WW CXLIX SPAWN IV - GAME OVER (Post 3845)

[Danny]

As long as Julio's scan result of you came after conversion, that really clears you both

[JAG]

So if we did something like this for Monday:

DV supervises 6 slaves + Chubby supervises 4 slaves to convert power facility 1 = That's 5/5 cycles needed to convert power facility 1
hoops converts + CF converts + Julio converts wearing engineering tool on water plant = 8/7 cycles needed to convert water plant
GE converts wearing engineering tool = 2/2 cycles needed to convert science lab


If you're not on this list, you should not yet submit an action. We will need to discuss what we should do about Abe's training, Shiggles' scan, and whether or not anyone should even do anything that puts them at risk of getting infected (my inclination is no one else should take an action).

[Danny]

I already submitted an action to continue to be awesome, sorry :(

[Danny]

I posted already, but I must not have paid attention, how does scanning machine work? Can we choose someone to scan?

[hoopsguy]

I already submitted an action to continue to be awesome, sorry :(

Standing order?

[Danny]

If so, I think we scan Shiggles. if he is a spawn, we vote him and move on. But if he is not, we can let him get out of the brig and then use him as a doctor.

[Danny]

Standing order?

Yep lol

[Danny]

And what's up with this tracking site meter?

[Barkeep49]

Time seemed to almost stand still on this planet, but it now seems to be moving again at a normal pace.

Any day actions submitted after this post will be processed.

[CrimsonFox]

Danny, look at day 3. When people started moving off dubb. I want to say it's hard to believe that 3 wolves would make that move on to Danny1 in a row. We know dubb and Zinto did. So that puts Brit a LITTLE clearer. This is circumstantial I know but it is a factor you mention a lot. I would think that one of the starting spawn was already there. (Shiggles or LSG)

[CrimsonFox]

And what's up with this tracking site meter?

whew! I thought I had viruses! glad you got it too. I mean...awwww damn...you have viruses!

[CrimsonFox]

I have submitted my waterplant conversion.

[CrimsonFox]

Time seemed to almost stand still on this planet, but it now seems to be moving again at a normal pace.



See more of the people and the places that surround me now...

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[Barkeep49]

"Shiggles my good doctor please examine Abe," Captain JAG orders.

Simultaneous to this, Crimson heads down to the water plant.

[Danny]

Is Shiggles in the brig?

[JAG]

Is Shiggles in the brig?

He was released when the brig lost power.

[CrimsonFox]

Is Shiggles in the brig?

no. That is why I suspected that the only reason Darth converted the brig's power that night was to let Shiggles go. Especially since it was the only night work he had ever done and he never said he was going to do it. Although Jag had mentioned previously that he was wanting it. We later discussed that this would be bad to do that night.

[Danny]

Oh ok, well it seems like Shiggles is the smart lynch choice if we can't scan him.

[CrimsonFox]

i wonder if julio scanned abe too? that would have worked out really well . that is IF julio got lucky.

[Danny]

Why would that work out?

Also, this game has reached top 10 status and the second biggest spawn game ever

[CrimsonFox]

Why would that work out?

Also, this game has reached top 10 status and the second biggest spawn game ever

Because it would be a doublecheck system on Abe perhaps. Or could prove one or the other wrong, etc. A small chance I know but still a chance of something really good coming out of it.

And it's because you and me are in da game, baby....and Jag, and hoops and autumn even made it somewhat far.

[Danny]

If Shiggles is a spawn then it doesn't really confirm anything.

[Danny]

For my action I am thinking that I promote Julio to officer. He is worthless as seargent at arms since we arent fixing gun bay thing

[CrimsonFox]

are we taking the science bay in case we need the engineer tools for you guys? I suspect there may be damage in space possible.

[JAG]

For my action I am thinking that I promote Julio to officer. He is worthless as seargent at arms since we arent fixing gun bay thing

I don't think you can do that while he's doing conversion work for us, but it's a good idea for tomorrow.

[JAG]

are we taking the science bay in case we need the engineer tools for you guys? I suspect there may be damage in space possible.

Yes, it's on the list to come with us.

[CrimsonFox]

Unfortunately I have little hope that this will all work.

[hoopsguy]

Sending in my order now.

[Chief Rum]

I already submitted an action to continue to be awesome, sorry :(

There isn't a multi-sided die with enough faces to handle the low percentage hit that is required for this to be true. :D

[Barkeep49]

Both Shiggles and Abe walk out of the doctor's office.

[Abe Sargent]

Sounds like a joke

[Danny]

Well if Shiggles is not a spawn then we know Abe is not one also

[Barkeep49]

Chief Engineer Hoops works on the water plant.

[CrimsonFox]

Well if Shiggles is not a spawn then we know Abe is not one also


Ah I see what you mean. Granted I didn't really think Abe was one anyway. A darkhorse spawn candidate.

[JAG]

Alright, so let's recap everyone:

More than likely completely clear of being Spwan:

GE and Chubby: More than likely not Spawn as they claim Absolute Trust and it seemed like Chief was protective of Chubby when he was alive and Chubby was in line to be voted. Only way they could be Spawn is if both of them are.

Julio and hoops: More than likely not Spawn as neither can be starting Spawn and Julio has claimed hoops to have a specific villager role yesterday, one that is not kept when someone becomes a Spawn. Julio was also suspicious of hoops which lends credence to his story of having scanned hoops over a period of three days. Only way there could be a Spawn here is if Julio is the mutated Spawn.


Clear of being starting Spawn (potentially mutated Spawn):

JAG: Demonstrated duplicant role

CrimsonFox: Demonstrated empathic role (both instances have been determined to be true as far as we can tell).


Could only be starting Spawn if they are the Unaware Spawn (could also be mutated Spawn):

Danny: Scanned by saldana as not Spawn. D2 opened the voting on Simbo with the second vote of the day and never moved it, so it seems unlikely he was a starting Spawn anyway.


Could potentially be starting Spawn or mutated Spawn (here I'm including my views on their voting records and other info):

LSG: D2: Early vote for Schmidty, later changed to Simbo to make the vote 6-5-3 Simbo-mau-Schmidty, even later changed the vote to mauboy to make it 8-4-1 mauboy-Simbo-Schmidty. D3: Voted dubb to put dubb up 6-2-2-1 over hoops-Danny-Julio, later unvoted dubb and voted Julio to make the vote 5-3-2-2 dubb-Julio-hoops-Danny, later unvoted Julio and voted Danny to make it 4-3-3-3 dubb-hoops-Danny-Julio. D4: Voted Simbo to make it 3-2-2-1-1 Chubby-Simbo-CrimsonFox-Zinto-Julio.

Assessment and non-voting information: Likely not starting Spawn. You can argue with some of her D2+D3 votes, but to push fellow Spawn Simbo out in front to 6 earlier in the day seems unlikely and then at the end why change a meaningless vote to mauboy when keeping it on Simbo would look better in retrospect? And in general just the jumping around of votes seems unlikely for her to do as Spawn. Her D4 vote and that she brought up the suspicion for Simbo that was discussed the day before when no one else had done so also makes her look like she could only be the mutated Spawn.

Britrock: D2: Voted Schmidty to make the vote 1-1-1 Simbo-mauboy-Schmidty. Later unvoted Schmidty when the vote was 7-4-1 Simbo-mauboy-Schmidty but did not vote again. D3: Voted Danny to make the vote 5-4-3-2 Danny-dubb-Julio-hoops. Note that later on D3 Zinto (confirmed bad) changed his vote to dubb before changing it to Danny. D4: voted Chubby to make the vote 4-4 between Simbo-Chubby.

Assessment and non-voting information: Voting record is not a point in his favor. However he did a good bit of research which does not appear to have been faked which resulted in helpful tools for the village as well as pointing out the medium-level research option as a possibility to help with repairs when I did not realize it would assist with repairs. More based on vibe, I do not suspect him though there is objective evidence to consider. At the moment I consider him not a likely starting Spawn.

Shiggles: No vote D2, D3 votes Danny to make it 2-2-2 dubb-Danny-hoops, D4 votes Zinto to 1-1-1-1 with Chubby-CrimsonFox-Packer/Danny2-Zinto. Later unvoted Zinto and voted Simbo to make it 2-2-1-1 Chubby-CrimsonFox-Simbo-Julio.

Assessment and non-voting information: Vote history is somewhat in his favor, again missing the D2 vote when a Spawn is on the line, D4 voting two different Spawn instead of other plausible options. Other marks in his favor: apparently was locked in the brig when both Spawn kills were made (the conversion of the power facility powering the brig should have happened at the end of the night), has claimed the Spawn Aware role when no one else has nor has it been disputed. I tend to believe he is not a starting Spawn.

DV: No vote D2+D3. D4 votes Simbo to 7-5 over Chubby.

Assessment and non-voting information: It's DV. It's hard to believe as a Spawn he would not put in votes on D2+D3 when there are Spawn and spawnlings in the running. Current assessment is not a likely starting Spawn.

Abe Sargent (could potentially be starting Spawn either if Shiggles is Spawn or if he's the unaware Spawn if Shiggles is good): D2 voted mauboy to make it 4-4-3 Simbo-Schmidty-mauboy, D3 voted dubb to 2 early and did not move the vote, D4 voted Packer/Danny2 to make it 1-1-1-1 hoops-Chubby-CrimsonFox-Packer/Danny2 (note that Simbo had the CrimsonFox vote), later changed his vote to Chubby to make the voting 2-1-1-1 Chubby-hoops-CrimsonFox-Zinto.

Assessment and non-voting information: His voting record, as Danny pointed out, does not look good at all, especially day 4 switching from Packer/Danny2 to bring Chubby to 2 when Zinto and Simbo both had votes. He has not at all seemed engaged in finding likely Spawn, but has been in his trainer role. More subjectively, I've wondered why Abe has not been targeted by the Spawn. They have gone to lengths to prevent us from getting scans by attacking the medical facility, having Zinto take Shiggles + saldana on a mining excursion, and last night by killing saldana + Chief Rum. The one thing they haven't done is try to take away from us the guy who's been training up our doctors. In my opinion, Abe is the likeliest amongst the remaining players to be the starting Spawn.

Vote Abe Sargent

[JAG]

Also Abe has had early votes each day between D2-4 and today on Shiggles as well shortly after he got a vote to put Shiggles at 2-1 over him, similar to his D4 vote putting Chubby up 2-1 over Zinto (and others).

[Danny]

Good analysis Jag. A couple notes though.

Even with Julio telling the truth, Hoops could still potentially be a mutated spawn depending on when exactly Julio got his scan back. Based on our spawn scanner we know the most recent spawn cropped up at the end of Day 5 right after we lynched Zinto. If Julio got his Hoops scan Night 4 or before then Hoops is not clear. If he got it night 5, then Hoops is clear.

Also, technically my Simbo vote Day 2 and Day 3 was Danny1. I did vote Simbo again as Danny2 and then created the argument for voting Zinto.

[Julio Riddols]

Submitted my work order, catching up on things.

[JAG]

Julio stated he scanned Autumn N1+N2 and did hoops the last three nights (N3-N5), so hoops should be clear unless I've somehow mis-stated his case. I believe I correctly stated "your" (that is, PackerFanatic's) vote D2 as being the first one on Simbo. I didn't look up Danny1's vote.

[Danny]

Ah yes Danny 2 and Danny1 voted Simbo lol.

Oh ok, then I definitely believe Julio and Hoops to be clear or as close as we will come without a scan anyway.

[hoopsguy]

Good analysis Jag. A couple notes though.

Even with Julio telling the truth, Hoops could still potentially be a mutated spawn depending on when exactly Julio got his scan back. Based on our spawn scanner we know the most recent spawn cropped up at the end of Day 5 right after we lynched Zinto. If Julio got his Hoops scan Night 4 or before then Hoops is not clear. If he got it night 5, then Hoops is clear.

Also, technically my Simbo vote Day 2 and Day 3 was Danny1. I did vote Simbo again as Danny2 and then created the argument for voting Zinto.

I'm not sure I can be fully clear, given that I'm working evenings and could go the "spawnling by exposure" route. But I'm glad people have agreed that I'm not starting spawn and that the likelihood of me being converted is pretty low based on timing of saldana's scans + julio's psychic info.

[hoopsguy]

Well, does the Shiggles scan of Abe change the thought process on votes here? It does eliminate the Shiggles = survivor, Abe = spawn scenario at the very least ...

[Danny]

But then the spawn detector would say 3. For now you are clear until that detector finds another spawn.

The second post is correct unless Abe is unaware spawn. I'd have a tough time believing there isn't one of those out there actually.

[JAG]

Well, does the Shiggles scan of Abe change the thought process on votes here? It does eliminate the Shiggles = survivor, Abe = spawn scenario at the very least ...

Unless Abe is an Unaware Spawn:

Unaware Spawn During the day, is unaware of being a Spawn (and may not communicate with other Spawn), but will not seem to be a Spawn when tested by other players. At night, assumes normal Spawn powers.

[Shiggles]

Mr abe is untained by any spawn. He is cleared

[Abe Sargent]

unvote Shiggles
Vote DV

I suspect that if Shiggles were spawn, he would have said I was when I wasn;t to get a day of voting off me and then him the next day. Take out the trainer and end any more doctors, that's how I would have played that.

[Shiggles]

Unless Abe is an Unaware Spawn:

ick, like a stealth wolf? would that trigger under spawn aware then? course its like julio's ability, doesnt always hit, better chance when more repeat exposure, but ive been training with abe twice now 1 on 1, so im extra confident he is not a spawn

[Danny]

Why would he do that Abe? If you were spawn and he wasn't, you both would have exploded. He's not going to claim something that is impossible.

[Abe Sargent]

Why would he do that Abe? If you were spawn and he wasn't, you both would have exploded. He's not going to claim something that is impossible.

He could claim I was tainted, like dubb was, that;s what I was referring to.

[Danny]

If he claimed you were spawn just now, he would have my vote already

[Shiggles]

oh, and good morning all! :-)

Vote Darth

In case the previous one didnt still count from yesterday

[Danny]

He could claim I was tainted, like dubb was, that;s what I was referring to.

But that;s also impossible. We know Zinto died and the spawn did not remake the queen, so you couldn't be a spawnling.

[Shiggles]

Mr abe is untained by any spawn. He is cleared

doh, i meant untainted >.<

[Abe Sargent]

But that;s also impossible. We know Zinto died and the spawn did not remake the queen, so you couldn't be a spawnling.

I thought they could make another spawn queen

[Danny]

Any chance someone could show as exhausted from being infected as a spawn?

[hoopsguy]

They have to give up night actions to make the spawn queen ... going from memory here, as I don't have the 2nd "rules" tab open to quote directly.

[Danny]

"If the Spawn Queen dies, the Spawn Council may designate a new Spawn Queen by forgoing all attacks and secret role actions for one night. The new Spawn Queen may not keep any previous role they had."

[Shiggles]

Any chance someone could show as exhausted from being infected as a spawn?

exhausted people from last night are the engineers (of which hoops has been cleared)

and Julio the seargeant at arms

[Danny]

I'm wondering if Shiggles was actually someone who was infected on night 4 making him exhausted for some reason. I'm not sure I see Shiggles as a starting spawn, but he wasn't a bad infection target.

[Abe Sargent]

What about the overlord? Could they have made it on a quiet night?

[Abe Sargent]

Thoughts for training today folkses?

[Danny]

exhausted people from last night are the engineers (of which hoops has been cleared)

and Julio the seargeant at arms

Not last night, based on Dubb's transition time frame and the spawn scanner, it is likely the spawn bit someone Night four and they became a full spawn at the end of day 5. That happens to be the night you can un unexplained exhausted label.

[hoopsguy]

Danny - if there was a spawnling attack (by queen) that would have a high likelihood of showing spawn as exhausted. Again, going from memory on this one ...

Do you see someone that is exhausted that wasn't working last night? Because that would be noteworthy ...

[JAG]

A new queen could not have been made. The only night they have been queenless they killed saldana and Chief Rum.

[Danny]

It would have been night 4 the spawnling attack though. They couldnt have made a spawnling attack last night.

[Danny]

I don't really like the Abe or DV votes. I am deciding between Shiggles and Britrock. I laid out why I thought brit might be a spawn due to his votes a couple nights ago, and Shiggles for obvious reason.

[Shiggles]

wouldnt i have to be exhausted again though? we were all exhausted during the crew conversion/power down thing, then just me was the suspicious one ill admit, but doesnt that also mean i have to be exhausted to have done a night action to transform and stuff? im gonna go look at spawn roles and try to find that stealth spawn CF was throwin out

[Danny]

People sleep a lot better tonight than last night. Part of that is literal: tonight there are beds that they can sleep in. But there is also the bigger sense as you’ve found 2 spawn in 4 days and now have a Spawn detector. Fresh off this success, one of your scientists, britrock, is seen conducting further research.

Hoops & CF, the great Engineering buddy team, work through the night once more, this time on the Power Facilities. Chubby can be seen spending the night by the slave pen, while Chief Rum is seen, and then not seen, and then seen again, around the Crew Quarters.

Your Spawn fighting success is great, but you know that you still will also need to get off this planet before you can truly feel safe.

Locations

Building A:
Warehouse 4 7 cycles required for conversion
40 / 40 units filled
Warehouse 5 7 cycles required for conversion
26 / 40 units filled
Water Supply – 17 units Enough for 1 day at present rate consumption
Crystilium Supply – 49 units (at least 20 required for lift-off)

Slave Pens Fully Operational
Slave Pen 1 2 cycles required for conversion
4 slaves present
Slave Pen 2 2 cycles required for conversion
4 slaves present
Slave Pen 3 2 cycles required for conversion
4 slaves present
Slave Pen 4 2 cycles required for conversion
4 slaves present
Slave Pen 5 2 cycles required for conversion
4 slaves present

Building B:
Power Facilities Fully Operational
Power Facility 1 5 cycles required for conversion
Powering Building B
Power Facility 2 2 cycles required for conversion
Powering Building C
Power Facility 3 5 cycles required for conversion
Powering Building D
Power Facility 4 5 cycles required for conversion
Unused
Power Facility 5 5 cycles required for conversion
Unused

Water Plant Fully Operational 7 cycles required for conversion
Producing enough water for all Survivors each day

Building C:
Security HQ Fully Operational 2 cycles required for conversion

Armory Fully Operational 4 cycles required for conversion
18 phasers accounted for

Brig Fully Operational 4 cycles required for conversion
No crew being held

Building D:

Medical Facilities Fully Operational 4 cycles required for conversion

Scientists’ Lab Fully Operational 2 cycles required for conversion
2 Spawn Detected

Peremiter Fence
Offline

Ship
Warehouse 1 Converted Inaccessible
Warehouse 2 Converted Inaccessible
Warehouse 3 Converted Inaccessible

Officers’ Offices Fully Operational Converted
Crew Quarters Damaged; 9 sleeping berths; 11 cycles to repair Converted



The Crew

Command Staff
Captain - JAG
First Officer - Lonestargirl
Second Officer - Danny
Security Chief - Zinto Exhausted Armed with a 3 shot phaser


Chief Engineer - hoopsguy Exhausted
Engineers
Crimson Exhausted
Darth

Medical Staff
Doctor - saldana
Doctor - Shiggles Exhausted

Security Staff
Slavemaster - Chubby Exhausted
Sargent-at-Arms - Chief Rum Exhausted
Security Crewman - Julio

Scientists
GoldenEagle
britrock Exhausted
Trainer - Abe Sargent
Slaves
20 slaves accounted for

Deceased
mauboy - Lynched Day 2 SURVIVOR
Danny- Lynched Day 3 SURVIVOR
Autumn Killed Night 3 SURVIVOR
dubb Killed Night 3 SPAWN
Simbo Klice Lynched Day 4 SCRYING SPAWN

Day 5 has begun

Both Zinto and SHiggles with exhausted the night a likely spawn attack was made. Shiggles with n oway to explain it.

vote shiggles

[Danny]

"spawnling attack increases the chance that all spawns will become exhausted, especially those spawns who participate in a Spawnling Attack."

[Danny]

I'm sorry Shiggles, but that is a pretty damning piece of evidence there.

[Abe Sargent]

I don't really like the Abe or DV votes. I am deciding between Shiggles and Britrock. I laid out why I thought brit might be a spawn due to his votes a couple nights ago, and Shiggles for obvious reason.

Now that Shiggles has cleared me, I doubt the votes on me will stick. If Shiggy is a villager, then my clearing is good, and if not, then its meaningless. You find out two people by lynching Shiggles if he's a villager, rather than by lynching me. So basic WW math says vote elsewhere. I'd be okay voting him still, but I'd prefer to look elsewhere now.

[Barkeep49]

Julio becomes the first to try out one of the new tools created by the scientists as he goes down to the Water Plant.

[JAG]

Danny, you're arguing Shiggles is starting spawn with that argument. Can you explain how Shiggles performed an attack last night while in the brig? This morning Barkeep said repairs and conversions are done at the end of a cycle.

[Barkeep49]

Chubby takes some slaves down to Power Facility 1, hoping there is an engineer to oversee his work.

[Danny]

Danny, you're arguing Shiggles is starting spawn with that argument. Can you explain how Shiggles performed an attack last night while in the brig? This morning Barkeep said repairs and conversions are done at the end of a cycle.

Hmmm, I didn't realize that. Then I am torn on it. Either there is some unknown mechanic which made shiggles become exhausted as a villager or there is some unknown mechanic that allowed a second wolf attack last night.

[Abe Sargent]

BK, if I forget to pm a Rest Command, at night, doe sit happen automatically?

I can't remember if this was answered earlier or not anymore, sorry.

[JAG]

Thoughts for training today folkses?

I would recommend making yourself security. Once we lift off, we won't really need much different than we already have and we're low on security personnel without anyone else we can spare for that duty.

[Danny]

That gives me enough doubt for now though

unvote shiggles

[Shiggles]

Only thing i see in spawn roles is the mind leech that can appear to not be exhausted, but will only not exhaust if not successful, or i think if the other spawn kill its target. And the unaware spawn, which, lightbulb, if that were the case, couldnt i still scan a spawn, and have us kill eachother? that would be an lol/stick it the the spawn move eh?

Unfortunetly i have no other information about the exhausted night other than what ive stated, i wasnt able to find a bed to sleep in. there was no attacks, i was not wounded, just tired. i figure SOMETHING would have keyed me into being suspicious about that, but i saw no evidence that leads to that route. so unless they are super gentle about how they abduct people or uber clean afterwords, someone would have witnessed something

[Shiggles]

off to lunch and gaming, ill check back periodically through it (cause i think itll be civ 4, and my friend takes really really long turns lol)

[Danny]

shiggles, an unaware spawn will not explode, it will show as clean.

[JAG]

Or Abe, you could hold off today and make Shiggles security tomorrow (assuming he isn't lynched) since a doctor won't be useful without the medical facility, but that would take a couple days to get benefit from it.

[Danny]

I am off as well, need to get smog check. be back after.

[hoopsguy]

BK - would a doctor scan on Unaware Spawn blow up both parties like it would for any other spawn role? Or would he show up like a villager to the doctor, allowing both parties to walk out of the room?

[Chubby]

Jag - do u want to order darth to work with me? Since its realtime he hopefully can't fake it

[Darth Vilus]

You wanna go chubster? :)

[JAG]

Darth, if you haven't already, please PM BK and let him know you would like to supervise 6 slaves for the conversion of power facility 1.

[Barkeep49]

BK, if I forget to pm a Rest Command, at night, doe sit happen automatically?

I can't remember if this was answered earlier or not anymore, sorry.

If someone does not send any PM it is assumed they want to sleep.

[Barkeep49]

BK - would a doctor scan on Unaware Spawn blow up both parties like it would for any other spawn role? Or would he show up like a villager to the doctor, allowing both parties to walk out of the room?

I recommend scanning an Unaware Spawn and finding out :)

[Darth Vilus]

Darth, if you haven't already, please PM BK and let him know you would like to supervise 6 slaves for the conversion of power facility 1.

*mumbles*
Grrrrr, engineer, always under appreciated. Should have went to med school

[Barkeep49]

6 slaves are rounded up by DV to do work down at Power Facility 1.

[JAG]

During the day, is unaware of being a Spawn (and may not communicate with other Spawn), but will not seem to be a Spawn when tested by other players. At night, assumes normal Spawn powers.

The bolded part seems to indicate they will not be identified as Spawn by the doctor, spawn aware players, etc...

[Barkeep49]

"I notice one of the engineering tools is still available. GE use that on the science lab," JAG commands.

[JAG]

Assuming no faked work, we should be finished with conversion work after the day's deadline.

[JAG]

I also don't think anyone else should do other work now. No reason to potentially mutate yourselves for anything other than the vital work being done by folks who have already submitted their actions. If we get a bad roll and someone is mutated, it will be easier to find them in the days to come with fewer potential suspects.

[JAG]

Current vote as best I can tell:

4 Shiggles: CF (3081), Julio (3096), Chubby (3155), DV (3203)
2 DV: Shiggles (3101), Abe Sargent (3296)
1 Abe Sargent: JAG (3285)

[Shiggles]

Ok, i asked for clarification on the night where i was exhausted, and it was said that there were no available beds for use.

Oh and i was wondering if I was an unaware spawn, if i scan someone who is a spawn would i blow up as well? But no worries, because i would know if i was attacked, and i wasnt, i was just trying to find a bed. JAG or Julio could check security footage of that night, i would be in the quarters ^.^

[hoopsguy]

So since we have a few of the involved folks here ...

JAG, does your vote on Abe at this point suggest that you are playing for Abe = starting/unknown spawn? And that you think this is a better play than going after other players who could be starting spawn, unknown or otherwise?

[Chubby]

Ok, i asked for clarification on the night where i was exhausted, and it was said that there were no available beds for use.

Oh and i was wondering if I was an unaware spawn, if i scan someone who is a spawn would i blow up as well? But no worries, because i would know if i was attacked, and i wasnt, i was just trying to find a bed. JAG or Julio could check security footage of that night, i would be in the quarters ^.^

9 beds, 8 people rested.

try again

[JAG]

I'm going with who I think is the most likely Spawn of the remaining players but yeah, I would not vote for someone who could not have possibly been starting Spawn just because it's a smaller pool of players than the mutated Spawn. My vote is based on Abe's poor voting history, other things about his posts (not much effort put into finding Spawn, other than performing his role of trainer not doing as much to help the survivors as others), and my inability to explain why he would not have been a target of the Spawn to this point.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm going with who I think is the most likely Spawn of the remaining players but yeah, I would not vote for someone who could not have possibly been starting Spawn just because it's a smaller pool of players than the mutated Spawn. My vote is based on Abe's poor voting history, other things about his posts (not much effort put into finding Spawn, other than performing his role of trainer not doing as much to help the survivors as others), and my inability to explain why he would not have been a target of the Spawn to this point.

Emphasis my own.

I cna;t answer anything els,e I certianly don' have a good voting record, that's true. But they just took out two doctors last night, so I would assume I would be next on their hit lsit tonight, why take me out when I can;t make a doctor for a day last night? Take out both doctors, and take me and the other trainee tonight. I don;t see how that implicates me. Sure, votes are bad and your move may vary on my contributions, but the last one doesn't seem right since they just started doctor hunting last night.

[Abe Sargent]

Whoops, I italized to emphasize tehquote, but duh, it's all italics

[Danny]

I think Abe is a poor percentage vote right now

[Shiggles]

9 beds, 8 people rested.

try again

because someone claimed in the bed but didnt sleep. not my fault, i didnt have a bed to sleep in. same old argument, different wording. zinto had my bed. only possible explanation because im not a spawn

[Shiggles]

and jag i just scanned him and hes clean, so abe would be a silly vote

[Chubby]

because someone claimed in the bed but didnt sleep. not my fault, i didnt have a bed to sleep in. same old argument, different wording. zinto had my bed. only possible explanation because im not a spawn

and how would someone claim a bed but not use it?

[JAG]

For the sake of discussion and because we haven't heard from him in a while:

Unvote Abe
Vote Britrock

Really the only other person in my mind other than Abe that could be the starting Spawn based on vote record and having convenient excuses for being exhausted at night doing research. DV and LSG do not seem like likely to me, nor does Danny2 based on his D2 vote.

[hoopsguy]

I think Abe is a poor percentage vote right now

Still catching up, but this is where I was headed with my question.

[Danny]

I will go that direction for now as well.

vote britrock

[Shiggles]

cause he was a spawn? did he claim any night orders? how am i supposed to know. All i know is that if i die, you guys lose at least one turn of scanning while abe has to train another doctor, or you guys kill abe, which ive already scanned to be clean, and then probably lose me in the night, so if you guys do liftoff, your stuck with hunches as opposed to scanning.

Who controls unaware spawn at night? the oldest spawn? or do they essentially play two different characters and submit orders at night?

[hoopsguy]

Somewhere we're making some bad assumptions, which are turning what might be an easy vote into a harder one. Or at least that is the way I've felt when thinking about this vote over the past two days.

JAG, can you quote BK's post that says work would be last, or at least after spawn night/kill actions? Because that doesn't sound like the type of thing that BK would normally reveal ... this seems to be a pretty important piece in assessing Shiggles so I want to make sure we've got it right.

If Shiggles wasn't able to make the kill, then I would be more inclined to look at Britrock or other candidates.

[hoopsguy]

So I want to try a little different exercise - what do we think the Spawn were doing each night? Anyone want to help fill in the blanks, correct this timetable?

Night 1 - ???
Night 2 - spawnling attack on Dubb
Night 3 - destroying stuff
Night 4 - ???
Night 5 - two kills

[Shiggles]

I have no info on brit, i worked with him on day 2 where i had a little exposure, but no trigger, and theres been a lot of days between then, so lemme check the exhausted log

[Chubby]

cause he was a spawn? did he claim any night orders? how am i supposed to know. All i know is that if i die, you guys lose at least one turn of scanning while abe has to train another doctor, or you guys kill abe, which ive already scanned to be clean, and then probably lose me in the night, so if you guys do liftoff, your stuck with hunches as opposed to scanning.

Who controls unaware spawn at night? the oldest spawn? or do they essentially play two different characters and submit orders at night?

so he has a spawn ability that allows him to claim a bed but not use it? how are you supposed to know? i want some sort of theory besides "ZINTO DID IT"

i don't see anyone advocating a vote for abe so why is it an either or?

[Abe Sargent]

So I want to try a little different exercise - what do we think the Spawn were doing each night? Anyone want to help fill in the blanks, correct this timetable?

Night 1 - ???
Night 2 - spawnling attack on Dubb
Night 3 - destroying stuff
Night 4 - ???
Night 5 - two kills



Theere ws a night 0 too

[JAG]

Somewhere we're making some bad assumptions, which are turning what might be an easy vote into a harder one. Or at least that is the way I've felt when thinking about this vote over the past two days.

JAG, can you quote BK's post that says work would be last, or at least after spawn night/kill actions? Because that doesn't sound like the type of thing that BK would normally reveal ... this seems to be a pretty important piece in assessing Shiggles so I want to make sure we've got it right.

If Shiggles wasn't able to make the kill, then I would be more inclined to look at Britrock or other candidates.

Post 3219 he quoted the rule, I'll re-post:


Performing Actions
Except where noted, in order to perform an Action you must PM the GM. Actions will be processed in the order they are received and then posted by the GM. Most actions take place immediately, though repair or conversion actions are not completed until the end of a cycle.


That specifically says conversion happens at the end of a cycle.

I still have not seen an answer from people voting Shiggles how they explain him claiming the spawn aware role. As a Spawn, that would be a very risky option when you don't know that another person is going to claim the same. It would be a nice move to pull if he was the mutated spawn and knew he previously had that role, but that basically removes him from being a starting spawn in my eyes.

[JAG]

So I want to try a little different exercise - what do we think the Spawn were doing each night? Anyone want to help fill in the blanks, correct this timetable?

Night 1 - ???
Night 2 - spawnling attack on Dubb
Night 3 - destroying stuff
Night 4 - ???
Night 5 - two kills

Night 2 they also messed up our fence.

Night 4 Zinto and unknown Spawn did a spawnling attack on someone. Chief Rum observed the attack by two people on one person.

[Chubby]

Post 3219 he quoted the rule, I'll re-post:



That specifically says conversion happens at the end of a cycle.

I still have not seen an answer from people voting Shiggles how they explain him claiming the spawn aware role. As a Spawn, that would be a very risky option when you don't know that another person is going to claim the same. It would be a nice move to pull if he was the mutated spawn and knew he previously had that role, but that basically removes him from being a starting spawn in my eyes.

spawn aware is not something that I think is limited to one per game

[Shiggles]

so he has a spawn ability that allows him to claim a bed but not use it? how are you supposed to know? i want some sort of theory besides "ZINTO DID IT"

i don't see anyone advocating a vote for abe so why is it an either or?


Jag was voting for abe earlier, but has since switched the vote

[Shiggles]

so checking the exhausted list the only names i see of consistently tired but not cleared people by scanning/death are CF, Julio, and britrock.

Britrock i believe on his exhausted night was doing research late at night, will need clarification to this though.

CF has been spearheading the engineering for the group which is a plus, but he has not been scanned, due to claiming empath ability, and conduct during game.

Julio has been scanning people during the night, but has yet to explain if they saw anything during the double death night while watching HQ for security

[Shiggles]

oh, and there is also a spawn ability that allows you to scan people and learn their secret role, but why would a spawn have a turn that is not exhausted when they have a cover story, unless that is spent evolving into something else. Thats all speculation of course.

[britrock88]

Hey everybody. Sorry I've been pretty sparse since this weekend. I've scanned over the thread, and will start discussing/hypothesizing/defending shortly.

Before I dive into that, though, are we keeping me inside to protect from potential spawn infection? I'm of the belief that because the lab is in Building D along with the crew quarters, I may be able to do work without risking infection. If I'm not right, maybe we mitigate potential conversions by sending GE consistently, having already done so today.

[CrimsonFox]

CF has been spearheading the engineering for the group which is a plus, but he has not been scanned, due to claiming empath ability, and conduct during game.


So NOW my conduct in the game makes me a villager as opposed to all the previous statements where my conduct made me look guilty?

[CrimsonFox]

I'm going to ask a scary question that no one has asked nor probably would.

BK, did you make a mistake about bed count?

and

BK, according to all those damage reports, it said there were 9 beds not damaged. That does mean that 9 people can sleep right?

[JAG]

Hey everybody. Sorry I've been pretty sparse since this weekend. I've scanned over the thread, and will start discussing/hypothesizing/defending shortly.

Before I dive into that, though, are we keeping me inside to protect from potential spawn infection? I'm of the belief that because the lab is in Building D along with the crew quarters, I may be able to do work without risking infection. If I'm not right, maybe we mitigate potential conversions by sending GE consistently, having already done so today.

Are the crew quarters still in Building D now that they've been converted to the ship though?

[britrock88]

Are the crew quarters still in Building D now that they've been converted to the ship though?

Derp. Great point.

[CrimsonFox]

Game Play Warning
Spawn is a complex game and not everything that is possible is listed here. As events evolve so does the gameplay. For instance in Spawn 2, the Scientists developed a way to scan for Spawn. Further, because Spawn is a complex game the GM will make errors. When possible these errors will be corrected, however some errors are not correctable. I apologize in advance if this happens.



You see...I KNEW IT! This HAS to be the answer! It's in the rules even! :D (just kidding but so many things happen that we don't understand that it makes me wonder sometimes)

[CrimsonFox]

oh, and there is also a spawn ability that allows you to scan people and learn their secret role, but why would a spawn have a turn that is not exhausted when they have a cover story, unless that is spent evolving into something else. Thats all speculation of course.

There is no way the spawn would use a night ability like that at this point. They would kill, damage things, or infect.

No way would they waste the opportunity at this point to improve their numbers or reduce ours.

[Shiggles]

So NOW my conduct in the game makes me a villager as opposed to all the previous statements where my conduct made me look guilty?

conduct means you have done good engineer things. but statements, color me defensive, i would vote for you if you were on the block.

[britrock88]

Before I get to the more pertinent stuff...

One thing I'm interested in is the thinking that led to our work on the power facilities. Facility 2 was the most recent one converted, and with it went the power for security, the brig, and the armory, which are the 3 best defensive facilities at this stage of the game. DV did the work to finish that -- was he under orders of JAG, or did he finish that of his own accord? And we're already talking about the order of operations and commands, which is good. I had been wondering if DV converted the power facility to spring Shiggles from the Brig so that they could attack our other doctors and make Shiggles' role more important. (I also wish DV had more to say in his defense than "you're gonna make a mistake.")

It's just curious to me that Building C is the one without power at this juncture. Maybe I'm thinking this just because the spawn took out 2 of the 3 doctors and made the medical facilities much less useful, while we scientists have at least initially completed the high- and medium-level research.

More germane to our task of hunting down any converted spawn is figuring out what happened on Night 4. Zinto was executed at the end of Day 5 and the spawn count stayed at 2, so I figure someone was infected either by spawn attack or by working once the fence was down.

[britrock88]

For those who have asked, yeah, I've been up and researching every night. I took that little hint from one of Barkeep's write-ups to heart, and figured that exhausting myself night after night wouldn't be any worse after having done it the first time. And in case any of the questions about the fruits of our research have not yet been answered, I can vouch for GE (and he can do the same for me) that we are telling you everything we know about them.

[britrock88]

Next, a little aside on my voting record.

LSG also had a good Day 4 vote, but not much else. Abe and Britrock have awful voting records. Darth missed half the votes.

I admit my voting record is terrible; it's been bad for the handful of WW games I've played now. I keep trying the techniques that other players use -- whether it's pinging inactive players, following a proven leader's vote, bringing a race closer so that both players feel more of a need to give us useful information, etc. But my timing must be terrible, because when I tend to catch heat, it's typically for my votes. I need to develop a better gut and go with it. That said, I agree with JAG's assessment and understand why I'm categorized with the people I tend to suspect most at this point -- LSG, DV, shiggles, and Abe.

I'll take a little more time to figure out where to go with tonight's vote, though, as that kind of thing seems important around here. :D

[CrimsonFox]

oh, and there is also a spawn ability that allows you to scan people and learn their secret role, but why would a spawn have a turn that is not exhausted when they have a cover story, unless that is spent evolving into something else. Thats all speculation of course.


See this is just not true. There is no spawn role like that so this is yet something else that you seem to be making up. There is a scrying spawn that adds attack bonuses and has the potential of learning what night action performed but that is not role...and the fact that Simbo was the scrying spawn is already dead. Just more made up sstuff here. I've been in games where I had obvious info to lynch before and was talked out of it. I'm not doing that again.

[CrimsonFox]

BTW what are the chances that JAG is the new spawn?

Highly possible.

[JAG]

Night 2 they also messed up our fence.

Night 4 Zinto and unknown Spawn did a spawnling attack on someone. Chief Rum observed the attack by two people on one person.

I'm also under the assumption that N1 they formed the Spawn Overlord. In the rules it states it gives the Spawn 'certain advantages', which potentially could explain how they were able to perform some powered up attack on our fence that left it permanently inoperative. At least there's nothing else in the rules I noticed that provides a potential explaination as to how they were able to do it.

[britrock88]

so checking the exhausted list the only names i see of consistently tired but not cleared people by scanning/death are CF, Julio, and britrock.

Britrock i believe on his exhausted night was doing research late at night, will need clarification to this though.

CF has been spearheading the engineering for the group which is a plus, but he has not been scanned, due to claiming empath ability, and conduct during game.

Julio has been scanning people during the night, but has yet to explain if they saw anything during the double death night while watching HQ for security

Shiggles also raises interesting points here about people in the second tier of potential spawn, CF and Julio. To be honest, I thought CF either had terrible luck in using his empath ability, did a great job of sabotaging it (if he had been attacked Night 1, maybe? Not sure how the timing lines up), or faked it altogether, as his results didn't exactly enlighten us as to anything. I also thought we might hear something from the people who man security HQ, but there's been a void there. Julio is one of the people I have to look at askance because of that.

[Darth Vilus]

I also wish DV had more to say in his defense than "you're gonna make a mistake.")


Defense against what?

[CrimsonFox]

And do we think that the infected spawn is now a roleless real spawn now or has there been enough time to evolve into a role. It seems like:

it goes:
Villager--> Spawnling-->Unevolved Spawn-->evolved Spawn

How long the last step is we dont know do we? But it is even one cycle (day->night or night->day) or one full day tops.
But really I don't know if there has been enough time for the spawn to have a role unless it JUST got it today. Yes?

[britrock88]

Defense against a lynch.

[Darth Vilus]

WHat possible defense can I have? I'm good and I don't have a role (that I know of yet) That's all.

I voted for zinto, what else would you like. I do not have any defense, I just dont have it

[britrock88]

That's fair. I assume there are people out there who haven't learned their secret role yet. We've seen evidence of people learning theirs slowly. In earlier Spawn games, sometimes people didn't survive long enough to learn theirs at all, yada yada. I don't mean to fault you; I just wish we had more to go on.

At this point, I'm going to

VOTE SHIGGLES.

[Julio Riddols]

hey there guys, catching up - checkin' in and whatnot.

[britrock88]

Hey, DV, if a couple votes stick on us, maybe we'll find out that we have the gut feeling!

[JAG]

Before I get to the more pertinent stuff...

One thing I'm interested in is the thinking that led to our work on the power facilities. Facility 2 was the most recent one converted, and with it went the power for security, the brig, and the armory, which are the 3 best defensive facilities at this stage of the game. DV did the work to finish that -- was he under orders of JAG, or did he finish that of his own accord? And we're already talking about the order of operations and commands, which is good. I had been wondering if DV converted the power facility to spring Shiggles from the Brig so that they could attack our other doctors and make Shiggles' role more important. (I also wish DV had more to say in his defense than "you're gonna make a mistake.")

That's a reasonable question. I wanted to convert facility 2 first because the other options were facility 3 which housed the science lab and medical facility (so that was a 'no way' for me) and facility 1 housed our water replicator, which I didn't think it was wise to leave us without having power. We pretty much had to give on something without power.

However after BK revealed that if we left the brig without power it would free Shiggles, I stated in the thread that we shouldn't finish converting that facility and that we should partially convert something else.

[britrock88]

But this transpired on Night 5, right? So if you had been attacked on Night 4, you would have been converted to full-fledged spawn by Night 5 (going off Dubb's maturation process)? Interesting.

[JAG]

BTW what are the chances that JAG is the new spawn?

Highly possible.

I thought it would've been smart by them to mutate me, but I guess they felt like it was too obvious a move since it didn't happen.

[JAG]

But this transpired on Night 5, right? So if you had been attacked on Night 4, you would have been converted to full-fledged spawn by Night 5 (going off Dubb's maturation process)? Interesting.

Correct, dubb was attacked N2, became spawnling D3, and was Spawn N3 when Autumn killed him, so if you're claiming I was the one attacked N4, I would've been a full Spawn by N5, assuming the same timeline.

[Shiggles]

Whatever, votes on darth for now. tomorrow im gonna scan julio to remove any doubt for my mind

[CrimsonFox]

That's a reasonable question. I wanted to convert facility 2 first because the other options were facility 3 which housed the science lab and medical facility (so that was a 'no way' for me) and facility 1 housed our water replicator, which I didn't think it was wise to leave us without having power. We pretty much had to give on something without power.

However after BK revealed that if we left the brig without power it would free Shiggles, I stated in the thread that we shouldn't finish converting that facility and that we should partially convert something else.


So basically you just were talking about it in thread and didn't submit an order for DV to do work, yes?

[Shiggles]

*if im alive

[britrock88]

Because he can't issue orders at night.

[Julio Riddols]

I am not sure why there is any question about Shiggles at this point. When we lynch him tonight, we will have made the right move, whether we lose a doctor or not.

The second spawn is a much murkier subject, but I think after tonight we will have an idea where to go with our votes on that front.

Wanted to confirm one thing though - If we don't get off this rock tonight, which is a distinct possibility since we haven't yet weeded out the last 2 spawn, will we certainly be able to get water tomorrow? Because we will need it and we will need to ensure that our mission to get it is successful.

[Barkeep49]

I'm going to ask a scary question that no one has asked nor probably would.

BK, did you make a mistake about bed count?

and

BK, according to all those damage reports, it said there were 9 beds not damaged. That does mean that 9 people can sleep right?

There was no mistake made about the beds.

9 people could sleep if there are 9 undamaged beds.

[CrimsonFox]

I thought it would've been smart by them to mutate me, but I guess they felt like it was too obvious a move since it didn't happen.

I mean there's the whole JAG/DANNY/HOOPS thing going on here. One would think that ONE of these three would be a target for sure just to shut them up. (because they are good at analysis not because they talk too much....;) Then it'd be me). It isn't me and it seems it's not hoops. Not Danny I guess because he wasn't a big role.

This also possibly suggests new wolves or "quick last minute submissions without reading much" wolves.

That really points to Jag/Hoops. So if not them, then Abe/Brit/GE/DV for important roles. Are any of them cleared today based on cross-role action?

[Barkeep49]

You see...I KNEW IT! This HAS to be the answer! It's in the rules even! :D (just kidding but so many things happen that we don't understand that it makes me wonder sometimes)

It is true. I have made mistakes this game. It's in the rules (and early on at that) for a reason :).

[CrimsonFox]

There was no mistake made about the beds.

9 people could sleep if there are 9 undamaged beds.


Thanks man.

Okay there is no doubt in my mind then.

[Julio Riddols]

Never mind, going back and reading morning 6 says we still have water for 1.5 days. I guess we tossed all that extra crystlium in the garbage instead of putting it in our warehouse. Good.

[JAG]

I am not sure why there is any question about Shiggles at this point.

1. He could not have attacked from the brig. No one was in there with him. It did not lose power until the end of the evening.

2. He claimed a villager role that wasn't countered.

3. His voting record...no vote D2 when there was a Spawn on the line to be killed, D4 voted Zinto then Simbo when he could've latched onto another villager that had votes.


I can't explain the bed / exhaustion thing, but neither can I explain the above points. Because of points 2 and 3, I don't think he's starting Spawn, based on point 1 I don't see how he could be Spawn at all.

[CrimsonFox]

And yeahyeahyeah voting analysis but as last game showed, you can't JUST look at voting analysis. Danny said it best. YOU have to look at both things that complement each other.

Voting, Reactions/posting, and with this game rules/roles/ingame work actions

[CrimsonFox]

1. He could not have attacked from the brig. No one was in there with him. It did not lose power until the end of the evening.

2. He claimed a villager role that wasn't countered.

3. His voting record...no vote D2 when there was a Spawn on the line to be killed, D4 voted Zinto then Simbo when he could've latched onto another villager that had votes.


I can't explain the bed / exhaustion thing, but neither can I explain the above points. Because of points 2 and 3, I don't think he's starting Spawn, based on point 1 I don't see how he could be Spawn at all.

Number 1 is NOT confirmed whatsoever. You don't know that the kill didn't happen at the end of the night cycle. Look at Autumn's game last game. Kill happened at the end of the cycle there too.

[JAG]

True, it's not confirmed, but BK said most actions happen immediately and conversion / repair happens at the end of the evening. To confirm it we would need a dead body that would've otherwise been working on conversion / repair and the only two dead are the two that were killed last night, neither of which were doing either of those two things.

Julio, can you explain what you saw from the HQ since you manned it? You could probably shed some light on this. You said something about 'getting kicked from the HQ before the end of the night' I believe?

[Barkeep49]

Current Vote Count:

Votes Needed to lynch: 5

Brit 2 - JAG (3357) Danny (3359)
Shiggles 5 - CF (3081) Julio (3096) Chubby (3155) DV (3203) brit (3391)
DV 2 - Shiggles (3101) Abe (3296)

[JAG]

And yeahyeahyeah voting analysis but as last game showed, you can't JUST look at voting analysis. Danny said it best. YOU have to look at both things that complement each other.

Voting, Reactions/posting, and with this game rules/roles/ingame work actions

If you look at my long post of analysis, you'll see I didn't 'just' use voting record to come up with my thoughts on people.

So speaking of non-voting analysis reasons, you didn't think Abe's reaction to being scanned by Shiggles was weird?

unvote Shiggles
Vote DV

I suspect that if Shiggles were spawn, he would have said I was when I wasn;t to get a day of voting off me and then him the next day. Take out the trainer and end any more doctors, that's how I would have played that.

Why would he do that Abe? If you were spawn and he wasn't, you both would have exploded. He's not going to claim something that is impossible.

He could claim I was tainted, like dubb was, that;s what I was referring to.

But that;s also impossible. We know Zinto died and the spawn did not remake the queen, so you couldn't be a spawnling.

[Julio Riddols]

True, it's not confirmed, but BK said most actions happen immediately and conversion / repair happens at the end of the evening. To confirm it we would need a dead body that would've otherwise been working on conversion / repair and the only two dead are the two that were killed last night, neither of which were doing either of those two things.

Julio, can you explain what you saw from the HQ since you manned it? You could probably shed some light on this. You said something about 'getting kicked from the HQ before the end of the night' I believe?

I wasn't notified that I had seen anything. I was just forced to stop watching things at some point because the conversion work hindered my duties. I'm assuming spawn actions took place after that and out of my view.

[Abe Sargent]

If you look at my long post of analysis, you'll see I didn't 'just' use voting record to come up with my thoughts on people.

So speaking of non-voting analysis reasons, you didn't think Abe's reaction to being scanned by Shiggles was weird?

And I responded just a couple of minutes later so it must have been coordinated...:)

[Abe Sargent]

I haven't been following work and converting on module son today's super long day, is there work I can do since it looks like we need to hold off until tomorrow for training?

[LoneStarGirl]

Kinda forgot I was playing. Lots to catch up on, but the whole bed situation seems pretty damning dor Shiggles.

Execute shiggles

[JAG]

I wasn't notified that I had seen anything. I was just forced to stop watching things at some point because the conversion work hindered my duties. I'm assuming spawn actions took place after that and out of my view.

Alright, pulling up the security HQ info:

The Security HQ contains security systems which monitor and protect important ship and planet areas. While on the planet and manned, the security system will report anyone who enters buildings A, B, C, or the ship, though there is a 10% chance at night of avoiding detection. Additionally it prevents, both on the planet and after lift-off, anyone from attacking the Slave Pens, Crew Quarters, Armory, and the Brig while manned. Both of these functions may be impaired if the Security HQ becomes damaged. A successful spawn attack requires 2-5 man cycles of repair time. Conversion is optional, but the Brig and the Armory will not function on the ship without it.

Since saldana and CR didn't have night actions they could take, both should've been in the crew quarters I would think. The crew quarters are in building D (Building D: Crew Quarters, Medical Facilities, Scientists’ Lab, Officers’ Offices), which is not covered by the security HQ. So you wouldn't have seen the killings of saldana and CR at any point in the night, whether the conversion interfered with your duties or not.

[JAG]

And I responded just a couple of minutes later so it must have been coordinated...:)

I didn't say anything about things being coordinated, I was talking about your response to being scanned and then response to Danny when he made his comment.

[JAG]

Alright, pulling up the security HQ info:



Since saldana and CR didn't have night actions they could take, both should've been in the crew quarters I would think. The crew quarters are in building D (Building D: Crew Quarters, Medical Facilities, Scientists’ Lab, Officers’ Offices), which is not covered by the security HQ. So you wouldn't have seen the killings of saldana and CR at any point in the night, whether the conversion interfered with your duties or not.

Actually, I take that back. The crew quarters are on the ship now. So that does take the shine off the first part of my argument for Shiggles not being Spawn, though not for why he isn't a good candidate for a starting Spawn.

[JAG]

Alrighty, so i'll be out of the house till probably later than orders, but ill try to get mine out, friends from out of town. BUT! conditions! In case i miss my orders, JAG, you can assign me where to go, i believe were going on more conversion runs, but it looks like those are completed due to autumn's number crunching. Any other group activities, maybe collecting water for the masses? I'll try to keep up to date on the goings on, but again, may be late. Submitting a PM to barkeep soonish!

Here's an early post by Shiggles where he's talking about wanting to be involved in 'group activities', which squares away with his claim of being Spawn Aware.

ooo, away team. i could totally help with that right? and i could first aid anyone who gets attacked. totally!

Another post of his that tends to lean towards Spawn Aware.

You'd think if he were planting these things as a Spawn with the idea of fake revealing later on he might want to point to them in his own defense, no?

[hoopsguy]

Post 3219 he quoted the rule, I'll re-post:



That specifically says conversion happens at the end of a cycle.

I still have not seen an answer from people voting Shiggles how they explain him claiming the spawn aware role. As a Spawn, that would be a very risky option when you don't know that another person is going to claim the same. It would be a nice move to pull if he was the mutated spawn and knew he previously had that role, but that basically removes him from being a starting spawn in my eyes.

Right, but that seems to suggest day cycle, as opposed to night cycle. Maybe I'm missing the context of the original question but the real-time element would seem to be restricted to daytime actions - which we see processed in real time. Processing night-time actions in real time would be quite a surprise to me ... if that is the case, then there are probably a few people kicking themselves over not knowing this prior to Day 6.

[Abe Sargent]

I didn't say anything about things being coordinated, I was talking about your response to being scanned and then response to Danny when he made his comment.

I thought when you said "weird" you meant coordinated, wolfish weird. Otherwise, why mention it at all if "weird" doesn't strike you as wolfish?

[britrock88]

Here's an early post by Shiggles where he's talking about wanting to be involved in 'group activities', which squares away with his claim of being Spawn Aware.



Another post of his that tends to lean towards Spawn Aware.

You'd think if he were planting these things as a Spawn with the idea of fake revealing later on he might want to point to them in his own defense, no?

All this said, Spawn Aware would have to be one of the easiest secret roles for a spawn to fake (if he's on the spawn council, which would seemingly be the case here, and knows the identity of other spawn).

[JAG]

All this said, Spawn Aware would have to be one of the easiest secret roles for a spawn to fake (if he's on the spawn council, which would seemingly be the case here, and knows the identity of other spawn).

The point is that his claim seems to be supported by his earlier posts. The argument against Shiggles as Spawn is that he did the attack with Zinto on someone which is why he was exhausted with Zinto. That means that Shiggles would have to be the original Spawn, not the mutated Spawn. If that's the case, then it doesn't match up with the gist from some of his earlier posts.

[JAG]

Right, but that seems to suggest day cycle, as opposed to night cycle. Maybe I'm missing the context of the original question but the real-time element would seem to be restricted to daytime actions - which we see processed in real time. Processing night-time actions in real time would be quite a surprise to me ... if that is the case, then there are probably a few people kicking themselves over not knowing this prior to Day 6.

That could be the case, yeah. I don't subscribe to my point about him being in the brig and couldn't do the attack thing anymore based on what Julio said with the building losing power before the end of the night. I just don't think the evidence points to him being an original Spawn.

[hoopsguy]

Yep, co-opting a late role is an easier play for the wolves - can take the one that the guy they grabbed Night 4 on a conversion play had, for example.

In terms of Spawn Aware mechanics, I'm not positive how that one plays out in terms of how early someone learns about holding that role. I suppose it is possible someone could have it and not know by now ... I was considering that as one of my roles earlier in the day before Julio clued me in on what I actually have.

I really am struggling to get past the empty bed thing with Shiggles. I'm trying to listen to arguments posed by JAG/Shiggles, but it really hasn't moved me off my spot today.

[hoopsguy]

Going to be spotty with availability the rest of the way, and I need to get my vote in.

VOTE SHIGGLES

[GoldenEagle]

VOTE SHIGGLES

I am not really sure at this point, but that is my best guess.

[Danny]

With Julio's statement about the power that clears up the shuffles thing quite a bit. I think he is a solid vote. I'm sticking wthy current one cause it's already a runaway but will keep an eye in case I need to switch

[Barkeep49]

Votes Needed to lynch: 5

Brit 2 - JAG (3357) Danny (3359)
Shiggles 8 - CF (3081) Julio (3096) Chubby (3155) DV (3203) brit (3391) LSG (3419) hoops (3428) GE (3428)
DV 2 - Shiggles (3101) Abe (3296)

[Abe Sargent]

If we're voting off Shiggy, we need to train someone, who do you want as the new doctor?

[Abe Sargent]

BK I noticed that CR is listed as having died Night SIX not Night Five, was that a typo is is that some ability to kill early one night but miss your action the next or something?

[hoopsguy]

doc = death sentence :)

[Danny]

Abe since we haven't converted medical facilities would it even matter?

[JAG]

No point in making a doctor if we're lifting off as expected.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay then, I guess we'll find out. I hope we won't though

[Shiggles]

Well good luck guys. I weep for the other survivors.

[Barkeep49]

BK I noticed that CR is listed as having died Night SIX not Night Five, was that a typo is is that some ability to kill early one night but miss your action the next or something?
Typo

[Shiggles]

*busily starts drawing protective runes all over his body* My CHANTING will protect ME! *starts sprinting down the hallways singing a rendition of 'we shall not be moved' whilst doing the electric slide every other verse*

[Barkeep49]

Deadline I believe.

[Barkeep49]

The day seemed to go on forever. There was a good deal of discussion, but in the end the suspect entering the day was the man chosen at the end of the day for Spawn Detection of the most violent kind. Shiggles makes an effort to defend himself but it falls on deaf ears.

Despite the flesh torn from the body there is no sign of anything but the normal internal organs one finds. Shiggles was a SURVIVOR

Locations

Building A:
Warehouse 4 7 cycles required for conversion
40 / 40 units filled
Warehouse 5 7 cycles required for conversion
33 / 40 units filled
Water Supply – 17 units Enough for about 1.5 days at present rate of consumption
Crystilium Supply – 56 units (at least 20 required for lift-off)

Slave Pens Fully Operational
Slave Pen 1 2 cycles required for conversion
4 slaves present
Slave Pen 2 2 cycles required for conversion
4 slaves present
Slave Pen 3 2 cycles required for conversion
4 slaves present
Slave Pen 4 2 cycles required for conversion
4 slaves present
Slave Pen 5 2 cycles required for conversion
4 slaves present

Building B:
Power Facilities Fully Operational
Power Facility 3 5 cycles required for conversion
Powering Building D


Building C:
Security HQ Unpoweredl 2 cycles required for conversion

Armory Unpoweredl 4 cycles required for conversion
18 phasers accounted for

Brig Unpoweredl 4 cycles required for conversion


Building D:

Medical Facilities Fully Operational 4 cycles required for conversion


Peremiter Fence
Offline

Ship
Warehouse 1 Converted Inaccessible
Warehouse 2 Converted Inaccessible
Warehouse 3 Converted Inaccessible

Officers’ Offices Fully Operational Converted
Crew Quarters Damaged; 9 sleeping berths; 11 cycles to repair Converted

Power Facility Fully Operational Converted

Water Plant Fully Operational Converted
Producing enough water for all Survivors each day

Scientists’ Lab Fully Operational Converted
2 Spawn Detected
2 Engineer equivalent tools present


The Crew

Command Staff
Captain - JAG
First Officer - Lonestargirl
Second Officer - Danny

Chief Engineer - hoopsguy Exhausted
Engineers
Crimson Exhausted
Darth Exhausted

Security Staff
Slavemaster - Chubby
Sergeant-at-Arms - Julio Exhausted

Scientists
GoldenEagle
britrock
Trainer - Abe Sargent

Slaves
20 slaves accounted for

Deceased
mauboy - Lynched Day 2 SURVIVOR
Danny- Lynched Day 3 SURVIVOR
Autumn Killed Night 3 SURVIVOR
dubb Killed Night 3 SPAWN
Simbo Klice Lynched Day 4 SCRYING SPAWN
Zinto Lynched Day 5 SPAWN QUEEN
saldana Killed Night 5 SURVIVOR
Chief Rum Killed Night 5 SURVIVOR
Shiggles Lynched Day 6 SURVIVOR

Night 6 has begun

[hoopsguy]

Pretty quiet at the end there ... time to see if we made a good decision.

[hoopsguy]

OK - BK, please put the bed thing down as something to answer at the end of the game. K, thanks.

[Darth Vilus]

well son of a horse's ass

[JAG]

BK, we would like to Lift Off

[Danny]

Damn, we ready to take off though?

[Danny]

Damn, we ready to take off though?

[JAG]

The good news is there were no mutations during the day.

[Danny]

Wait, every room in the ship is playing failure to launch right now, I j

[Danny]

I choose to stay and take my chances with spawn

[Barkeep49]

BK, we would like to Lift Off
Since Night Orders are not processed in real time this will be part of the end of Night recap. It will be considered the first action processed for Night 6.

[hoopsguy]

Guess we just got the clarification on "real time" for evening activities.

[Julio Riddols]

Ok, we're getting the eff out of here. Now we need to figure out why we're so far astray. Vote histories are not a foolproof method for judging because of the impermanence of those who may have been converted. I am wondering what the spawn are going to do tonight and I feel pretty bad about being so wrong on Shiggles. I thought that was a pretty obvious one there.

[Julio Riddols]

I wish we had a frickin' armory.

[Danny]

Day 2 Voting:

759: Chief Rum votes mauboy (1)
761: PackerFanatic votes Simbo Klice (1)
764: britrock88 votes Schmidty (1)
784: Simbo votes mauboy (2)
790: Autumn votes Simbo (2)
852: LSG votes Schmidty (2)
886: CrimsonFox votes Simbo (3)
894: mauboy votes Schmidty (3)
902: Julio votes Schmidty (4)
903: Chubby votes Simbo (4)
918: Abe votes mauboy (3)
923: saldana votes mauboy (4)
959: Zinto votes mauboy (5)
976: Danny votes Simbo (5)
989: LSG unvotes Schmidty (3), votes Simbo (6)
999: Julio unvotes Schmidty (2)
1003: Zinto unvotes mauboy, votes Simbo (7)
1011: dubb votes LSG (1)
1016: britrock88 unvotes Schmidty (1)
1027: Autumn unvotes Simbo (6), votes mauboy (5)
1034: JAG votes mauboy (6)
1046: Chubby unvotes Simbo (5), votes mauboy (7)
1050: LSG unvotes Simbo (4), votes mauboy (8)

mauboy 8 - chief (759) simbo (784) abe (918) saldana 923 autumn 1027 jag 1034 chubby (1046) Lonestar 1050
simbo 4 - packerfan (761) CrimsonFox (886) Danny 976 Zinto 1003
schmidty 1 - mauboy (894)
LSG 1 - dubb (1011)

[Danny]

Day 3 voting:

1249: CrimsonFox votes Schmidty (1)
1337: Autumn votes CrimsonFox (1)
1372: CrimsonFox unvotes Schmidty (0), votes hoopsguy (1)
1374: Julio votes hoopsguy (2)
1450: Danny1 votes Simbo (1)
1486: saldana votes dubb (1) <---- saldana mentions investigating dubb and finds he's a spawnling
1514: Abe votes dubb (2)
1520: Julio unvotes hoops (1)
1532: Chief Rum votes dubb (3)
1551: dubb votes Danny1 (1)
1561: Chief Rum unvotes dubb (2)
1624: Shiggles votes Danny (2)
1626: Autumn unvotes CrimsonFox (0), votes Julio (1)
1636: Chubby votes dubb (3)
1643: Chief Rum votes hoops (2)
1659: CrimsonFox unvotes hoops (1), votes dubb (4)
1665: Julio votes Dubb (5)
1694/1696: LSG votes dubb (6)
1697: Simbo votes dubb (7)
1701: hoops votes Julio (2)
1709: CrimsonFox unvotes dubb (6), votes LSG (1)
1725: LSG unvotes dubb (5), votes Julio (3)
1730: Julio unvotes dubb (4), votes Simbo (2)
1732: CrimsonFox unvotes LSG (0), votes hoops (2)
1735: dubb unvotes Danny1 (1), votes Julio (4)
1762: Zinto votes hoops (3)
1799: JAG votes Danny1 (2)
1802: LSG unvotes Julio (3), votes Danny1 (3)
1803: Autumn unvotes Julio (2), votes Danny1 (4)
1804: britrock votes Dann1y (5)
1810: Zinto unvotes hoops (2), votes dubb (5)
1814: dubb unvotes Julio (1), votes Danny1 (6)
1817: Zinto unvotes dubb (4), votes Danny1 (7)
1836: Julio unvotes Simbo (1), votes Danny1 (8)

Simbo 1 - Danny (1450)
Julio 1 - hoops (1701)
hoops 2 - CR (1643) CF (1732)
dubb 4 - saldana (1486) Abe (1514) Chubby (1636) Simbo (1697)
Danny1 8 - Shiggles (1624) JAG (1799) LSG (1802) Autumn (1803) brit (1804) dubb (1814) Zinto (1817) Julio (1836)

[Danny]

Day 4 Voting:

2094: Julio Votes Hoops (1)
2096: Crimson votes Darth (1)
2134: Crimson unvotes Darth (0) votes Chubby (1)
2250: Simbo votes CrimsonFox (1)
2248: Abe votes Packer / Danny2 (1)
2252: Shiggles votes Zinto (1)
2295: Abe unvotes Packer / Danny2 (0)
2297: Abe votes Chubby (2)
2329: Chubby votes Julio (1)
2330: Chubby unvotes Julio (0) votes Crimson (2)
2336: Shiggles unvotes Zinto (0) votes Simbo (1)
2356: Julio votes Zinto (1)
2357: Saldana votes Chubby (3)
2358: LSG votes Simbo (2)
2361: Chief votes Simbo (3)
2380: Chubby unvotes CF (1) votes Zinto (2)
2413: Julio unvotes Zinto (1) votes Simbo (4)
2422: Brit votes Chubby (4)
2432: Chubby unvotes Zinto (0) votes Simbo (5)
2439: GE votes Simbo (6)
2440: Simbo unvotes CF (0) votes Chubby (5)
2443: Darth votes Simbo (7)
2445: Jag votes Simbo (8)

Simbo (8): Shiggles (2336), LSG (2358), Chief (2361), Julio (2413), Chubby (2432), GE (2439), Darth (2443), JAG (2445) (Hoops was in there somewhere too)

Chubby (5): Crimson (2134), Abe (2297), Saldana (2357), Brit (2422), Simbo (2440)

No vote: Zinto

[Danny]

Day 5 was a Zinto runaway

[Danny]

I am almost certainly voting Britrock today. That is who I thought before and am fairly convinced now that we know it's not shiggles.

[hoopsguy]

Right now I don't have a night order in - I don't believe we need to be converting buildings at this point, correct?

I'll go ahead and put up an order if someone has strong feelings on this over the next couple of hours.

I hope our security personnel - what is left of them - are looking to guard people/locations this evening.

[Danny]

I am guarding the vodka

[Barkeep49]

Final Vote Count Day 6

Brit 2 - JAG (3357) Danny (3359)
Shiggles 8 - CF (3081) Julio (3096) Chubby (3155) DV (3203) brit (3391) LSG (3419) hoops (3428) GE (3428)
DV 2 - Shiggles (3101) Abe (3296)

[Danny]

But yeah I would think that if the simbo-chubby thing were wolf wolf, that a different candidate would have emerged somewhere along the line.

Looking at the people that followed me onto chubby:
Abe (2297), Saldana (2357), Brit (2422), Simbo (2440)

Abe's vote 2-0 Chubby
Saldana (3-2-1-1 Chubby)
Brit 4-4-1-1 bringing Chubby BACK into a tie with Simbo

Brit's vote looks horrible



I felt pretty confident about Brit as well back when I voted Zinto, so I am rereading that now. Here was a key post by Crimson outlining Brit's bad vote.

[Danny]

The Crew

Command Staff
Captain - JAG
First Officer - Lonestargirl
Second Officer - Danny
Security Chief - Zinto Exhausted Armed with a 3 shot phaser


Chief Engineer - hoopsguy Exhausted
Engineers
Crimson Exhausted
Darth

Medical Staff
Doctor - saldana
Doctor - Shiggles Exhausted

Security Staff
Slavemaster - Chubby Exhausted
Sargent-at-Arms - Chief Rum Exhausted
Security Crewman - Julio

Scientists
GoldenEagle
britrock Exhausted
Trainer - Abe Sargent
Slaves
20 slaves accounted for

Deceased
mauboy - Lynched Day 2 SURVIVOR
Danny- Lynched Day 3 SURVIVOR
Autumn Killed Night 3 SURVIVOR
dubb Killed Night 3 SPAWN
Simbo Klice Lynched Day 4 SCRYING SPAWN

Day 5 has begun

Also, here is the night we believe the spawn attack was made. We know Zinto was exhausted which leads me to believe the other spawn was also exhausted. That leaves Crimson, GE and Brit as possible spawn if this is true. We know GE and Crimson are not starting spawn, so it would only leave Britrock.

[Danny]

I mean it's certainly possible ZInto was exhausted from doing something as security personnel, but its definitely just one more piece to consider along with Brit's poor voting record.

[JAG]

N2 when they did the spawnling attack, Zinto was not exhausted, just FYI.

[Danny]

The rules say there is a chance they all become exhausted. Obviously that did not happen night 2, but it may have happened night 4.

[Barkeep49]

”Lift off in
3

2

1”

And with that order from JAG the colony on Spawn Planet is no more. The survivors had been on the planet long enough that they had forgotten just how rough the atmosphere could be. In fact it seems rougher than you remember it. Sure enough when the ship launches into space there are numerous alarms going off. Lift-off has damaged the ship. With the exception of Julio, seen lurking around the Crews Quarters, and britrock in the Science Lab, the crew plans on getting a good night’s sleep, as least where they can find a bed, and addressing the problems in the morning.

Except the problems get a little worse in the morning. First the body of Julio and then hoop's body are discovered. Two more dead SURVIVORS

Ship
Warehouse 1 Inaccessible
Warehouse 2 Inaccessible
Warehouse 3 Inaccessible

Officers’ Offices Damaged but Operational; 1 cycle to repair
Crew Quarters Damaged; 3 sleeping berths; 17 cycles to repair

Power Facility Fully Operational

Water Plant Damaged; 2 cycles to repair

Scientists’ Lab Damaged; 2 cycles to repair
Spawn Detector Offline
2 Engineer equivalent tools present


The Crew

Command Staff
Captain - JAG Dehyrdrated
First Officer - Lonestargirl Dehyrdrated Exhausted
Second Officer - Danny Dehyrdrated Exhausted

Engineer
Crimson Exhausted Dehyrdrated
Darth Vilus Exhausted Dehyrdrated


Security Staff
Slavemaster - Chubby Dehyrdrated

Scientists
GoldenEagle Dehyrdrated Exhausted
britrock Dehyrdrated Wounded Exhausted
Trainer - Abe Sargent Dehyrdrated Exhausted

Deceased
mauboy - Lynched Day 2 SURVIVOR
Danny- Lynched Day 3 SURVIVOR
Autumn Killed Night 3 SURVIVOR
dubb Killed Night 3 SPAWN
Simbo Klice Lynched Day 4 SCRYING SPAWN
Zinto Lynched Day 5 SPAWN QUEEN
saldana Killed Night 5 SURVIVOR
Chief Rum Killed Night 5 SURVIVOR
Shiggles Lynched Day 6 SURVIVOR
Julio Riddols Killed Night 6 SURVIVOR
hoopsguy Killed Night 6 SURVIVOR


Day 7 has begun

[Danny]

Who died? The write up shows DV, but the crew shoes Hoops?

[Barkeep49]

Who died? The write up shows DV, but the crew shoes Hoops?
It was hoops. It's been fixed.

[Danny]

So we have a bunch of people exhausted and dehydrated now. And looks like Britrock was wounded.

So does that mean he was a spawn who made an attack and was wounded in the process? The only other option is that a 3rd spawn evolved and attacked him, but that seems unlikely.

[hoopsguy]

I can help out with that - I'm dead, per PM.

Good luck, survivors! Hope you can take this one home.

[Danny]

Vote britrock

Unless some new info comes out he looks awfully guilty, especially having that wounded title.

[JAG]

Everyone is listed as dehydrated. By rule I thought Spawn did not require water.

[GoldenEagle]

There was no bed for me last night, so I am pretty pissed off. Don't piss off the scientist who, presumably, has access to all sort of nasty chemicals.

[Danny]

Everyone is listed as dehydrated. By rule I thought Spawn did not require water.

It would be a pretty lame game if they didnt list as dehydrated. We could have found all the spawn day 2.

[JAG]

Vote Britrock

[britrock88]

Jeezus. Two attacks AND a bad lift-off?

So we have a bunch of people exhausted and dehydrated now. And looks like Britrock was wounded.

So does that mean he was a spawn who made an attack and was wounded in the process? The only other option is that a 3rd spawn evolved and attacked him, but that seems unlikely.

Yes, I'm wounded. Love having that to show off to the rest of the crew at this point in the game, but I'll tell you all I know. Someone came into the lab and tried to off me in the middle of the night. I probably survived because I was up and trying to work, and alert enough to save my own life.

[britrock88]

Everyone is listed as dehydrated. By rule I thought Spawn did not require water.

If the rule holds from earlier versions, spawn become dehydrated, but do not die when regular crew do after 2 days without water.

[Danny]

If the rule holds from earlier versions, spawn become dehydrated, but do not die when regular crew do after 2 days without water.

So if we all dont drink water today then we will know for sure who the spawn are tomorrow!

It's a fool proof plan!

[britrock88]

And you and JAG will be surprised to find out that I'm not one of them!

[britrock88]

Can we expect any more damage to the ship now that we've lifted off? If so, my suggestion for day tasks:

JAG
LSG
Danny - promote Chubby to engineer/officer

CF - repair water
DV - repair water

Chubby - promoted to engineer/officer by Danny

GE - untrain with Abe (to become engineer/officer with more training)
Britrock - repair lab
Abe - train GE

These get the vital repairs done and give us personnel flexibility going forward, as there are more useful roles than security and scientists given our present circumstances.

[britrock88]

Forgot to have LSG repair the lab, as well. I figure we'd enjoy having our spawn detector back.

[britrock88]

JAG, any additional explanation for your vote? I kind of felt you might go Abe or DV before you went my way.

If it's that I'm wounded, I only know to tell you what I know: I was attacked in the labs by someone -- don't know if it was spawn or a vigilante.

[Julio Riddols]

GAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

[Barkeep49]

Showing that despite his rank he's still willing to get his hands dirty, JAG takes an engineering tools and works on the Water Plant.

[britrock88]

I hope you have enough APs left to order around any no-shows today...

[Abe Sargent]

morning all

[Abe Sargent]

Can we expect any more damage to the ship now that we've lifted off? If so, my suggestion for day tasks:

JAG
LSG
Danny - promote Chubby to engineer/officer

CF - repair water
DV - repair water

Chubby - promoted to engineer/officer by Danny

GE - untrain with Abe (to become engineer/officer with more training)
Britrock - repair lab
Abe - train GE

These get the vital repairs done and give us personnel flexibility going forward, as there are more useful roles than security and scientists given our present circumstances.



Vote britrock

This post is extra reasons why I think britrock is a wolf. Why recommend that we have just TWO people work on the plant? If one fakes the work, then we all are in a world of hurt.

[britrock88]

Geez, alright, let's be less efficient and have more people work on the plant! JAG's already done some work on his own.

I wanted to raise the idea that we have a limited number of remaining crew that can change roles, and wanted us to think about doing so effectively. I wasn't trying to induce water plant repair sabotage. That'd be a little heavy-handed play, no?

[britrock88]

We also could discover that someone faked the work at the end of the day... and have someone repair it at night. We take our water in the morning.

[Abe Sargent]

We also could discover that someone faked the work at the end of the day... and have someone repair it at night. We take our water in the morning.

And what prevents wolves from slaying whoever is fixing it before that gets done?

[britrock88]

The fact that conversion/repair is the first type of action processed at night, according to Barkeep. I imagine someone could convert and then be attacked.

[JAG]

Orders for today:

CF + DV: Repair water plant with me
Abe: Train Chubby to be a scientist
GE: Repair science lab using engineering toolkit.

Nothing else I can think of that would be useful.

[Barkeep49]

GE your repair is needed in the Science Lab. Take a tool and effect those repairs," JAG commands.

[Barkeep49]

"I'm pleased to tell you, Chubby, that you will be able to complete training as a scientist," Abe informs.

[Abe Sargent]

Or get your diploma, you can major in business or accounting!

[Darth Vilus]

I'll put in the order to repair the water facilities

[Darth Vilus]

Orders for today:

CF + DV: Repair water plant with me
Abe: Train Chubby to be a scientist
GE: Repair science lab using engineering toolkit.

Nothing else I can think of that would be useful.

Wait, the water plant only needs 2 cycles for repair, why do all 3 of us need to repair them? Are we going to ignore the crew's quarters?