WW CXLIX SPAWN IV - GAME OVER (Post 3845)

[PackerFanatic]

If the slaves get spawnified they most likely die, which I guess is a better result than having a conversion. So the slave master could lead 4 slaves to get water. It doesn't really make sense to send a scientist with a slave team I don't think, as you can't have odd amounts of slaves.

According to the rules, there is a 75% chance they die

[Autumn]

So we could have Chubby, Schmidty and three slaves go fetch water.

Hoops and Crimson work on converting.

Darth leads a team of slaves on converting.

Simbo leads a team of Zinto, Shiggles, Mauboy and ? on converting.

?

[hoopsguy]

Chief, my thought is that we will go collect water tomorrow. I'm assuming, but perhaps wrongly so, that if we get water damage tonight, but collect water tomorrow, we'll be okay.

If we wait and go tomorrow we can collect more water per AP is my hope.

Based on past games, not a great assumption. Amount of water found is pretty variable, and there is the potential for the spawn to sabotage a mission. If they have us at a point where we die of thirst, it is probably worth their while to do so.

[Julio Riddols]

We gotsta gets the wawas.

[PackerFanatic]

I'd be more inclined to send a mission for water tonight.

[Autumn]

What do you mean tonight? Missions can only be at day.

[hoopsguy]

I'm thinking today is a free go get water day, with no pressure.

If there is a successful attack on the water module tonight, we will have two days to get enough water for all of us, which will be 15 at the end of the lynch on Day Three. We will need to use man cycles to repair the water module AND also send an away team out for more water, meaning less ability to do any work on anything that gets us off the planet. We also don't have any idea what kind of water levels such a team brings back. What if it's a small amount? And these missions, assuming the Spawn have some ability to target them or sabotage their efforts, will be under sharp attack, because it would be an easy victory for the Spawn if we all start to die off from dehydration.

If we send out a team today, we protect ourselves from having to find out about these things while under pressure, and we build a reserve so that we don't have to be desperate tomorrow. Having a reserve, in fact, might dissuade the Spawn from even making the water module a target.

Welcome to the first spot on my "managing risk well, inclined to trust him now" list. No D1 vote for you.

[Autumn]

The question is then whether it's better to have slaves fetch water, or convert. They only do half the work, but are less a problem if they get Spawnified. If they get supervised by an engineer they can contribute 3 cycles of work, versus the 4 cycles regular workers could do. If they go on a mission they will only contribute 2 cycles of work, versu the four. And actually if Chubby supervises them converting he can have four more so we could get 5 cycles out of them. So I think it's better to have them comvert if we're willing to risk the away teams getting turned into baddies.

[PackerFanatic]

What do you mean tonight? Missions can only be at day.

I misspoke - I meant today :)

[hoopsguy]

We probably want scientists on missions, as they improve chances of success. That modifier is unknown, but we are giving away an edge if we don't have them on the away missions.

[Julio Riddols]

I think the last things we should convert would be warehouse 4 and 5 and the stuff in building D.

The slave pens can be converted as needed when we lose slaves.

Once we convert a building, the power station supplying that building seems like a logical next step, or converting them at the same time also seems logical.

[Julio Riddols]

I'm also of the belief that sending slaves to get water (at least for now) is a solid idea, because we need to maintain the facilities we have the best we can while we have the people available to do so. I'm concerned that putting more members of the crew at risk than necessary isn't a good idea until we get further into the game.

I'm thinking the more we maintain things, the less fixing we'll have to do, which will allow us to continue moving forward instead of spinning tires.

[JAG]

If saldana is going to investigate me anyway, then I think it also makes sense for me to lead the exhibition to get water (since we seem to be leaning this way), which frees up Autumn, LSG, and Packer to perform their role functions and gives us a scan of an away team member to make sure they didn't get converted. I guess that might depend on the timing of when the scan happens though, otherwise maybe Zinto should lead it since he's the officer we can most afford to be converted (sorry Ensign).

[Autumn]

Okay so I'd now suggest a real water mission, with one of the officers, a scientist, and three volunteers. Have Chubby and an Engineer lead one slave conversion crew, another Engineer lead a regular crew, and the Chief and other engineer work together.

Is it more useful to have LSG reassigning a miner or leading a mission? I can lead one, or I can plan two missions for tomorrow.

JAG could fill in as a conversion worker if we need one with one of his AP. Zinto, Britrock?, Shiggles, Mauboy. It seems like we should probably skip the assignation and have Julio do conversion or mission work. Although we could fill in with slaves on the conversion crew too.

[Autumn]

Oh right, Zinto can lead a mission too.

[JAG]

We have enough slaves that we could do an away team of Zinto/JAG (1 of them), Schmidty, and three slaves, with enough slaves leftover for the engineer/Chubby team of slave converters to minimize crew chances for infection on the away team.

[Autumn]

I think it's better to have Zinto or LSG run the team. Even if we hae a good scan of JAG, there's no reason to risk having him get infected. Not only is he an important role but he's going to be good at it (and certainly better than me), so let's not risk him.

[Autumn]

Oh and I see that LSG's assigning doesn't take effect until the next day, so a galley master wouldn't be able to protect the water tonight.

Also, three miners would be optimal for a mining mission tomorrow, so maybe we don't want to assign any?

[Abe Sargent]

I'm leaning towards no vote today, by the way.

[Chubby]

So it sounds like from BK's response that dehydration would set in right away in the morning if the water plant was attacked tonight. So that makes me think you're right, chief, about needing a reserve right away. As i've said, I'd prefer to do less away missions and produce less chances for spawning, but what can you do.

So we don't have a ton of free people, so I'd suggest that we convert with slaves mostly, and take the few free people on the water mission. Or I suppose we could do it the other way and send hte slaves to get water.

I'm down with whatever you guys think is best. I would point out that I don't think the above scenario is the only one where we'd lose the water plant fwiw

[Zinto]

I agree that LSG or I should lead the team instead of Jag. There is no reason to risk a conversion of our captain on day one regardless of him being scanned when we have enough people to carry out tasks without him.

[Zinto]

Has everyone checked in yet? I do not think everyone has.

[hoopsguy]

If saldana is going to investigate me anyway, then I think it also makes sense for me to lead the exhibition to get water (since we seem to be leaning this way), which frees up Autumn, LSG, and Packer to perform their role functions and gives us a scan of an away team member to make sure they didn't get converted. I guess that might depend on the timing of when the scan happens though, otherwise maybe Zinto should lead it since he's the officer we can most afford to be converted (sorry Ensign).

Depends on order - he should ID you afterwards if you are going on mission, not before.

[Autumn]

Doesn't seem like it, Zinto.

[Autumn]

I'm down with whatever you guys think is best. I would point out that I don't think the above scenario is the only one where we'd lose the water plant fwiw

What are other scenarios? I haven't played Spawn before, I'm assuming the bad guys can attack locations at night. Are there other ways they can destroy buildings? Or are their other events as well?

[PackerFanatic]

I'd be up for leading an away mission if needed.

[Autumn]

We should settle on the Away crew soon so the officer can get the order in. I'm for JAG making final decisions like this so we're funneling important stuff through a soon-to-be vetted source.

[Chubby]

What are other scenarios? I haven't played Spawn before, I'm assuming the bad guys can attack locations at night. Are there other ways they can destroy buildings? Or are their other events as well?

I was referring to directly attacking the water supply, my reading is if they go after the power they will knock out our water production as well

[JAG]

Oh and I see that LSG's assigning doesn't take effect until the next day, so a galley master wouldn't be able to protect the water tonight.

Also, three miners would be optimal for a mining mission tomorrow, so maybe we don't want to assign any?

If we get screwed water-wise, we're really going to want a galley master around to distribute water. That seems like a critical role for us moreso than having a +5% chance (or whatever it is) of the mining mission succeeding. Having a medic (can change wounded to healed and has a small chance of replacing a dead doctor) seems pretty useful as well.

[Autumn]

My suggestion would be

Water Mission
LoneStarGirl
Schmidty
Zinto
2 slaves

Conversion Team
Chubby
CrimsonFox
10 slaves

Conversion Team
Hoopsguy
Darth Vilus

Conversion Team
Simbo Klice
Zinto
Mauboy
Shiggles
Julio Riddols

I'm ignoring all Security guys though I haven't read their roles closely enough to know if that makes sense or not.

[Autumn]

But JAG if you want to do the assigned let's say

Water Mission
Zinto
Schmidty
3 slaves

Conversion Team
Chubby
CrimsonFox
10 slaves

Conversion Team
Hoopsguy
Darth Vilus

Conversion Team
Simbo Klice
Zinto
Mauboy
Shiggles
JAG?

[Chief Rum]

Security Chief PackerFanatic, I would humbly recommend you advise Sergeant-at-Arms Danny to distribute phasers to all security personell (and only security personnell--outside of officers' needs of course).

Just thought I would bring this up again, in case it needs to be discussed.

Obviously, there is no certainty we wouldn't be giving a phaser to a Spawned member, as there are five security personnel, and that's a large group that could have a Spawn. But in doing our jobs of protecting, it would seem to be a key addition.

[Autumn]

Oh actually Julio can still act today if he's assigned, right? So put him back in.

[Autumn]

JAG, you should probably save your action points so that you can put in orders for any people that don't show up.

[JAG]

You have Zinto in two places. Ok, the away team we need to formalize fairly quickly and I say it should be:

Zinto
Schmidty
3 slaves

Please get your orders in. If Schmidty hasn't popped in to PM BK to go on the away mission by 5:30 EST, that will be one of my orders today.

[Autumn]

I think that would give us 15 cycles of conversion work done.

[Autumn]

Water Mission
Zinto - Commanding Officer
Schmidty - Scientist
3 slaves

Conversion Team
Chubby - Supervisor
CrimsonFox - Supervisor
10 slaves

Conversion Team
Hoopsguy
Darth Vilus

Conversion Team
Simbo Klice - Supervisor
Mauboy
Shiggles
Julio Riddols
Slave?

[PackerFanatic]

Just thought I would bring this up again, in case it needs to be discussed.

Obviously, there is no certainty we wouldn't be giving a phaser to a Spawned member, as there are five security personnel, and that's a large group that could have a Spawn. But in doing our jobs of protecting, it would seem to be a key addition.

Sorry, CR - I had seen this and wasn't ignoring it. I wanted to give Danny a chance to check-in before giving him work.

[Barkeep49]

You have Zinto in two places. Ok, the away team we need to formalize fairly quickly and I say it should be:

Zinto
Schmidty
3 slaves

Please get your orders in. If Schmidty hasn't popped in to PM BK to go on the away mission by 5:30 EST, that will be one of my orders today.
People assigned to away teams must go. They do not need to do anything.

[Zinto]

You have Zinto in two places. Ok, the away team we need to formalize fairly quickly and I say it should be:

Zinto
Schmidty
3 slaves

Please get your orders in. If Schmidty hasn't popped in to PM BK to go on the away mission by 5:30 EST, that will be one of my orders today.


Aye aye Captain

[Chubby]

fully convert warehouse 1 and 2 i'm assuming?

[Autumn]

People assigned to away teams must go. They do not need to do anything.

But Zinto has to assign them, is that correct?

[Autumn]

I'm guessing it's probably better to plan a mission than to give an order to a missing worker, so I will probably send in my PM soon to do that, before I head out for dinner.

[JAG]

A crew member, if asked, must go on away team if they have the action points to do so.

Ok, so I take that to mean Zinto has to PM BK and tell him he's making an away team and taking Schmidty and three slaves with him.

Sorry BK, we'll figure this out at some point.

[Barkeep49]

But Zinto has to assign them, is that correct?
That is correct. Zinto should send me a PM with his team.

[JAG]

Conversion Team
Simbo Klice - Supervisor
Mauboy
Shiggles
Julio Riddols
Slave?

We can't do one slave for converter work, has to be an even number.

[Barkeep49]

Ok, so I take that to mean Zinto has to PM BK and tell him he's making an away team and taking Schmidty and three slaves with him.

Sorry BK, we'll figure this out at some point.
No worries, the rules are a bit unclear on this point. I expect to answer lots of questions early on anyway :)

[CrimsonFox]

So the word 'conversion' is being used BOTH as a term for the group (Change a building into something else) AND for the spawn? (Change someone into a spawn)

Can we please choose a different word for one or the other?

[Chief Rum]

We should construct a plan including security personell for being used for converting as well, since with the fence perimeter will certainly hold up through the rest of this day.

[Autumn]

Oh good, I just read the Security Chief role and realized he can give orders to the security personnel. That solves the problem of organizing protection schemes. I like it.

I'm not sure what to do about that final slot. I guess just leave it empty or have JAG fill it if he ends up having an action point.

[Chief Rum]

So the word 'conversion' is being used BOTH as a term for the group (Change a building into something else) AND for the spawn? (Change someone into a spawn)

Can we please choose a different word for one or the other?

I haven't seen too many people use conversion as a term for Spawning actually.

But if we want to be clear, I say we continue to use conversion/converted for the ship process and some variation of "spawned/spawning/spawnified" for being "converted".

[CrimsonFox]

How about 'convertion; stays for the term for buildings

and

'mutation' is the term used for human-> spawn

[CrimsonFox]

I haven't seen too many people use conversion as a term for Spawning actually.

But if we want to be clear, I say we continue to use conversion/converted for the ship process and some variation of "spawned/spawning/spawnified" for being "converted".


or SP0wned! :)

[CrimsonFox]

and the whole fourth page is full of both :P

[Autumn]

Yes, I'm not clear on how best to use the security personnel. They'll have to take turns protecting at night to keep from getting exhausted. And the sergeant will need to hand out the guns. But if one of them can convert, we can put them to work.

[Zinto]

Alright I have sent in the order with my team formation

[saldana]

I am a little apprehensive about sending the captain off the ship...spawn games are about clearing people and keeping them cleared...we should limit his exposure and not take the random chance...make the spawnlings work for it if they want to turn him... I will save my scan til after we decide if he is going off ship.

[CrimsonFox]

Barkeep, am I reading this right?

IT seems to me that the first 3 warehouses are the only things that are not usable until we convert them into something else, correct? Every thing else works right now?

Also, what are our options for these warehouses? Crystal and water storage? Or can we turn them into any building we want? Like a backup anything?

[Autumn]

I am a little apprehensive about sending the captain off the ship...spawn games are about clearing people and keeping them cleared...we should limit his exposure and not take the random chance...make the spawnlings work for it if they want to turn him... I will save my scan til after we decide if he is going off ship.

He's not going away.

[Chief Rum]

Recommendation to Security Chief Packer fanatic, regarding security schedules.

There are four security personnell besides the Security Chief, although the Sergeant at Arms and Slavemaster have specified roles. I would recommend organizing us into two two-man teams. Each night we will be one team on guard and one team sleeping. You determine which team goes first and what we protect.

Every four cycles (one night for each team), we can changeup the schedules some, if needed, so that the Spawn can't easily take advantage of our patterns.

And chief PF, you yourself would determine your actions randomly, sometimes being on watch with one team or with the other, or a third option altogether.

What do you think?

[mauchow]

Do I need to submit anything or am I automatically inserted for conversion detail?

[CrimsonFox]

another question: Can crystal and water both be storaed in any warehouse that's accessible? Or do they need to be converted to hold either specifically?(Crystal storage, water storage, etc)

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, am I reading this right?

IT seems to me that the first 3 warehouses are the only things that are not usable until we convert them into something else, correct? Every thing else works right now?

Also, what are our options for these warehouses? Crystal and water storage? Or can we turn them into any building we want? Like a backup anything?
Correct everything else you convert besides Warehouses 1-3 are otherwise useful.

Warehouses can store Crystlium and water that is all.

[Barkeep49]

another question: Can crystal and water both be storaed in any warehouse that's accessible? Or do they need to be converted to hold either specifically?(Crystal storage, water storage, etc)


They'll both hold Crystlium and water interchangeably. Nothing special needs to happen there.

[PackerFanatic]

Recommendation to Security Chief Packer fanatic, regarding security schedules.

There are four security personnell besides the Security Chief, although the Sergeant at Arms and Slavemaster have specified roles. I would recommend organizing us into two two-man teams. Each night we will be one team on guard and one team sleeping. You determine which team goes first and what we protect.

Every four cycles (one night for each team), we can changeup the schedules some, if needed, so that the Spawn can't easily take advantage of our patterns.

And chief PF, you yourself would determine your actions randomly, sometimes being on watch with one team or with the other, or a third option altogether.

What do you think?

That's probably a good idea - thank you CR. Although even if I set it up a particular way, there is no way of us knowing that our fellow security folk are doing it that way...just saying :)

[Barkeep49]

"Time to gear up," Zinto tells Schmidty. He also goes down to the Slave Pen and gets 3 slaves. Off they go in search of water.

[CrimsonFox]

Okay Chief hoops,

Since the only thing we have that needs converting is the first 3 warehouses, why don't we power through them today so they will be ready. I'm guessing other days we will probably have to worry about other things breaking down. So if we get the jump on the warehouses today and completely convert 1-2 of them today, then we'll have them all ready and won't have to play catchup later when things start breaking.

[CrimsonFox]

I guess I'm assuming though that it is the case that if we throw enough guys at a job, we reduce the time it takes to do it? Is that how it works?

[hoopsguy]

I'm going to put in my order to participate on a conversion team with Darth Vilus, unless there are strong thoughts opposing this action. This is per Autumn's suggested orders post in #287.

[Chief Rum]

Okay Chief hoops,

Since the only thing we have that needs converting is the first 3 warehouses, why don't we power through them today so they will be ready. I'm guessing other days we will probably have to worry about other things breaking down. So if we get the jump on the warehouses today and completely convert 1-2 of them today, then we'll have them all ready and won't have to play catchup later when things start breaking.

Works for me.

[hoopsguy]

Okay Chief hoops,

Since the only thing we have that needs converting is the first 3 warehouses, why don't we power through them today so they will be ready. I'm guessing other days we will probably have to worry about other things breaking down. So if we get the jump on the warehouses today and completely convert 1-2 of them today, then we'll have them all ready and won't have to play catchup later when things start breaking.

Exactly my thoughts - we can have additional discussion on what should be converted next, but lets get these out of the way now since it sounds like they are non-negotiable.

[CrimsonFox]

Works for me.


lol I wasn't talking to you :)

Chief hoops...as in my superior. I guess I should just stop using that term :)

[Autumn]

I'm going to put in my order to participate on a conversion team with Darth Vilus, unless there are strong thoughts opposing this action. This is per Autumn's suggested orders post in #287.

Let's figure out something though. Each warehouse is 7 cycles of work. Is there a way we can split up the teams to make sure both get done?

[Abe Sargent]

So the word 'conversion' is being used BOTH as a term for the group (Change a building into something else) AND for the spawn? (Change someone into a spawn)

Can we please choose a different word for one or the other?

How about the spawn "seduce" us and we convert buildings?

[Autumn]

lol I wasn't talking to you :)

Chief hoops...as in my superior. I guess I should just stop using that term :)

Who was just complaining about confusing terminology?

[CrimsonFox]

I'm going to put in my order to participate on a conversion team with Darth Vilus, unless there are strong thoughts opposing this action. This is per Autumn's suggested orders post in #287.


So is it possible to completely knock out a warehouse in a day? How many of us are required for that to happen?

[Autumn]

The Chief Engineer and an Engineer will produce 6 cycles of work.

An Engineer, Slave Mastera nd 10 slaves will produce 5 cycles of work

An Engineer and a crew of four will produce 4 cycles of work.

So we may actually want to split this up differently.

[CrimsonFox]

Let's figure out something though. Each warehouse is 7 cycles of work. Is there a way we can split up the teams to make sure both get done?

So what is a cycle?

[Autumn]

So what is a cycle?

It's like a man hour.

[Autumn]

I'm not sure we can knock out two 7 cycle jobs. If we split up the chief engineer and engineer they only do two each. Or I guess we could have the Chief E. do 2 cycles of work, the other Engineer lead a team of slaves for 3 cycles of work. That should do it.

[Autumn]

So Hoops converts a Warehouse. (2)

CrimsonFox and a team of 6 slaves converts a Warehouse (3)

Darth Vilus, Chubby and a team of 10 slaves converts a Warehouse (5)

Simbo Klice and a team of four players converts a Warehouse (4)

Simbo and Crimson work on one, Darth and HOops work on the other and we just barely make it.

[Autumn]

Of course this leaves us open to sabotage, but if one of them fakes their work it gives us a good lead at least.

[Barkeep49]

The team comes back from their water mission. "Considering we didn't have any planning," Zinto explains as the water goes through the filter, "We did well, maybe even pretty well, for ourselves. Definitely could have been better though."

After a few moments of anticipation you learn the team got 23 units of water.

[Chief Rum]

So what is a cycle?

A cycle is the generic term for a shift (day or night). Each Day has a day cycle and a nigth cycle. So two cycles per Day.

A man-cycle is like Autumn's man-hour. A man-cycle is the work a man does in a cycle. So if converting a warehouse takes 7 man-cycles, then in order for us to convert the warehouse in one day, we would need seven men for that one day. Or if we were doing it at our leisure, it could be done by one man in seven days (presuming sleeping at night).

[Autumn]

Wow, 23 units seems good. With a well planned mission tomorrow we should be pretty stocked!

[PackerFanatic]

Well done team - now let's just hope none of you are now spawn :)

[Chief Rum]

The team comes back from their water mission. "Considering we didn't have any planning," Zinto explains as the water goes through the filter, "We did well, maybe even pretty well, for ourselves. Definitely could have been better though."

After a few moments of anticipation you learn the team got 23 units of water.

Wow, that was extremely successful. That gives us a whole day's reserve and then some, even.

[Barkeep49]

"Let me help you out some with your studies," britrock says sliding up to Abe.

[britrock88]

Put my order in to train Abe today, FYI.

[Autumn]

"Let me help you out some with your studies," britrock says sliding up to Abe.

lol, so creepy

[britrock88]

Yep, there ya go. Abe, if the chemistry's good enough, maybe we can continue training later this evening?... ;-)

[PackerFanatic]

Day 1 Recap (so far) - posts 165 - 337
-Lots of discussion on "teams", who will do what during the day and tonight in terms of missions and building work

-Mostly everyone checking in and offering their services.

*KEY POSTS*

Abe Sargent is pleased by the opportunity afford him and eagerly begins to read technical manuals so he will understanding how to work the trainer's equipment. - #216

"Time to gear up," Zinto tells Schmidty. He also goes down to the Slave Pen and gets 3 slaves. Off they go in search of water. - #316

The team comes back from their water mission. "Considering we didn't have any planning," Zinto explains as the water goes through the filter, "We did well, maybe even pretty well, for ourselves. Definitely could have been better though."

After a few moments of anticipation you learn the team got 23 units of water. - #333


A quick recap of the limited action so far

[CrimsonFox]

Basic Game Concepts

The Ship
In this game the Survivors must construct the ship they will use to escape the planet. This will happen by converting Planet Facilities into Ship Modules. The following must be present for the ship to take off:

Power Facilities (at least 4 of the 5)
Water Processing
Cargo Holds 1-3
CrewQuarters
Officers’ Offices

It is optional as to whether the other Planet Facilities are converted. Once a facility is converted into a Ship Module, it provides no benefit, except where noted, until after Lift-Off.

Locations
In this game locations act slightly differently depending on whether they are on the planet and or are part of the ship. Work must be done to convert planet facilities into Ship Modules.

Locations

Warehouses 1-5 Warehouses 1-3 are full of already harvested Crystlium and have been sealed and may not be accessed by the Survivors. Their conversion is required for lift-off. Warehouses 4 & 5 can can hold either Crystlium or Water. They both begin the game empty but can each hold up to 40 units of either water or Crystlium (or any combination of the two). Their conversion is optional for lift-off.

Slave Pens 1-5 Their conversion is optional for lift-off.
Power Facilities 1-5 Conversion of at least 4 of the facilities are required for lift-off. The ship may not lift-off (see Lift-Off below) unless the Power Facilities are undamaged. Once the ship has lifted-off the Power Facilities may not be damaged.
Water Plant Their conversion is required for lift-off.
Security Headquarters Conversion is optional, but the Brig and the Armory will not function on the ship without it.
Armory Conversion is optional, but the Security HQ must be converted for the Armory to function.
Brig No work may be done to convert the brig while there is anyone inside of it.
Crew Quarters Their conversion is required for lift-off.
Medical Facilities Their conversion is optional for lift-off.
Scientists’ Lab Their conversion is optional for lift-off.
Officers’ Offices Work may still be done after their conversion but before lift-off. Their conversion is required for lift-off.

Lift-off
In order to lift-off, the Power Facilities must not be damaged, the Cargo Hold must have the required amount of Crystlium, and all required buildings must be converted. The Captain orders the lift-off by posting the order in the thread. Once all conditions are met lift-off takes place immediately.


Oh now I know where britrock was getting his conversion info. A bit confused about conversion now. THought it was about convertin buildings into other things to use, but we have to convert all that stuff into a shipversion of it and after we convert it we can't use it on the planet for stuff? I guess some of it will still work other will not.

[JAG]

The Chief Engineer and an Engineer will produce 6 cycles of work.

An Engineer, Slave Mastera nd 10 slaves will produce 5 cycles of work

An Engineer and a crew of four will produce 4 cycles of work.

So we may actually want to split this up differently.

I think (until BK tells me I'm wrong ;) ) that warehouse 1-5 is one 'location', so they can split up the work however they want among the warehouses, but can't also work on the living units for example.

[Darth Vilus]

I'm going to put in my order to participate on a conversion team with Darth Vilus, unless there are strong thoughts opposing this action. This is per Autumn's suggested orders post in #287.

For which warehouse? we have to submit our orders separately right?

[PackerFanatic]

When the classroom is a rockin'....

[Autumn]

Yep, there ya go. Abe, if the chemistry's good enough, maybe we can continue training later this evening?... ;-)

I don't want to know what night actions you have available.

[Autumn]

I think (until BK tells me I'm wrong ;) ) that warehouse 1-5 is one 'location', so they can split up the work however they want among the warehouses, but can't also work on the living units for example.

Oh really? That would be easier, let me double check that.

[JAG]

The team comes back from their water mission. "Considering we didn't have any planning," Zinto explains as the water goes through the filter, "We did well, maybe even pretty well, for ourselves. Definitely could have been better though."

After a few moments of anticipation you learn the team got 23 units of water.

Nice, that seems like a good start.

[CrimsonFox]

Who was just complaining about confusing terminology?


It would be better if Chief RUm changed his name for this game. :)

[Chief Rum]

Quick recap of posts 338-342:

britrock comes on to Abe
PF recaps posts 165-337

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What? :D

[Autumn]

Barkeep, do we have to specify which Warehouses we work on?

[Barkeep49]

"Captain I'm going to need you to come with me," Dr. saldana says.

Given the doctor's reputation for examining all parts of the body it's a bit of a surprise that the exam is so quiet. When the exam is over both walk out of the medical facility seemingly no worse for the wear.

[Chubby]

Ugh the blue is hard to read on my phone with sideline

[Autumn]

I'm feeling very uncomfortable with this game right now.

[PackerFanatic]

I'm feeling very uncomfortable with this game right now.

I am glad I am the only one with a gun at this point.

[Autumn]

Assuming we have to specify, I would suggest:

Hoops converts Warehouse 2
Darth Vilus, Chubby and a team of 10 slaves converts Warehouse 2

CrimsonFox and a team of 6 slaves converts Warehouse 1
Simbo Klice and a team of Mauboy, Shiggles, Julio Riddols and ? converts Warehouse 1

We need a fourth member for Simbo's team, one of the security personnel I guess, or JAG?

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, do we have to specify which Warehouses we work on?
Yes. The Warehouses, Slave Pens, and Power Facilities are all separate places for purposes of conversion. For purposes of defense or attack they're 1 location.

[JAG]

It looks like we can have obe of the security crew do the action Autumn. The security crewmen have important uses for AP but most critical are their night actions. One of them can man the security HQ during the day today (say Chief Rum) and dubb can do the conversion work.

[Barkeep49]

"He's muttering." The word spreads. When you hear muttering coming from Autumn it can only mean one thing: he's planning. From the quantity of muttering you conclude he must be planning a couple of things.

[Autumn]

I kind of wish I could get Spawnified, just so after all that muttering I could come bursting out of the office and start murdering. "Oh I have a plan all right!"

[CrimsonFox]

This is going to be a lot of work converting all this stuff. We should talk about the bonus situation. WHen do we get that? :)

[Chief Rum]

Is it necessary to man the security HQ during the day?

[CrimsonFox]

"He's muttering." The word spreads. When you hear muttering coming from Autumn it can only mean one thing: he's planning. From the quantity of muttering you conclude he must be planning a couple of things.

i guess we should run before he starts ordering all this planning

[Chief Rum]

Or if it generally is necessary, is it necessary on Day One, behind a perimeter fence and before any night actions have been taken?

[PackerFanatic]

Or if it generally is necessary, is it necessary on Day One, behind a perimeter fence and before any night actions have been taken?

I would say probably not - but like you alluded to, I imagine it will be important in the future.

[Autumn]

I'm not sure, Chief. I assume the Spawn must have day actions, to necessitate a security desk thing, right?

[CrimsonFox]

And we have to convert the Security HQ before the brig and armory will work. BK is that just talking about the ship versions of these things?

Like all three work now, but the CONVERTED Brig/Armory won't work until we convert the HQ as well? And if we convert any of those pieces, will the ground versions of these still work?

[Barkeep49]

And we have to convert the Security HQ before the brig and armory will work. BK is that just talking about the ship versions of these things?

Like all three work now, but the CONVERTED Brig/Armory won't work until we convert the HQ as well? And if we convert any of those pieces, will the ground versions of these still work?

This question confuses me. For the Brig or Armory to work on the ship you must have the Security HQ, but you can convert the HQ AFTER the Brig or Armory if that's what you're asking.

[JAG]

Is it necessary to man the security HQ during the day?

It's an option for a day action (the only one security crewmen can undertake that isn't a general action available to all), so presumably there would be a reason.

[Autumn]

So I'm finally trying to understand the Spawn rules. There's a Queen, and a Council of 3 longest living Spawn. And then the rest of the spawn don't even know each other, it seems. I assume that means there's probably 3-4 spawn now, and new ones won't necessarily know who the others are. The Spawn can attack to kill. The Queen can attack to create a spawnling, which may become a Spawn.

I don't see any reason to think they can make attacks during the day, but it doesn't say precisely whether the regular spawn can or not.

[CrimsonFox]

This question confuses me. For the Brig or Armory to work on the ship you must have the Security HQ, but you can convert the HQ AFTER the Brig or Armory if that's what you're asking.


Well yes you can but it seems to me that you are saying that
Example: If you convert the Armory to the ship...then the armory will not work.
Once you convert the HQ to the ship, then the armory will work again.

But I'm not sure. Does it matter WHERE these things are for all 3 of them to work? That's what I'm not getting

[Chief Rum]

That confused me, too, CF.

[Danny]

I'm not feeling well cause I didnt sleep well, but I am thinking I should hand out a gun to someone today and then during the night I can either follow someone or protect someone.

[Danny]

I haven't read any posts yet.

[hoopsguy]

Hoping that you have some ability to safeguard the weapons if they are not being distributed.

[CrimsonFox]

I haven't read any posts yet.


That at least means you aren't confused. (And probably means you're Sp0wned)

[CrimsonFox]

Requoting this blob of shit so that I don't have to keep going back to find it.


Locations

Building A:
Warehouse 1 7 cycles required for conversion
Inaccessible
Warehouse 2 7 cycles required for conversion
Inaccessible
Warehouse 3 7 cycles required for conversion
Inaccessible
Warehouse 4 7 cycles required for conversion
0 / 40 units filled
Warehouse 5 7 cycles required for conversion
0 / 40 units filled
Water Supply – 0 units (Enough reserves for 0 days at current consumption)
Crystilium Supply – 0 units (at least 20 required for lift-off)
Slave Pens Fully Operational
Slave Pen 1 2 cycles required for conversion
4 slaves present
Slave Pen 2 2 cycles required for conversion
4 slaves present
Slave Pen 3 2 cycles required for conversion
4 slaves present
Slave Pen 4 2 cycles required for conversion
4 slaves present
Slave Pen 5 2 cycles required for conversion
4 slaves present

Building B:
Power Facilities Fully Operational
Power Facility 1 5 cycles required for conversion
Powering Building B
Power Facility 2 5 cycles required for conversion
Powering Building C
Power Facility 3 5 cycles required for conversion
Powering Building D
Power Facility 4 5 cycles required for conversion
Powering Security Fences
Power Facility 5 5 cycles required for conversion
Back-up
Water Plant Fully Operational 7 cycles required for conversion
Producing enough water for all Survivors each day

Building C:
Security HQ Fully Operational 2 cycles required for conversion
Armory Fully Operational 4 cycles required for conversion
19 phasers accounted for
Brig Fully Operational 4 cycles required for conversion
No crew being held

Building D:
Crew Quarters Fully Operational; 20 sleeping berths 10 cycles required for conversion

Medical Facilities Fully Operational 4 cycles required for conversion

Scientists’ Lab Fully Operational 2 cycles required for conversion

Officers’ Offices Fully Operational 7 cycles required for conversion

Perimeter Fence <--fixed
Fully Operational

Ship
Nothing yet converted

[CrimsonFox]

Okay So I've guessing cycles and man-cycles can be used interchangably when speaking of conversion

[Barkeep49]

Well yes you can but it seems to me that you are saying that
Example: If you convert the Armory to the ship...then the armory will not work.
Once you convert the HQ to the ship, then the armory will work again.

But I'm not sure. Does it matter WHERE these things are for all 3 of them to work? That's what I'm not getting

Yes it matters where the things are. So a converted Security HQ will help a converted Brig work. An unconverted Security HQ will not help a converted Brig work.

[Barkeep49]

Okay So I've guessing cycles and man-cycles can be used interchangably when speaking of conversion
You could also just click on the link located in post 2 for your thread reading pleasure.

[Barkeep49]

"Guys. Hey guys. Guys I don't want to be by myself. So guys I'm gonna go work on Warehouse 2. It'd be really great if one of you other engineer guys came with me and helped me. It would be so great," hoops says before going on his way to Warehouse 2.

[Darth Vilus]

I'll do it

[CrimsonFox]

bah, so taking slaves to convert only gets 3 cycles done if I take 6 slaves.
Hmmm.

[Danny]

I just read the rules. Break time before I start reading posts.

[CrimsonFox]

I can't really see us getting 2 done today really.
Hoops, if you and 2 of us engineers just work on one warehouse we will bang it out.
(2 + 2 + 2 + 1(for being with you)) = 7

[dubb93]

I would request that I be given a phaser today for use tonight.

Also, and this is a game mechanic thing. Do I need to "move" somewhere during the day? Like to a building? I'm confused on that part. Seems other people are moving about. I fear I may be standing here with a trout inserted in my rectum.

[Autumn]

Just to reiterate, I think this is what we want:

Hoops converts Warehouse 2
Darth Vilus, Chubby and a team of 10 slaves converts Warehouse 2

CrimsonFox and a team of 6 slaves converts Warehouse 1
Simbo Klice and a team of Mauboy, Shiggles, Julio Riddols and (unnamed security personnel) converts Warehouse 1

[Autumn]

I can't really see us getting 2 done today really.
Hoops, if you and 2 of us engineers just work on one warehouse we will bang it out.
(2 + 2 + 2 + 1(for being with you)) = 7

It's all figured out already, CF. If everybody followsthe plan we'll convert two.

[Chief Rum]

I would request that I be given a phaser today for use tonight.

Also, and this is a game mechanic thing. Do I need to "move" somewhere during the day? Like to a building? I'm confused on that part. Seems other people are moving about. I fear I may be standing here with a trout inserted in my rectum.

dubb, you and I are a little in limbo, I think, as Chief PF determines the best use for us in the day time. Also, I have been asking about the phaser thing and PF was waiting to hear from Danny before making decisions on that. Danny just started reading the thread, so hopefully we will get some guidance soon.

I have advocated handing out phasers to the entire security personnel group, and not even having them return them (unless it is a necessary mechanic).

[Autumn]

I think you guys should pick one Security guy to go work on Warehouse 1, underSimbo's supervision.

[Barkeep49]

"No need to worryhoops I'll help you," DV says grabbing his tools and heading to Warehouse 2.

[PackerFanatic]

dubb, you and I are a little in limbo, I think, as Chief PF determines the best use for us in the day time. Also, I have been asking about the phaser thing and PF was waiting to hear from Danny before making decisions on that. Danny just started reading the thread, so hopefully we will get some guidance soon.

I have advocated handing out phasers to the entire security personnel group, and not even having them return them (unless it is a necessary mechanic).

Sounds like the handing them back happens automatically - you keep them for the night and they they would have to be re-allocated the next day.

[Autumn]

Don't forget your slaves, Darth.

[Autumn]

I'm heading out to dinner. Be back in a couple of hours I think.

[Chief Rum]

Yes it matters where the things are. So a converted Security HQ will help a converted Brig work. An unconverted Security HQ will not help a converted Brig work.

[b]Okay, I think we got that. That converted HQ makes converted brig and armory work. And that unconverted HQ makes unconverted brig and armory work.

Plus, it makes sense that if the brig and armory are converted but the HQ is not, then the converted elements there are not available.

What I most wanted to know was the last remaining scenario: if the HQ is converted, does that make currently unconverted brig and armory unusable?

[Chief Rum]

Reposted to correctly bold:

Okay, I think we got that. That converted HQ makes converted brig and armory work. And that unconverted HQ makes unconverted brig and armory work.

Plus, it makes sense that if the brig and armory are converted but the HQ is not, then the converted elements there are not available.

What I most wanted to know was the last remaining scenario: if the HQ is converted, does that make currently unconverted brig and armory unusable?

[Chief Rum]

I think you guys should pick one Security guy to go work on Warehouse 1, underSimbo's supervision.

I will do this. I will wait 10 minutes to be sure dubb didn't just go do it, but if there is no indication he has by 3 p.m. my time, I will send in my order.

[LoneStarGirl]

I would rather not lead a group and instead convert a miner to galley master or nurse. I think that is what Autumn is proposing anyway.

[CrimsonFox]

Reposted to correctly bold:

Okay, I think we got that. That converted HQ makes converted brig and armory work. And that unconverted HQ makes unconverted brig and armory work.

Plus, it makes sense that if the brig and armory are converted but the HQ is not, then the converted elements there are not available.

What I most wanted to know was the last remaining scenario: if the HQ is converted, does that make currently unconverted brig and armory unusable?

yes that was the basis of myquestion.

[Chief Rum]

Chief PF, another addendum to the security plan: select 2-3 people/places for each "active guard" (guard on patrol that night) from which to choose to protect, and then let them use their prerogative on which of those they will protect. This will give our moves a little more covertness from the Spawn.

[Danny]

So any objections to passing Dubb the gun?

[CrimsonFox]

Don't forget your slaves, Darth.

he doesn't need slaves. If Darth and hoops work together they perform 6 cycles of work.

BK, If an engineer supervises slaves/nonengineers, then they DO NOT do any work, correct? So an engineer supervising only gets the work done from the slaves and NOT the 2 for being an engineer, right?

[CrimsonFox]

So any objections to passing Dubb the gun?


dubb with a gun hells yeah. Sure makes games more exciting :)

[Barkeep49]

Reposted to correctly bold:

Okay, I think we got that. That converted HQ makes converted brig and armory work. And that unconverted HQ makes unconverted brig and armory work.

Plus, it makes sense that if the brig and armory are converted but the HQ is not, then the converted elements there are not available.

What I most wanted to know was the last remaining scenario: if the HQ is converted, does that make currently unconverted brig and armory unusable?

No those remain usable even without the Security HQ

[PackerFanatic]

So any objections to passing Dubb the gun?

I am of the mind that only officers should hold weapons at this point - but I will let you decide that.

[Barkeep49]

he doesn't need slaves. If Darth and hoops work together they perform 6 cycles of work.

BK, If an engineer supervises slaves/nonengineers, then they DO NOT do any work, correct? So an engineer supervising only gets the work done from the slaves and NOT the 2 for being an engineer, right?

Correct. They either supervise or they do work themselves, not both.

[Chief Rum]

So any objections to passing Dubb the gun?

I beleiev Chief PF was waiting for your opinion on that? And my proposal was not just fro dubb, but for all security personnel (or at least the active ones, I guess).

Keep in mind, if the armory is damaged we will not be able to return the guns. I would presume we would also not be able to remove guns that are in the armory when it is damaged. So even if we hand phasers out to security personnel scheduled to sleep, at least they are not in the potentially vulnerable armory.

[Chief Rum]

I am of the mind that only officers should hold weapons at this point - but I will let you decide that.

[Starts to "Boooo!"... Remembers PF is his direct commanding officer... Shuts up].

[Chief Rum]

Should we start talking about our lynch?

I second Abe's earlier motion that we abstain from executing anyone on Day One.

[PackerFanatic]

I would be leary to hand out too many guns to folks that aren't cleared yet - but we do want some higher ranking folk to at least be able to defend themselves necessary

[JAG]

he doesn't need slaves. If Darth and hoops work together they perform 6 cycles of work.

BK, If an engineer supervises slaves/nonengineers, then they DO NOT do any work, correct? So an engineer supervising only gets the work done from the slaves and NOT the 2 for being an engineer, right?

Thank you, something seemed off about Autumn's plan. So we get 6 total cycles done on W2 and 7 total on W1 with the team of slaves and the team of crew converters.

[Chief Rum]

Would adding the security personnel and an officer or two get it done?

[Danny]

Only on post 170, thank god im not a captain

[Chief Rum]

I would be leary to hand out too many guns to folks that aren't cleared yet - but we do want some higher ranking folk to at least be able to defend themselves necessary

Easy to say when you're carting around a three shot phaser! ;)

[CrimsonFox]

Thank you, something seemed off about Autumn's plan. So we get 6 total cycles done on W2 and 7 total on W1 with the team of slaves and the team of crew converters.


yeah this is what I'm quoting:

Convert Building Day or Night The Chief Engineer may choose a location to convert and perform two cycles of work. If there is another Engineer repairing that system, the Chief’s expertise will allow the two Engineers to repair 6 cycles worth of work. 1 AP

That's from the Chief engineer listing. So that would just leave 1 leftover for the next day and not use so many people. Aren't you guys going to need people for away missions and mining ? We do need crystals.

Anyway I've submitted my timesheet. I'm grabbing 6 slaves and going off to convert warehouse 1

[PackerFanatic]

Easy to say when you're carting around a three shot phaser! ;)

:-D

[Chief Rum]

I will hone my low-grav jiu-jitsu moves then.

[JAG]

Should we start talking about our lynch?

I second Abe's earlier motion that we abstain from executing anyone on Day One.

For you and Abe, what is the argument for not executing? I have a reason or two now, but they're probably not similar.

[Danny]

Please stop posting while I catch up

[Chief Rum]

For you and Abe, what is the argument for not executing? I have a reason or two now, but they're probably not similar.

Based on past Spawn games and a lack of clarity in the rules, I am not certain that we are starting with Spawn.

Plus, every worker we kill, we lose that man-cycle of work going forward forever. Even the Spawn will have to do some work, because it will be obvious in most cases if they try and fake it, but don't do work.

[Danny]

Abe Sargent is pleased by the opportunity afford him and eagerly begins to read technical manuals so he will understanding how to work the trainer's equipment.

Nah, it's just a training manual cover with a copy of space juggz inside.

[Danny]

I'll try and RP my role a little more once I catch up and wrap my head around things.

[Chubby]

Thank you, something seemed off about Autumn's plan. So we get 6 total cycles done on W2 and 7 total on W1 with the team of slaves and the team of crew converters.

But if I go we can take extra slaves which was the original point, not completing 2 warehouses would be a shame imo

[Chief Rum]

Please stop posting while I catch up

This is punishment for two games ago, where you posted so much it was pretty much impossible for me to respond to anything. :)

[Danny]

Security Chief PackerFanatic, I would humbly recommend you advise Sergeant-at-Arms Danny to distribute phasers to all security personell (and only security personnell--outside of officers' needs of course).

Ah, I misunderstood when I first read my role. I thought I could only hand out a weapon to one player and they kept it, but it seems I can hand out as many as I like and they are returned later???

[Chief Rum]

Ah, I misunderstood when I first read my role. I thought I could only hand out a weapon to one player and they kept it, but it seems I can hand out as many as I like and they are returned later???

That was my understanding. Feel free to disobey the Chief and give me a phaser. ;)

J/K

[Abe Sargent]

Yep, there ya go. Abe, if the chemistry's good enough, maybe we can continue training later this evening?... ;-)

ummm.....uhhh......

[Danny]

I'm suggesting nothing, just an observation that some may have missed. Is there a 20th phaser? Is there only 19 because there is one amongst us who doesn't need a phaser?

That is interesting, one missing phaser. Perhaps there is one spawn right now who has the phaser and the others will be born over night?

[Chief Rum]

ummm.....uhhh......

I guess there's more than one way to get Spawnified in this game, eh Abe?

[Zinto]

If the plan is to execute someone today, we need to get moving on making sure we get a third of the vote on someone. The rules are different that just having the majority at nightfall is not going to do it this game.

[Danny]

While I am still catching up, in regards to a day one lynch, we do have to consider that we we want to launch as quickly as possible. Lynching a valuable worker day one could hurt us in accomplishing our launching goals.

[Zinto]

Hahah I totally missed Brit's post to Abe. Hahahha :)

[Chief Rum]

While I am still catching up, in regards to a day one lynch, we do have to consider that we we want to launch as quickly as possible. Lynching a valuable worker day one could hurt us in accomplishing our launching goals.

Yup. I was just saying the same thing up above in response to Captain JAG.

[Danny]

If we have a Galley Master, and if Danny assigns them a phaser, they can protect the Water Plant tonight also.

The security crew will have to figure out a system for protection at night to keep everyone from getting exhausted, but I'll leave that to them and they'll want some sort of randomness to it to avoid the Spawn figuring it out.

I think a good idea to this is assining a location to every security member. So, a member may have 3 locations assigned to them and then they choose which ti protect or to sleep. This keeps the spawn guessing while still allowing us to not accidently double up guard duty.

[Danny]

Yup, I already have one.

ah

[Danny]

Yup. I was just saying the same thing up above in response to Captain JAG.

Ah, Im on post 251 now, still a ways to go

[Danny]

Based on past games, not a great assumption. Amount of water found is pretty variable, and there is the potential for the spawn to sabotage a mission. If they have us at a point where we die of thirst, it is probably worth their while to do so.

It does seem like water mission today is the safe play

[Abe Sargent]

For you and Abe, what is the argument for not executing? I have a reason or two now, but they're probably not similar.

Why no lynch on D1:

We need all of the help we can get on work stuff, and I suspect that the number of spawn is either 0 or so small (maybe as low as 1; even 2 would seem excessively high when you see BK say how many areas we can be converted on and endangered by) as to make it so unlikely we would hit one a randomly that we shouldn't bother.

[Danny]

If saldana is going to investigate me anyway, then I think it also makes sense for me to lead the exhibition to get water (since we seem to be leaning this way), which frees up Autumn, LSG, and Packer to perform their role functions and gives us a scan of an away team member to make sure they didn't get converted. I guess that might depend on the timing of when the scan happens though, otherwise maybe Zinto should lead it since he's the officer we can most afford to be converted (sorry Ensign).

sounds like a good idea

[Chief Rum]

I think a good idea to this is assining a location to every security member. So, a member may have 3 locations assigned to them and then they choose which ti protect or to sleep. This keeps the spawn guessing while still allowing us to not accidently double up guard duty.

Yeah, I came up with this, too. We seem to have a lot of the same ideas, lol.

[Danny]

I'm leaning towards no vote today, by the way.

yep

[Zinto]

Luckily Danny is here to post all his normal posts over a day in just a few minutes ;)

[Danny]

Yeah, I came up with this, too. We seem to have a lot of the same ideas, lol.

That's fairly reassuring. I do get a good vibe from you thus far and you have presented a lot of well reasoned posts already in where I am at in my reading.

[britrock88]

Have we talked at all about what facilities/people are most important for the security to guard? With the number of rooms and roled players in the game, this would seem important. At the same time, Chief might have been alluding to just that in 451, and maybe PF is on top of things already.

Other than that, carry on efficiently converting warehouses.

[Danny]

I agree that LSG or I should lead the team instead of Jag. There is no reason to risk a conversion of our captain on day one regardless of him being scanned when we have enough people to carry out tasks without him.

I'll have to read Saldana's ability again to see if it is worth the risk. You are probably right though.

[Danny]

Sorry, CR - I had seen this and wasn't ignoring it. I wanted to give Danny a chance to check-in before giving him work.

I think me giving out phasers is the best use of my 1 daytime AP.

[Danny]

The team comes back from their water mission. "Considering we didn't have any planning," Zinto explains as the water goes through the filter, "We did well, maybe even pretty well, for ourselves. Definitely could have been better though."

After a few moments of anticipation you learn the team got 23 units of water.

Nice, that's a good haul

[Danny]

Alright, all caught up, whew!

[CrimsonFox]

That was my understanding. Feel free to disobey the Chief and give me a phaser. ;)

J/K


um....disobey YOU and give YOU a phaser? :confused:

[Danny]

So, right now, I am thinking I will give phasers out to all officers and security personal. I will then assign each security personnel a number of locations that they can choose to protect is so desired.

In general, I am leaning toward protecting locations and going exhausted as I think if we get an early push on getting ready for launch that will put the spawn into reaction mode.

[CrimsonFox]

We have a ton of work to do to get off this GOdforsaken rock.
And we need all the people we have. Day one will be a villager kill for sure as usual.

From other spawn games it seemed clear that spawn candidates were quickly narrowed down from within specific groups who did specific activities.

Chief mentioned he wasn't sure there were any spawn in our group yet. Well that seems unlikely but I wouldn't be surprised if there were only 1 actually.

vote No execute

[Chief Rum]

um....disobey YOU and give YOU a phaser? :confused:

I am Chief. Not A Chief.

[CrimsonFox]

I am Chief. Not A Chief.


You and YOU and not a YOU? (Baaaaaa-a-a-a-a-a-ahh) :D

[Danny]

vote no execute

[Chief Rum]

I have been advoating it, but not voting, so I will get that out of the way now.

VOTE NO EXECUTE

[Chief Rum]

*advocating

[dubb93]

Wheres my damn gun at Danny?

[dubb93]

I got people and/or things to shoot and/or protect.

[dubb93]

Who's idea is this no execute garbage?

[Danny]

Hold, formulating a plan now

[Danny]

Formulating a plan now.

It looks like Slavemaster is the same as warden.

[saldana]

ok, so the scan of JAG came up clean.

i suggest that if one of the officers has an action point left, promote someone to Warden, then the warden can put the captain and myself in the brig, and one security officer can guard us both...we can get a solid 4 people in there each night, all of whom have been cleared, and then have us released each morning.

also, i concur with the concept of no execution today...the most important thing right now is getting off the planet.

vote no execute

[CrimsonFox]

ok, so the scan of JAG came up clean.

i suggest that if one of the officers has an action point left, promote someone to Warden, then the warden can put the captain and myself in the brig, and one security officer can guard us both...we can get a solid 4 people in there each night, all of whom have been cleared, and then have us released each morning.

also, i concur with the concept of no execution today...the most important thing right now is getting off the planet.

vote no execute

Interesting plan. So how does that clear people in the brig? If they aren't dead/spawn in the morning? Do we actually know when people are converted?

[dubb93]

i suggest that if one of the officers has an action point left, promote someone to Warden, then the warden can put the captain and myself in the brig, and one security officer can guard us both...we can get a solid 4 people in there each night, all of whom have been cleared, and then have us released each morning.


I can't say I'm a huge fan of this plan. Any random group of 4 has a good chance to produce a potential spawn methinks.

Also I'm not sure YOU are clear at this point.

In the past I've seen doctors pull people in to infect as well as doctors get infected by those they pull in.

One bad apple in that brig would be game over for us methinks. Excuse me if I haven't seen enough yet to blindly trust 4 people with the fate of the game.

[Darth Vilus]

Vote No Execute

[CrimsonFox]

Assuming we have to specify, I would suggest:

Hoops converts Warehouse 2
Darth Vilus, Chubby and a team of 10 slaves converts Warehouse 2

CrimsonFox and a team of 6 slaves converts Warehouse 1
Simbo Klice and a team of Mauboy, Shiggles, Julio Riddols and ? converts Warehouse 1

We need a fourth member for Simbo's team, one of the security personnel I guess, or JAG?


Ah okay NOW I finally see where you were coming from. So many rules!

But here are the rules I think you were using:
Away Teams
Each day all officers and the Slave Master may lead an away team (the Slave Master may only lead an away team made up completely of slaves). There may be more than 1 away team each day. A crew member, if asked, must go on away team if they have the action points to do so.


An away team must be designated as an:
*Exploration mission (Gives a bonus to a future type of mission; Must always be a planned away team)
*Mining mission (Harvests Crystlium)
*Water mission (Finds water)
*Other type of mission (As offered by the GM)

Supervise Slaves Day or Night The Slave Master may choose to supervise the work of slaves along with an Engineer performing the Supervise Conversion action. The Slave Master may supervise an additional 4 slaves. 1 AP


So Darth and Chubby supervising 10 slaves = 5 points and hoops gives us 2 for 7

Sure. If know one else is using people and slaves for away missions and they'd be wasted otherwise why not. Granted Darth and Chubby and hoops would all have to submit the correct orders for that to happen.

Anyway like I said I already grabbed my 6 slaves and filled out the proper requisions and am on my way to WH1. If your above plan doesn't happen Autumn, it's okay. It would mean 6 cycles have been done on 1 and one of us can either bang it out tonight or tomorrow.

[CrimsonFox]

I can't say I'm a huge fan of this plan. Any random group of 4 has a good chance to produce a potential spawn methinks.

Also I'm not sure YOU are clear at this point.

In the past I've seen doctors pull people in to infect as well as doctors get infected by those they pull in.

One bad apple in that brig would be game over for us methinks. Excuse me if I haven't seen enough yet to blindly trust 4 people with the fate of the game.

I do think we need a medic too so that we have more than one healer in the group. Are there nurses too?

[saldana]

Interesting plan. So how does that clear people in the brig? If they aren't dead/spawn in the morning? Do we actually know when people are converted?

it doesnt clear the people in the brig...you only put people that have been cleared into the brig

I can't say I'm a huge fan of this plan. Any random group of 4 has a good chance to produce a potential spawn methinks.

Also I'm not sure YOU are clear at this point.

In the past I've seen doctors pull people in to infect as well as doctors get infected by those they pull in.

One bad apple in that brig would be game over for us methinks. Excuse me if I haven't seen enough yet to blindly trust 4 people with the fate of the game.

fair point about me, but here is the thing...if i am clear (which i am) and i clear the captain, (which i did) and you put us in the brig, then tomorrow add whomever i scan, and the day after we add the 4th, that is not a random group of 4

and if i were a spawn and i was bringing people in and mutating them instead of scanning them, or faking and then mutating them at night in the brig, then i am still in the brig with 3 other spawn every night instead of out mutating anyone else.

[CrimsonFox]

it doesnt clear the people in the brig...you only put people that have been cleared into the brig


But you aren't cleared. And if you aren't cleared then really that means Jag isn't either :(.

[CrimsonFox]

and if i were a spawn and i was bringing people in and mutating them instead of scanning them, or faking and then mutating them at night in the brig, then i am still in the brig with 3 other spawn every night instead of out mutating anyone else.


Hooray! You used my word! :D

[saldana]

Excuse me if I haven't seen enough yet to blindly trust 4 people with the fate of the game.

dola, and not for nothing, but you dont ever trust anyone, regardless of what you have seen, LOL;)

[LoneStarGirl]

ok, so the scan of JAG came up clean.

i suggest that if one of the officers has an action point left, promote someone to Warden, then the warden can put the captain and myself in the brig, and one security officer can guard us both...we can get a solid 4 people in there each night, all of whom have been cleared, and then have us released each morning.

also, i concur with the concept of no execution today...the most important thing right now is getting off the planet.

vote no execute

Unless I read wrong, Jag and I are the only ones that can promote, correct?

[saldana]

But you aren't cleared. And if you aren't cleared then really that means Jag isn't either :(.

this is correct...but if i am a spawn, at least i will be in the brig...and unfortunately, there is no way to verify me, which is what dubb is concerned about...i believe it was Vince that was a spawn doctor in the first game who wrecked shop by bringing in his exam patients and converting them, so there i am not gonna take it personally that there is doubt...it is not unprecedented.

[LoneStarGirl]

I think we need a medic or nurse pretty soon.

[CrimsonFox]

this is correct...but if i am a spawn, at least i will be in the brig...and unfortunately, there is no way to verify me, which is what dubb is concerned about...i believe it was Vince that was a spawn doctor in the first game who wrecked shop by bringing in his exam patients and converting them, so there i am not gonna take it personally that there is doubt...it is not unprecedented.


dissection will verify you ;)

[Danny]

Phasers Given to

Jag, Autumn, LonestarGirl, Zinto, Packerfanatic, Danny, Chief Rum, Chubby and Dubb


Protect Plan

Danny: Water Plant, Warehouses & Brig

Chief Rum: Perimeter Fence and Medical Facilities, Officers’ Offices

PackerFanatic Armory & Scientists Lab

Dubb: Power Facilities & Crew Quarters

Chubby: Security Headquartes and Slave Pens

[saldana]

Phasers Given to

Jag, Autumn, LonestarGirl, Zinto, Packerfanatic, Danny, Chief Rum, Chubby and Dubb


Protect Plan

Danny: Water Plant, Warehouses & Brig

Chief Rum: Perimeter Fence and Medical Facilities, Officers’ Offices

PackerFanatic Armory & Scientists Lab

Dubb: Power Facilities & Crew Quarters

Chubby: Security Headquartes and Slave Pens

unless i am reading things wrong, i dont understand this plan...if you use one person to man the security HQ, no one can attack the slave pens, crew quarters, armory or brig, so why are we using 4 people to protect those locations individually, and not assigning anyone to protect any individual people?

[Danny]

It's just a general assignment. Obviously that means for example that Chubby would protect security headquarters, dubb facilities, Packer scientists lab, chief his choice and me plant or warehouse.

[saldana]

dissection will verify you ;)

so would the empath, but we dont know if we have one of those or not.

[Danny]

I do believe protecting locations is far more important than people at this point, especially since the bonus we get in protecting a location is bigger

[Barkeep49]

Quite enjoying the sound of the whip in the air, Crimson takes 6 slaves with him to convert Warehouse 1.

[Danny]

I gave the phaser order

[Chubby]

It's just a general assignment. Obviously that means for example that Chubby would protect security headquarters, dubb facilities, Packer scientists lab, chief his choice and me plant or warehouse.

how would i do this?

[PackerFanatic]

I also don't feel that posting the locations we intend to protect is a particularly good idea. Maybe giving all those people a list of a couple to choose from, so there is a little randomness to it.

[PackerFanatic]

Chubby - you just PM BK with your action.

[Danny]

I also don't feel that posting the locations we intend to protect is a particularly good idea. Maybe giving all those people a list of a couple to choose from, so there is a little randomness to it.

I did that.

[dubb93]

Am I missing the part in the rules where Danny thinks he can tell me what to protect?

[Danny]

how would i do this?

That's one of your abilities.

[Barkeep49]

Seeing the good work being done in Warehouse 1, Chief starts to head that way to do work hoping that there will be an engineer to supervise him.

Meanwhile, Danny posts a list of people who should report to the Armory to pick-up weapons before heading off for the night:
Jag, Autumn, LonestarGirl, Zinto, Packerfanatic, Danny, Chief Rum, Chubby and Dubb

[Chubby]

Chubby - you just PM BK with your action.

my point being, I don't see that as an option in the rules unless I'm missing something. I believe i can only guard the slave pens which is pointless if someone is manning the security HQ

[dubb93]

Meanwhile, Danny posts a list of people who should report to the Armory to pick-up weapons before heading off for the night:

Sweet! Thanks for the gun Danny. I shall use this gun to kill Saldana. That should give us a solid read on the captain. Make it so Barkeep!

[Chubby]

That's one of your abilities.

Slave Master (1 AP per cycle)

Protect Slave Pens Night Only The Slave Master may guard the Slave Pens at night. If there is an attack he will receive a bonus, if armed. This is slightly less effective than regular protect.1 AP

Execute Slave Day or Night The Slave Master may choose a specific slave to be executed. That slave is immediately killed. 1 AP

Supervise Slaves Day or Night The Slave Master may choose to supervise the work of slaves along with an Engineer performing the Supervise Conversion action. The Slave Master may supervise an additional 4 slaves. 1 AP

:confused:

[CrimsonFox]

SUMMARY Since the last one

Main Discussions:
Posts 352 on - Discussions about warehouses and building conversion, how they work, and various computations regarding who to send.. Barkeep answers lots of Q's about those.(Crimson, Autumn, ChiefRum, Barkeep, hoops)
Posts 387 on - Discussions about who to give guns to (dubb, ChiefRum, Packarfan
Misc - Lonestargirl ponders the different roles she can assign people to, including galleymaster, nurse, warden, medic.
Post 431 on - Whether we execute today and the several merits against it. Plus a brig plan from saldana.(Zinto, Abe, Danny, CrimsonFox, Chief RUm, dubb, , saldanadarth
Jag discusses away missions and coordinating with dr scans
435 on - Danny and Chief Rum have idea about assigning security members to partcular places
Post 477 - Danny decides phaser distribution and discusses protection plans.


Things that happen:
Post 353 - Dr. Saldana examines JAG (cue sax music) - Later comes back "clean" according to the doctor
Post 382 - Chief Engineer hoops takes tools and goes to work on converting Warehouse 2
Post 392 - Engineer DV takes his tools and goes to help hoops convert warehouse 2
Post 482 - Engineer CrimsonFox takes 6 Slaves and goes to convert Warehouse 1

[Chief Rum]

Recap of key posts from Post #338-471

--Doctor saldana checks out Captain JAG, and judging from BK's description, saldana is satisfied JAG is clean. saldana confirms in later post. #353 & #463

--BK responds to Autumn's question to note that locations are specifically identified (Warehouse 1, Warehouse 2, etc.) #358

--Autumn appears to be planning tomorrow's mission, per BK's post. #360

--Captain JAG notes that guarding the security HQ is the only day action for security crewmen, suggesting this may be a necessary action to consider going forward. #370

--BK explains how a converted/unconverted HQ affects a converted/unconverted brig anf armory. #380 & #405

--hoops goes off to convert Warehouse 2. #382

--DV follows hoops to convert Warehouse 2. #392

--Chief and Danny suggest a plan for the nightly security rotation. #401 & #435

--Security Chief PF wants guns to go to officers, but allows Sergeant at Arms Danny to decide.#406

--BK confirms that engineers either supervise or they do work, not both. #407

--Security crewman Chief Rum and Trainer in training Abe Sargent explain reasons for no execute vote at Captain JAG's request. #421 & #439

--Danny suggests how he will likely handle his part in gun distribution and contributes to security plan. #451

--No execute votes-- CF (#452), Danny (#455), Chief Rum (#456), saldana (#463), DV (#466)

--saldana suggests using Brig to keep cleared individuals clean. #463

--Danny distributes guns to officers and security personnel; sets out security plan. #477

--CF goes to Warehouse 1 with 6 slaves. #482

[hoopsguy]

I am of the mind that only officers should hold weapons at this point - but I will let you decide that.

There is no assurance that an officer is less likely to be a Spawn that non-officer. I think if we are going to selectively pass out guns the focus should be on cleared vs non-cleared rather than officer vs non-officer.

Also, don't we want all of our security personnel to be armed since they get a bonus to prevent attacks if they have a weapon? I thought that everyone got some bonus in the past, but that might be my memory playing tricks on me since I could not find this in the rules.

[Chief Rum]

lol...that sucks. Hope we both get credit.

[Chubby]

no execute

i haven't seen a compelling case to vote otherwise

[PackerFanatic]

Good point Chubby - I missed that. Then you can only protect the Slave Pens.

And Dubb - he is just giving general direction. Only I could actually order you to do that, you're more than welcome to go off on your own...but I am sure it wouldn't be taken lightly ;)

[CrimsonFox]

LOL I was first! hahaha!