MLB The Show 18 Twitch Stream Starting Now - Franchise Mode

[My993C2]

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because of gameplay issues in manage only mode.

And as another Manage Only Player, I will give you a different view. Is the MLB 17 game perfect? Heck no. Yes I too have experience low offense across the board on the default settings. But the low offense can be countered with slider tweaks. Also yes there is a problem in the MLB 17 game concerning balls in catchers feet and base runners taking extra bases. MLB 18 is taking a step closer to resolving this problem and I do hope that it is a balanced approach where yes some base runners will get thrown out as they should but also the faster base runners succeed in taking the extra base. Only time will tell how MLB 18 handles this, but I liked what I saw in the DEV stream concerning the new animations and the fact that the same developer who wrote the base running code also wrote the new tagging code. So in summary not all MoM players think the mode is broken.

Now to stay on topic of this thread. I am not really a Franchise player. I am a Season player and this is because I really don't care about building a dynasty year after year. One 162 game baseball season is enough of a marathon for me. But I did watch the Franchise DEV stream and I thought what they have done is a step in the right direction. Part of why I don't venture into the Franchise mode is I really do not understand all the general manager ins and outs of the sport and the fact that SDS has now created these phases should help people understand what actually happens in a baseball season year after year. It's not enough for me to convert from Season mode to Franchise mode. But perhaps the new Franchise phases will help people who want to understand the general manager aspects of the game better. However, that appears to not be what some Franchise players want. They want some sort of fantasy world? I really don't understand why some people want to relocate every team and build fantasy teams with fantasy stadiums. I really do not care about this sort of thing and I would prefer the DEVs improving game play which over time they have albeit slowly to some. But that's just me. Yeah once in a generation a team relocates to some other city and builds a new stadium. But it does not happen every year.

Finally I am dabbling away from MoM game play (my preferred way to play the game) and into some RTTS games recently. I will try RTTS in MLB 18 however I suspect I might be playing it more in MLB 16 because unless I am mistaken it was in MLB 16 when you could still play the entire game if you wanted to, not just the plays your player was involved in and once again unless I am mistaken SDS took this capability away in MLB 17 and I suspect it won't be coming back any time soon. Sure I understand some people want to play games fast, sure some people think if a game takes more than 18 minutes to play, you are not playing baseball. But this is not how the real world games are played and some of us like to emulate the real world. I feel a real disconnect from the game when I finish pitching an inning in RTTS and all of a sudden I am supposed to pitch another inning seconds later. Give me a chance to go back into the dug out and watch my team bat (plus I am disappointed that I am not allowed to bat even though I got drafted by a NL team). Sure SDS allow people to play hyper accelerated games if they want and even make it the default. But give me a chance to play the whole game through some other configuration setting like what was available in MLB 16. Why did they remove it? So as far as RTTS is concerned, perhaps I will be playing MLB 16 for years to come ... rant over ... I know this is a Franchise thread. My bad.

[tessl]

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Do you copy and paste this to every post you make?

Every post you state you quit playing in June because of gameplay issues in manage only mode.



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I also quit posting on this forum in June in part because of people like yourself who jump on anybody who disagrees instead of having an intelligent discussion. Did they get the color of uniform correct for your favorite team this year?

[countryboy]

MLB The Show 18 Twitch Stream Starting Now - Franchise Mode

I also quit posting on this forum in June in part because of people like yourself who jump on anybody who disagrees instead of having an intelligent discussion. Did they get the color of uniform correct for your favorite team this year?

I didn’t jump on you. If that’s how it came across then I apologize

I was making a joke/light hearted comment hence the

And I don’t have an issue with uniform colors but that’s a topic for a different thread.

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[countryboy]

MLB The Show 18 Twitch Stream Starting Now - Franchise Mode

Sorry phone issue and can’t delete

[extremeskins04]

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I can understand both sides. I know there are players that love The Show unconditionally and will defend it. I also know there are players that are critical. I'm the critical person, but I'm also realistic. But at that same time, I know that giving an excuse that "coding Trade logic is too hard" is pretty ridiculous. No one is asking for it to be perfect to real life, but it can be vastly improved than what it is currently.

[Bunselpower32]

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This is what I always advocated for. The contracts should at least be to scale. One year they tweaked it and the arbitration numbers were never touched, so now you get players earning more in some regards than free agents.

The contracts and financials need a huge overhaul. Rule 5, Waiver trades etc. have not been touched since it was first added. They need refinement and need to work correct to mlb rules.

Stat tracking is far behind. I think awards and records should be attached to player cards.

We should have the option to bring players to mlb roster sept 1 instead of having to wait to minor playoffs over.

Playoff eligibility needs to be addressed. The way it is currently if the player is not on mlb roster sept 1 they are not eligible instead of being on 40.

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Hoo boy you are not kidding. Later on somewhere someone talked about team records too. Overall, tracking of stats for guys and making a big deal about hitting those milestones is very lacking, possibly the most lacking thing about franchise mode.

(not related to the quote) I appreciate the gameplay improvements (most of the reason I'm buying this year's game, it looks better than last year). but I feel that the "well if DD and RTTS keep doing well they'll have money for franchise" is tired and needs to stop being repeated. It's not going to happen, so we as hardcore franchise guys need to accept that when there's money to be made on other modes and not this one, it just isn't going to happen. I'll buy the game for what it is, a baseball simulation, and deal with the rest.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Now to stay on topic of this thread. I am not really a Franchise player. I am a Season player and this is because I really don't care about building a dynasty year after year. One 162 game baseball season is enough of a marathon for me. But I did watch the Franchise DEV stream and I thought what they have done is a step in the right direction. Part of why I don't venture into the Franchise mode is I really do not understand all the general manager ins and outs of the sport and the fact that SDS has now created these phases should help people understand what actually happens in a baseball season year after year. It's not enough for me to convert from Season mode to Franchise mode. But perhaps the new Franchise phases will help people who want to understand the general manager aspects of the game better. However, that appears to not be what some Franchise players want. They want some sort of fantasy world? I really don't understand why some people want to relocate every team and build fantasy teams with fantasy stadiums. I really do not care about this sort of thing and I would prefer the DEVs improving game play which over time they have albeit slowly to some. But that's just me. Yeah once in a generation a team relocates to some other city and builds a new stadium. But it does not happen every year.

Isn't this exactly what RTTS and DD allows people to do with the game? To create an all diamond/planet legend team? To create a 99-OVR super player that bats .450 with 95 home runs? A good chunk of this game is, in fact, allowing gamers to create their own baseball fantasy worlds/teams/players/experiences.

More to your specific question--I'd argue that what Franchise mode players really want, and I've already done so at length--is we want the ability to do things that real franchises can do, that they do all the time, and in some level of depth that attempts to mimic it to the extent possible. Being able to relocate teams is among those things. It's not the end-all be-all and it doesn't need to happen every year to make it a desirable feature.

A lot of folks seem to want to reduce us down to setting hot dog prices as our holy grail, when that's about as absurd as when people insist that all DD players are mindless casuals that know nothing about baseball or that MoM players are insane and why are they watching when they can be playing? There are stereotypes for all types of players. Pretty much all of them are laughable.

But, yeah, we can all agree that improving gameplay is a good thing.

[cervin29]

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Isn't this exactly what RTTS and DD allows people to do with the game? To create an all diamond/planet legend team? To create a 99-OVR super player that bats .450 with 95 home runs? A good chunk of this game is, in fact, allowing gamers to create their own baseball fantasy worlds/teams/players/experiences.

More to your specific question--I'd argue that what Franchise mode players really want, and I've already done so at length--is we want the ability to do things that real franchises can do, that they do all the time, and in some level of depth that attempts to mimic it to the extent possible. Being able to relocate teams is among those things. It's not the end-all be-all and it doesn't need to happen every year to make it a desirable feature.

A lot of folks seem to want to reduce us down to setting hot dog prices as our holy grail, when that's about as absurd as when people insist that all DD players are mindless casuals that know nothing about baseball or that MoM players are insane and why are they watching when they can be playing? There are stereotypes for all types of players. Pretty much all of them are laughable.

But, yeah, we can all agree that improving gameplay is a good thing.

My counter point to that is those are not things a GM does. MLB decides on expansion\relocation, and it's an owner or ownership group that is responsible for the moving of a franchise or creation of one. It's the Franchise Owner that decides to build a new stadium. A GM is responsible for running the baseball operations. Drafting and development, free agency, trades, management decisions. Some have more freedom than others concerning their decision power.

GM's don't set ticket prices, handle concessions processes. Ownership hires people to run those areas for them. They have marketing managers, concession managers, ticket sales managers etc. As long as those managers are making the owner\owners money, I don't think they care. Same principals apply to general managers too. Even now we're seeing teams expand their front offices to have multiple managers. The Cardinals for example made a new position for John Mozeliak as the President of Baseball operations from GM, and made Mike Girsch the GM.

I don't have a problem with what your asking for, but to me it's not realistic at all, and not the focus of "Franchise" mode. The focus is the baseball operations and building a successful team.

You don't want to be the GM, you want to be an owner. I don't see how they can program to fit on a console game all the detailed aspects you wish to have, and still have all the gameplay features the show has. They would have to separate the game to accomplish this, if it's even possible. DD, RTTS, retro mode, and online modes would be one game. What you want would need to be a stand alone "Franchise Owner" edition.

Again, I'm not saying your wrong or have any issues with what you would like to see. I don't think it lines up with the vision SDS has for "Franchise" mode. I think they should call it GM Mode, because that is a more accurate representation of the mode.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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My counter point to that is those are not things a GM does. MLB decides on expansion\relocation, and it's an owner or ownership group that is responsible for the moving of a franchise or creation of one. It's the Franchise Owner that decides to build a new stadium. A GM is responsible for running the baseball operations. Drafting and development, free agency, trades, management decisions. Some have more freedom than others concerning their decision power.

GM's don't set ticket prices, handle concessions processes. Ownership hires people to run those areas for them. They have marketing managers, concession managers, ticket sales managers etc. As long as those managers are making the owner\owners money, I don't think they care. Same principals apply to general managers too. Even now we're seeing teams expand their front offices to have multiple managers. The Cardinals for example made a new position for John Mozeliak as the President of Baseball operations from GM, and made Mike Girsch the GM.

I don't have a problem with what your asking for, but to me it's not realistic at all, and not the focus of "Franchise" mode. The focus is the baseball operations and building a successful team.

You don't want to be the GM, you want to be an owner. I don't see how they can program to fit on a console game all the detailed aspects you wish to have, and still have all the gameplay features the show has. They would have to separate the game to accomplish this, if it's even possible. DD, RTTS, retro mode, and online modes would be one game. What you want would need to be a stand alone "Franchise Owner" edition.

Again, I'm not saying your wrong or have any issues with what you would like to see. I don't think it lines up with the vision SDS has for "Franchise" mode. I think they should call it GM Mode, because that is a more accurate representation of the mode.

I think you're really trying to split hairs here, but if we're getting uber technical about it, notice that I never said we want to do only "what a GM does." I said we want to be able to do what a franchise can do. Broadly defined. This means a combination of gameplay/team-building/front office/owner/league functions. To say that I want to do things beyond what a GM does doesn't invalidate any of my points about the depth of Franchise mode (or lack thereof) and what it could possibly become given proper attention, vision, and development resources.

And I agree with you that their vision doesn't seem to align with mine. I've been quite clear about that.

[Mortimus]

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A lot of smart people here. So many people with good ideas. I'm sure maybe that's the what the devs (even though i don't want to admit) probably go through trying to decide what to add/delete/upgrade. I am not giving them a pass. In fact, I still feel they let us down last couple of years but I also know I am probably not smart enough to see all sides. I will say it is nice, no matter, to have someone to talk baseball/The show with. So, thank you all for being a part of this community and forum. Don't have no one in my real life to discuss baseball with, so it's at least gets my fix even if we disagree.

[cervin29]

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I think you're really trying to split hairs here, but if we're getting uber technical about it, notice that I never said we want to do only "what a GM does." I said we want to be able to do what a franchise can do. Broadly defined. This means a combination of gameplay/team-building/front office/owner/league functions. To say that I want to do things beyond what a GM does doesn't invalidate any of my points about the depth of Franchise mode (or lack thereof) and what it could possibly become given proper attention, vision, and development resources.

And I agree with you that their vision doesn't seem to align with mine. I've been quite clear about that.

I'm not trying to split hairs, and I'm not trying to invalidate you or your ideas either. My main point was I don't think they want to take it that in depth, and I'm not sure they could if they wanted to. That would be quite an undertaking to code into the game in its current state without removing things. Personally, that takes it to far for my taste, it they implement those things without an option to turn them off it will take me out of Franchise.

Where my frustration lies is the lack of expansion on things they have in the game already. Stat tracking, core logic for salaries, trades, and free agency, spring training, player morale, and scouting\drafting. They have touched on some stuff for 18, but they are capable of more so that's why the progress is a little frustrating.

I don't expect perfection, but I believe they can improve those areas. When they get those core functions running better, innovation is fine by me so long as extra features don't become paramount to playing the mode effectively.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I'm not trying to split hairs, and I'm not trying to invalidate you or your ideas either. My main point was I don't think they want to take it that in depth, and I'm not sure they could if they wanted to. That would be quite an undertaking to code into the game in its current state without removing things. Personally, that takes it to far for my taste, it they implement those things without an option to turn them off it will take me out of Franchise.

Where my frustration lies is the lack of expansion on things they have in the game already. Stat tracking, core logic for salaries, trades, and free agency, spring training, player morale, and scouting\drafting. They have touched on some stuff for 18, but they are capable of more so that's why the progress is a little frustrating.

I don't expect perfection, but I believe they can improve those areas. When they get those core functions running better, innovation is fine by me so long as extra features don't become paramount to playing the mode effectively.

Agree wholeheartedly with the bolded part.

In an answer to your first paragraph: add in more depth, but give people the ability to set things to auto. We'll never know what's impossible to code and what isn't until they seriously try to do some of these things and go beyond the "that would be too hard to even consider" stage (or maybe they find clever ways to do some of these difficult things--they are very smart and highly educated people after all). Certainly they do have to be grounded in reality with their resources, business plan, customer feedback etc. But, I'd personally hate to think they lack the ambition to even consider making major additions to the mode. That just comes off as defeatism.

[underdog13]

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If one is going to criticize, do it constructively. Do not be lazy and just say, "look at this (insert game here)", since I can hop over to those forums and almost read the same 'trade logic has issues' posts.

Provide what you think would help.

How was his post not constructive? Do we have to type up a two page post with a solution to every complaint or issue in the game now? He wishes the trade logic was better and more in line with 2k and Madden. That's completely constructive.

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[EnigmaNemesis]

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How was his post not constructive? Do we have to type up a two page post with a solution to every complaint or issue in the game now? He wishes the trade logic was better and more in line with 2k and Madden. That's completely constructive.

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It was not that specific post, it was in general from the current conversation at the time.

I also asked to provide examples, and not the (insert game here).

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[RogerDodger]

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I really don’t understand why more people can’t be excited about the advancements that HAVE been made in 2018?

Ramone isn’t just messing around when he says “game play is king.” He is right, and they seemingly fixed a hell of a lot of gameplay issues that affected ALL players, not just online guys.

And the improvements made to Franchise are not small! They updated logic for injury replacement, CPU lineups, retirement and minor league signings! This will eliminate A LOT of those “it’s a video game” moments that I know we all had with 2017.

And Phases looks great!

I know the rules of baseball like the back of my hand. I could easily navigate the offseason in 2017 without having to Google anything. And yet I am very excited about Phases. I think it will mean the off-season plays out much more similarly that real life, instead of me just doing all the work in early November and then simming along.

Better stadiums, better colours, better game play, better menus, better logic... Shohei Otani and Ronald Acuna... this is going to be the best game ever!!


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Every new release should be 'the best ever', that's a given. Individual gamers will have to decide for themselves before buying '18 whether enough has been done to justify another purchase. Improvements here and there are fine. Could some of those things have been released as patches for '17 though? I think a few probably could have been. For an entirely new release I expect and want a lot more than just fixes and menu updates. That's just the standard I hold a new game to before deciding whether to purchase it though.