MLB The Show 18 Twitch Stream Starting Now - Franchise Mode

[thescoop]

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Didn’t take as an attack, absolutely not. I think you misunderstood my intentions, I’m sorry.

What I mean.. is that if we can temper our expectations, there would be less disappointment when we don’t get that massive feature such as create a stadium.

A lot of misconception around here is that the guys arguing for SDS and taking up for them WANT THE SAME EXACT thing. For some reason, I feel people think We don’t want to see things improved.

By part of the issue, I didn’t mean you are causing problems by wanting stuff, you should absoutley and do absoutley have the right to want and voice that as much as you want. But when we get these great ideas and think maybe that’ll be in next year, it sets you up for disappointment. I’d rather expect low and hope they aim high. BUT voice your opinion and what you want to see as much as possible constructively. If that makes sense.

Sorry if that came across different, problem with internet debates haha.

Thanks for the clarification. I try to avoid conflict on message boards so I find it best to overexplain than to be taken as an attack. I look forward to sharing my future wishlist with you!

[tessl]

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very disappointed.

I know I risk the ire of many posters by being "negative" about the game and the developers (to the point that I now rarely post on this forum and only read for info) but it's high time they stop getting a pass. Franchise has been barely touched for several years. I can't speak on phases since I "get" the details of running a franchise, but if it helps some then great. But beyond that and dealing with the retirement issue (which is a good thing) nothing was done.

I've heard about "better trade logic" in video games for years. And it never works, so I have no expectations for that. But if they weren't going to add major changes to franchise mode then I hope they at least did something about regression/progression. Year after year it's messed up, then they overcompensate the other direction the next year. I honestly can deal with franchise being the same (and using 30 team control to eliminate dumb trades) if they have fixed regression/progression.

But it is sad that they haven't kept up with NBA2k or Madden in franchise with a more immersive world. Expansion, create a stadium, more stats/record tracking (2k is wonderful on this). Year after year I simply don't feel franchise has changed much. It's an afterthought to a company that is thoroughly focused on other revenue producing modes and apparently doesn't have the resources (or chooses not to have them) to work on other things. NBA2k may be pushing micro transactions like crazy but they still have been adding things to franchise mode year after year.

I bought The Show because I like to play video game baseball but I can't say I'm happy with the continued focus on only revenue producing modes to the detriment of everything else.

It seems to me they don't understand the fan base which plays franchise. Last year the big feature was something called "critical situations" which was designed for people who sim games instead of actually playing the games. This year menu fixes to simplify things which are already in the game.

What concerns me though and has me leaning against buying the game is the lack of a gameplay steam in franchise. They promoted new tag animations as a new feature which immediately cause me and others to wonder if they have implemented automatic outs on all close tag plays. Despite the fact the noted it as a new feature they haven't gone in depth to show it unless I missed it in one of the streams.

Some of the other stuff them implemented was flawed such as morale. An example is when minor league players are called up IRL they get a salary boost to MLB minimum but in the show they keep their milb salary which automatically causes them to be unhappy. It's the exact opposite of what happens IRL. Another thing is manager impacting player moral. It may happen in a few cases but Stan Musial for example played for 6 different managers during his career and there was no significant change in his performance. Musial didn't forget how to hit when the Cardinals hired a new manager.

Biggest issue for me though is lack of gameplay streams. Put the game in manage mode on default sliders with no human input and let us see how the game plays as programmed. I'm tired of having to guy the game to find out how it plays.

[PhlliesPhan6]

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When I saw September Call Ups on the schedule I got excited that you would actually be able to call up players on September 1. But it looks like you still have to wait until the minors season is over.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

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Biggest issue for me though is lack of gameplay streams.

Just an FYI - They said at the end of the franchise stream that they have two more streams next week that will be basically all gameplay.

[Dolenz]

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This logic of "the more people play franchise, the more they would put resources towards it" as well as these new menus will make more people play franchise, these things are said as a matter of fact and I just don't see it that way at all. That is a pacification easy to conclude pipe dream. Either you have an affinity towards the mode or you don't, franchise is a grind and it's a particular type of gamer that will grind in a sports game. Most sports gamers are "play now". Your menus will not change that.

I their defense they have done what they could to make it less of a grind with Quick Manage, Player lock and Critical Situations.


I might even try it again this year by taking a break from RTTS and trying a player lock franchise. Game play time to get through a season should be about the same as RTTS. Then it just becomes a matter of how much time you put into the GM functions.

[seasprite]

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Setting yourself up for disappointment there.

And not sure they could add it if they wanted to.

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[Dolenz]

Re: MLB The Show 18 Twitch Stream Starting Now - Franchise Mode

It seems to me they don't understand the fan base which plays franchise. Last year the big feature was something called "critical situations" which was designed for people who sim games instead of actually playing the games. This year menu fixes to simplify things which are already in the game.

What concerns me though and has me leaning against buying the game is the lack of a gameplay steam in franchise. They promoted new tag animations as a new feature which immediately cause me and others to wonder if they have implemented automatic outs on all close tag plays. Despite the fact the noted it as a new feature they haven't gone in depth to show it unless I missed it in one of the streams.

Some of the other stuff them implemented was flawed such as morale. An example is when minor league players are called up IRL they get a salary boost to MLB minimum but in the show they keep their milb salary which automatically causes them to be unhappy. It's the exact opposite of what happens IRL. Another thing is manager impacting player moral. It may happen in a few cases but Stan Musial for example played for 6 different managers during his career and there was no significant change in his performance. Musial didn't forget how to hit when the Cardinals hired a new manager.

Biggest issue for me though is lack of gameplay streams. Put the game in manage mode on default sliders with no human input and let us see how the game plays as programmed. I'm tired of having to guy the game to find out how it plays.

The tagging animations was a big portion of the Gameplay stream, which you should be able to go back and watch. They are a massive improvement in both looks and functionality.


Here is the link. Start watching at about 7:15 in the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep_8-GBQ0_k

[Armor and Sword]

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Didn’t take as an attack, absolutely not. I think you misunderstood my intentions, I’m sorry.

What I mean.. is that if we can temper our expectations, there would be less disappointment when we don’t get that massive feature such as create a stadium.

A lot of misconception around here is that the guys arguing for SDS and taking up for them WANT THE SAME EXACT thing. For some reason, I feel people think We don’t want to see things improved.

By part of the issue, I didn’t mean you are causing problems by wanting stuff, you should absoutley and do absoutley have the right to want and voice that as much as you want. But when we get these great ideas and think maybe that’ll be in next year, it sets you up for disappointment. I’d rather expect low and hope they aim high. BUT voice your opinion and what you want to see as much as possible constructively. If that makes sense.

Sorry if that came across different, problem with internet debates haha.

Yes....we all want more. What has happened here lately though is it seems to have become so argumentative, my wants and needs are more important than yours, if you play DD you are not a real baseball fan, and more importantly the seething, demeaning posts directed towards the development team.

Those IMO are simply uncalled for. They put out a high quality product (offline). They do have competition in terms of RBI, Super Mega and OOTP. All those games give you different ways to play baseball. Two of them are arcade games, one a deep deep simulator and then of course The Show which is IMO the best representation on the diamond of the sport for those who want to be on the field and actually hit, field and pitch with a high degree of precision and skill.

It's ok to be disappointed that feature A or B did not make it in. I am disappointed rotating inter-league schedules again was bypassed as that is a core element of franchise mode that is really missing. Expanded stats were added. Not all of them. There are so many saber-metrics but the common everyday baseball fan will not look at them nor understand how to comprehend them...and more importantly care to understand them. But there is enough beef with the stats they do have to make good sound baseball decisions and coupling that with on field performance and emotional and gut decisions as well. There is a balance to building a team. Morale is important. Knowing what is between a baseball players ears is critical too. The Morale system is basic....I would love to see player personalities to continue to be built upon (Morale and Quirks). That to me is visual and a vital intangible in deciding to sign, trade for or retain a player in addition to physical measurables and statistics. OBP alone is a huge stat.

Anyway I am getting off course. The bottom line is IMO they made some meaningful changes this year with a fresh new interface that IMO is going to breathe a lot of new life into franchise mode and also bring a new generation (hopefully) into the world of being a general manger and team building (but team building with real franchises and not cards).

I see this as a positive long term to us long time old geezer franchise players.

The under the hood tuning was really asked for and we got some. And in the right spots. Bullpen logic, retirement and lineups. Huge thing for me personally. I still love 30 team control....but now setting 40 man rosters for all 30 teams will not be so damn cumbersome!!!

Nothing wrong with criticisms. But I have a huge issue with insults and hyperbole being slung like mud at a great group of guys who really care about this game they make for us each year. They really love playing the game as much as we do.

It's obvious.

[gman2774]

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Seriously? So you think I'm being nit picky cause I want franchise mode to have just a few more things that really should be there? Or did your post mean something else?

Just curious on where your tipping point is. You've made it abundantly clear in this thread that you are not happy with lack of new developments in franchise mode. Seems the passion you have on this topic extends beyond being "nit picky". So I'm genuinely curious if you plan on purchasing the game despite your frustration?

[KBLover]

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No sports game gets Trade logic completely correct, at least The Show has 30 Team control. I wish Fifa/PES could have something similar.

Nope, because sometimes real life doesn't run on logic and objectivity and also because valuation is subjective even as much as we want to try to make it (and pretend it is only) objective.

Yet most of the rules people would like to impose on trading are purely logical and optimal and never financial, impulsive, or sometimes just have different valuations or emotional desire/feel-the-need to improve something, whether it's "rational" or not.

Trading players like trading stocks is not always done on a purely objective basis.

[KBLover]

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Knowing what is between a baseball players ears is critical too. The Morale system is basic....I would love to see player personalities to continue to be built upon (Morale and Quirks). That to me is visual and a vital intangible in deciding to sign, trade for or retain a player in addition to physical measurables and statistics.

Speaking on this and quirks....they need to be earnable through performance (it would be like scouts seeing that a player has done X consistently so now it's part of his toolset/profile). It's sad that so few fictionals have quirks beyond the ones that just mean you hit a certain ratings threshold.

At the very least make them editable (have a quirks menu with the NON-RATINGS ones and let you toggle them yes/no).

[Armor and Sword]

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Nope, because sometimes real life doesn't run on logic and objectivity and also because valuation is subjective even as much as we want to try to make it (and pretend it is only) objective.

Yet most of the rules people would like to impose on trading are purely logical and optimal and never financial, impulsive, or sometimes just have different valuations or emotional desire/feel-the-need to improve something, whether it's "rational" or not.

Trading players like trading stocks is not always done on a purely objective basis.

Bingo.

Last year in my Yankees Franchise on 17....The Rockies were way out of the pennant race in July. Like woefully bad. I blew them up. They were wheeling and dealing to contenders for A and B prospects and I had a blast writing up the storylines of each player that was dealt.

Carlos Gonzlaez - traded to The Rangers then signed in free agency somewhere else
DJ LeMahieu - traded to The Bluejays then resigned with them
Charlie Blackmon - traded to the Cubs and still with them

They also got back Yu Darvish as a center piece in the Texas deal and actually resigned him.

I did all this. Among many other awesome trades around the league and storylines.

The game gives me the tools and power to make it whatever I want it to be.

And then I also have two fantasy draft files where I employ single team control and whatever goes....goes.


Too much fun man. I am having too much fun with sports games these days. Can't say that enough.

[KSUowls]

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I like UI improvements. No matter how well you may know how to navigate cumbersome legacy menus it is still a welcome addition addition in any game.

They "improved trade logic" but really it just fixed bugs from what I could tell (like trading players on waivers). Seeing Endare Inciarte traded for a C level prospect and what looks to be a SCEA player didn't do anything to refute that idea.



Improved retirement logic is a welcome addition. This is definitely the most exciting improvement for me.

Competitive balance rounds are a nice new feature. Not a drastic change, but little things like this do help to bring the The Show closer to a true sim game.

The retirement logic is certainly huge, but outside of the 2 improvements mentioned everything else just seems to be quality of life related. Not bad, not great either. The retirement logic is probably enough to make me want to play this over '17, but I may just wait for a used copy to hit the shelves.

[Armor and Sword]

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Speaking on this and quirks....they need to be earnable through performance (it would be like scouts seeing that a player has done X consistently so now it's part of his toolset/profile). It's sad that so few fictionals have quirks beyond the ones that just mean you hit a certain ratings threshold.

At the very least make them editable (have a quirks menu with the NON-RATINGS ones and let you toggle them yes/no).

Right on. There is so much potential. The good news is. The base is there. The features are there in basic form and only need to be worked on.

These are the things that will make franchise mode more......human. This is the feedback I give them all the time.

Not about build a stadium or owner modes. Let's make team building in franchise mode feel strategical and with a human touch.

Now if the crowd that yearns for expansion mode get's it. Cool. I will use it for sure. But know that that will be the only thing done as it is a huge undertaking in a sports game.

I rather right now see continued logic tuning, player personality, scouting and roster building tools and presentation worked on in earnest. That to me is the soul of franchise mode.

Building a dynasty and feeling like the league is living and breathing.

The new interface is a huge step in that direction. I am choosing to seeing the forest through the trees here on this "Phases" feature.

[TheBleedingRed21]

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Nope, because sometimes real life doesn't run on logic and objectivity and also because valuation is subjective even as much as we want to try to make it (and pretend it is only) objective.

Yet most of the rules people would like to impose on trading are purely logical and optimal and never financial, impulsive, or sometimes just have different valuations or emotional desire/feel-the-need to improve something, whether it's "rational" or not.

Trading players like trading stocks is not always done on a purely objective basis.

Player value and such are so subjective that it’s near impossible to have a perfect trade system when AI is involved.

As a colts fan, a 1st round pick for Trent Richardson occurred... we seen how that went. Wild things happen in real life too that you’d never expect.