Werewolf XCVIII - 24 Day Game Over - Post 2899 [Archive] - Page 7

Barkeep49

07-09-2009, 05:23 PM

Me, a GM and a clock: My Life in Werewolf by path

ISiddiqui

07-09-2009, 05:25 PM

Yeah, as in playing what you think is a good game to help the village and getting crucified for it, hopefully by wolves, but often times it's usually just misguided villagers trying to grasp at something to give them justification for a vote.

I always assumed that was part of the risk for this game.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 05:26 PM

Ok, here's the problem. CR seems like a very viable candidate to me, but he probably won't be around to defend himself before the lynch would happen, right? So, I'm hesitant.

NTN, NFG both seem like reasonable choices in lieu of a CR vote, but what do other people think?

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 05:28 PM

I noticed Telle was near the bottom if not at the bottom of posts. I know she doesn't always post a lot but I think I can recall another game where she was very quiet and turned up bad. So I have no problem with that probing vote path made.

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 05:49 PM

Ok, here's the problem. CR seems like a very viable candidate to me, but he probably won't be around to defend himself before the lynch would happen, right? So, I'm hesitant.

NTN, NFG both seem like reasonable choices in lieu of a CR vote, but what do other people think?

I know a lot of people will disagree with me about it, but I try not to concern myself with everyone else's schedule and just play it as if everyone was here all the time. That way I don't have to get all bent out of shape if someone lies about their real-life schedule. I know everyone claims doing that is so horrible they would never do it, but I figure if I put myself in a position where it just doesn't matter to me, it's not even an issue.

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 05:50 PM

Anyway, does anyone have an updated vote count?

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 05:50 PM

Alright well just to encourage some more activity perhaps:

vote CR

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 05:50 PM

Anyway, does anyone have an updated vote count?

+1

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 05:52 PM

+1

Nah, it's gotta be more than that.

Barkeep49

07-09-2009, 05:54 PM

As of 1511

Autumn: nfg (1132 9:42 pm)
Telle: path (1502, 4:49 pm)
nfg: PB (1417, 2:33 PM) King (1418, 2:34 PM)
Jackal: Thomakl (1411, 2:24 PM) Pass (1425 2:57 pm) iSidiqui (1465 3:52 pm)
Danny: Autumn (1450, 3:21 PM)
Chief Rum: Telle (1428 2:58 pm) Jackal (1511 5:50 pm)

saldana

07-09-2009, 06:28 PM

i was actually willing to vote jackal again today until he defended me earlier in the day...he could easily have seized upon the accusations that DT was inferring and tried to get a push going on me...to not do that was extremely unwolflike.

telle on the other hand made a move that jumped off the page at me, so i am completely comfortable with this...also, i was a wolf with her in the fake role reveal game, and she is possibly the best person at hiding UTR that i have ever seen.

vote telle

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 06:31 PM

How many people have not voted yet?

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 06:32 PM

8 by my count.

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 06:34 PM

Danny, Schmidty, Chief Rum, BrianD, ntndeacon, saldana, henry296, EagleFan

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 06:34 PM

Well, sal just voted.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 06:37 PM

Well, ISidd said he wasn't going to be back, and I'm not sure about Thomkal. You're set on voting for me, Pass?

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 06:38 PM

Well, sal just voted.

Whoops. I was just going off BK's vote count and comparing it to the first page (which still has Alan T listed as alive, btw).

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 06:39 PM

Well, ISidd said he wasn't going to be back, and I'm not sure about Thomkal. You're set on voting for me, Pass?

No. When I voted NFG had 5, and you had 1. As I said then, DT's comments were enough to make me want to keep it close, but not be all gung-ho for lynching you or anything.

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 06:40 PM

So it's Danny, Schmidty, Chief Rum, ntndeacon, and henry296, and I dunno if we are to expect votes from BrianD and EagleFan or what.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 06:41 PM

No. When I voted NFG had 5, and you had 1. As I said then, DT's comments were enough to make me want to keep it close, but not be all gung-ho for lynching you or anything.

Well, there's a bunch of candidates now, even if you are disregarding NFG because of DT, do you think I'm the best choice out of all those people?

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 06:43 PM

Well, there's a bunch of candidates now, even if you are disregarding NFG because of DT, do you think I'm the best choice out of all those people?

I honestly have no idea. But I'm definitely willing to see what happens as I check in throughout the evening.

Alan T

07-09-2009, 06:43 PM

Whoops. I was just going off BK's vote count and comparing it to the first page (which still has Alan T listed as alive, btw).

I'm feeling much better. I think I'll go for a walk.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 06:44 PM

As the night goes on I may have to move off CR simply for self-defense sake, but it really depends on if people show up and vote.

Barkeep49

07-09-2009, 06:46 PM

I'm feeling much better. I think I'll go for a walk.
You were already dead when he made that remark. The list was correct. We can't help it if he can't read. Anyhow your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberry.

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 06:49 PM

Whoops, I must not have refreshed my Page 1 tab at home since early this morning. Sorry Alan!

Schmidty

07-09-2009, 06:55 PM

Wow. Lots to catch up up!!!!!!!!!

ntndeacon

07-09-2009, 06:56 PM

Ntndeacon has gone under the radar lately, hasn't he? Kind of weird. Schmidty is also strangely quiet.

or just unavailable for large periods of time.

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 06:57 PM

FYI guys, we just hit the 23:00 mark at 6:54 Central.

ntndeacon

07-09-2009, 07:00 PM

How is your voting record good? You have early votes to establish candidates. You're right that if NTN is a wolf, you're voting record is good, but otherwise it's not. Wolves like to hide behind votes for villagers that are not lynched. There are a number of voting records which are not good and quite honestly much of what I am going off of is due to DT's trust of NTN. Maybe that is a mistake, I don't know.

I think probably the more telling bit of info about me was the double run on me in day one. I find it hard to believe that hapens for a wolf.

Barkeep49

07-09-2009, 07:01 PM

FYI guys, we just hit the 23:00 mark at 6:54 Central.
That is not correct. The clock restarts when the lynch results are posted which was 8:04 yesterday.

Schmidty

07-09-2009, 07:01 PM

I'll really not getting thing as far as anywhere to start.

Chief Rum

07-09-2009, 07:02 PM

Okay, this is tough, because my gut says nfg is the most likely candidate from Danny's list to be a wolf. That's purely on gut, though, and what DT had to say carries weight.

The problem for me is that once again I am a candidate, and I am not sure I have much of a choice in where to put my vote. I would probably stick with nfg with no other considerations, but I think I will have to go with The Jackal out of self-defense.

I don't have a big problem voting The Jackal, though either-- he's right behind nfg, along with some of the others Danny pointed out with his excellent analysis.

I have to believe by now I will have been scanned, and that person told DT. I hope I will be cleared soon.

VOTE THE JACKAL

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 07:03 PM

Well, that pretty much ties my hands, unless more people will realize that based on voting records CR is a much better candidate than me.. really, most of the people up there are better candidates than me.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 07:06 PM

I'm tired of Danny's "excellent analysis" being used as an argument against me. We've already established my votes are still unknown, and "possibly" suspicious, but certainly not as suspicious as others - and Danny admitted he voted for me because of he felt about my response to him.

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 07:08 PM

So right now, with multiple votes, it is Jackal, Telle, CR, and nfg. I am considering moving, going back through to see where I should move if I do.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 07:08 PM

See, this is what happens, Danny. I talk about some candidates and no one does anything. And people wonder why I'm frustrated.

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 07:08 PM

Jackal, if you weren't limited by self-defense and not affected by who has voted for you, who would you have voted for today?

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 07:08 PM

FYI guys, we just hit the 23:00 mark at 7:04 Central.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 07:08 PM

I don't think I'm even going to use my power. Have fun screwing yourselves over.

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 07:09 PM

See, this is what happens, Danny. I talk about some candidates and no one does anything. And people wonder why I'm frustrated.

NM, I'll look back, maybe I missed the very answer to my question.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 07:09 PM

Jackal, if you weren't limited by self-defense and not affected by who has voted for you, who would you have voted for today?

I'm already voting for CR..

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 07:10 PM

I think that telle, NFG, and NTN are good choices as well.

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 07:11 PM

Well, I'll try to make this a bit more interesting and hopefully generate some movement.

unvote nfg

vote Chief Rum

ntndeacon

07-09-2009, 07:11 PM

I actually have been a little concerned about several of the under the radar folks as well. (yes I know pot calling the kettle here) But I do want some pressure brought to bear with that group as a whole. I have certainly wondered about her loyalty. Therefore...
Vote Telle

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 07:13 PM

Glad you did that ntn, I was split on which person to go to. I wouldn't mind seeing this kept close so we have some analysis of votes/unvotes to go from.

ntndeacon

07-09-2009, 07:15 PM

yea but the bad thing is we need what 7 or 8 to get a lynch?

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 07:16 PM

Well, at 24:00 that number goes down (and right now it's 8, I think).

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 07:16 PM

Doesn't that number drop over the next hour or so?

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 07:17 PM

In order, I'm torn between Telle-CR (and probably prefer Telle but the last two games I've played with her she's been a wolf and that is probably coloring that some) and then Jackal, so he's the #3 choice for me right now.

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 07:18 PM

Hit enter too soon, continued from above: So my vote is on CR due to the odd KWhit vote and that I think past games are coloring my view of Telle's play.

ntndeacon

07-09-2009, 07:21 PM

I was actually struggling between the two of them as well. I think part of the problem we have so many potential wolves those that are suspicious split us contrary to the common view held by the wolves...(I am assuming they can talk normally)

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 07:22 PM

In order, I'm torn between Telle-CR (and probably prefer Telle but the last two games I've played with her she's been a wolf and that is probably coloring that some) and then Jackal, so he's the #3 choice for me right now.

Just curious, why am I your third choice?

Chief Rum

07-09-2009, 07:24 PM

I think that telle, NFG, and NTN are good choices as well.

Jackal, I also think these are good choices. I'm not sure on you or anything, but if I had my druthers, I would rather go wit hone of them. My vote needs to be on you for self defense, though. I don't have any way of proving to you I am not a member of the Conspriacy (but then that goes for yuo as well).

My voting record is hardly something you can cconclude anything from at this point. My Day One vote was a vote I openly admitted I had nothign for because I lacked the time to read up on the thread that day, and only voted for KWhit to get a third candidate involved. I had no idea DT would also throw his weight behind that vote.

My other two votes are both self-defense.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 07:26 PM

Jackal, I also think these are good choices. I'm not sure on you or anything, but if I had my druthers, I would rather go wit hone of them. My vote needs to be on you for self defense, though. I don't have any way of proving to you I am not a member of the Conspriacy (but then that goes for yuo as well).

My voting record is hardly something you can cconclude anything from at this point. My Day One vote was a vote I openly admitted I had nothign for because I lacked the time to read up on the thread that day, and only voted for KWhit to get a third candidate involved. I had no idea DT would also throw his weight behind that vote.

My other two votes are both self-defense.

I feel like NFG is a good choice, I don't have as good a feeling about him being a wolf that I do on you, but they are just feelings, so if we can be agreed on moving to him (or Telle, who I feel is a better target), I can move off of you for now, maybe give some people the chance to scan one or both of us.

DaddyTorgo

07-09-2009, 07:27 PM

telle is an "ok" choice - she is MT right now, I will say that. jackal is making me more suspicious with the "i'll just give up" thing - that's such a wolfish type of play.

jackal - if you do die I will explain to you in PM.

I have said all along - the NI's are fair game though. that's jackal, ntn, chief rum, eaglefan, thomkal, and a couple others that I am forgetting cuz my list is in the car. hopefully leaving the cape here in a few minutes. intendto vote when I get home.

mapquest bourne ma to wellesley ma if you want to figure how long that will be.

sorry if we lynch a good-guy ni but sometimes you gotta take one for the team

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 07:30 PM

If DT says Telle is okay, I'll make that move. I'm out for a while, hope this helps.

unvote CR
vote Telle

Chief Rum

07-09-2009, 07:30 PM

I feel like NFG is a good choice, I don't have as good a feeling about him being a wolf that I do on you, but they are just feelings, so if we can be agreed on moving to him (or Telle, who I feel is a better target), I can move off of you for now, maybe give some people the chance to scan one or both of us.

Actually I prefer Telle, too. I always get a little buggy about her, I admit, because in just about every game we play together, she comes to the conclusion I am wolf (regardless of the truth) and screams it to high heavens. Every now and then is okay, but every game, it gets a little tiring.

And besides she pings me a lot as a wolf, and that was even before Danny's analysis. Plus, unlike nfg, she doesn't have a hint of support from DT, I don't believe. So I can switch to Telle.

In fact, I will, and I hope you will follow suit. And, yes, hopefully, a scan is coming in the near future (although I would be pretty surprised if I haven't beens canned already).

UNVOTE THE JACKAL
VOTE TELLE

Danny

07-09-2009, 07:30 PM

I'm in class, vote count?

Also, Jackal, this is werewolf, people vote for you, it happens. Your take the ball and go home attitude doesn't help us.

henry296

07-09-2009, 07:31 PM

Any thoughts on Pass guys?

Day 1 he has a throw away vote on a known villager (BrianD)
Day 2 he brings up the idea that Alan's vote counts for double...which turns out to be true after he is killed by the wolves...however DT and path have claimed to be the the advisors so what would make Pass think this?
He also was the one to drop the hammer on clap over PB.

Posting as I go along, but I had the same conclusion as Pass as Alan knew we had an extra vote and basically said I can't tell you why.

Schmidty

07-09-2009, 07:34 PM

I'm surprised that I'm not under more suspiciouv.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 07:34 PM

I'm in class, vote count?

Also, Jackal, this is werewolf, people vote for you, it happens. Your take the ball and go home attitude doesn't help us.

No but it's not hurting anyone. And it makes me feel a little better.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 07:34 PM

unvote CR

vote telle

Danny

07-09-2009, 07:35 PM

And Jackal I dont have the vote count, so don't know if you're right there for lynch votes, buy if you are, why not use your power and prove yourself if you are possibly going down.

Chief Rum

07-09-2009, 07:36 PM

And Jackal I dont have the vote count, so don't know if you're right there for lynch votes, buy if you are, why not use your power and prove yourself if you are possibly going down.

I think Telle's in front now.

Chief Rum

07-09-2009, 07:37 PM

I'm surprised that I'm not under more suspiciouv.

Do you want to be?

Barkeep49

07-09-2009, 07:38 PM

As of 1569

Autumn: nfg (1132 9:42 pm)
Telle: path (1502, 4:49 pm) saldana (1515 6:28 pm) ntn (1548 7:11 pm) CR (1561 7:30 pm) Purdue (1560, 7:30 PM) Jackal (1566 7:34)
nfg: King (1418, 2:34 PM)
Jackal: Thomakl (1411, 2:24 PM) Pass (1425 2:57 pm) iSidiqui (1465 3:52 pm)
Danny: Autumn (1450, 3:21 PM)
Chief Rum: Telle (1428 2:58 pm)

Danny

07-09-2009, 07:40 PM

If Jackal is not a wolf, I find Thomkal's jump onto Jackal as the second candidate quite interesting. Probably too late for that. I am ok with Telle too, but the run on her has me a little worried.

Danny

07-09-2009, 07:41 PM

I thimk my vote will tip it for Telle, any last arguments?

kingfc22

07-09-2009, 07:46 PM

Just caught up...Going to go work on the voting record

ntndeacon

07-09-2009, 07:48 PM

my only thought and yes I am on her, is we are killing a mt before a ni.

Danny

07-09-2009, 07:48 PM

Alright *fingers crossed*

Vote Telle

ntndeacon

07-09-2009, 07:50 PM

probably the right move. we needed to lynch someone.

Danny

07-09-2009, 07:51 PM

Unvote Telle
Vote Chief Rum

Danny

07-09-2009, 07:52 PM

Not sure if that matters, but I got some PM info about this

Chief Rum

07-09-2009, 07:53 PM

That's 7 votes of 19, right? Unless EF and BrianD don't count.

7/19 = 36.8% (FWIW, 8/19 = 42.1%)
7/17 (if EF and Brian don't count) = 41.1%

Danny

07-09-2009, 07:54 PM

I got some PM info and am trusting someone with that vote.

ntndeacon

07-09-2009, 07:55 PM

well 6 now

Danny

07-09-2009, 07:59 PM

I'd like to see some more heat on CR here

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:02 PM

I'm noticing King, Thomkal here in the thread now. If CR is a wolf, I wouldn't be surprised if one or two others are here not doing or saying anything.

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 08:03 PM

Wow, go away for a while and a lot changes. Danny, can you elaborate?

Chief Rum

07-09-2009, 08:03 PM

Okay, so what's the deal. Why the heat on me now?

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:03 PM

Guys, lynch CR, if I am wrong for trusting this person, go ahead and lynch me.

ntndeacon

07-09-2009, 08:04 PM

ok I will bite. I still think Telle should be kept under watchful eyes. But CR is another of whom I have doubts.
Unvote Telle
Vote CR

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:05 PM

Wow, go away for a while and a lot changes. Danny, can you elaborate?

Someone PMed me telling me he was a wolf with absolute certainty. I believe this person is telling me the truth.

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 08:07 PM

Wow, a ton does change.

Danny, do you mean they did this from some ability or role (seer or something)?

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 08:07 PM

And Jackal I dont have the vote count, so don't know if you're right there for lynch votes, buy if you are, why not use your power and prove yourself if you are possibly going down.

It doesn't prove that I'm good, just that I'm telling the truth about my ability.

Thomkal

07-09-2009, 08:07 PM

Funny how this came up Danny just as Telle was getting enough votes to be lynched.

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:08 PM

Wow, a ton does change.

Danny, do you mean they did this from some ability or role (seer or something)?

They did not say exactly, but it is a person I tend to believe.

Chief Rum

07-09-2009, 08:08 PM

Someone PMed me telling me he was a wolf with absolute certainty. I believe this person is telling me the truth.

Okay, so how can I respond to this? Some person who won't come out in public that you're using your judgment on as being truthful, and that's how the basis under which you want to see me lynched?

I am not a wolf. No, I don't have anyway to prove it. But lynching me is a mistake. There are plenty of logical reasons to lynch the other candidates we have put up. If I am going to get lynched, I would like to know why.

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:09 PM

Funny how this came up Danny just as Telle was getting enough votes to be lynched.

And if this is true, we know of another wolf in addition to Telle. I don't think the person who PM'ed is a wolf, but if CR is not, then this person must be. If this is wrong, I will give up the person who PM'ed me.

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:10 PM

In fact, I can probably name us two additional wolves if this person is lying.

kingfc22

07-09-2009, 08:11 PM

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:12 PM

It doesn't prove that I'm good, just that I'm telling the truth about my ability.

We can talk about you later, CR is the topic of discussion now. :p

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:13 PM

Some other CR things, on day two, when PB and CR both had about the same, support for CR died out and PB moved up. Today again, not much support for CR past the initial two or so.

kingfc22

07-09-2009, 08:14 PM

As I was doing this recap, I couldn't help but think that the wolves may be "sacrificing" one of their own in Telle and then using the voting record the next few days as an alibi.

Not sure what to make of the latest info that just came up other than it sounds pretty good.

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:14 PM

Guys, we are not at end game here, this person is unlikely to be lying

Chief Rum

07-09-2009, 08:15 PM

In fact, I can probably name us two additional wolves if this person is lying.

Then I can tell you right now that you know two additional wolves, because he is lying. Of course, this is like talking into dead silence. How can I respond when I do not know the manner in which I am being accused? If you won't share who this person is, Danny, can you at least say why you trust them so much, or if they offered anything other than "he is a wolf"?

kingfc22

07-09-2009, 08:15 PM

henry296

07-09-2009, 08:16 PM

Wow.

Based on my post after Day 1 on the middle votes for Kwhit, led me to Telle today and I felt CR was ok b/c I didn't think his day 1 vote was based. I think Jackal is good and the frustration is real.

I wish someone would confirm Danny's story before I vote. However, given my statements above, I'll pick nfg22 for now but could change with more info as last nights exhcange seems a bit odd.

vote nfg22

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:17 PM

Then I can tell you right now that you know two additional wolves, because he is lying. Of course, this is like talking into dead silence. How can I respond when I do not know the manner in which I am being accused? If you won't share who this person is, Danny, can you at least say why you trust them so much, or if they offered anything other than "he is a wolf"?

Honestly, if this person is lying, it hurts us little. You die, but we catch wolves. If he is lying it is a very bad play.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 08:18 PM

Any chance anyone has been keeping up a count?

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:20 PM

CR has four, funny how little support there is here, but if DT says its based on much less, hordes jumped for voting. That doesn't set off alarm bells?

ntndeacon

07-09-2009, 08:20 PM

we are at 4 on CR I think it is 5 now on Telle and I dont know how many on you Jackal

Barkeep49

07-09-2009, 08:20 PM

As of 1605:

Autumn: nfg (1132 9:42 pm)
Telle: path (1502, 4:49 pm) saldana (1515 6:28 pm) CR (1561 7:30 pm) Purdue (1560, 7:30 PM) Jackal (1566 7:34)
nfg: henry (1603 8:16 pm)
Jackal: Thomakl (1411, 2:24 PM) Pass (1425 2:57 pm) iSidiqui (1465 3:52 pm)
Danny: Autumn (1450, 3:21 PM)
Chief Rum: Telle (1428 2:58 pm) Danny (1577 7:51 pm) ntn (1587 8:04 pm) king (1602 8:15 pm)

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:21 PM

Jackal, your suspicion was on CR earlier, why not voting for him now?

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:22 PM

Seriously, if we are right about CR which is likely we catch a wolf. We are wrong, we get a wolf tomorrow. and quite possibly more. Like I said, I will reveal everything if this turns out to be wrong.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 08:23 PM

CR has four, funny how little support there is here, but if DT says its based on much less, hordes jumped for voting. That doesn't set off alarm bells?

I think I missed it, but were you suggesting we vote for CR and then it'll tell you something about two people?

Chief Rum

07-09-2009, 08:23 PM

Honestly, if this person is lying, it hurts us little. You die, but we catch wolves. If he is lying it is a very bad play.

Except for one thing--would he know that the two others you speak of would be so obvious for his making the play? And if he's a wolf, he knows a lot more about what's going on than you (presumeably not a wolf) know, meaning the wolves might be in a better spot than you think.

I am Kim Bauer. I can stop wolf PMs for a few hours (that's what DT meant about an ability that can't be confirmed). I have nothing else to offer, though, except that this person is wrong, and it supremely sucks that there is pretty much nothing I can say to defend myself, because the accusations against me are hidden away in a PM. This situation is just ripe for manipulation, and right when we are on the verge of lynching another player.

Doesn't that make anyone even a little bit suspicious?

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 08:23 PM

Jackal, your suspicion was on CR earlier, why not voting for him now?

I had agreed with him to switch to Telle because I'm suspicious of them both. Let me go back and read what you just said on the previous page, unless you want to sum it up again real quick.

ntndeacon

07-09-2009, 08:24 PM

I think I missed it, but were you suggesting we vote for CR and then it'll tell you something about two people?

close, but I read his discussion it will tell him about two people if the info is erroneous

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:24 PM

I think I missed it, but were you suggesting we vote for CR and then it'll tell you something about two people?

Someone PM'ed me CR is a wolf. If we lynch CR and he is not a wolf, this person will be revealed. I also know this person is involved with someone else, so I can likely get us two wolves. But I am not giving this person up unless we lynch CR and are wrong obviously. We need to lynch CR here.

Chief Rum

07-09-2009, 08:24 PM

CR has four, funny how little support there is here, but if DT says its based on much less, hordes jumped for voting. That doesn't set off alarm bells?

You're not DT.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 08:25 PM

Someone PM'ed me CR is a wolf. If we lynch CR and he is not a wolf, this person will be revealed. I also know this person is involved with someone else, so I can likely get us two wolves. But I am not giving this person up unless we lynch CR and are wrong obviously. We need to lynch CR here.

Well, I can't argue too much with that. I don't know how much I trust Danny but this seems like a decent shot at some info here.

unvote telle

vote cr

kingfc22

07-09-2009, 08:25 PM

Wow.

Based on my post after Day 1 on the middle votes for Kwhit, led me to Telle today and I felt CR was ok b/c I didn't think his day 1 vote was based. I think Jackal is good and the frustration is real.

I wish someone would confirm Danny's story before I vote. However, given my statements above, I'll pick nfg22 for now but could change with more info as last nights exhcange seems a bit odd.

vote nfg22

Wish you were online earlier to help me with this effort. I still have nfg high on my list, but danny seemingly has a lock on a wolf.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 08:26 PM

Sorry CR - everything that's going on is suspicious to me, but I'm still deciding between you and Telle, and with what Danny has offered.. hard to go a different direction.

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:26 PM

You're not DT.

But the lack of support here when it is clearly the best play. Even if you are a villager, at this point lynching you will have a good end result. And like I said, I feel really good about this person telling the truth

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:28 PM

To the person who PM'ed, No, but like I said, I feel good about this person

henry296

07-09-2009, 08:30 PM

I thought we still had some votes for NFG, but realize everyone moved away from him.

I agree with danny that this is a no lose situation by voting for CR. If we are wrong we'll learn a lot.

unvote nfg22
Vote Chief Rum

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:30 PM

Seriously guys, voting CR is the best vote as we learn an awful lot from the result. And if you guys want to lynch me along with those I trusted I understand

ntndeacon

07-09-2009, 08:31 PM

Unvote CR

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 08:31 PM

Unvote CR

Curious.

Chief Rum

07-09-2009, 08:31 PM

But the lack of support here when it is clearly the best play. Even if you are a villager, at this point lynching you will have a good end result. And like I said, I feel really good about this person telling the truth

But, you see, that's coming wholely from inside you and your convictions. Of course you're confident in your own reads. How, though, can you expect everyone else to just take a mystery PM at face value? And then you have the gall to use your bad read on everyone else as more "evidence" I am a wolf? Nice.

I disagree that lynching me will have a good result, since a villager will be dead.

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:33 PM

But, you see, that's coming wholely from inside you and your convictions. Of course you're confident in your own reads. How, though, can you expect everyone else to just take a mystery PM at face value? And then you have the gall to use your bad read on everyone else as more "evidence" I am a wolf? Nice.

I disagree that lynching me will have a good result, since a villager will be dead.

Because if I am wrong and this person is lying, this person must be a wolf. I can also link another with this person. CR, you're a good enough player right now to know lynching you is the best decision because we will catch a wolf either way.

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 08:33 PM

This is madness.

kingfc22

07-09-2009, 08:33 PM

Curious.

Indeed.

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:33 PM

NTN, why the unvote?

Chief Rum

07-09-2009, 08:35 PM

Because if I am wrong and this person is lying, this person must be a wolf. I can also link another with this person. CR, you're a good enough player right now to know lynching you is the best decision because we will catch a wolf either way.

Sorry, I still think I have something to offer this game, so I'm not ready to throw myself on the pyre of self-sacrifice. I think if this were a public accusation, I would have no problem; I would try to show why this person's conclusion is wrong, but that's the game and I know it.

But tried and executed by an accuser too chickencrap to come out direct and face off with me? Sorry, I don't think anyone in my position would just choose to accept it.

nfg22

07-09-2009, 08:36 PM

I buy CR. I dont buy Telle. I dont want to elaborate much more. That is just how I feel.

UNVOTE AUTUMN
VOTE TELLE

Chief Rum

07-09-2009, 08:36 PM

NTN, why the unvote?

Probably because he isn't interested in being a McCarthyist.

Alan T

07-09-2009, 08:36 PM

This is madness.

THIS IS SPARTA!

ntndeacon

07-09-2009, 08:37 PM

Well it so happens I will be able to verify his story soon. I have sent the order already to do so.

Chief Rum

07-09-2009, 08:38 PM

Obviously I have not been scanned. Okay then, someone scan me. PM your result to DT tomorrow. If he announces I'm a wolf, lynch me. I can abide by that, because I am certain DT knows who the seer is. And we know we can trust DT.

But this kangaroo court lynching? Bull. I deserve better than that.

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:38 PM

And if we are wrong on Telle, what does that tell us? Someone is 100% sure CR is a wolf. If he is not a wolf, this other person must be a wolf as well as likely someone he is linked with.

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:39 PM

ntn, so you will be able to verify if he is telling the truth or not? If so, that is great.

ntndeacon

07-09-2009, 08:39 PM

so I am ok with putting my vote elsewhere too. Because one way or another I will have an answer on CR as soon as my order is processed.
Vote Telle

ntndeacon

07-09-2009, 08:40 PM

I will certainly be able to tell if he is telling the truth or not.

hoopsguy

07-09-2009, 08:40 PM

ntndeacon approaches Chief Rum with a revolver and unloads a pair of rounds into his head, executing him where he stands! Kim Bauer falls to the ground, with a stunned look on her face ... how could this have happened? Where did it all go wrong?

However, those loyal to the Government feel a little differently after learning ....

Welcome to the Conspiracy. As Kim Bauer you are the wolves' seer. Once every 24 hours you may learn what character a player is playing as (though you will not learn any of their abilities).

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 08:41 PM

How long till we get the answer ntn, since the clock is ticking?

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:41 PM

Telle is close to being lynched though, shouldn't we hold off from the lynch?

ntndeacon

07-09-2009, 08:41 PM

So go ahead and unvote CR and vote for whomever else you want.

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:41 PM

Hell yeah!

Chief Rum

07-09-2009, 08:41 PM

And if we are wrong on Telle, what does that tell us? Someone is 100% sure CR is a wolf. If he is not a wolf, this other person must be a wolf as well as likely someone he is linked with.

One person we don't know who you claim to trust says I am a wolf.

But there is a lot of circumstantial evidence to suggest Telle is indeed a wolf, not to mention the very fact that when she was on the verge of the lynch, some mystery PM shows up in your inbox. That doesn't make you stop and think a bit?

Come on, Danny, you know better than to get hooked like this.

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 08:41 PM

Holy Christ, that's not a lie detector test, that was an execution!

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:42 PM

Unvote CR
Vote Thomkal

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 08:42 PM

Does this mean we still have to lynch?

Chief Rum

07-09-2009, 08:42 PM

:P

That's what you get for putting all those disrespectful pictures in this thread, you pervs. ;)

Go Conspiracy!

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 08:42 PM

Wow, nice!

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:43 PM

Thomkal was here and did not move towards CR. He helped establish Jackal as a candidate early today for a NG, Jackal run off. He also defended CR subtety

henry296

07-09-2009, 08:43 PM

Woohoo!!

unvote CR
Vote Telle

Back to my first suspcion of the day.

Barkeep49

07-09-2009, 08:44 PM

No vote for CR is valid at this moment. No need to unvote.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 08:45 PM

Well played, Danny.

Vote Thomkal

Alan T

07-09-2009, 08:45 PM

Hahaha... that was the best way to get an answer ever......

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 08:46 PM

I'm not suggesting a straight run, but it looks poor for Thom.

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:46 PM

Guys, I feel pretty good about Thomkal being a wolf now. Telle had two early votes on CR, would be wolf-wolf, but I dont think so as that is a lot of danger to put the wolf seer in potentially.

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 08:46 PM

I'm going to look awful as it is by switching from CR to Telle so I'll roll the dice here I guess:

unvote Telle
vote Thomkal

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 08:47 PM

Guys, I feel pretty good about Thomkal being a wolf now. Telle had two early votes on CR, would be wolf-wolf, but I dont think so as that is a lot of danger to put the wolf seer in potentially.

I was actually feeling pretty good about Telle having dropped an early vote on CR, thinking no one would follow her. I agree with what you're saying about Thomkal as well, though.

ntndeacon

07-09-2009, 08:47 PM

Unvote Telle
Vote Thomkal

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 08:47 PM

I was actually feeling pretty good about Telle having dropped an early vote on CR, thinking no one would follow her. I agree with what you're saying about Thomkal as well, though.

I guess I should say a lot of that is predicated around the fact that she's not here now.

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:48 PM

But do you do that on the wolf seer?

Barkeep49

07-09-2009, 08:48 PM

There was a lynch at post 1653. Write up shortly.

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 08:48 PM

But do you do that on the wolf seer?

I dunno. I haven't exactly processed what a wolf seer is at this point.

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:49 PM

To the PM sent at 8:48 eastern *nods*

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 08:49 PM

There was a lynch at post 1653. Write up shortly.

Finally! Out for a while to watch my neighbor's cat.

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:49 PM

Damn, hopefully Telle is a wolf too. Whatever happens, I think Thomkal is the lynch tomorrow. If someone has a kill ability, might not be a bad idea to use it on him either.

henry296

07-09-2009, 08:51 PM

Sorry, should've thought about that more before quickly jumping on the bandwagon. We'll learn from this vote.

kingfc22

07-09-2009, 08:52 PM

DaddyTorgo

07-09-2009, 08:52 PM

so i'm back

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:52 PM

Yeah it's fine Henry, we still learn some things and we can get THomkal tomorrow.

kingfc22

07-09-2009, 08:53 PM

I suspect a wolf in the group that jumped off telle to thomkal.

nfg22

07-09-2009, 08:54 PM

PM @ 5:06PM...yes. after recent events continue on?

Chief Rum

07-09-2009, 08:54 PM

so i'm back

Too late, Dad! I'm already dead. I'm hanging out with mom now. She says, screw you, too. :)

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:54 PM

I suspect a wolf in the group that jumped off telle to thomkal.

I actually don't think so. Possible, but I don't think based on the players who did so.

Barkeep49

07-09-2009, 08:55 PM

The feeling of success is mitigated somewhat when it is announced that Dr. Lewis Simon has disappeared, only moments before he was to be taken into custody for questioning. Simon, a well regarded infectious disease specialist, is believed to have had ties to the Conspiracy. Whether is he gone because he is dead or working to other ends is something that CTU will have to figure out.

In the meantime it is decided that agent Telle is a fellow mole with the departed Kim Bauer and so her security clearance is revoked. Unfortunately, unlike Kim, this was a loyal government computer expert.

You are Janis Gold, a hotshot computer expert who has a bit of professional rivalry with Chloe O'Brian. Once every 24 hours you may designate a player who you will allocate extra bandwidth to. During that 24 hours they may send twice as many PMs as normal. You may not use this on yourself.

The investigation moved forward today. DHS hopes that progress will continue.

EagleFan

07-09-2009, 08:56 PM

I have been freed from my silence. The person I was investigating has been shot dead, thus ending the investigation.

I'll lay it on the line now.

The first day that I went underground I was given a list. On that list CR was listed as questionable. I presented that to DT and cautioned that by the wording I wasn't sure if it could be trusted (though I didn't know if it was atmosphere or game related). By the wording I wasn't sure if maybe I was the "fake seer" type of role in this game.

My frustration came when DT did not want to act on that and instead got a villager lynched for the second consecutive day. The first day he got the character lynched whom I explicitly asked him to protect (I didn't know who it was but what the role was which I assume he has been told by everyone), making me even more confused about what he is doing.

If he didn't know KWhit's character, that will be different.

I had a chance to either investigate someone from the list today if I went underground and get more and probably definitive information about them, or get "other" information which was not specified (I am guessing another list).

Unfortunately I currently don't know if I have any more powers to use. I originally thought I could only go dark once but later received a PM saying I could do it again with more risk to myself (no in thread mention so I would be going silent with no way to defend myself with posts).

The way this game seems to have unexected events who knows, maybe (hopefully) I will have another chance to do something to contribute.

Danny

07-09-2009, 08:57 PM

Not too surprising, a wolf doesn't place the wolf seer in danger like that.

Vote Thomkal

Wolves might night kill me after this, but I'm putting in my vote now anyway :)

DaddyTorgo

07-09-2009, 08:58 PM

catching up - still 20 minutes behind live-action

Barkeep49

07-09-2009, 08:59 PM

Final vote count:

Telle: path (1502, 4:49 pm) saldana (1515 6:28 pm) Purdue (1560, 7:30 PM) nfg (1632 8:36 pm) ntn (1639 8:39 pm) henry (1653 8:43 pm)
nfg
Jackal: Thomakl (1411, 2:24 PM) Pass (1425 2:57 pm) iSidiqui (1465 3:52 pm)
Danny: Autumn (1450, 3:21 PM)

DaddyTorgo

07-09-2009, 09:00 PM

beautiful job there NTN

well played Danny! Gratifying to see you pickup the ball and run with it in the right direction as i was headed home

Danny

07-09-2009, 09:00 PM

I got my vote for Thomkal in before the lynch, even if it ended up not mattering :)

Danny

07-09-2009, 09:01 PM

beautiful job there NTN

well played Danny! Gratifying to see you pickup the ball and run with it in the right direction as i was headed home

Thanks! I am glad this class is boring too or I probably would not have brought my laptop.

DaddyTorgo

07-09-2009, 09:02 PM

@8:29pm - sorry i wasn't back yet

@ntn - well done!!!

DaddyTorgo

07-09-2009, 09:03 PM

*moving danny and ntn around on my lists*

i'd also like to point out that CR was on my "can't verify ability at all" list, thus somewhat validating that approach.

DaddyTorgo

07-09-2009, 09:03 PM

what's the logic behind going after Thomkal?

not saying I don't agree at all (Thomkal is firmly "NI" and "verifying his ability would be very tricky publicly"), just want to be brought up to speed

Danny

07-09-2009, 09:04 PM

DT, I'll have some more info for you tonight, I think I get my PM back in an hour or so.

kingfc22

07-09-2009, 09:04 PM

Vote nfg

I still think he is bad and with CR down 5-4 he voted Telle to tie it up.

DaddyTorgo

07-09-2009, 09:05 PM

Too late, Dad! I'm already dead. I'm hanging out with mom now. She says, screw you, too. :)

Hahah - that's good. you go hang out with the bitch. :D

Danny

07-09-2009, 09:06 PM

I came out with the info on CR, he subtlety defended him in one post, but for the most part was silent and was clearly not going to vote for CR. I took that clearly as a wolf in the headlights who didn't know how to react. He also was the first vote on Jackal today which I found suspicious (as I pointed out before I even knew about CR, I was going to vote Thom when I got back if there was more time) and I believe Jackal is telling the truth now most likely.

DaddyTorgo

07-09-2009, 09:08 PM

I have been freed from my silence. The person I was investigating has been shot dead, thus ending the investigation.

I'll lay it on the line now.

The first day that I went underground I was given a list. On that list CR was listed as questionable. I presented that to DT and cautioned that by the wording I wasn't sure if it could be trusted (though I didn't know if it was atmosphere or game related). By the wording I wasn't sure if maybe I was the "fake seer" type of role in this game.

My frustration came when DT did not want to act on that and instead got a villager lynched for the second consecutive day. The first day he got the character lynched whom I explicitly asked him to protect (I didn't know who it was but what the role was which I assume he has been told by everyone), making me even more confused about what he is doing.

If he didn't know KWhit's character, that will be different.

I had a chance to either investigate someone from the list today if I went underground and get more and probably definitive information about them, or get "other" information which was not specified (I am guessing another list).

Unfortunately I currently don't know if I have any more powers to use. I originally thought I could only go dark once but later received a PM saying I could do it again with more risk to myself (no in thread mention so I would be going silent with no way to defend myself with posts).

The way this game seems to have unexected events who knows, maybe (hopefully) I will have another chance to do something to contribute.

fyi - i didn't know kwhit's character's name EF. or i would have protected him for you.

and i had other plans for Chief Rum - he was our next seer-scan, and with still having questions about your allegience (still do to be honest) I wanted to get a 100% reading on him. but i didn't want to share that with you in case you were evil and had the power to affect the scan.

Danny

07-09-2009, 09:08 PM

FWIW, I have EF on my fairly high trust list.

Thomkal

07-09-2009, 09:10 PM

Danny I was following up on your theory of voting this afternoon because I agreed with it, and voted for jackal because there were already votes on nfg and didn't want a runaway vote. Many of us have done that during this game. I truly thought you were being played by whomever sent you that PM, and so I didn't move my vote-not to Telle which might have tipped her over to a lynch and thus saved Chief Rum if I really was a wolf. Nor to Chief Rum because I thought you were being played.

I was obviously wrong about you being played, so now it looks like I will be played instead for not believing you when I should have and you'll lose another government worker. Not much I can do about it at this point.

DaddyTorgo

07-09-2009, 09:11 PM

bah - so we lost telle.

she was "MT" or medium-trust because she had been boosting my ability to send PM's everday so I had 8 to send instead of 4. Not on the high-trust list (and i did state multiple times that she was MT for you guys), but it was one of those things where I thought it was possible a wolf might be using that power to try to gain trust with me and work their way into the CoT.

Sorry to have lost her - sorry about that Telle.

My ability to respond to PM's will now be more limited than it was.

Danny

07-09-2009, 09:11 PM

Right now my distrust is clearly Thomkal 1st and NFG doesn't look great either although DT seems to be pretty sure about him. Still, there is no way I am not voting Thomkal today.

DaddyTorgo

07-09-2009, 09:12 PM

FWIW, I have EF on my fairly high trust list.

based on? care to elaborate via PM?

Danny

07-09-2009, 09:13 PM

Danny I was following up on your theory of voting this afternoon because I agreed with it, and voted for jackal because there were already votes on nfg and didn't want a runaway vote. Many of us have done that during this game. I truly thought you were being played by whomever sent you that PM, and so I didn't move my vote-not to Telle which might have tipped her over to a lynch and thus saved Chief Rum if I really was a wolf. Nor to Chief Rum because I thought you were being played.

I was obviously wrong about you being played, so now it looks like I will be played instead for not believing you when I should have and you'll lose another government worker. Not much I can do about it at this point.

Right now I am on adrenaline from the CR stuff. I will reevaluate things more objectively tonight when I am home, but I definitely read you as a wolf today. I'll see if that holds up tonight

EagleFan

07-09-2009, 09:14 PM

I came out with the info on CR, he subtlety defended him in one post, but for the most part was silent and was clearly not going to vote for CR. I took that clearly as a wolf in the headlights who didn't know how to react. He also was the first vote on Jackal today which I found suspicious (as I pointed out before I even knew about CR, I was going to vote Thom when I got back if there was more time) and I believe Jackal is telling the truth now most likely.

Not a defense of Thom but a question. Has he played WW much? I honestly don't remember playing in a game with him before (I have not played in many games, compared to most WW vets, so this may not really mean anything). I was curious as I have no idea about his play style or "level" of play.

Danny

07-09-2009, 09:14 PM

based on? care to elaborate via PM?

I will elaborate tonight in my PM. He is not the highest on my list, but I feel pretty good about him.

Poli

07-09-2009, 09:14 PM

The clock

Beep, beep, beep, beep...

Danny

07-09-2009, 09:17 PM

Not a defense of Thom but a question. Has he played WW much? I honestly don't remember playing in a game with him before (I have not played in many games, compared to most WW vets, so this may not really mean anything). I was curious as I have no idea about his play style or "level" of play.

Last game, he seemed to be pretty on top of things. I was very impressed with his play

Danny

07-09-2009, 09:18 PM

Today was a great day, we caught a wolf and I think we learned a lot from the pressure placed upon other players. My vote analysis will come tonight when I get home.

Thomkal

07-09-2009, 09:22 PM

Right now I am on adrenaline from the CR stuff. I will reevaluate things more objectively tonight when I am home, but I definitely read you as a wolf today. I'll see if that holds up tonight

I appreciate that you will give me that chance Danny. Great job on the Chief Rum front though, just couldn't believe it so that's why I had the "deer in the headlights" cause I didn't know which way to go and was hoping for more info.

Thomkal

07-09-2009, 09:24 PM

Last game, he seemed to be pretty on top of things. I was very impressed with his play

Thanks :)

hoopsguy

07-09-2009, 09:25 PM

It appears that some of the higher-ups do not approve of the way that NFG22 has been conducting himself since the start of the investigation. He has been brought in for disciplinary action.

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 09:25 PM

kinky

DaddyTorgo

07-09-2009, 09:27 PM

that sounds wolfy

Thomkal

07-09-2009, 09:31 PM

uhoh that can't be good.

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 09:31 PM

Today is the first vote that I've made that I consider 'bad' so feel free to scrutinize. I made a huge blunder in moving from CR to Telle. I did it due to something DT said (something about CR being okay, although it was in regards to the Jackal-CR showdown but I wasn't ready to lynch Jackal) but I guess I should've followed Danny with his 'evidence.' I assume this makes me a candidate for tomorrow but you at least have my reasoning.

henry296

07-09-2009, 09:35 PM

It is time to reveal.

I am Renee Walker an FBI agent. My power gives me the ability to learn about the voters the first time I vote to lynch a villager. In addition if I cast the last vote that causes the deadline to learn the name of a someone who voted with me. The information that I'm given is how many members of the conspiracy voted with me. In this case there were no members of the conspiracy who voted with me.

Here was the vote totals from the death of Telle.

Telle: path (1502, 4:49 pm) saldana (1515 6:28 pm) Purdue (1560, 7:30 PM) nfg (1632 8:36 pm) ntn (1639 8:39 pm) henry (1653 8:43 pm)
nfg
Jackal: Thomakl (1411, 2:24 PM) Pass (1425 2:57 pm) iSidiqui (1465 3:52 pm)
Danny: Autumn (1450, 3:21 PM)

Therefore, I'm convinced Thomkal, Pass, Isidiqui and Autumn are our conspirators.

VOTE Thomkal

DaddyTorgo

07-09-2009, 09:36 PM

are we down to 16 players now? or 17?

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 09:37 PM

I guess I'll follow along

vote Thomkal

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 09:39 PM

Looks like 16 DT, but two are out of commission (nfg, BrianD).

EagleFan

07-09-2009, 09:42 PM

It is time to reveal.

I am Renee Walker an FBI agent. My power gives me the ability to learn about the voters the first time I vote to lynch a villager. In addition if I cast the last vote that causes the deadline to learn the name of a someone who voted with me. The information that I'm given is how many members of the conspiracy voted with me. In this case there were no members of the conspiracy who voted with me.

Here was the vote totals from the death of Telle.

Telle: path (1502, 4:49 pm) saldana (1515 6:28 pm) Purdue (1560, 7:30 PM) nfg (1632 8:36 pm) ntn (1639 8:39 pm) henry (1653 8:43 pm)
nfg
Jackal: Thomakl (1411, 2:24 PM) Pass (1425 2:57 pm) iSidiqui (1465 3:52 pm)
Danny: Autumn (1450, 3:21 PM)

Therefore, I'm convinced Thomkal, Pass, Isidiqui and Autumn are our conspirators.

VOTE Thomkal

I hope this is true but this sounds like quite an unbalanced power.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 09:42 PM

Henry are you saying that you believe there is no way that path, sal, PB, nfg and ntn are wolves?

kingfc22

07-09-2009, 09:45 PM

Henry are you saying that you believe there is no way that path, sal, PB, nfg and ntn are wolves?

That's what he is saying.

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 09:45 PM

Henry are you saying that you believe there is no way that path, sal, PB, nfg and ntn are wolves?

I believe that is what he is saying and I agree about at least one of those people. ;)

henry296

07-09-2009, 09:45 PM

Actually after looking at this more closely, it looks like DT, EagleFan, BrianD didn't vote, but I think we feel ok about them. Who else didn't vote.

Also, it looks like CR's vote for Telle was still counted unless nfg gets two votes b/c he is listed twice.

EagleFan

07-09-2009, 09:46 PM

I believe that is what he is saying and I agree about at least one of those people. ;)

So you think that nfg is not a wolf? ;)

henry296

07-09-2009, 09:47 PM

Henry are you saying that you believe there is no way that path, sal, PB, nfg and ntn are wolves?

Absolutely... although I can add you to the did not vote list, so I don't know about you.

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 09:47 PM

So you think that nfg is not a wolf? ;)

Hey, I could bring the sig back at anytime...jerkface.

DaddyTorgo

07-09-2009, 09:47 PM

@10:36pm - that's affirmative and also correct re: where they were. i have no doubts about you - have not for some time.

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 09:48 PM

It is time to reveal.

I am Renee Walker an FBI agent. My power gives me the ability to learn about the voters the first time I vote to lynch a villager. In addition if I cast the last vote that causes the deadline to learn the name of a someone who voted with me. The information that I'm given is how many members of the conspiracy voted with me. In this case there were no members of the conspiracy who voted with me.

Here was the vote totals from the death of Telle.

Telle: path (1502, 4:49 pm) saldana (1515 6:28 pm) Purdue (1560, 7:30 PM) nfg (1632 8:36 pm) ntn (1639 8:39 pm) henry (1653 8:43 pm)
nfg
Jackal: Thomakl (1411, 2:24 PM) Pass (1425 2:57 pm) iSidiqui (1465 3:52 pm)
Danny: Autumn (1450, 3:21 PM)

Therefore, I'm convinced Thomkal, Pass, Isidiqui and Autumn are our conspirators.

VOTE Thomkal

There's a lot of people that aren't on your list -- people who didn't vote, and people who voted for Chief Rum.

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 09:49 PM

Actually after looking at this more closely, it looks like DT, EagleFan, BrianD didn't vote, but I think we feel ok about them. Who else didn't vote.

Also, it looks like CR's vote for Telle was still counted unless nfg gets two votes b/c he is listed twice.

I didn't see Schmidty or Danny on your list either -- although I have high trust for Danny, and pretty good trust for Schmidty.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 09:50 PM

Absolutely... although I can add you to the did not vote list, so I don't know about you.

I voted for CR, actually. If it's true that PB and NTN are good, then that throws out that part of my voting record, though.

kingfc22

07-09-2009, 09:50 PM

If we are to believe henry:

These are the remaining suspects
1. Danny - Pretty sure he is good
3. TheJackal
6. Passacaglia
7. Autumn
8. Schmidty
14. ISiddiqui
19. Kingfc22 - I know I'm good
20. Thomkal
24. eaglefan

High trust:
15. DaddyTorgo - CTU Special Agent Jack Bauer
12. BrianD - Recovering from torture
16. ntndeacon

Mid Trust with henry's info:
10. PurdueBrad - clear
13. nfg22 - Disciplinary action - clear
17. Saldana - clear
22. path12 - clear
23. henry296 - clear

Passacaglia

07-09-2009, 09:51 PM

I also don't see king on there.

henry296

07-09-2009, 09:54 PM

Let me try to go through this systematically.

1. Danny - High Trust, turned in CR
3. TheJackal - Potential wolf, no vote
6. Passacaglia - Potential wolf, didn't vote for Telle
7. Autumn - Potential wolf, didn't vote for Telle
8. Schmidty - Potential wolf, didn't vote for Telle
10. PurdueBrad - Good vote for Telle
12. BrianD - Recovering from torture - presumed good based on DT interrogation
13. nfg22 - Disciplinary action - good voted for Telle
14. ISiddiqui - Potential wolf, didn't vote for Telle
15. DaddyTorgo - CTU Special Agent Jack Bauer - GOOD
16. ntndeacon- Good, voted for Telle
17. Saldana - Good, voted for Telle
19. Kingfc22 - Potential wolf, no vote but was voting for CR
20. Thomkal - Potential wolf, didn't vote for Telle
22. path12 - Good, voted for Telle
23. henry296 - GOOD
24. eaglefan - Potential wolf, no vote but his distrust of CR makes him good in my eyes).

We probably should add Jackal and Schmidty to list of potential wolves b/c the others who didn't vote either have good reasons or had originally votes for CR.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 09:55 PM

henry.. I voted for CR.

henry296

07-09-2009, 09:55 PM

Given the close vote, I would be surprised if a wolf was hiding on CR.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 09:56 PM

I was on CR for a while, no one was listening to me, so I switched to Telle with CR, then Danny came out with this info and I switched back.

henry296

07-09-2009, 09:56 PM

henry.. I voted for CR.

Correct, sorry I missed that one.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 09:57 PM

Correct, sorry I missed that one.

It's cool, just wanted to get you aware of it before you posted more analysis.

PurdueBrad

07-09-2009, 09:57 PM

I'm out for the night, weird but good day. Despite my voting record, I'm glad to hear Henry's news.

henry296

07-09-2009, 09:58 PM

If people want to chat with me, I'll be online for about another hour and then not back to after 8 PM tomorrow.

DaddyTorgo

07-09-2009, 10:05 PM

so jackal isn't on your list henry? he can't be a wolf?

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 10:06 PM

so jackal isn't on your list henry? he can't be a wolf?

I'm definitely on his list. Until I said anything he didn't even think I'd voted.

I'm well aware I fall into the "uncleared" category and I'm ready to deal with it.

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 10:07 PM

Feel free to do me a favor and have someone scan/interrogate me, but I feel pretty good about what I've done and said here, and I'd been on CR before he generated much suspicion.

henry296

07-09-2009, 10:07 PM

Jackal could be a wolf, but his vote was on CR and then dropped when CR was killed just prior to the lynch of Telle. Thus the CR votes were not included in the final wrap-up BK posted. THerefore, for I trust Jackal just slightly less than the Telle voters. Same thing with King.

DaddyTorgo

07-09-2009, 10:10 PM

okay - so since this has been pretty blown-open...

kingfc22

07-09-2009, 10:16 PM

Funny. 13 people are waiting in anticipation to see what DT has to say :)

DaddyTorgo

07-09-2009, 10:18 PM

lol - are you all? i was curious if someone was going to say "yeah?" or anything

kingfc22

07-09-2009, 10:18 PM

Unvote nfg

Going to give him the benefit of the doubt with henry's info.

Danny

07-09-2009, 10:19 PM

Wow, great job Henry. I definitely trust his list

kingfc22

07-09-2009, 10:22 PM

Vote Thomkal

Barkeep49

07-09-2009, 10:24 PM

You knew that the Conspiracy wouldn't sit still. And sure enough they have not. In a series of 10 minutes no fewer than 5 area universities report that armed gun men have invaded their science labs. The members of CTU scatter to deal with this newly arisen threat. In the distraction which ensues you don't see Danny disappear. But the Conspiracy did and you find her dead body. This is a big loss as she was a large reason that you were able to communicate in the way that you had.

You are the communications specialist. As long as your role remains secret, players will have the ability to PM between each other during the game, up to a maximum of 4 PMs sent each 24 hours. If you reveal your role, or are correctly identified in the thread, then the PMs drop to 1 PM sent due to the enemy being able to jam communications.

This loss is especially bitter as is it's thought that Janis Gold, had she not lost her security clearance, would have been able to partially replace Chloe.

There is some concern when you attempt to contact Jack responding to UCLA. The concern increases when there are reports of shots fired there. Jack, after a period of great worry, reports that he had been wounded, but he is fine now.

Danny

07-09-2009, 10:24 PM

I think if we combine this with some info from DT, we should have the wolves caught

Barkeep49

07-09-2009, 10:24 PM

With the loss of Chloe O'Brian players may no longer communicate via PM.

Danny

07-09-2009, 10:25 PM

Oh well, good luck village, at least I helped us get one wolf :)

The Jackal

07-09-2009, 10:25 PM

Well, good work with the past lynch Danny, sorry to see you go.

DaddyTorgo

07-09-2009, 10:26 PM

yes - i suspected that was your role danny. fuck that we lost you.

DaddyTorgo

07-09-2009, 10:27 PM

It is time to reveal.

I am Renee Walker an FBI agent. My power gives me the ability to learn about the voters the first time I vote to lynch a villager. In addition if I cast the last vote that causes the deadline to learn the name of a someone who voted with me. The information that I'm given is how many members of the conspiracy voted with me. In this case there were no members of the conspiracy who voted with me.

Here was the vote totals from the death of Telle.

Telle: path (1502, 4:49 pm) saldana (1515 6:28 pm) Purdue (1560, 7:30 PM) nfg (1632 8:36 pm) ntn (1639 8:39 pm) henry (1653 8:43 pm)
nfg
Jackal: Thomakl (1411, 2:24 PM) Pass (1425 2:57 pm) iSidiqui (1465 3:52 pm)
Danny: Autumn (1450, 3:21 PM)

Therefore, I'm convinced Thomkal, Pass, Isidiqui and Autumn are our conspirators.

VOTE Thomkal

FWIW guys - i fully support this analysis by Henry but you also have to factor in EF and Jackal who did not vote. Danny may elaborate on his trust for EF later to me, so we'll see about that.

It also gels with what I was about to post about who the likely conspirators were in my mind based on my trust-list (where there are 6 on my "non-trust" section, and autumn is in "medium trust" but with the note that he could be a wolf demonstrating his power to me because he figures it's relatively harmless.

Bottom line (assuming no cunning, although i think that may end up being faulty - but we cross that bridge when we get to it): our wolves lie in the group of: Thomkal, Jackal, kingfc22, EagleFan (maybe), ISiddiqui, autumn, pass, path, saldana

That is based on MY list. Of that list, I hope to be able to move pass + saldana off of it entirely soon, and i would rank them as LOW chance of being wolves. Path is the next least likely, and then autumn in my mind, based on their roles and what they've demonstrated of their powers.

so the bottom of MY list looks like this:

autumn
path
pass/saldana

The other 5 people are in one big clump at the top.

Henry's list subtracts Path and Saldana from mine if we are to believe his powers (and i have no reason not to, and every reason to believe them, just saying). Of those, I think Path is the more relevant, as I am just waiting for corroboration before moving Saldana off of mine anyways.

I had intended to hold this all back till i either found one more wolf or was able to move pass + saldana off the list, just to make the numbers better. but with henry coming out with it all, it seems like there's no reason i shouldn't corroborate his story.

people that aren't listed there are unacceptable votes at the moment. if they become acceptable at some point in the future i suggest you start with the people who have not been "seer cleared" which are purduebrad, ntn. after that, it's a craphshoot if there's a cunning where they are.

henry296

07-09-2009, 10:28 PM

Well done Danny... Good game.