MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

[UNDERTAKER1215]

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Well it's not like the Red Sox have compelling prospects so it might just not match up

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What about a lesser target like Tyler Flowers or Kurt Suzuki?


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[GamecocksLaw17]

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What about a lesser target like Tyler Flowers or Kurt Suzuki?


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They had some of the highest WAR figures for catchers in 2017. I don't really know that those are "lesser"

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[cubsgocontinental23]

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Hey guys, haven't posted in here a ton this year, but am getting closer to the deadline in my 30 team control pirates franchise. Was wondering what type of value Ke'Bryan Hayes has as most seem to view him as a top back half of top 100 prospect, however, you guys don't seem to have him in your top 100. I recently drafted my 3rd basemen of the future and was hoping I could make Hayes the centerpiece in a trade for Keon Broxton. Broxton hasn't played up to expectations and the Brewers have a logjam of outfielders and can't find a spot for him. I realize I would have to overpay(inter-division trade), basically just looking for advice on who else I would have to give up to complete this trade. Would also be interested in a 3-team trade involving Corey Dickerson in order to get Broxton.
Stats:
Corey Dickerson: .290/.337/.419, 6 HR, 15 BB, 270 PA, .7 WAR (MLB)
Ke'Bryan Hayes: .256/.321/.384, 5 HR, 16 BB, 225 PA (AA)
Keon Broxton: .240/.301/.392, 1 HR, 10 BB, 136 PA, .7 WAR (MLB)
Records:
Pirates: (36-30)
Brewers: (35-31)
Team Needs:
Pirates: 2B, SS
Brewers: C, ACE SP, RP

Any feedback would be great! Hoping to start posting on here a lot more in the upcoming weeks.

[UNDERTAKER1215]

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They had some of the highest WAR figures for catchers in 2017. I don't really know that those are "lesser"

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I meant lesser as guys that are free agents after the year, and haven’t hit overly well yet in-game. I’ve never paid attention to WAR, and probably never will. What about Chris Iannetta, or Nick Hundley? Or even Jonathan Lucroy?


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[UNDERTAKER1215]

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You kind of have to pay attention to WAR. By asking advice in this thread you are paying attention to WAR.

Flowers and Suzuki would be good targets if the Braves are selling... need some context.


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Just cause I'm asking for advice on here doesn't mean I'm paying attention to WAR, I have NEVER looked at any players WAR because it means nothing to me. For a batter, I look at GP, AVG, OBP, OPS, HR, R, RBI, SB, 2B, 3B, BB, K, to me those are the stats that define a player. J.D. Martinez has a 2.5 WAR, which according to the scale on baseballreference.com, isn't even all-star quality, yet he's the best hitter in baseball this year. I have no problem with the stat being used to calculate trade values and stuff like that, but I'm not going to go after a guy just because he has a 4 or 5 WAR, I go for guys that fit what I'm looking for and for what I'm willing to give up.

I value what you guys say very much, so if you say someone is a no go because of whatever reason, 99% of the time, I'm not going to do it, I just like to put all my ideas out there.

Anyways, to get back to the players I've asked about, anyone I ask about on here is on a losing team, I know I left that out so had would you know. I won't ask about acquiring anyone from a winning team as it usually doesn't make sense unless they are under performing or are getting a bigger/better piece back like 2008's 3-team trade with Manny Ramirez and Jason Bay.

I also asked about Lucroy, Iannetta, and Hundley if those are more realistic options.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Just cause I'm asking for advice on here doesn't mean I'm paying attention to WAR, I have NEVER looked at any players WAR because it means nothing to me. For a batter, I look at GP, AVG, OBP, OPS, HR, R, RBI, SB, 2B, 3B, BB, K, to me those are the stats that define a player. J.D. Martinez has a 2.5 WAR, which according to the scale on baseballreference.com, isn't even all-star quality, yet he's the best hitter in baseball this year. I have no problem with the stat being used to calculate trade values and stuff like that, but I'm not going to go after a guy just because he has a 4 or 5 WAR, I go for guys that fit what I'm looking for and for what I'm willing to give up.

I value what you guys say very much, so if you say someone is a no go because of whatever reason, 99% of the time, I'm not going to do it, I just like to put all my ideas out there.

Anyways, to get back to the players I've asked about, anyone I ask about on here is on a losing team, I know I left that out so had would you know. I won't ask about acquiring anyone from a winning team as it usually doesn't make sense unless they are under performing or are getting a bigger/better piece back like 2008's 3-team trade with Manny Ramirez and Jason Bay.

I also asked about Lucroy, Iannetta, and Hundley if those are more realistic options.

Without any context as to what is going on in your franchise, the players you won't trade, the records of the other teams, etc. Literally all we have to go off of when given generic questions is WAR

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[UNDERTAKER1215]

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Without any context as to what is going on in your franchise, the players you won't trade, the records of the other teams, etc. Literally all we have to go off of when given generic questions is WAR

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I get that and I apologize for that, I usually do put the pertinent information with my questions, but it always seems that when I do, I get those simple answers like "mid-level prospect should get it done," and that kind of irritates me because that tells me nothing (I know, this was the same way, told you nothing), you know give me some names. I'm sure some one like Mike Zunino or Wellington Castillo is gonna cost more than Jake Thompson.

Jonathan Lucroy - OAK (17-20, 8.0 GB) - .202, 5 HR, 12 RBI, 16 R, 104 AB, 12 BB
Tyler Flowers - ATL (17-20, 5.5 GB) - .275, 3 HR, 14 RBI, 15 R, 102 AB, 9 BB
Kurt Suzuki - ATL (17-20, 5.5 GB) - .140, 0 HR, 3 RBI, 2 R, 43 AB, 2 BB
Chris Iannetta - COL (16-21, 8.5 GB) - .240, 6 HR, 19 RBI, 12 R, 104 AB, 15 BB
Nick Hundley - SF (15-22, 9.5 GB) - .154, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 3 R, 26 AB, 3 BB

The Braves are closer than the others, but have lost 7 of their last 10.

Also when I asked about McCann yesterday, I didn't realize the Tigers were in first place by 8 games, so that wouldn't happen anyways.

[UNDERTAKER1215]

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That’s too early for teams to be trading away a catcher with any value. I don’t know enough about those clubs to say whether they have a MLB ready catcher in AAA but I can speak for the Braves:

They have a new park and want to finish over 500. If they trade you either catcher, it means they have Chris Stewart as their backup for the rest of the year. They wouldn’t do that unless you overpay. Since your system isn’t deep and the Braves don’t really need mid-level pitching prospects, they’d want a FV 50 (80-20 scale) or higher which is probably a bad trade for you.

You can apply that logic to any big league club. You can’t just stick anyone at catcher like you can left field. That applies all the way down to A ball. Teams don’t like giving up catchers because it puts them in a position to have to acquire another one right away.


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I know its too early, that's another reason I didn't put any stats the first time, but I like to have an idea as to what I'd be looking at when it comes time for trading.

For the A's, they have Phegley and Garneau that could come up if needed, plus Sean Murphy is suppose to be their catcher of the future. Maxwell would take over starting duties so they could see if he has what it takes.

Hundley is already the backup to Posey so that wouldn't really matter as far as a replacement as they still have Hector Sanchez and Trevor Brown.

This was another reason I asked a couple days ago what Christian Vazquez could get me, as maybe I could package him for another catcher, but in recent games he's picked up his average to a somewhat respectable .240 with Swihart at .280 with 7 RBI and 1 HR in 64 AB, but neither can get any real solid hits. That's what I'm really looking for, someone who can put some muscle behind the ball.

[EL_GABE]

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as the reds..last place..

yanks and redsox battle it out for first
july

joey votto is for trade

if you the reds who would you ask for and if you are boston and ny who would you give'

guys help me make a fair close to real live trade

thanks

[MightyMaxxx13]

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as the reds..last place..

yanks and redsox battle it out for first
july

joey votto is for trade

if you the reds who would you ask for and if you are boston and ny who would you give

From the Yanks I want Greg Bird plus 2 A-potential prospects that are in AA or AAA but haven’t made their debut yet. Not as familir with the Sox farm system but similar formula. At least 2 A-potential prospects plus a current major leaguer with B-potential or better.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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as the reds..last place..

yanks and redsox battle it out for first
july

joey votto is for trade

if you the reds who would you ask for and if you are boston and ny who would you give'

guys help me make a fair close to real live trade

thanks

He has a no trade and has repeatedly stated he doesn't want to leave Cincinnati so there is no "realistic trade"

Surplus is 7.5 x 6 + 4 x 3 + 7.7 = 6.5 average.

6.5 x 7 x 9 = 409.5 - 170= 239.5 million. But he is likely to decline at some point so I would discount around $50 million.

So were still talking over $150 million in value. Boston can't really do that without hurting their big league club. And the Yankees can't unless they give up at least one of their young MLB guys (Andujar, Torres, etc)

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He has a no trade and has repeatedly stated he doesn't want to leave Cincinnati so there is no "realistic trade"

Surplus is 7.5 x 6 + 4 x 3 + 7.7 = 6.5 average.

6.5 x 7 x 9 = 409.5 - 170= 239.5 million. But he is likely to decline at some point so I would discount around $50 million.

So were still talking over $150 million in value. Boston can't really do that without hurting their big league club. And the Yankees can't unless they give up at least one of their young MLB guys (Andujar, Torres, etc)

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Someone put one in the spreadsheet to show how ridiculous it would be to try to match up...Obviously it doesn't discount the aging, but it was:

Votto+Vladimir Guttierez for Torres+Bird+Florial+Sheffield+Chance Adams.

[MrSerendipity]

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Thoughts on sending Rougned Odor to Detroit? As a Ranger fan, I'm as equally over him in The Show as I am IRL. Detroit, being a non-competing team who is attempting a youth resurgence, may see some untapped potential in a guy who has shown flashes. Is a deal like this out of line?

DET: Rougned Odor | Ryan Rua | Carlos Tocci
TEX: Christin Stewart | Jason Krizan

I plan to send him to Detroit regardless, I'm just wondering if this package is too much.

I'm also looking at a few other moves as I attempt to sell at the deadline. Does something like this make sense?

LAD: DeLino DeShields Jr. | Willie Calhoun
TEX: Chris Taylor | Keibert Ruiz

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Thoughts on sending Rougned Odor to Detroit? As a Ranger fan, I'm as equally over him in The Show as I am IRL. Detroit, being a non-competing team who is attempting a youth resurgence, may see some untapped potential in a guy who has shown flashes. Is a deal like this out of line?

DET: Rougned Odor | Ryan Rua | Carlos Tocci
TEX: Christin Stewart | Jason Krizan

I'm also looking at a few other moves as I attempt to sell at the deadline. Does something like this make sense?

LAD: DeLino DeShields Jr. | Willie Calhoun
TEX: Chris Taylor | Keibert Ruiz

Odor can't really get you a top 100 prospect (Christin Stewart). He was worth negative WAR last year.

Also Ruiz and Calhoun are both 50fv so that part is a wash. But Chris Taylor is a pretty substantially better player than DeLino DeShields. So I can't follow the logic the Dodgers would be on with that trade

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Odor can't really get you a top 100 prospect (Christin Stewart). He was worth negative WAR last year.

Also Ruiz and Calhoun are both 50fv so that part is a wash. But Chris Taylor is a pretty substantially better player than DeLino DeShields. So I can't follow the logic the Dodgers would be on with that trade

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Thanks for the response. Yeah, Odor isn't worth much at all. I didn't realize that Stewart was considered a Top 100 prospect though? Burrows is the last guy I see from Detroit on the Top 100 and he's a good 5-6 places ahead of Stewart on Detroit's prospect list. How about a straight up swap for Kody Eaves?

Any thoughts on a home for DeLino or Calhoun? Neither guy really fits in to how I like to build my teams.