MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[CBoller1331]

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Adding Price to the deal is more realistic/fair, but still a VERY BIG stretch. I would say this deal is at least doable, but someone's gonna have to give up a s*** ton of young talent

As Cubs fans, WTNY and I are very high on Baez, cuz that's basically all we have to follow this year. I just don't see any circumstance in which he gets dealt. The timing is off. He's a top prospect when his team is awful

[AC]

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I'd think if the Cubs could extend Price they'd go for that

[nicholasht7]

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I'm doing a Philadelphia Phillies franchise I'm about at the deadline in 4th place and was wondering if anybody knew any logical and realistic trades I could pull off to start rebuilding everyone is available to trade on my team thank you very much.

[hampshirestags]

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Adding Price to the deal is more realistic/fair, but still a VERY BIG stretch. I would say this deal is at least doable, but someone's gonna have to give up a s*** ton of young talent

As Cubs fans, WTNY and I are very high on Baez, cuz that's basically all we have to follow this year. I just don't see any circumstance in which he gets dealt. The timing is off. He's a top prospect when his team is awful

To get the #2-#3 lefty in the game, a guy Theo has personally watched for years and is 'sorta' local...I think we'd all be surprised to what he'd give. Price has 100 wins in him over the duration of a contract extension. Put him in the NL and I would bet you would have some very nervous clubs in the central.

I agree Iowa City is more fun to watch than the Cubs right now but they eventually have to get some players in there. Not all the studs are going to develop (even if I'm totally wrong on Baez, someone is going to bust) and, to me, Price isn't pitching anymore, he is a legitimate ace. Those are very rare and very expensive.

The challenge here is to get HOU involved.

[CBoller1331]

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To get the #2-#3 lefty in the game, a guy Theo has personally watched for years and is 'sorta' local...I think we'd all be surprised to what he'd give. Price has 100 wins in him over the duration of a contract extension. Put him in the NL and I would bet you would have some very nervous clubs in the central.

I agree Iowa City is more fun to watch than the Cubs right now but they eventually have to get some players in there. Not all the studs are going to develop (even if I'm totally wrong on Baez, someone is going to bust) and, to me, Price isn't pitching anymore, he is a legitimate ace. Those are very rare and very expensive.

The challenge here is to get HOU involved.

I could see the Cubs making a deal for Price this offseason, I personally wouldn't like it cause I don't see them contending until 2016, but I don't think they give up Baez. He's too close to the bigs. Russell is more likely to be dealt IMO. But if your set on Baez, it's still doable

You're right, The challenge is getting the Stros involved, they'd probably have to pay the price for Price (lol)

It'd look something like this:

Stros get: Baez
Cubs get: Price
Rays get: Astros prospects...and a lot of them

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Great explanation of your value of Baez. I disagree but also realize I am minority opinion...for now. We'll have another couple years to debate Baez but agree Lee is a rough fit, to say the least.

That being said, AC's suggestion covers the value and if the user wants to play with Baez in Houston, we should try to come up with some way to make it as close to fair as possible, right?

I slant more to the side where if the OP proposes a trade and sees the feedback is negative, then he should do a different deal. If someone is dead set on getting a guy no matter what, there's no need to ask the thread about it if people just blow off the advice anyway. Certainly, there can be disagreement and nothing needs to be unanimous, but if people are going to the trouble of posting in here to begin with, it's the OPs responsibility to heed advice and not do a ridiculous deal. It's not my responsibility to bend rules to "get Baez over there." But, that just might be another philosophical difference. Ultimately it is a fun vs realism debate that will happen between the ears of the OP that determines what happens. I am just here for the emoticons.

I've been reading your comments and I don't think I am going to do the deal now lol. If I did get Baez I would just move him to 3rd.
I do have one question however. What if, instead I the Phillies, I make the Rays the other team in the deal and the Cubs get Price? I know I would have to give up more prospects for Price in the deal but just wondering. I'm in year two so most of the "big" Cubs prospects are either up or very close.


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Price is a better option than anyone on the Phillies. I still don't think the Cubs are going to need to deal Baez for a P that everyone knows has to be traded eventually. The Rays have little leverage.

I didn't realize we were talking about you! Tsk, tsk, tsk (in my best grandpa voice). However, I allow myself 1 "fantasy" trade in a franchise as long as I overpay so I get where you're coming from.

2015 could bring a totally different set of circumstances and if TB still has Price, they will not resign him and will look to trade (unless they are taking a C. Crawford type risk at a WS). I want WTNY to weigh in but think Price is a much better option than Lee or Hamels.

I agree. But I am still not saying a Baez trade has any remote possibility of being realistic at this point.

The Rays have Price on the block (if that even means anything in this game). Russell is in the Majors and Starlin Castro is having a good year, as well as Bryant tearing up AAA so I just thought Baez could be had, but maybe not.



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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa??

Just because a team has depth doesn't mean they are in a hurry to get rid of that depth. Especially when it is premium, cost-controlled talent for several years.

Always ignore the trading block. You have a better handle than the CPU on just about every player. Cubs couldn't/wouldn't look for a 1 for 1 with TB and Price so it would require a 3rd team and HOU while not logical with their SS stud could still move Baez to LF and makes sense with their IRL strategy.

I stink with 3 team trades in the game but know they are others than can come up with packages. Your dance partner here is a team that is 2-3 years away from getting to .500.

Edit: meaning if everybody is trying to win, HOU probably doesn't get invited to the dance. Have you thought about other 3b or do you just want to play with Baez? If so, give Correa.

No, 3 team trades stink. It's not you. They are microscopically rare. And, unfortunately are the trade du jour in here lately.

To get the #2-#3 lefty in the game, a guy Theo has personally watched for years and is 'sorta' local...I think we'd all be surprised to what he'd give. Price has 100 wins in him over the duration of a contract extension. Put him in the NL and I would bet you would have some very nervous clubs in the central.

I agree Iowa City is more fun to watch than the Cubs right now but they eventually have to get some players in there. Not all the studs are going to develop (even if I'm totally wrong on Baez, someone is going to bust) and, to me, Price isn't pitching anymore, he is a legitimate ace. Those are very rare and very expensive.

The challenge here is to get HOU involved.

The money and years committments that Price can get on the open market...well, Theo might balk at matching that for any pitcher even though the Cubs can afford it. Price would be a great get for the Cubs, but we are not at the add that final piece stage or anywhere close to it where that type of investment makes sense.

[AC]

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No, 3 team trades stink. It's not you. They are microscopically rare. And, unfortunately are the trade du jour in here lately.

Ryan Hanigan. Jake Peavy. Mark Trumbo. Erik Bedard. Colby Rasmus. Austin Jackson. Mike Morse. Bartolo Colon. Sin Soo Choo. All players involved in 3 team deals. The Choo, Trumbo, Peavy, Colon, Rasmus and Jackson ones were considered fairly significant at the time - not blockbusters, but somewhat important. Just cause you don't like them (for some reason..?) doesn't mean they don't happen. Granted, a Price/Baez/Astros 3 way deal isn't exceedingly likely, but it's his chise.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Ryan Hanigan. Jake Peavy. Mark Trumbo. Erik Bedard. Colby Rasmus. Austin Jackson. Mike Morse. Bartolo Colon. Sin Soo Choo. All players involved in 3 team deals. The Choo, Trumbo, Peavy, Colon, Rasmus and Jackson ones were considered fairly significant at the time - not blockbusters, but somewhat important. Just cause you don't like them (for some reason..?) doesn't mean they don't happen. Granted, a Price/Baez/Astros 3 way deal isn't exceedingly likely, but it's his chise.

OK, so as a % of all trades, what's that? 0.001% ? That they've happened doesn't make them common/realistic (they are not common/realistic is why I don't like them btw). I actually tend to think that they used to be more common than they are today. But trading has gotten so much more complex...it's tough for 2 teams to deal let alone a third party.

[AC]

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OK, so as a % of all trades, what's that? 0.001% ? That they've happened doesn't make them common/realistic (they are not common/realistic is why I don't like them btw). I actually tend to think that they used to be more common than they are today. But trading has gotten so much more complex...it's tough for 2 teams to deal let alone a third party.

I'd be looking at a % of all majorish trades as teams don't really complete 3 team deals for just nothing. That's, what, minus the older Colon deal, 8 three team deals since 2011ish? That's like 2.5 per year. That's significant enough. No one's recommending 28 three team trades per year, but if teams are struggling finding a fit, bringing in a third team has proven useful in some cases.

[Phennixx]

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Just wanted to get some opinions on what it would take to get Matt Kemp to Seattle Mariners

LA is in 1st place comfortably Kemp isn't playing light out he's Batting .240 8 HR 38 RBI

Thanks in advance

[hampshirestags]

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I slant more to the side where if the OP proposes a trade and sees the feedback is negative, then he should do a different deal. If someone is dead set on getting a guy no matter what, there's no need to ask the thread about it if people just blow off the advice anyway. Certainly, there can be disagreement and nothing needs to be unanimous, but if people are going to the trouble of posting in here to begin with, it's the OPs responsibility to heed advice and not do a ridiculous deal. It's not my responsibility to bend rules to "get Baez over there." But, that just might be another philosophical difference. Ultimately it is a fun vs realism debate that will happen between the ears of the OP that determines what happens. I am just here for the emoticons.



Price is a better option than anyone on the Phillies. I still don't think the Cubs are going to need to deal Baez for a P that everyone knows has to be traded eventually. The Rays have little leverage.



I agree. But I am still not saying a Baez trade has any remote possibility of being realistic at this point.



Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa??

Just because a team has depth doesn't mean they are in a hurry to get rid of that depth. Especially when it is premium, cost-controlled talent for several years.



No, 3 team trades stink. It's not you. They are microscopically rare. And, unfortunately are the trade du jour in here lately.



The money and years committments that Price can get on the open market...well, Theo might balk at matching that for any pitcher even though the Cubs can afford it. Price would be a great get for the Cubs, but we are not at the add that final piece stage or anywhere close to it where that type of investment makes sense.

I like the emoticons too but can never find a good place for them or always use them improperly.

Rays have little leverage? You obviously haven't been listening to the national champ lately...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ytui54sfuFY

We are probably going to have to wait to the off season for the trade but the leverage is 'you better get him before your rival does'. He's getting traded and it will bring a huge haul back to TB. Now, do I see the Cubs getting him? No, I think they'll look to NYM or PIT for young controllable pitching but for the opportunity to get an ace, even if it's a year or two earlier than needed...wow, I just don't see them passing that up. But the cool thing is, the clock is ticking, we'll find out soon enough.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I'd be looking at a % of all majorish trades as teams don't really complete 3 team deals for just nothing. That's, what, minus the older Colon deal, 8 three team deals since 2011ish? That's like 2.5 per year. That's significant enough. No one's recommending 28 three team trades per year, but if teams are struggling finding a fit, bringing in a third team has proven useful in some cases.

Fair enough. I just wouldn't want everyone to be resorting to 3-team deals when regular 2-team trades are much more common/realistic. Once in a blue moon, then, sure I can see that.

[AC]

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Fair enough. I just wouldn't want everyone to be resorting to 3-team deals when regular 2-team trades are much more common/realistic. Once in a blue moon, then, sure I can see that.

I would only use it in a situation that it's necessary. For example, the Stros aren't a fit to trade for Baez, so they bring in the Rays and Price. For example, all the teams that need an SS are poor, have bad farm systems, or both, so the Jays bring in another team with Reyes. I'd much rather just do a straight swap but if you bring in a third team effectively it can be useful.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I like the emoticons too but can never find a good place for them or always use them improperly.

Rays have little leverage? You obviously haven't been listening to the national champ lately...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ytui54sfuFY

We are probably going to have to wait to the off season for the trade but the leverage is 'you better get him before your rival does'. He's getting traded and it will bring a huge haul back to TB. Now, do I see the Cubs getting him? No, I think they'll look to NYM or PIT for young controllable pitching but for the opportunity to get an ace, even if it's a year or two earlier than needed...wow, I just don't see them passing that up. But the cool thing is, the clock is ticking, we'll find out soon enough.

The problem with that type of leverage you are speaking of is..

1) how many teams have the farm system to pull it off?

2) off those teams, how many are in contention?

3) of those teams, how many can afford what will likely be an 8+ year contract at $200-250M+?

That narrows down a lot of perceived teams' interest a lot. For example, the Cardinals wouldn't give that deal to Albert Pujols, so I don't see it for Price either. And the Cardinals 'making sense' for getting Price has been a lot of the page-click bait on trade websites.

Yankees can't afford the prospects. Phillies are in decay, so count them out (right, Ruben? RIGHT??). The Red Sox have their own Jon Lester extension situation to think about. Toronto may or may not make sense depending on what Friedman thinks of facing David Price a few times per season and strengthening a division rival. Same argument of Boston. Tigers don't have the farm system. Ditto the Angels. The Mets have spects, but are broke.

Teams like Seattle and Texas have the spects, but do they have that kind of cash? Would Seattle splurge when SP is not really a problem for them? Texas might need to invest $250M in a team hospital, not another arm that can get hurt.

When you really think about it, it might be only the Cubs and Dodgers as teams that have the total package (top end spects and $$$) for a Price deal. And the Cubs don't make quite as much sense due to their window to contend not opening for another year or 2.

[Deuce2223]

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Correct me if I am wrong, but KMoser is in Late June of 2015 and the Cubs are contending for a Wild Card.

Everyone who says Baez won't be moved is basing that off of Cubs in real life via 2014.

He originally had asked about dealing for Castro who is having a very good season at SS (like .290 with 10 HR's in June). Also said Russell is already up on the MLB team (assume he must be playing 2B or 3B), so I who am a Cubs fan said the Cubs could possibly move Baez, but it would be for a dominating SP at the MLB level that would continue to help them win in 2015 and beyond not a bunch of mid level prospects plus Fowler. (His original deal for Castro)

Price obviously in 2015 would be in the last year of his contract, so to me if you were running 30 team control and could make sure Price stayed in Chicago 100% at the end of the season, then to me I can't think of a better SP to trade Baez, that's rumored to be going anywhere..