WW CXLIX SPAWN IV - GAME OVER (Post 3845)

[JAG]

Also, will have to look back, but there were people who were suggesting other people besides dubb to be scanned, that might be a way to go for future days.

[Autumn]

Bummer we didn't get to cure Dubb. I've got to head out for a meeting. I'll be back in a couple hours. Should we kill Dubb now, or continue looking for the real Spawn? I think perhaps we will get better vote history out of continuing looking elsewhere today. I have an idea of how we could deal with Dubb in the meantime.

[Chubby]

Bummer we didn't get to cure Dubb. I've got to head out for a meeting. I'll be back in a couple hours. Should we kill Dubb now, or continue looking for the real Spawn? I think perhaps we will get better vote history out of continuing looking elsewhere today. I have an idea of how we could deal with Dubb in the meantime.

Is saldana cleared so this is 100%?

[dubb93]

Is saldana cleared so this is 100%?

Saldana is NOT cleared. But I have no reason to suspect he is lieing about my condition. Would be a poor trade off, spawn doctor, for lowly crewman.

[Autumn]

Since Dubb is the one who suggested he was infected, I don't see any reason to think this is a fakeout. Dubb would have no reason to try to get a Spawn Saldana into pretending Dubb was infected.

[hoopsguy]

so does that explains the brig not being operational? clearly, your work should have affected only Building C; correct?

I think other have assumed, and I'm making that same assumption, that converting the unit for ship instead of land is partially impacting the resources associated with it (brig, armory, security HQ). But I don't have any specific PM knowledge that tells me that, and to the best of my knowledge this is our first time working on converting one of the Power Facilities so we won't be able to validate that assumption until doing additional work on one of the remaining 4 (3.5, technically).

[JAG]

so does that explains the brig not being operational? clearly, your work should have affected only Building C; correct?

I checked this first thing today and yes, partial conversion of that power facility making a building in its area inoperative makes sense.

[hoopsguy]

Saldana is NOT cleared. But I have no reason to suspect he is lieing about my condition. Would be a poor trade off, spawn doctor, for lowly crewman.

Working through his decision tree:
If good, Saldana gives accurate results.
If bad, Saldana can either:
- give wrong result, allow Dubb to become Spawn, and open up risk of 2:1 spawn catch later in game if Dubb is checked/killed through other means
- give this result, although he did not actually try to "cure" Dubb

[Chubby]

I checked this first thing today and yes, partial conversion of that power facility making a building in its area inoperative makes sense.

how would, let's just throw out there, spawn attacking the power facilities as a whole affect things?

[Chubby]

ok, i got clarified what I wanted from BK so I'm cool with hoops

[saldana]

So Saldana, you had a chance to cure him during the examination but it failed?

Yes...I made an attempt and it failed

[Chubby]

Working through his decision tree:
If good, Saldana gives accurate results.
If bad, Saldana can either:
- give wrong result, allow Dubb to become Spawn, and open up risk of 2:1 spawn catch later in game if Dubb is checked/killed through other means
- give this result, although he did not actually try to "cure" Dubb

saldana doesn't have any heat on her so I don't see a spawnling sacrifice here either

who else should we look at in addition to dubb? i'm not a fan of clearcut runaways this early in a game

[JAG]

Ok, dubb is obviously not manning the HQ. I would like Packer to do that and Chief Rum to do the conversion work in the crew quarters.

[Abe Sargent]

Vote dubb

[dubb93]

Well, I would request you guys focus on the "real spawn" today and give Sal another shot to cure me tomorrow. I would also be willing to man the HQ. I'm still human, don't forget that.

[JAG]

Well, I would request you guys focus on the "real spawn" today and give Sal another shot to cure me tomorrow. I would also be willing to man the HQ. I'm still human, don't forget that.

So that he can die if you turn into a spawn? I'll pass on that, thanks.

[dubb93]

So that he can die if you turn into a spawn? I'll pass on that, thanks.

Alright, I will take my death. It is what the spawn wanted. They wanted a game where I wasn't playing my role. Seems they will get it.

[hoopsguy]

Spawnling Attack

A successful spawnling attack causes a person to become infected and (surprise) become a spawnling. A spawnling attack starts with a 70% chance of success. For each person who joins the attack, up to three, there is an additional 25% chance of success. A spawnling attack increases the chance that all spawns will become exhausted, especially those spawns who participate in a Spawnling Attack. Otherwise Spawnling attacks follow the rules for General Attacks.

Putting this up for reference, coming back to it after I'm done with this phone call.

[Chubby]

Alright, I will take my death. It is what the spawn wanted. They wanted a game where I wasn't playing my role. Seems they will get it.

which is what?

[Julio Riddols]

interesting events have transpired.

unvote hoops

[dubb93]

which is what?

It's public. Not hard to figure out :)

[Chief Rum]

It is interesting that Dubb spyed on Saldana night one and now wants Saldana to clear him. Certainly improbable, but something to watch out for at some point that a Dubb / Saldana combo could be trying to weasel into a circle of trust.

A conspiracy of that sort would then need to include me, because I corroborated dubb's account. I, too, watched over saldana that night.

[Chubby]

It's public. Not hard to figure out :)

oh, i thought you were implying a secret role

[Chief Rum]

Dubb already claimed he fired the phaser. I am pretty sure I heard a phaser shot.

This one went over your head. ;)

[JAG]

saldana, I think hoops and autumn are excellent choices to inspect today.

Hoops moreso than autumn.

Spawnling Attack

A successful spawnling attack causes a person to become infected and (surprise) become a spawnling. A spawnling attack starts with a 70% chance of success. For each person who joins the attack, up to three, there is an additional 25% chance of success. A spawnling attack increases the chance that all spawns will become exhausted, especially those spawns who participate in a Spawnling Attack. Otherwise Spawnling attacks follow the rules for General Attacks.

Putting this up for reference, coming back to it after I'm done with this phone call.

Yes, we have confirmation this happened now. I think it makes sense to put people who were exhausted last night under the microscope.

[dubb93]

Any away missions today?

[JAG]

Those tag-on posts were people suggesting scans other than dubb. Danny initially mentioned hoops but then changed to dubb as the best option for today, Julio did eventually also.

[Chief Rum]

Spawnling Attack

A successful spawnling attack causes a person to become infected and (surprise) become a spawnling. A spawnling attack starts with a 70% chance of success. For each person who joins the attack, up to three, there is an additional 25% chance of success. A spawnling attack increases the chance that all spawns will become exhausted, especially those spawns who participate in a Spawnling Attack. Otherwise Spawnling attacks follow the rules for General Attacks.

Putting this up for reference, coming back to it after I'm done with this phone call.

Okay, the implication here is that dubb's attacker could be exhausted. But it seems that Spawn don't automatically become exhausted when they stay up or when they attack.

[Simbo Klice]

It is interesting that Dubb spyed on Saldana night one and now wants Saldana to clear him. Certainly improbable, but something to watch out for at some point that a Dubb / Saldana combo could be trying to weasel into a circle of trust.

Alright, work order submitted.
I'm leaning towards wanting to lynch dubb, half a bird in the hand is probably worth whatever's in the bushes at this point.

[Chief Rum]

Ok, dubb is obviously not manning the HQ. I would like Packer to do that and Chief Rum to do the conversion work in the crew quarters.

Will do, Cappy.

[saldana]

Well, I would request you guys focus on the "real spawn" today and give Sal another shot to cure me tomorrow. I would also be willing to man the HQ. I'm still human, don't forget that.

But if you evolve overnight and I re examine you tomorrow, then I die

[Chief Rum]

VOTE EXECUTE DUBB

[dubb93]

I suspect it was Danny that I shot at last night, but that is just a gut feeling.

The more I think about it the more sense it makes for them to go after security.

1. We are expected to be exhausted. Won't raise alarms after a spawn attack.

2. We can ID them with the spy command, possibly kill them with the protect command, and royally screw them up with the guard command.

[Simbo Klice]

Must have forgotten to take that multi-quote tab off when I was going through earlier. I was going to say that if it came out as a clear it could have been a fake play for trust, but that has proven not to be the case.

[hoopsguy]

Agree that we should be looking at the people who are exhausted. And that includes me.

So I guess the question on Dubb is vote him off now as a spawnling or tomorrow as a spawn (assuming one day incubation).

[dubb93]

VOTE EXECUTE DUBB

Don't give up on me Chief!

I suspect the spawn want early votes in on me too, FWIW. They don't want to be on the wrong side of this. They have nothing to gain from me at this point. They will be quick to cut ties with me.

I also suspect the spawn, particularly those on the council who may have known I was infected, would have wanted me to NOT be scanned either so I could evolve and the whole thing could be forgotten about in two days.

So if anyone fits that bill, didn't want me scanned, now tossing me under the bus. They are most likely a high ranking spawn.

[Simbo Klice]

Agree that we should be looking at the people who are exhausted. And that includes me.

So I guess the question on Dubb is vote him off now as a spawnling or tomorrow as a spawn (assuming one day incubation).

Will he be able to do anything tonight based on past games? If not, then I could see a case for going that way.

[Barkeep49]

Chief Rum, Simbo, and six slaves <s>walk into a bar</s> head down to the Crew Quarters to do some work.

[Zinto]

Yeah if Dubb is not going to cause any problems tonight then not voting him out today would not be a bad plan, since we can always take care of him tomorrow.

[Barkeep49]

dubb takes up post in the Security HQ.

[hoopsguy]

Will he be able to do anything tonight based on past games? If not, then I could see a case for going that way.

Yeah if Dubb is not going to cause any problems tonight then not voting him out today would not be a bad plan, since we can always take care of him tomorrow.

I'm assuming BK won't share order of operations for night actions, so we can't really make an informed decision on this.

I'll ask the question anyway, with low expectations for a conclusive answer:
BK - hypothetically, if a Spawnling were to convert during the night cycle would they have an option to also take a night action as a Spawn?

[JAG]

dubb takes up post in the Security HQ.

Packer could override this I believe (rules aren't totally clear), but we don't have another person to man the HQ unless we don't want Danny to give out guns.

[Barkeep49]

I'm assuming BK won't share order of operations for night actions, so we can't really make an informed decision on this.

I'll ask the question anyway, with low expectations for a conclusive answer:
BK - hypothetically, if a Spawnling were to convert during the night cycle would they have an option to also take a night action as a Spawn?
You are correct, no conclusive answer will be given.

[hoopsguy]

If I had to guess, the Spawn conversion would be his night activity and he wouldn't be able to hurt us. Assuming there are no daytime Spawn activities we could take a shot at someone else tonight and just lock in on Dubb tonight.

There is even a chance Dubb could help defend against some other Spawn action before he is turned.

I'm just not 100% sure the risk is worth the reward if we are going to 100% vote him tomorrow anyway.

[Danny]

This one went over your head. ;)

ok, lol

[dubb93]

The play here, Hoops, is to cure me tomorrow. Not kill me tomorrow.

[Danny]

Hoops is someone I think would go after converting Dubb.

[Danny]

I will send out guns now. I was waiting for dubbs scan result. He does not get a gun today

[Julio Riddols]

If you want me to guard stuff, throw me a gun too.

[Barkeep49]

Tonight's phasers, care of your friendly Sargent-at-Arms Danny go to Saldana, Jag, Autumn, LonestarGirl, Zinto, Packerfanatic, Danny, Chief Rum, Chubby and Julio.

[dubb93]

Vote Danny Execute

[Danny]

Vote Danny Execute

Yeah, great move there :rolleyes:

[dubb93]

Yeah, great move there :rolleyes:

I'm not a spawn, quit treating me like one. Infancy, it is quite clear that I am not currently a spawn.

[Danny]

I'm not a spawn, quit treating me like one. Infancy, it is quite clear that I am not currently a spawn.

Yes, you are not a spawn at the moment, but would I give a spawnling a gun?

[Danny]

why

[saldana]

Just want to say, this is werewolf...we caught a wolf...the object of the game is to kill wolves...I will not risk my life tomorrow to rexamine dubb...if he evolves I am dead, plus who knows what kind of a private role he might get. Letting him live is a mistake.

[dubb93]

It isn't about the gun.

It's about you being exhausted, confirmed to be in the area of the ship I was attacked in, not wanting me scanned today, wanting me dead once I was scanned, and then got giving me a gun in the meantime to perform my role as security.

[dubb93]

Just want to say, this is werewolf...we caught a wolf...the object of the game is to kill wolves...I will not risk my life tomorrow to rexamine dubb...if he evolves I am dead, plus who knows what kind of a private role he might get. Letting him live is a mistake.

Ofcourse you won't. That would require you to actually be a doctor.

[dubb93]

I'm done.

Kill me. Lose a security crewman and eat my private role too.

[Danny]

It isn't about the gun.

It's about you being exhausted, confirmed to be in the area of the ship I was attacked in, not wanting me scanned today, wanting me dead once I was scanned, and then got giving me a gun in the meantime to perform my role as security.

You are freaking nuts. I specifically posted that you should be scanned today. Twice actually. And I never posted anything about wanting you dead and my vote isn't even on you.

The ship thing is fair, but I would have risked the fact that if Autumn did not actually sleep all night, I would be screwed and caught in a lie as a spawn.

[Chief Rum]

I am going to let this discussion play out a little bit before committing. But that doesn't mean the vote doesn't end up back here.

UNVOTE EXECUTE DUBB

[Danny]

Keep in mind though, the officers and security personnel have been given weapons each night, so they may be not a first choice in conversion at this point.

Dubb is still probably the smartest choice because we know he had interaction with spawn last night.

...

[Danny]

I was mistaken though, I only said it once. I certainly never said not to scan you though.

[Danny]

I am going to let this discussion play out a little bit before committing. But that doesn't mean the vote doesn't end up back here.

UNVOTE EXECUTE DUBB

I am afraid the show is over. I am going to go get some lunch and relax in the pool

[Autumn]

Here's the deal.

I am a Vigilante. I can make an attack at night. So let me kill Dubb tonight, and let's continue on with voting, with this additional info about Dubb in hand. With the phaser I have a very good chance of killing him, and we can avoid a runaway lynch.

[saldana]

Here's the deal.

I am a Vigilante. I can make an attack at night. So let me kill Dubb tonight, and let's continue on with voting, with this additional info about Dubb in hand. With the phaser I have a very good chance of killing him, and we can avoid a runaway lynch.

again, we are playing werewolf...i dont understand wanting to trade a wolf for a shot in the dark

[Danny]

i trust autumn right now and agree that is a good plan/

[saldana]

Ofcourse you won't. That would require you to actually be a doctor.

like you would vote to spare me if the situation was reversed...thats a good one...and you would risk your life to save mine...HAHA, is your secret role a stand up comedian?

[Autumn]

again, we are playing werewolf...i dont understand wanting to trade a wolf for a shot in the dark

A shot in the dark? We kill the wolf and get to try to lynch someone else who created the wolf. This isn't a crap shoot, it's a 2 for 1 special.

[Autumn]

Replace the 2 for 1 special with a metaphor htat parallels the shot in the dark metaphor please.

[saldana]

Replace the 2 for 1 special with a metaphor htat parallels the shot in the dark metaphor please.

the only other vote i would entertain would be Danny, since he was in the same area last night, but i would rather just kill dubb and then scan Danny tomorrow.

[dubb93]

Here's the deal.

I am a Vigilante. I can make an attack at night. So let me kill Dubb tonight, and let's continue on with voting, with this additional info about Dubb in hand. With the phaser I have a very good chance of killing him, and we can avoid a runaway lynch.

I must warn you I will not "allow" you to simply kill me.

[dubb93]

the only other vote i would entertain would be Danny, since he was in the same area last night, but i would rather just kill dubb and then scan Danny tomorrow.

Or you could not be such a square and just cure me tomorrow.

[Autumn]

the only other vote i would entertain would be Danny, since he was in the same area last night, but i would rather just kill dubb and then scan Danny tomorrow.

Well, if you think Danny and Dubb are the only bad guys in the game, that's great. The rest of us are going to keep playing.

I just don't get this. This isn't putting him off until tomorrow. This is, he's dead, he just doesn't know it. Let's move on.

[dubb93]

Saldana must be scared of the impending malpractice suit. Most doctors would like to see their screw-ups go away, but I think this is a little ridiculous.

[saldana]

Well, if you think Danny and Dubb are the only bad guys in the game, that's great. The rest of us are going to keep playing.

I just don't get this. This isn't putting him off until tomorrow. This is, he's dead, he just doesn't know it. Let's move on.

that is hardly what i said!

i said that we have a SPAWN...why would we follow someone's gut or hunch or hair standing up on the back of their neck about someone else when we can accomplish two things by lynching dubb.

1. get rid of a spawn
2. verify me

anyone that wants me to re examine him tomorrow should go see the ship psychologist...putting the seer in a spot where he is likely to die is not the best strategy in werewolf...killing wolves on the other hand is a pretty sound strategy.

[Autumn]

that is hardly what i said!

i said that we have a SPAWN...why would we follow someone's gut or hunch or hair standing up on the back of their neck about someone else when we can accomplish two things by lynching dubb.

1. get rid of a spawn
2. verify me

anyone that wants me to re examine him tomorrow should go see the ship psychologist...putting the seer in a spot where he is likely to die is not the best strategy in werewolf...killing wolves on the other hand is a pretty sound strategy.

Because we accomplish the same two things by having me kill him. We'll get rid of him, find out if your scan was valid, and we'll also get to have a real lynch.

[Autumn]

You seem to be arguing with Dubb, not me. I don't want to keep Dubb alive to scan him again.

[Julio Riddols]

Who else should we vote for then, autumn?

[dubb93]

anyone that wants me to re examine him tomorrow should go see the ship psychologist...putting the seer in a spot where he is likely to die is not the best strategy in werewolf...killing wolves on the other hand is a pretty sound strategy.

This is cute. You think you are the seer.

[Autumn]

I would like to see who else people think are good votes. We have people who didn't want to scan Dubb, people who were exhausted last night. And other targets from earlier in the day. Simbo is still a possibility from yesterday, I am voting CF. I see several other good targets.

[Autumn]

Who else should we vote for then, autumn?

Whoever you want to vote for.

[Autumn]

Pretend you voted nightfall, and Dubb is dead, and proceed.

[Autumn]

Schmidty: Highest level of research
*Britrock: Highest level of research

*saldana: Investigate Dubb

Danny: Pass out weapons

*CrimsonFox: Investigate what's wrong with the fence

*Hoopsguy: Lead team of 5 to convert crew quarters
*Hoopsguy: reroute power from backup to areas covered by facility 2
*Autumn - convert crew quarters
Zinto - convert crew quarters
PackerFanatic - convert crew quarters
*Chief Rum - convert crew quarters
*Julio Riddols - convert crew quarters

*Simbo Klice: lead slave team to convert crew quarters
Chubby: Lead slave team to work with Simbo on crew quarters

*Darth Vilus: repair perimeter fence

*Abe: Train Shiggles to be a doctor

*Dubb: Man Security HQ

*Shiggles: Training with Abe

JAG: ?

Lonestargirl: ?

If you don't have an asterisk next to your name, please get to work! Do we want LSG to reassign somebody?

[Chubby]

sent

[Danny]

Do you guys really think I would have been on the public report if I were converting someone?

[Abe Sargent]

Heading out to dinner to celebrate entrance + scholarship - see all ya'lls laters

[saldana]

Heading out to dinner to celebrate entrance + scholarship - see all ya'lls laters

congratulations Abe...very happy for you.

[Shiggles]

up to page 30 now, gotta keep readin. My question is, who has been scanned so far by saldana?

[saldana]

This is cute. You think you are the seer.

i caught you, didnt i.

[britrock88]

up to page 30 now, gotta keep readin. My question is, who has been scanned so far by saldana?

JAG on Day 1, PF yesterday, dubb today.

[Autumn]

Anyone have a vote count?

[Barkeep49]

Heading out to dinner to celebrate entrance + scholarship - see all ya'lls laters
This is great news for you. I hope you have a great dinner.

[britrock88]

So what I'm interested in is the discrepancy of explanations when dubb and saldana first emerged from the exam-- dubb said something to the effect of "saldana took a look at me and walked out," while saldana stated something like "i did what i could, but it didn't work." Thoughts?

[Shiggles]

And i just found out i've been trained potentially, does that also mean i am not actionless? or am i still able to do something, up to page 31 lol, almost there

[Barkeep49]

Chubby leads out a slave team to help with converting the Crew Quarters.

[dubb93]

i caught you, didnt i.

I guess, if you mean you are getting a villager killed. Your whole job was to cure me. You failed.

If you really think you are a seer then LOL. Seriously, you die the second you actually catch a spawn.

[saldana]

So what I'm interested in is the discrepancy of explanations when dubb and saldana first emerged from the exam-- dubb said something to the effect of "saldana took a look at me and walked out," while saldana stated something like "i did what i could, but it didn't work." Thoughts?

what would you expect dubb to say..."sal found out i am a spawnling and starting tomorrow i am gonna try to screw all of you as hard as i can"?

[hoopsguy]

The play here, Hoops, is to cure me tomorrow. Not kill me tomorrow.

If we can - we don't know how long the incubation period is, unless I'm missing that in the rules.

If you are Spawn tomorrow then you blow up the doc.

[britrock88]

...working on a summary now, btw...

[Shiggles]

Ok ok caught up. Is it a good plan to point out juju suspicions? on like behavioral priciples? or would that make me a target due to if im right or not lol. Im gonna need a vote count if anyone has it recorded, i think most are for Dubb, although im not sure how the spawn stuff works, and if we do leave him alive today if he would turn into a spawn tonight and have 4 people getting eaten lol.

and mr barkeep, am is still able to submit an order for today? or did that action point get taken up with training?

[hoopsguy]

Do you guys really think I would have been on the public report if I were converting someone?

Yes, because I believe Spawn can perform their public role and Spawn activity at night. I'm 90% sure that was the case in previous games.

Spawn would be encouraged to perform a public action to explain exhausted status - it would be harder to argue away being exhausted without the public action.

BK - can Spawn perform a public role night action (guard, spy, convert building,etc) in addition to a Spawnling attack, or other Spawn action?

[Autumn]

Ok ok caught up. Is it a good plan to point out juju suspicions? on like behavioral priciples? or would that make me a target due to if im right or not lol. Im gonna need a vote count if anyone has it recorded, i think most are for Dubb, although im not sure how the spawn stuff works, and if we do leave him alive today if he would turn into a spawn tonight and have 4 people getting eaten lol.

and mr barkeep, am is still able to submit an order for today? or did that action point get taken up with training?

The game always works better the more you talk, I think. I sometimes will hold back on a thought about someone just so I can watch them more, but basically tell us what you saw and that helps us all find the right guy.

[Autumn]

I would like to recommend people move off of Dubb. I can kill him tonight, and then he will be effectively lynched. Let's find another bad guy.

[britrock88]

SUMMARY SINCE POST 1242

~1250-70: discussion about the failing fence and partially converted power facility taking the brig out of commission
1285-on: dubb asks to be examined
~1305: abe determines to train a doctor
1343: hoops reroutes power... to the security fence
1365: cf tells us that without repair, the fence will fail by morning
1375: autumn posts the first (?) of several lists of our daily activities as determined by the officers
~1390-1425: hoops v. danny
1428: abe will train shiggles as a doctor
1439: people don't like julio's pot roast
~1455: discussion of dubb and danny lurking together
~1465-75: talk of dehydration
1475-76: day actions; saldana begins examining dubb
1482: "Both men emerge from the medical facility some time later."
1486: saldana reports that dubb is a spawnling and that he (saldana) could not cure him (dubb)
~1505: considering whether saldana has been cleared
1533: dubb suspects Danny
1538-40: another clump of day actions
1550: Danny hands out phasers to everyone as usual except dubb
1551-on: dubb v. Danny
1565: Autumn reveals as vigilante, proposes using ability to kill dubb and lynch someone else
1565-on: dubb v. saldana


VOTE COUNT

cf - autumn (1337)
danny - dubb (1551)
dubb - saldana (1486), abe (1514)
hoops - cf (1372)
simbo - danny (1450)

Not that many votes out there, really.

[britrock88]

19 of us left, so 1/3rd still rounds up to 7 votes required to execute.

[Simbo Klice]

I would like to recommend people move off of Dubb. I can kill him tonight, and then he will be effectively lynched. Let's find another bad guy.

Here's the thing though- I liked that idea, but I just read it and it says you attack him. If you attack him you might lose, you might just wound him, you might take a wound, etc. I get that it's a good use of your ability, that you get a bonus from your phaser, and all the rest but a lynch today or tomorrow seems more definite.

[britrock88]

"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." I think we agree that Dubb is something close to a bird in the hand. But, as the saying goes, that bird is not worth MORE than two in the bush. With Autumn's plan, or simply by waiting until tomorrow to execute Dubb, we could see if there's more spawn afoot.

[Shiggles]

and because im not very savvy at navigating the forums, is there some way to see only blue posts? or track which groups have worked together through missions/conversions?

[Barkeep49]

Vote Count

Votes Needed to lynch: 7

Simbo 1 - Danny (1450)
CF 1 - Autumn (1337)
hoops 1 - CF (1363)
dubb 2 - saldana (1486) Abe (1514)
Danny 1 - dubb (15310

[Barkeep49]

and mr barkeep, am is still able to submit an order for today? or did that action point get taken up with training?

Training eats up all your AP


BK - can Spawn perform a public role night action (guard, spy, convert building,etc) in addition to a Spawnling attack, or other Spawn action?

Yes

[hoopsguy]

Here's the thing though- I liked that idea, but I just read it and it says you attack him. If you attack him you might lose, you might just wound him, you might take a wound, etc. I get that it's a good use of your ability, that you get a bonus from your phaser, and all the rest but a lynch today or tomorrow seems more definite.

Looking at attack:
75% chance to succeed, attacking a person, equipped with phaser against someone without one .... seems like a pretty good percentage play (not 100%, but inching up that way)

Voting someone else would give us a chance to get either a starting spawn or someone else who might have been early convert (spawnling attack N1 or infected on away mission, working on building, whatever). Dubb is a known non-spawn (spawnling, attacked N2) at this time who we double up tomorrow if Autumn doesn't take care of business.

[hoopsguy]

I think if someone is going to avoid a Dubb vote (I'm very close to doing that) that it has to be on someone who is exhausted. I recognize that puts me in the list too ... go ahead and factor that if you are making a non-Dubb vote.

Going to eat, then come back and look at others who are exhausted.

[saldana]

Looking at attack:
75% chance to succeed, attacking a person, equipped with phaser against someone without one .... seems like a pretty good percentage play (not 100%, but inching up that way)

Voting someone else would give us a chance to get either a starting spawn or someone else who might have been early convert (spawnling attack N1 or infected on away mission, working on building, whatever). Dubb is a known non-spawn (spawnling, attacked N2) at this time who we double up tomorrow if Autumn doesn't take care of business.

OR, we kill a completely innocent survivor.

[Autumn]

OR, we kill a completely innocent survivor.

Are you kidding me? Who are we going to lynch tomorrow? Whoever that is, lynch them now. We're going to lynch someone every day, what does it matter to you if we do it now or then?

[Autumn]

Here's the thing though- I liked that idea, but I just read it and it says you attack him. If you attack him you might lose, you might just wound him, you might take a wound, etc. I get that it's a good use of your ability, that you get a bonus from your phaser, and all the rest but a lynch today or tomorrow seems more definite.

Okay, if I get a bad 2% roll or whatever, we lynch him tomorrow.

[hoopsguy]

Saldana, we absolutely could do that - but we could do that with any lynch vote. It isn't like we are trading a "starting wolf" - and we have pretty good information to lay the groundwork for a vote on a "starting/mutating" wolf vote with the exhausted trail.

I recognize that everyone isn't going to be lined up with the idea, and maybe we can't get seven votes. But we don't learn all that much by lynching Dubb, in my mind. I would rather chase a high(er) risk, high reward strategy in this spot, I think.

[saldana]

Are you kidding me? Who are we going to lynch tomorrow? Whoever that is, lynch them now. We're going to lynch someone every day, what does it matter to you if we do it now or then?

because we have no idea who we are going to lynch tomorrow...by tomorrow we will have an entire additional day's worth of data...night actions (spying), day actions (2 doctor scans)...the odds for tomorrow are way better than any other odds we have for today.

[Autumn]

The Crew

Chief Engineer - hoopsguy Exhausted
Sergeant at Arms - Danny Exhausted
Slavemaster - Chubby Exhausted
Gally Master - Julio Exhausted
Security Crewman - dubb Exhausted
Abe Sargent Exhausted



Here are your exhausted folk.

[Simbo Klice]

Looking at attack:
75% chance to succeed, attacking a person, equipped with phaser against someone without one .... seems like a pretty good percentage play (not 100%, but inching up that way)

Voting someone else would give us a chance to get either a starting spawn or someone else who might have been early convert (spawnling attack N1 or infected on away mission, working on building, whatever). Dubb is a known non-spawn (spawnling, attacked N2) at this time who we double up tomorrow if Autumn doesn't take care of business.

If I understand completely (and this is my first spawn game) succeed =/= kill though, there's also a chance of wounding. But then we could finish the job tomorrow or Autumn could do it the next night if there's another lead, just noting that.

I think if someone is going to avoid a Dubb vote (I'm very close to doing that) that it has to be on someone who is exhausted. I recognize that puts me in the list too ... go ahead and factor that if you are making a non-Dubb vote.

Going to eat, then come back and look at others who are exhausted.

I brought this up earlier and think it's a good line of thinking. But if we vote dubb today, there's more of that information tomorrow. Lot of different balances on the scale here.

[Autumn]

because we have no idea who we are going to lynch tomorrow...by tomorrow we will have an entire additional day's worth of data...night actions (spying), day actions (2 doctor scans)...the odds for tomorrow are way better than any other odds we have for today.

Would you ahve said that this morning? That we should just skip today's lynch because we'll know more tomorrow? We have plenty of information today. More so than in almost any game of Werewolf.

[Shiggles]

Ok ok, so i am actionless, so, in order to cast wombat protection on ANYONE im gonna need them to come to my bunk tonight and hold some sticks and dream catchers. Heyyyyy autumnnnnnnn, feel like participating in a tribal ritual??? ;-)

So far its worked! cause both people are alive, just sad to see mr dubb got infected, maybe i should start selling them mystical juju's of awesomeness...

But anyways i digress. I have no proof, just speculation of how some pushier people in the thread seem to be distracting from things. Although the problem mainly is, do we kill dubb tonight, because it may end up killing us if he mutates (but we dont know the timeframe). The alternative way of thinking is that by using the vote on dubb, the spawn have effictvely wasted one of our turns of lynching one of their more important roles, so that their numbers remain relatively unchanged, and we lose a security officer and the suspicion is thrown off of one of theirs because we, and i quote, "GOT ONE! WOOOOO" food for thought.

[hoopsguy]

Going with a lynch vote that isn't Dubb also gives us meaningful voting data today - something we already don't have from Day 1. That would be meaningless if we just have to take out Dubb tomorrow, but with Autumn presenting an option for removing Dubb in the evening it becomes valuable.

Did anyone have a chance to put together a vote/unvote chart from Day 2? If so, I would love that as a data point for tonight's vote as well ...

[Shiggles]

Well, since i must unfortunetly depart, and i need to cast a vote for someone really soon, and i'll get back after deadline to discuss (maybe, i might be gone the night) i shall cast my vote now and let the repurcussions stand for itself.

Vote Execute Danny

[CrimsonFox]

JAG, regarding the fence. An engineer can "repair" it. And this repair will only make it last one more cycle.

So instead of burning out in the morning, it will last til night.

[Autumn]

I'm all for voting from the Exhausted list. That seems sensible, although the rules say there is only an increased risk that a Spawn becomes exhausted while making a Spawnling attack, not a definite chance. I see Shiggles has bumped Danny up. I will put someone else from the list into the running.

<b>unvote CrimsonFox
vote Julio Riddols</b>

[Julio Riddols]

Conversely, trying to lynch someone else tonight could easily result in us killing one of our own, leaving us not one, but 2 people down at the end of the night.

I somewhat agree with dubb that saldana should try a second time to cure him tomorrow. Dubb may not convert before he can be saved.

There is also an idea in my mind that saldana could very well have "faked" his way through the examination. None of us know the chances of a successful examination scenario, but a "very good" chance that wasn't converted can't just be chalked up to bad luck. We have to consider that the failure may have been intentional.

[Julio Riddols]

Excuse me, that should read "good" chance, not "very good".

[Autumn]

There is also an idea in my mind that saldana could very well have "faked" his way through the examination. None of us know the chances of a successful examination scenario, but a "very good" chance that wasn't converted can't just be chalked up to bad luck. We have to consider that the failure may have been intentional.

So you're saying Saldana may have pretended to do the exam? Because why, he's a Spawn? So in this scenario Dubb is not really a Spawnling, or at least may not be, but a Spawn Saldana took the chance to get someone lynched. You think Saldana would expose himself like that just for the chance to get a mislynch?

[Julio Riddols]

Also, I got exhausted patrolling last night. I think that's pretty obvious.

[Julio Riddols]

So you're saying Saldana may have pretended to do the exam? Because why, he's a Spawn? So in this scenario Dubb is not really a Spawnling, or at least may not be, but a Spawn Saldana took the chance to get someone lynched. You think Saldana would expose himself like that just for the chance to get a mislynch?

I'm not saying it with 100 percent certainty, I am just thinking it should be considered. He may know dubb is a spawnling, but he also may have already known that beforehand.

[Autumn]

True, Saldana is definitely not cleared just by delivering us a Spawnling, especially one who gave himself up.

[Julio Riddols]

This is why I think he should try again to cure dubb tomorrow. Worst case scenario its a 1/1 trade. Best case, we essentially get 2 spawn. I think thats better than lynching a random and hoping for the best, in which case it may very well end up being a 0/1 tradeoff.

[Julio Riddols]

Of course a no lynch tonight could also be a bad deal for us, although I still think it would be ok to do as long as the above happens tomorrow.

[hoopsguy]

I somewhat agree with dubb that saldana should try a second time to cure him tomorrow. Dubb may not convert before he can be saved.
.

Unless we get clarification on time from spawnling attack to spawn conversion complete, I don't think we can put our doc in that line of fire.

[Chubby]

so instead of voting for a spawnling we should vote for someone we don't have a good inkling for?

vote dubb

[britrock88]

VOTE COUNT

danny (2) - dubb (1551), shiggles (1624)
dubb (2) - saldana (1486), abe (1514)
julio - autumn (1626)
hoops - cf (1372)
simbo - danny (1450)

---

BTW, I am exhausted because I trained with Abe last night. Still trying to decide among the options we have now.

[Julio Riddols]

Can you remind me why you worked on power facility 2 last night? I'm trying to find the order to do it, but I don't know if I am missing it or not.

[britrock88]

VOTE COUNT

dubb (3) - saldana (1486), abe (1514), chubby (1636)
danny (2) - dubb (1551), shiggles (1624)
julio - autumn (1626)
hoops - cf (1372)
simbo - danny (1450)

[Julio Riddols]

That's why we can't use the brig, right?

[CrimsonFox]

Something is a little weird. I thought that if someone was a spawnling they are curable. Cause the definition of spawnling said if they are not cured in time they will become a spawn. So if it's too late isn't dubb a spawn and not a spawnling?

[dubb93]

Something is a little weird. I thought that if someone was a spawnling they are curable. Cause the definition of spawnling said if they are not cured in time they will become a spawn. So if it's too late isn't dubb a spawn and not a spawnling?

But if it's too late surely I would have killed brave, brave Sir Saldana. No?

[Chief Rum]

Most of the remaining exhausted are security crewmen, and we will already be losing dubb. So of those exhausted remaining who are not security crewmen, I am thinking the best target for a vote besides dubb is hoops. The only other non-options are the britrock-Abe training pair, and that would take some luck for them to both be Spawn to back each other up there.

VOTE EXECUTE HOOPS

[Julio Riddols]

Something is a little weird. I thought that if someone was a spawnling they are curable. Cause the definition of spawnling said if they are not cured in time they will become a spawn. So if it's too late isn't dubb a spawn and not a spawnling?

It's not too late yet. There is no defined time frame for how long it takes someone to change to full spawn after they become a spawnling.

[Julio Riddols]

Also, he has no powers until he becomes a full on spawn. He can't do anything to any of us until then. We are not putting ourselves at greater risk by leaving dubb alive and trying again tomorrow.

[Julio Riddols]

If we were to give him another chance to be cured tomorrow, we could potentially save a survivor, and also vet saldana a little. Again, at worst, we end up at a 1/1 tradeoff.

[Chubby]

Also, he has no powers until he becomes a full on spawn. He can't do anything to any of us until then. We are not putting ourselves at greater risk by leaving dubb alive and trying again tomorrow.

except knowingly allowing the spawn to increase their numbers. and risking our doctors health.

[Chubby]

If we were to give him another chance to be cured tomorrow, we could potentially save a survivor, and also vet saldana a little. Again, at worst, we end up at a 1/1 tradeoff.

why risk losing our doc if we're just going to vote him off tomorrow anyways?

[Julio Riddols]

Well, because everything is a risk. Anything we do right now is a risk. By lynching dubb tonight, all we do is kill someone who would eventually be a spawn. We can kill him later. He can't do anything now, since he is not yet a spawn. If we vote for someone else, we also risk killing off one of our own. This would be worse than letting dubb live, and I would say there is a much greater chance of us hitting one of our own than hitting a spawn.

[CrimsonFox]

saldana speaks the truth

dubb is a spawnling and cannot be cured. End of discussion. I'm an empath and he speaks truth.

[Julio Riddols]

Unless someone is VERY sure of someone, then we should not lynch anyone tonight.

[Julio Riddols]

Oh, well that seems to change things.

[CrimsonFox]

could someone give me another statement by someone to analyze. I can't find one. I"m just going to use it up today though.

[Chubby]

Well, because everything is a risk. Anything we do right now is a risk. By lynching dubb tonight, all we do is kill someone who would eventually be a spawn. We can kill him later. He can't do anything now, since he is not yet a spawn. If we vote for someone else, we also risk killing off one of our own. This would be worse than letting dubb live, and I would say there is a much greater chance of us hitting one of our own than hitting a spawn.

hello my vote for tomorrow

[Julio Riddols]

saldana speaks the truth

dubb is a spawnling and cannot be cured. End of discussion. I'm an empath and he speaks truth.

Now what do we do, go ahead and lynch dubb then?

[Julio Riddols]

I guess we need to decide soon if we're gonna.

[CrimsonFox]

why was there a question of waiting?

[Chubby]

could someone give me another statement by someone to analyze. I can't find one. I"m just going to use it up today though.

good lord someone find something from Julio

[CrimsonFox]

unvote hoops
vote dubb

[Julio Riddols]

I'll say this then. I'm not a spawn. I am sure someone can prove me correct in that statement.

[CrimsonFox]

yeah find something from hoops or julio or LSG or Zinto or Darth. I like those guys...

[CrimsonFox]

No julio no we cannot.

[CrimsonFox]

"I am not a spawn" is not allowed. BK's taking Abe lessons :P

[Julio Riddols]

Well shit. Then go back and find something else by me. There has to be something.

[Julio Riddols]

In light of new evidence, I think this makes sense now.

Vote dubb

[CrimsonFox]

*shrug* I'm not going to ask you any questions and I don't want you to say anything that would damn yourself.

[CrimsonFox]

I don't even think you're that guilty looking, but they do. Why do they?

[Chief Rum]

saldana speaks the truth

dubb is a spawnling and cannot be cured. End of discussion. I'm an empath and he speaks truth.

CF, could you please quote the post containing the statement you asked BK to have considered for truthfulness? And bold the statement itself if it isn't the entire post?

[CrimsonFox]

post 1486. He took the whole line as one sentence and it rang TRUE

[CrimsonFox]

Dubb is a spawnling...I cannot cure him

vote Dubb

this post. the whole first line.

[CrimsonFox]

so if saldana was a spawn he just sacrificed up a fellow spawn, the same one he's been suspicious of the whole game (and no one else really was suspicious of dubb before)

[CrimsonFox]

aka I definitely think saldana is clean. ANd therefore JAG is (or at least was)

[Julio Riddols]

aka I definitely think saldana is clean. ANd therefore JAG is (or at least was)

Which would be good news.

[Autumn]

ugh...

I WILL KILL DUBB TONIGHT. VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE. YES, WE KNOW HE'S BAD. THAT'S WHY I'LL KILL HIM.

[Autumn]

Unless someone is VERY sure of someone, then we should not lynch anyone tonight.

Why?

[CrimsonFox]

there is a ton of crap to sift through from tonight so yuou'll have to fill us latecomers in again, autumn.

[Julio Riddols]

Well I am gonna head to my post. This gun in my hands will be used for protecting our facilities and defending us against any potential spawn attacks that are in my area.

[Chief Rum]

Dubb is a spawnling...I cannot cure him

vote Dubb

Sheesh, CF, how hard would it be for you to just hit quote, eh?

[Julio Riddols]

Why?

Because the chances are low that we will hit upon a spawn unless someone has better info to go on than I do.

[CrimsonFox]

Sheesh, CF, how hard would it be for you to just hit quote, eh?

sheesh Chief, how hard would it be for you to just go look it up yourself? ;)

[Chief Rum]

ugh...

I WILL KILL DUBB TONIGHT. VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE. YES, WE KNOW HE'S BAD. THAT'S WHY I'LL KILL HIM.

I'm with you. We haven't learned anything new from CF except that saldana is telling the truth. Most of us already believe that, and no one was saying dubb isn't a spawnling. Heck, dubb himself suggested the possibility.

[CrimsonFox]

um, Autumn, what if you miss?

And is there any possibility of dubb having defenses against you killing him or is it unblockable?

[hoopsguy]

Can you remind me why you worked on power facility 2 last night? I'm trying to find the order to do it, but I don't know if I am missing it or not.

There was no order for night actions to work on the buildings. However, we had discussed the need to get activity levels up and I was discussing it with JAG prior to submitting the order this morning.

I chose the power facilities because:
1.) we have to convert four of them before liftoff - this is mandatory - and none had been started
2.) I thought Crimson was going to work with me, which would have allowed us to be more efficient in the operation (6 units with me supervising another Engineer, as opposed to 2 solo) - in fact, it would have finished that building.

[Chief Rum]

sheesh Chief, how hard would it be for you to just go look it up yourself? ;)

I didn't know what post. You want me to go through 30 pages of posts?

Would have been easier for both of us if you just hit "quote" when you find it. Instead, you made me go look for it.

Sorry, end of a 10 hour work day and I don't really feel like doing extra work you can so easily do.

[JAG]

The people suggesting Saldana scan dubb tomorrow, just no (in my opinion). Too risky, there are too many things we don't know, how long it takes a spawning to become a spawn, if he couldn't succeed today are we confident he could succeed tomorrow? The benefit (reclaiming a villager) is not worth the risk of losing the doctor on a known baddie. If he dies scanning a full spawn elsewhere, then that's the best we can hope for.

[CrimsonFox]

I'm with you. We haven't learned anything new from CF except that saldana is telling the truth. Most of us already believe that, and no one was saying dubb isn't a spawnling. Heck, dubb himself suggested the possibility.

clearing saldana is the main reason I did it.

[LoneStarGirl]

why risk losing our doc if we're just going to vote him off tomorrow anyways?

I can make a new one, can't I?

[Chief Rum]

clearing saldana is the main reason I did it.

That doesn't change the lynch discussion, though. People seem to be seeing your post and going, "oh, okay, unvote whoever, vote dubb."

[hoopsguy]

Most of the remaining exhausted are security crewmen, and we will already be losing dubb. So of those exhausted remaining who are not security crewmen, I am thinking the best target for a vote besides dubb is hoops. The only other non-options are the britrock-Abe training pair, and that would take some luck for them to both be Spawn to back each other up there.

VOTE EXECUTE HOOPS

I don't believe that is a viable defense (Abe/Britrock) - BK explicitly stated in response to the question I posted that Spawn can take Spawn actions in addition to their public role stuff as a night action. So they are not cross-vouching each other in terms of a Spawn attack, but only insofar as the actions were completed ... that info was already in BK's Night 2 writeup.

[Chief Rum]

The people suggesting Saldana scan dubb tomorrow, just no (in my opinion). Too risky, there are too many things we don't know, how long it takes a spawning to become a spawn, if he couldn't succeed today are we confident he could succeed tomorrow? The benefit (reclaiming a villager) is not worth the risk of losing the doctor on a known baddie. If he dies scanning a full spawn elsewhere, then that's the best we can hope for.

I'm also with you. I don't say don't lynch dubb because we can cure him, but because we have another way to kill him and can save our lynches for other uses and for a meaningful vote.

[CrimsonFox]

That doesn't change the lynch discussion, though. People seem to be seeing your post and going, "oh, okay, unvote whoever, vote dubb."

Just me and julio so far. And julio hadn't even voted before.

[CrimsonFox]

The people suggesting Saldana scan dubb tomorrow, just no (in my opinion). Too risky, there are too many things we don't know, how long it takes a spawning to become a spawn, if he couldn't succeed today are we confident he could succeed tomorrow? The benefit (reclaiming a villager) is not worth the risk of losing the doctor on a known baddie. If he dies scanning a full spawn elsewhere, then that's the best we can hope for.

there is no "scan dubb tomorrow" tho. he can't be cured. At least Saldana is confident that dubb can't be cured and my scan verifies that truth.

[hoopsguy]

saldana speaks the truth

dubb is a spawnling and cannot be cured. End of discussion. I'm an empath and he speaks truth.

Really, that is what you scanned? I don't understand the value on this statement at all - was there any meaningful dispute that Dubb was Spawnling? There was significantly greater dispute, in my mind at least, that Saldana is a non-Spawn. If that was the case, he would have no interest in curing Dubb but would just proclaim him Spawnling and let him go off to death.

Anyway, I'm disappointed that the empath power was put to use for something that provides no meaningful new data point for us. I'm sure others can/will read this differently.

[LoneStarGirl]

If autumn's night action was 100% then I'd agree. but since it's not I have to

Execute dubs

[Chief Rum]

I don't believe that is a viable defense (Abe/Britrock) - BK explicitly stated in response to the question I posted that Spawn can take Spawn actions in addition to their public role stuff as a night action. So they are not cross-vouching each other in terms of a Spawn attack, but only insofar as the actions were completed ... that info was already in BK's Night 2 writeup.

We have evidence that the actions of one can be seen by others through their night actions. I have direct evidence--I myself watched saldana sleep like a baby on Night One. I don't believe he got up and Spawned someone that night just because of some public role rule.

For the some reason, I find it hard to believe one of Abe or britrock could really pull off a Spawn attack when they are together for training.

I think BK's reference was to his deadline posts about what everyone is doing. Those will reflect the public role.

[LoneStarGirl]

Vote execute dubbs

Whichever works

[Simbo Klice]

Alright, well I was sort of leaning to a risk play but I don't even see one that would make me feel good. Now, I'm thinking there isn't enough time to get the support for anything but a dubb lynch so if someone feels strongly otherwise I guess now's the time to make a push.

Vote dubb

[Zinto]

What is the vote count at?

[CrimsonFox]

what even is the lynch deadline?

[JAG]

Typed that before the empath thing, sorry. I'm here somewhat but in the middle of things.

[hoopsguy]

For me, the exhausted worries are more on Danny + Julio. Danny because of Dubb seeing him in the same place, Julio for staking out some positions that seem anti-survivor.

I'm going to go with the latter for my vote - we'll see if this goes anywhere, but I want to back Autumn's plan because I think it has a chance of being the biggest win for the village. And I'm more or less disregarding roles in terms of this decision - obvious I would prefer not to lose either the Galley Master or Sergeant at Arms, but those are my prime suspects so there we go.

VOTE JULIO

[LoneStarGirl]

Lynch in 45 minutes

[Zinto]

It is at 10 EST or in forty-five minutes CF.

[hoopsguy]

Oh, just to clarify - VOTE EXECUTE JULIO

[LoneStarGirl]

For me, the exhausted worries are more on Danny + Julio. Danny because of Dubb seeing him in the same place, Julio for staking out some positions that seem anti-survivor.

I'm going to go with the latter for my vote - we'll see if this goes anywhere, but I want to back Autumn's plan because I think it has a chance of being the biggest win for the village. And I'm more or less disregarding roles in terms of this decision - obvious I would prefer not to lose either the Galley Master or Sergeant at Arms, but those are my prime suspects so there we go.

VOTE JULIO

You'd rather go after someone you have a bad feeling about vs a known spawning? Unless you don't believe Sal?

[LoneStarGirl]

Also, clarify something for me.... Was Dubbs spawning random or did a Spawn go after him specifically?

[JAG]

I don't agree with the dubb vote, Autumn should likely win since he'll be armed and isn't exhausted like dubb is, so pretty good odds. If he fails, we vote dubb out tomorrow, but why not try a real vote today? We could use the vote history.

[CrimsonFox]

dubb (7) - saldana (1486), abe (1514), chubby (1636) crimson (1659) julio (1665) LSG (1694) simbo (1697)
danny (2) - dubb (1551), shiggles (1624)
julio (2) - autumn (1626) hoops (1701)
hoops - chief (1643)
simbo - danny (1450)

[CrimsonFox]

unvote dubb
vote Lonestargirl

[LoneStarGirl]

unvote dubb
vote Lonestargirl

Any reason why?

[JAG]

If we used the excuse "we don't know for sure", we'd always vote no lunch. Come on folks.

[CrimsonFox]

If we used the excuse "we don't know for sure", we'd always vote no lunch. Come on folks.


NO lunch?!?!? DAMMIT JAG! I MUST have my sandwich!

[Barkeep49]

Zinto sees work to be done at the Crew Quarters and being the eager ensign that he is joins in.

[hoopsguy]

You'd rather go after someone you have a bad feeling about vs a known spawning? Unless you don't believe Sal?

I trust Autumn to take care of Dubb - in the (unlikely?) event that doesn't happen we take care of Dubb tomorrow.

I'm working with the data points we have for today, and they say that:
1.) Dubb was the victim of a spawnling attack last night, which has a good chance to leave attackers exhausted
2.) Autumn has a high likelihood to remove Dubb from the board tonight by using his Vigilante role
3.) We can leverage the exhausted info to help cast a meaningful vote tonight
4.) Even a bad lynch would provide us with voting information that is lost if we don't take this shot

[LoneStarGirl]

If we used the excuse "we don't know for sure", we'd always vote no lunch. Come on folks.

Why aren't you putting a vote anywhere?

[CrimsonFox]

eh I feel really good about a dubb vote though. so either way.

[hoopsguy]

Also, clarify something for me.... Was Dubbs spawning random or did a Spawn go after him specifically?

Dubb indicated that he fired his phaser last night and asked to be examined by the doc. That sure seems to suggest target of Spawnling attack rather than victim of a water mission or exposed while working on a building.

[LoneStarGirl]

JAG... Anything I need to d o with my action point?

[Barkeep49]

If we used the excuse "we don't know for sure", we'd always vote no lunch. Come on folks.

"Gentlemen there are to be 3 meals a day" Captain JAG pontificates one night. "You may vote whatever you want, but know this: there will BE lunch."

[Autumn]

And that's why he's captain.

[Zinto]

More then people not voting or voting for Dubb, everyone needs to vote. Something that did not happen yesterday.

[LoneStarGirl]

Dubb indicated that he fired his phaser last night and asked to be examined by the doc. That sure seems to suggest target of Spawnling attack rather than victim of a water mission or exposed while working on a building.

That's what I thought to. So the Spawn specifically went after The security crewman. Why Dubbs and not Chief?

[Autumn]

Hoops, we're on the same page, I think. I will vote Danny or Julio, they both seem likely suspects to me, and so if need be you and I could both move to Danny and stack there.

[Autumn]

Schmidty: Highest level of research
*Britrock: Highest level of research

*saldana: Investigate Dubb

Danny: Pass out weapons

*CrimsonFox: Investigate what's wrong with the fence

*Hoopsguy: Lead team of 5 to convert crew quarters
*Hoopsguy: reroute power from backup to areas covered by facility 2
*Autumn - convert crew quarters
*Zinto - convert crew quarters
PackerFanatic - convert crew quarters
*Chief Rum - convert crew quarters
*Julio Riddols - convert crew quarters

*Simbo Klice: lead slave team to convert crew quarters
*Chubby: Lead slave team to work with Simbo on crew quarters

*Darth Vilus: repair perimeter fence

*Abe: Train Shiggles to be a doctor

*Dubb: Man Security HQ

*Shiggles: Training with Abe

JAG: ?

Lonestargirl: ?

Packer, Schmidty and Danny still need to put in work orders (did Danny? I thought he did).

JAG, should we have Lonestargirl assign somebody?

[LoneStarGirl]

I see what Hoops was saying.

Unvote dubbs

Vote execute Julio

[dubb93]

Meh, mark my words. Amoung those fighting for my lynch are spawn.

Also, CF the empath? Scans crap that is known already? Seems to be good spawn cover. I highly suspect he was the empath, but most likely lost it when he was converted. No way an empath blows his ability on something that is t contested.

[LoneStarGirl]

Can I assign someone to security crewmen since Dubbs is out?

[Autumn]

Obviously a Dubb vote is good. But we can off him and vote someone else. Voting Dubb at this point tells me that you're more interested in catching one Spawnling than a Spawn and a Spawnling. Which suggests to me that you're real buddy-buddy with the Spawn.

[Zinto]

At this point I see no reason in voting for Dubb. He is going to go down one way or another by tomorrow and I think most of us believe he is no threat to us tonight even if he does survive Autumn's attack.

[Julio Riddols]

Hey guys, how about not voting for me.

Maybe I can't prove anything I guess, but it's not a good idea to lynch me. I can say for certain its not.

Are we not voting for dubb then?

What the hell exactly is going on here? All the rest of the votes are too fragmented and spread out to matter. Who is going to get a run on them in 30 minutes that ends up with 7 votes on someone other than dubb?

I hope autumn succeeds in his attack then.

Unvote dubb

And this next statement comes down from random.org:

Vote Simbo

[dubb93]

That's what I thought to. So the Spawn specifically went after The security crewman. Why Dubbs and not Chief?

Chief was asleep. He wouldn't know if he was spawn attacked.

[CrimsonFox]

unvote LSG
vote hoops

[LoneStarGirl]

At this point I see no reason in voting for Dubb. He is going to go down one way or another by tomorrow and I think most of us believe he is no threat to us tonight even if he does survive Autumn's attack.

So you're not going to vote at all?

[hoopsguy]

Hoops, we're on the same page, I think. I will vote Danny or Julio, they both seem likely suspects to me, and so if need be you and I could both move to Danny and stack there.

Will try, but I'm now on a work call (with shared desktop, no less) and might not have a ton of flexibility the rest of the way.

[dubb93]

Unvote Danny

Vote Execute Julio

I gotst to stay alive!

[Autumn]

The worst possible thing that could happen if I attack Dubb is he happens to have the Slayer secret role and kills me. That is an unlikely event. Otherwise the worst thing that happens is I only wound him, and there's only 20% chance of that I am fine with these odds.

[LoneStarGirl]

unvote LSG
vote hoops

You're being weird with your votes. But when you were a Wolf last game you didn't play weird...

[Zinto]

So you're not going to vote at all?


No I am going to vote. People who are not voting are not helping the village out at all. I am trying to go back through the vote yesterday to try and find some inkling on who I should vote for.

[CrimsonFox]

julio runs happen any time of day . In fact within 30 minutes of deadline is when you'll see the most activity.

[JAG]

Just FYI, I did not get in a conditional lynch change order.

Also, I always type lunch instead of lynch, I just usually catch it before I post. :)

[Julio Riddols]

Unvote Danny

Vote Execute Julio

I gotst to stay alive!

Dude. Why sacrifice me in place of you if you insist you're a good guy? Oh, because I am leading the voting.

[CrimsonFox]

i think hoops and simbo are good candidates. I wouldn't not doubt spawn to go after engineering.

[Schmidty]

Sorry everyone. I have a medical reason for not posting, but to be honest, I'm sick of talking about this stuff. I don't even know why I joined. I should have known.

Sorry BK.

[Julio Riddols]

Well, we have 30 minutes to hash this out and come to a consensus, and it better not be me. I've warned you guys before about this stuff.

[JAG]

Why aren't you putting a vote anywhere?

Because I'm having a very tough time choosing between the exhausteds.

[CrimsonFox]

heh. I didn't know you lived in bellingham. neat.

[Schmidty]

I feel bad even making a vote, because I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

[britrock88]

The worst possible thing that could happen if I attack Dubb is he happens to have the Slayer secret role and kills me. That is an unlikely event. Otherwise the worst thing that happens is I only wound him, and there's only 20% chance of that I am fine with these odds.

Luckily for you (and the rest of us), only a survivor can have the secret role of slayer... if the heading it's listed under means anything. :)

VOTE COUNT

dubb (4) - saldana (1486), abe (1514), chubby (1636), simbo (1697)
julio (3) - autumn (1626), hoops (1701), lsg (1725), dubb (1735)
simbo (2) - danny (1450), julio (1730)
hoops (2) - chief (1643), cf (1732)
danny (1) - shiggles (1624)

Despite keeping track of the numbers, I'm totally lost!

[CrimsonFox]

Well, we have 30 minutes to hash this out and come to a consensus, and it better not be me. I've warned you guys before about this stuff.

what stuff? If you have a role you should reveal it if you are going down. And don't reveal within 1 minute of deadline.

[Julio Riddols]

Did Schmidty just sacrifice himself?