently there was some contradiction of PM's and DT says Autumn PM'ed players to get roles saying DT wanted him to.

I guess I will wait and see how this develops.

unvote Autumn

[Danny]

Somebody take their vote off of Autumn. If the conspiracy sees something going on here they might pull a quick kill to get a ratio.

While CR and I did, we didn't have near the votes to lynch Autumn, remember the 40% is for later, right now we probably need damn near 100%

[Chief Rum]

Apparently there was some contradiction of PM's and DT says Autumn PM'ed players to get roles saying DT wanted him to.

I guess I will wait and see how this develops.

unvote Autumn

Hmm...

Autumn? Explanatiolo?

[DaddyTorgo]

Apparently there was some contradiction of PM's and DT says Autumn PM'ed players to get roles saying DT wanted him to.

I guess I will wait and see how this develops.

unvote Autumn

that's basically what happened. multiple people have PM'd me saying "autumn sent me a PM saying i should tell him my role because DaddyTorgo wants to build a CoT"

and let me make that clear - i would never ask ANYBODY to tell their role to a third-party, and i would check with both parties before hooking two people up unless i am 110% sure that both parties are not conspiracy members.

[ISiddiqui]

If he was PMing players saying DT said to give up their roles, when DT didn't, that sounds suspicious to me. Though I do want to hear the explanation for it. I'll still keep my vote on Autumn, for now, based on what DT said.

[Autumn]

DT, PM is sent. I will be on for a while to answer questions. Thanks guys for pulling back. Regardless what you end up thinking about me, a quick lynch over PM issues again would be bad.

[DaddyTorgo]

Hmm...

Autumn? Explanatiolo?

autumn would rather PM me an explanation first i think as it may involve role-specific details, so we will wait until that time.

did autumn send you any PM's chief?

[henry296]

DT some more specifics would be nice before jumping on this bandwagon.

[Chief Rum]

that's basically what happened. multiple people have PM'd me saying "autumn sent me a PM saying i should tell him my role because DaddyTorgo wants to build a CoT"

and let me make that clear - i would never ask ANYBODY to tell their role to a third-party, and i would check with both parties before hooking two people up unless i am 110% sure that both parties are not conspiracy members.

Hmm, okay, now I am really curious to see what Autumn says. Thanks, DT, I see what you mean.

[Autumn]

Well, if we're going to hash it out in here I'll let it be known that the request A) had something to do with my ability and B) was not worded that DT was requesting that I do that. It was a way to confirm some info to pass to DT.

[Danny]

Hmm, that is pretty damning if it was multiple people. I'm putting my vote back.

Vote Autumn

[DaddyTorgo]

@9:52 - "A"

[Chief Rum]

autumn would rather PM me an explanation first i think as it may involve role-specific details, so we will wait until that time.

did autumn send you any PM's chief?

No, no word. Of course, I have only actually talked with one person. I think everyone figures (correctly for the most part) that I ain't around to chat anyway.

[Danny]

DT, out of curiosity, was the info he wanted just the name of the person or was it full role info?

[DaddyTorgo]

@henry - that is INCORRECT

[DaddyTorgo]

DT, out of curiosity, was the info he wanted just the name of the person or was it full role info?

he says it was role, and they both said that too

[Danny]

Ok, I'm leaving my vote where it is now unless something really changes.

[Autumn]

he says it was role, and they both said that too

By role I mean role, as in character. That is all I asked for and all I got.

[The Jackal]

What is "repeat voters"? You mean, people whose votes were on the lynch candidate both days?

Right. Repeat votes from that post.

[DaddyTorgo]

nfg & king - did he just want your names, or did he want info about your roles?

[kingfc22]

nfg & king - did he just want your names, or did he want info about your roles?

Just name.

[The Jackal]

Damn, just read through that mass of posts, I didn't think I was going to miss that much action. Curious.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmm

[The Jackal]

I'll wait to hear further info before throwing out a vote, as no more are necessary at the moment.

[DaddyTorgo]

that's much less incriminatory then i expected given the traditional definition of role...i must ponder. for now

UNVOTE AUTUMN

[path12]

Geez. What was I, chopped liver? I didn't get a message.

[The Jackal]

Geez. What was I, chopped liver? I didn't get a message.

Seriously, I'm getting lonely and paranoid over here.

[Autumn]

I have no idea how many votes are on me right now, but let's please avoid an insta-lynch, at least until DT digests the info from me. I'm not a terribly important villager but you would be kicking yourselves in the ass if you managed to lynch two villagers in three hours. Let's save the gangpiles for scanned wolves.

[DaddyTorgo]

nfg & king - is this correct?:

I'm sure that nfg and now king PMed you asking if you had told me to ask them about their roles. Clearly you didn't.

I also didn't state that you did. I told both of them that if they told me their role I could confirm that with you.

[Autumn]

I only get four, guys, sorry, and DT got two of them. I think I can safely say I won't be trying that particular information gathering tactic again lol

[Chief Rum]

Right. Repeat votes from that post.

lol...the terminology still doesn't make any sense to me. What's repeated?

I'll assume you mean that these are the guys who voted for known villagers.

I explained both of my votes at the time, but I can regurgitate. I basically admitted on Day One I didn't have time to do more than scan the thread, and I had to go, so it had to be a quick vote. I felt that ntn was targeted for essentially metagame reasons, and I knew PB was on a cross-country trip and that might have been hampering his participation. So I went with a third party candidate, KWhit. My vote was #2 on him at the time, I believe. Almopst immediately after, DT came out and supported that vote and then voted for him himself, which led to a landslide--after I was already out of the thread and gone. I was as surprised as anyone to return and find my vote candidate actually got the lynch, when he was some 5-6 votes behind the leaders at the time.

Today's vote was pure self-preservation. I know I'm not bad, so my lynch is bad. Ergo, vote for the leader (especially since I was leaving again for a while).

[DaddyTorgo]

Chief - did you get a PM from autumn?

[Barkeep49]

As of 1171:

Autumn: PB (1116, 9:31 pm) EF(1124 9:38) ISiddiqui (1127 9:40) nfg (1132 9:42 pm) Danny (1157 9:58 pm)

[kingfc22]

DT, out of curiosity, was the info he wanted just the name of the person or was it full role info?

Autumn, can you verify that you asked Danny the same thing. If not, then this post sticks out as suspicious to me.

nfg & king - did he just want your names, or did he want info about your roles?

My trust level in nfg has dipped a little since it seems as if he is the one that started this whole mess.

[The Jackal]

lol...the terminology still doesn't make any sense to me. What's repeated?

I'll assume you mean that these are the guys who voted for known villagers.


Yes, that's what I mean. I meant the list of people from the post above mine that had replicated the first two days of lynch voting, and the 5 people in those two votes that voted for the known villagers both days. Sorry for confusion.

[Danny]

You have 5 votes right now, so we aren't in an instant kill situation. I guess I could un-vote again, but it's kind of like I am doing the...

You put your Autumn vote in, you put your Autumn vote out, you put your Autumn vote in and you post it all about, you do the vote for Autumn and you send DT a PM, that's what it's all about!

Unvote Autumn

[Autumn]

Autumn, can you verify that you asked Danny the same thing. If not, then this post sticks out as suspicious to me.



My trust level in nfg has dipped a little since it seems as if he is the one that started this whole mess.

I did not PM Danny at all.

[EagleFan]

unvote Autumn

Jack, what are you doing to us?

[DaddyTorgo]

building a CoT

[Danny]

Autumn, can you verify that you asked Danny the same thing. If not, then this post sticks out as suspicious to me.



Huh? Autumn has not sent me a PM. I was asking DT is Autumn requested role or name info as that makes a big difference as I could see a villager wanting to know the names of people (as it would pertain to abilities we already know such as Clap's), but I think a circumstance in which a villager would be requesting full role info is unlikely.

[DaddyTorgo]

EF - did you get a PM from autumn?

[Chief Rum]

Chief - did you get a PM from autumn?

No.

[DaddyTorgo]

Huh? Autumn has not sent me a PM. I was asking DT is Autumn requested role or name info as that makes a big difference as I could see a villager wanting to know the names of people (as it would pertain to abilities we already know such as Clap's), but I think a circumstance in which a villager would be requesting full role info is unlikely.

exactly.

may just be a terminology mixup honestly.

[DaddyTorgo]

thanks Chief.

[Chief Rum]

You have 5 votes right now, so we aren't in an instant kill situation. I guess I could un-vote again, but it's kind of like I am doing the...

You put your Autumn vote in, you put your Autumn vote out, you put your Autumn vote in and you post it all about, you do the vote for Autumn and you send DT a PM, that's what it's all about!

Unvote Autumn

Oh for crying out loud... :D

[EagleFan]

I think we need to go bck and look at day one and two votes and see what we can learn. We haven't been doing too well basing things off PM's.

Right now I am going to step away from this and fire up an IL-2 to shoot down some Nazis. Maybe one of them will talk. ;)

[DaddyTorgo]

I think we need to go bck and look at day one and two votes and see what we can learn. We haven't been doing too well basing things off PM's.

Right now I am going to step away from this and fire up an IL-2 to shoot down some Nazis. Maybe one of them will talk. ;)

did you get a PM from autumn?

[EagleFan]

EF - did you get a PM from autumn?

Nope

[DaddyTorgo]

lol okay

[Autumn]

I had wanted to go through the vote history but I think I've spent too much time in the thread already this evening. I'll be here doing some work though.

[DaddyTorgo]

you're ok in my book autumn

[kingfc22]

Huh? Autumn has not sent me a PM. I was asking DT is Autumn requested role or name info as that makes a big difference as I could see a villager wanting to know the names of people (as it would pertain to abilities we already know such as Clap's), but I think a circumstance in which a villager would be requesting full role info is unlikely.

I find it too much of a coincidence that you would know the actual request asked (which was PM back your name and that is all) without receiving it from Autumn. That is why I asked Autumn to confirm or deny if a PM was sent to you.

When I sent a PM to DT, I did not divulge what was asked of me.

DT - what type of wording did nfg use when alerting you of his PM from Autumn.

[Danny]

I find it too much of a coincidence that you would know the actual request asked (which was PM back your name and that is all) without receiving it from Autumn. That is why I asked Autumn to confirm or deny if a PM was sent to you.



I didn't know the request asked, that's why I asked DT. It was an important piece of information that needed clarifying

[Thomkal]

well that was an interesting couple hours of posts to catch up on. I hope whatever the heck happened through all that was a help to you DT. I'm off to bed now.

[nfg22]

I told DT what was asked of me and that Autumn came representing him. The words used were "I have the ability to confirm roles. If you send me your role I can confirm it and send that information to DT. I am doing this so we can help DT build a circle of trust. It was not exactly said that DT authorized this but it was heavily implied...

[nfg22]

Quotes are circle of trust....

[nfg22]

after rather....
Non-editing sucks....

[Poli]

Beep, beep, beep...

[DaddyTorgo]

you're ok in my book autumn

[DaddyTorgo]

well that was an interesting couple hours of posts to catch up on. I hope whatever the heck happened through all that was a help to you DT. I'm off to bed now.

big help to all of us actually.

[nfg22]

I did not make a big deal out of it...I just asked DT and he thought that it was suspicious cause he was not made aware of it. I also think it is suspicous because Autumn threw a quick vote on me....For the record I still think it was out of hand and could be a quick way for the wolves to prioritze kills.

Think about this..Im not saying it is true but just think about it. Autumn is a wolf. Autumn sends out asking to confirm roles. Autumn obviously knows who villagers are,so every villager wants to build a COT. Thus Autumn knows all villagers will give an honest reply. So Autumn confirms most villagers and a few wolves...making them into the COT with a fair amount of villagers. This way Autumn and more wolves join COT...they have a list of the best roles to kill....they kill a few....we lynch a few more because they arent in the COT....and bam...game is very close to over...

I know its a long shot but that is how i think...

[DaddyTorgo]

@11:57 PM

1) you are okay
2) i am ok with autumn. if autumn is a wolf then i know of multiple other wolves right now.
3) i trust you

[Danny]

You guys sure PM a lot, I've sent a grand total of 1 and received a grand total of 1.

[Autumn]

@11:57 PM

1) you are okay
2) i am ok with autumn. if autumn is a wolf then i know of multiple other wolves right now.
3) i trust you

Wow, I didn't get any positive affirmations in my messages from DT. *sniff*

But I'm okay, you're okay Jack.

[Autumn]

You guys sure PM a lot, I've sent a grand total of 1 and received a grand total of 1.

Trust me, PMing's not as great as it's cracked up to be.

[hoopsguy]

Trust me, PMing's not as great as it's cracked up to be.


You know, BK and I try to give a new ability to players in order to make things more interesting and this is the thanks we get? Sheesh :rant: :p

[Danny]

I think it's useful for one of us (DT), but not sure how much for others to this point. It does have potential to be valuable as more people are trusted.

[DaddyTorgo]

@12:18

1. All of the above
2. pepperoni, or sausage + buffalo moz + basil (if i'm at a classy place)
3. nope!
4. tons

the last thing you said: *nods*

Also - you're good in my book

[DaddyTorgo]

believe me - it'll be useful to all of us

[Chief Rum]

@12:18

1. All of the above
2. pepperoni, or sausage + buffalo moz + basil (if i'm at a classy place)
3. nope!
4. tons

the last thing you said: *nods*

Also - you're good in my book

Is this a PM response? I figure there's an aim to what you're doing here, but since I'm not in on the PM party, I don't really know what to make of posts like these. ;)

[DaddyTorgo]

yes - it's a PM response. i've started giving them by the time they were sent to me, so that way the wolves can't draw any conclusions based on who i'm sending the answer to

[Chief Rum]

yes - it's a PM response. i've started giving them by the time they were sent to me, so that way the wolves can't draw any conclusions based on who i'm sending the answer to

Makes sense. Thanks, DT!

[nfg22]

....no leads...day 3. We need something people...I hope with your contacts DT that we get someone soon.

[nfg22]

DT....question in thread...feel free not to answer...do you have any COT...? I mean you have brainD and hopefully some more with seer scans/role reveals of the singlar nature...are you close to pinning anyone down? Im just lost at what to do...currently my vote is on Autumn but if you trust then so do I. You must have a good reason. Thanks for relaying everything so far

[DaddyTorgo]

@1:02am - fairly certain. if that person is bad they have tied multiple others to them as being bad, which would be very poor play. person has also demonstrated power to me successfully.

[DaddyTorgo]

re: pm that i SENT at 1:02am - clarification needed. 4th paragraph (one sentence, starts with "you mentioned") - please answer in-thread "Yes" or "No" (since i know you don't have PM's for a few hours).

Note: this is NOT the PM that i mentioned in #1221 (that one was received at 1:02)

[EagleFan]

yes

[DaddyTorgo]

lol

[DaddyTorgo]

now what if somebody else posts no to also try to cover for the person?

[DaddyTorgo]

mass confusion!!!

[The Jackal]

I'm just gonna let you roll with this and trust some good is coming of it. :)

[Chief Rum]

I'm just gonna let you roll with this and trust some good is coming of it. :)

Kinda feels like important crap's going on, but only one guy knows what's up. It's exciting and annoying at the same time. ;)

[DaddyTorgo]

Kinda feels like important crap's going on, but only one guy knows what's up. It's exciting and annoying at the same time. ;)

i agree.

[DaddyTorgo]

@1:27 - it's something to be considered for sure. soon perhaps hmm?

[DaddyTorgo]

@1:27 again - might want to check with me first

[Autumn]

Working late 'cause I'll be out tomorrow morning. So, I'll probably check in around noon or so, whenever I manage to get back to work.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmm - sleepytime

[Schmidty]

I'm confused and annoyed by my computer. I might have to steal my wife's, even though it's mine too.

[Poli]

Beep, beep, beep...

[saldana]

sorry i missed all the action last night.

fwiw, i am really apprehensive about having everything go through DT as far as information/cot goes.....if the conspirators can manage to kill him, we are back in the dark ages as far as this game goes

we also have to take into account that, at this point, they know our strategy of building around Jack, so we have to assume that there are 4 or 5 people out there that are currently doing as much as they can to confuse him or deceive him...i personally think it is much easier to deceive 1 person than 20, so if wolves are PMing him, he doesnt have the benefit of the rest of the village to help see through it.

this just feels like a recipe for a disaster.

[hoopsguy]

So far the manhunt for the Conspiracy has turned up few leads, but several dead government agents. The body count is up once again as you discover that Alan T has been murdered. The press reports will say that former president Charles Logan died in his sleep, but you are quite certain that the autopsy will show a different result. The country is in mourning today over the passing of this man.

Internally, Department of Homeland Security section leader Hoopsguy has issued a call for redoubled efforts in the effort to track down the members of the Conspiracy. Some government officials have expressed grave concerns about the lack of results up to this point. It is unclear how long this state of affairs will be tolerated by the administration.

You are Charles Logan, a perpetually uncertain politician. During Night 0 you will name two players as advisers. If you vote the same way as either or both of those people or as James Heller an extra vote is added to the tally. If both those advisers die you will become indecisive and cannot vote for 24 hours. For the following 72 hours after that time you will only be able to vote for people you'd voted for previously and cannot be the first person to vote for a person. You may not reveal these restrictions on you until after the time has passed.

[Autumn]

Ugh, not that we could expect a better result with two different bodyguards dead already, but I hoped for something good when I checked in.

This was my sneak peek. I'll be out for a few hours.

[DaddyTorgo]

FWIW - I was one of the people that Alan chose as an advisor.

[DaddyTorgo]

sorry i missed all the action last night.

fwiw, i am really apprehensive about having everything go through DT as far as information/cot goes.....if the conspirators can manage to kill him, we are back in the dark ages as far as this game goes

we also have to take into account that, at this point, they know our strategy of building around Jack, so we have to assume that there are 4 or 5 people out there that are currently doing as much as they can to confuse him or deceive him...i personally think it is much easier to deceive 1 person than 20, so if wolves are PMing him, he doesnt have the benefit of the rest of the village to help see through it.

this just feels like a recipe for a disaster.

plenty will be made clear soon. as hoops said to me yesterday "the whole interesting thing about this game is what and how much you choose to reveal to people and when."

and i'm mindful of that. I don't want to give the wolves too narrow a target list too early by putting out a trust/untrust list with too few people on the trust side, cuz that just lets them narrow it down too fast.

i will say this - i have been dispensing bits and pieces of the puzzle to people as we go, so that others should have the info.

[DaddyTorgo]

sorry i missed all the action last night.

fwiw, i am really apprehensive about having everything go through DT as far as information/cot goes.....if the conspirators can manage to kill him, we are back in the dark ages as far as this game goes

we also have to take into account that, at this point, they know our strategy of building around Jack, so we have to assume that there are 4 or 5 people out there that are currently doing as much as they can to confuse him or deceive him...i personally think it is much easier to deceive 1 person than 20, so if wolves are PMing him, he doesnt have the benefit of the rest of the village to help see through it.

this just feels like a recipe for a disaster.

interesting that you're pushing for me to reveal info when nobody (including me) has heard much of anything from you at all the whole game.

[DaddyTorgo]

Hi Chiefy

[DaddyTorgo]

Hi Thom

[Chief Rum]

Hi Chiefy

Hi DT! Catching up while I can before the boss is right around the corner, ya know? ;)

I will shortly be disappearing for several hours, as usual (ugh).

[DaddyTorgo]

yep i hear ya. although my boss is out today and unless i get swamped i'm going to cut out and go off and catch a Cape League game this afternoon.

[DaddyTorgo]

*waves to Brian* Sorry dude - once you're better you can have Kim.

[DaddyTorgo]

quiet so far this morning - shit when did it become 9:30?

[ISiddiqui]

fwiw, i am really apprehensive about having everything go through DT as far as information/cot goes.....if the conspirators can manage to kill him, we are back in the dark ages as far as this game goes

we also have to take into account that, at this point, they know our strategy of building around Jack, so we have to assume that there are 4 or 5 people out there that are currently doing as much as they can to confuse him or deceive him...i personally think it is much easier to deceive 1 person than 20, so if wolves are PMing him, he doesnt have the benefit of the rest of the village to help see through it.

this just feels like a recipe for a disaster.

OTOH, we know we can trust Jack. He's a verified good guy. And since he's Jack Bauer, he probably has powers to block being killed. From DT's posts, it seems that he's building a CoT, so he'll have other villagers he can PM to help see through any wolf tricks.

[DaddyTorgo]

OTOH, we know we can trust Jack. He's a verified good guy. And since he's Jack Bauer, he probably has powers to block being killed. From DT's posts, it seems that he's building a CoT, so he'll have other villagers he can PM to help see through any wolf tricks.

:eek: isn't this like your first game of WW? i wouldn't expect such a common-sense post.

[Thomkal]

Hi Thom

Hello there Jack! Nothing new to report on my end I'm afraid.

well losing Alan is a big blow for us. :( What should we be looking at today then? People who voted for both lynch victims? Or perhaps PurdueBrad who's been on the block twice now and survived?

[ISiddiqui]

LOL!

Well I did just have some coffee... that explains the common sense ;)

[DaddyTorgo]

Well I'm considering doing a bit of a data-dump. I just don't want to give too much away and narrow down the wolves hunting-list too much.

Even when I do reveal things I want to be mindful to do what I can to keep certain people hidden, especially in the absence of our BG (RIP Tyrith).

[Thomkal]

LOL!

Well I did just have some coffee... that explains the common sense ;)

I thought perhaps you had stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. :)

[Thomkal]

Well I'm considering doing a bit of a data-dump. I just don't want to give too much away and narrow down the wolves hunting-list too much.

Even when I do reveal things I want to be mindful to do what I can to keep certain people hidden, especially in the absence of our BG (RIP Tyrith).

You're doing a good job keeping the balance DT, just keep giving us stuff to work from.