MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[AC]

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Not to fault a very good post in general, but I think a.) Price will get a MUCH smaller contract than Pujols' ridiculousness and b.) Price projects to be better than Pujols over the long haul so c.) Price is a very good long term investment that the Cards would be thrilled to have. Just imo.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Not to fault a very good post in general, but I think a.) Price will get a MUCH smaller contract than Pujols' ridiculousness and b.) Price projects to be better than Pujols over the long haul so c.) Price is a very good long term investment that the Cards would be thrilled to have. Just imo.

I just don't see it. Price being "better" than Pujols was when STL passed is offset by the whole Pujols being a franchise icon aspect. Albert had not yet declined either, so it's debatable how much decline the Cards saw on the early years of that possible deal. Plus, a long-term deal for a pitcher (7-10 years) is not for the faint of heart or the mid of market.

[kmoser]

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Well I like realistic trades, so I don't think in going to do this one. Thanks everyone for the help and comments!
I just wanted a good prospect that will be a good hitter. I saw Baez could play 3rd so I was set on getting a potentially really good hitting 3rd baseman, and he seemed perfect.
In my Chise I see the Cubs most likely contending next year (year 3) for sure if they get the right pieces. They are in a wild card position and it's only year 2.


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[kmoser]

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Correct me if I am wrong, but KMoser is in Late June of 2015 and the Cubs are contending for a Wild Card.

Everyone who says Baez won't be moved is basing that off of Cubs in real life via 2014.

He originally had asked about dealing for Castro who is having a very good season at SS (like .290 with 10 HR's in June). Also said Russell is already up on the MLB team (assume he must be playing 2B or 3B), so I who am a Cubs fan said the Cubs could possibly move Baez, but it would be for a dominating SP at the MLB level that would continue to help them win in 2015 and beyond not a bunch of mid level prospects plus Fowler. (His original deal for Castro)

Price obviously in 2015 would be in the last year of his contract, so to me if you were running 30 team control and could make sure Price stayed in Chicago 100% at the end of the season, then to me I can't think of a better SP to trade Baez, that's rumored to be going anywhere..

Sorry for the DP

I completely agree. If the Cubs did get Price I would make sure they sign him long term.


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[hampshirestags]

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The problem with that type of leverage you are speaking of is..

1) how many teams have the farm system to pull it off?

2) off those teams, how many are in contention?

3) of those teams, how many can afford what will likely be an 8+ year contract at $200-250M+?

That narrows down a lot of perceived teams' interest a lot. For example, the Cardinals wouldn't give that deal to Albert Pujols, so I don't see it for Price either. And the Cardinals 'making sense' for getting Price has been a lot of the page-click bait on trade websites.

Yankees can't afford the prospects. Phillies are in decay, so count them out (right, Ruben? RIGHT??). The Red Sox have their own Jon Lester extension situation to think about. Toronto may or may not make sense depending on what Friedman thinks of facing David Price a few times per season and strengthening a division rival. Same argument of Boston. Tigers don't have the farm system. Ditto the Angels. The Mets have spects, but are broke.

Teams like Seattle and Texas have the spects, but do they have that kind of cash? Would Seattle splurge when SP is not really a problem for them? Texas might need to invest $250M in a team hospital, not another arm that can get hurt.

When you really think about it, it might be only the Cubs and Dodgers as teams that have the total package (top end spects and $$$) for a Price deal. And the Cubs don't make quite as much sense due to their window to contend not opening for another year or 2.

The issue I see with your thoughts is that you're trying to use common sense (except for the Pujols/Price reference, apples/oranges). I can't name 3 LHP better than Price in the entire league. Common sense goes out the window. Plus, you are looking at it from a 2 team perspective. At that angle, your debate makes sense as nobody 'should' give up the entire farm and then sign an organization crippling extension, unless you are looking to do a Marlins type fire sale afterwards. Pay next year and the first 2 of the deal and then let NYY/LAD/PHI, etc. take the rest of the heavy lifting.

This will/should be one of those nasty 3 team/10 player deals which is why I think it will happen in the off season. He won't go to a AL east team but there are easily 8-10 clubs that can pay him. Like the Cubs, just because you're not spending the money doesn't mean you don't have it to spend.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Well I like realistic trades, so I don't think in going to do this one. Thanks everyone for the help and comments!
I just wanted a good prospect that will be a good hitter. I saw Baez could play 3rd so I was set on getting a potentially really good hitting 3rd baseman, and he seemed perfect.
In my Chise I see the Cubs most likely contending next year (year 3) for sure if they get the right pieces. They are in a wild card position and it's only year 2.


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Since I am one of the folks that partypooped your deal, it's only right for me to suggest some alternatives...

AZ - Martin Prado
SFO - Panda (I go back and forth on this, but if the Giants have crashed and burned in your chise, it might be realistic)
BOS - Will Middlebrooks
CLE - Lonnie Chisenhall
KC - Mike Moustakas
MIN - Trevor Plouffe
TEX - Adrian Beltre (maybe, if Texas is bad, bad, bad like this year)
ATL - Chris Johnson
MIA - Casey McGehee
PIT - Pedro Alvarez

There are also some mid level prospects out there: Brandon Drury (AZ), Christian Villanueva (CHC), Cody Asche (PHI), Wilmer Flores (NYM), Zack Cox (MIA), Edward Salcedo (ATL), Patrick Kivlehan (SEA), Renato Nunez (OAK), Kaleb Cowart (LAA), Cheslor Cuthbert (KC), Mitch Nay (TOR), Ryan McMahon (COL). These guys could develop for you, but wouldn't set off mass riots by Cubs fans.

By the way, why do you need a young 3B? Isn't Matt Dominguez there anymore? Is Rio Ruiz not doing well? It seems like you should have 3B covered to some degree.

[kmoser]

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Since I am one of the folks that partypooped your deal, it's only right for me to suggest some alternatives...



AZ - Martin Prado

SFO - Panda (I go back and forth on this, but if the Giants have crashed and burned in your chise, it might be realistic)

BOS - Will Middlebrooks

CLE - Lonnie Chisenhall

KC - Mike Moustakas

MIN - Trevor Plouffe

TEX - Adrian Beltre (maybe, if Texas is bad, bad, bad like this year)

ATL - Chris Johnson

MIA - Casey McGehee

PIT - Pedro Alvarez



There are also some mid level prospects out there: Brandon Drury (AZ), Christian Villanueva (CHC), Cody Asche (PHI), Wilmer Flores (NYM), Zack Cox (MIA), Edward Salcedo (ATL), Patrick Kivlehan (SEA), Renato Nunez (OAK), Kaleb Cowart (LAA), Cheslor Cuthbert (KC), Mitch Nay (TOR), Ryan McMahon (COL). These guys could develop for you, but wouldn't set off mass riots by Cubs fans.



By the way, why do you need a young 3B? Isn't Matt Dominguez there anymore? Is Rio Ruiz not doing well? It seems like you should have 3B covered to some degree.

I was looking at Beltre because the Rangers are at the bottom of the division. I was also looking at Pedro Alvarez but the Pirates are contending so not sure if they would trade him, however he is only hitting .240. Mous interests me but KC is contending as well.
Matt Dominguez is fine but he is not part of my long term plan. Rio Ruiz is about 2-3 years away, and I think we may be able to contend for a WC spot next year, maybe just maybe lol.
I would like Beltre but he is pretty valuable, so I would rather not give away good prospects for a 35 yo guy. Do you think Alvarez or Mous would get traded even though their teams are contending?


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[AC]

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I just don't see it. Price being "better" than Pujols was when STL passed is offset by the whole Pujols being a franchise icon aspect. Albert had not yet declined either, so it's debatable how much decline the Cards saw on the early years of that possible deal. Plus, a long-term deal for a pitcher (7-10 years) is not for the faint of heart or the mid of market.

Yeah but he was getting old and he was a 1B. Price will be like 29ish when his deal is signed and will come for much less. Yeah, he's a pitcher, but durability is a skill and he's shown to be apt at it. Anything could happen, but Price is probably less likely (knocks on wood). It isn't for the faint of heart and may not be a good idea, but it's a better idea than Pujols and seems like a Cards-ish risk to take.

The issue I see with your thoughts is that you're trying to use common sense

What HT means here is that it isn't a rational market, lol.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I was looking at Beltre because the Rangers are at the bottom of the division. I was also looking at Pedro Alvarez but the Pirates are contending so not sure if they would trade him, however he is only hitting .240. Mous interests me but KC is contending as well.
Matt Dominguez is fine but he is not part of my long term plan. Rio Ruiz is about 2-3 years away, and I think we may be able to contend for a WC spot next year, maybe just maybe lol.
I would like Beltre but he is pretty valuable, so I would rather not give away good prospects for a 35 yo guy. Do you think Alvarez or Mous would get traded even though their teams are contending?


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Alvarez and Moose are no go, unless Moose is watching his team contend from AAA.

Beltre is in the realm of possibility, but is a bit of a longshot intra division. It would depend on just how bad Texas is doing, just how much you'd be willing to overpay, and what Beltre's stats actually are.

[AC]

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I'd say Beltre is very realistic. Granted, probably a little less realistic and a little more expensive inter division, but y'know.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I'd say Beltre is very realistic. Granted, probably a little less realistic and a little more expensive intra division, but y'know.

I agree. I'd be much more comfortable with the realism of Texas dealing an aging Beltre after 2 solid years of suckville (even within the division) than with Baez going anywhere for less than a king's ransom.

[CBoller1331]

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If the Beltre deal falls through, what 3B will hit the FA market next year in your franchise?
If you plan to contend next year, it might be worth it to sign someone to a somewhat short deal

[kmoser]

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I agree. I'd be much more comfortable with the realism of Texas dealing an aging Beltre after 2 solid years of suckville (even within the division) than with Baez going anywhere for less than a king's ransom.

If the Beltre deal falls through, what 3B will hit the FA market next year in your franchise?
If you plan to contend next year, it might be worth it to sign someone to a somewhat short deal

I think I am just going to wait it out and see what the off season brings. Not on right now so not sure what 3B will be FA.


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[Shock1011]

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Who are some good 4th OF type guys that could be had for a High C or lower?

[CBoller1331]

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Who are some good 4th OF type guys that could be had for a High C or lower?

Junoir Lake, Justin Ruggianio (CHC)
John Jay, Peter Bourjos (STL--check spreadsheet, may need a little more)
Gregor Blanco (SF)
Chris Denorfia (SD)
Daniel Nava (BOS)

Plenty more where that came from, just find a team that's out of it. Just about all 4th OF types are available for high C's