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  • Yankees247
    Rookie
    • May 2017
    • 186

    #241
    Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

    Originally posted by MrSerendipity
    I would agree, there appears to be genuine concern that Kohl could leave to pursue a career in the NFL as his tenure in the minors has not been panning out. I could maybe move up from Rodriguez to Matuella to balance the deal out more.



    I like the deal. Final piece will be finding a home for Odor which is going to prove difficult given he has a such low surplus. Could possibly pick up a fringe prospect or two from a team like the Indians.
    I come up with a surplus of 15 million for odor. Could trade him to the dodgers for a 45 FV Guy or possibly a 50 FV pitcher.

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    • MrSerendipity
      MVP
      • Jun 2013
      • 1397

      #242
      Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

      Originally posted by Buehrle56
      In my White Sox franchise i'm looking at 3 things:
      Moving Nate Jones to Houston
      Acquiring Kyle Barraclough from Miami
      Moving James Shields.

      What players am i looking at having to give up to Miami? And what from Houston's farm could i acquire, i really like Cionel Perez and Jonathan Arauz from them, but i dont know if that is too much for asking.
      Nate Jones appears to have a surplus of around 16 Mill. I would probably lean more towards a deal of Solis and Arauz. But if you were willing to throw in a guy like Spencer Adams, you could probably move up to get Perez and Arauz. You might get some clarification on this as some may think I'm out of my mind. I'm still teaching myself a bit about prospect value and professional surplus.

      The only thing I can say about Barraclough is that I don't see Miami being motivated to move him. I would need a little more help from Bard and Co. on developing surplus numbers for players who still have arbitration years ahead of them as well before I could give you a realistic number. Regardless of that, I can tell you he's going to be pricey.

      James Shields appears to have a surplus of around -2 Mill. Thus, you're not going to get much back of note from anyone for Shields unless the guy is balling out at the deadline.
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      • Yankees247
        Rookie
        • May 2017
        • 186

        #243
        Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

        Originally posted by MrSerendipity
        Nate Jones appears to have a surplus of around 16 Mill. I would probably lean more towards a deal of Solis and Arauz. But if you were willing to throw in a guy like Spencer Adams, you could probably move up to get Perez and Arauz. You might get some clarification on this as some may think I'm out of my mind. I'm still teaching myself a bit about prospect value and professional surplus.

        The only thing I can say about Barraclough is that I don't see Miami being motivated to move him. I would need a little more help from Bard and Co. on developing surplus numbers for players who still have arbitration years ahead of them as well before I could give you a realistic number. Regardless of that, I can tell you he's going to be pricey.

        James Shields appears to have a surplus of around -2 Mill. Thus, you're not going to get much back of note from anyone for Shields unless the guy is balling out at the deadline.
        I gave shields a -1 WAR for his final year and then you add in the already 21 million on top of that is where I get -30.
        but I do agree about Barraclough being a little tricky to trade for bc the marlins don’t have to move him right away.

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        • MrSerendipity
          MVP
          • Jun 2013
          • 1397

          #244
          Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

          Originally posted by Yankees247
          Nate Jones has a surplus of 25 million so I think Perez and arauz for Jones is okay.
          Barracrough is worth 30 million surplus so if you give
          Sheets and adolfo.
          Shields has a -30 million surplus so you would need to add in a prospect like a fulmer or dunning just to break even.
          Lol I just responded and my numbers don't match up with yours. I'll trust yours ahead of mine as I'm just getting into all of this and it's a bit messy.

          Originally posted by Yankees247
          I come up with a surplus of 15 million for odor. Could trade him to the dodgers for a 45 FV Guy or possibly a 50 FV pitcher.
          See Bard only came out to around 3 Mill on Odor. Averaging you guys out still only leaves me around the 9 Mill mark. If I'm talking Dodgers, that likely puts me in the territory of getting someone like Morgan Cooper and Ronny Brito?
          2019 OS Realistic Trades and Surplus Log


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          • Yankees247
            Rookie
            • May 2017
            • 186

            #245
            Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

            Originally posted by MrSerendipity
            Lol I just responded and my numbers don't match up with yours. I'll trust yours ahead of mine as I'm just getting into all of this and it's a bit messy.



            See Bard only came out to around 3 Mill on Odor. Averaging you guys out still only leaves me around the 9 Mill mark. If I'm talking Dodgers, that likely puts me in the territory of getting someone like Morgan Cooper and Ronny Brito?
            I believe bard uses 8.5 million per WAR where I use 10 million. I use 10 million based on watching mlb network and listening to the “experts” talk about how much value there is per WAR and they use 10 so if it’s good enough for them that is what I use to factor my numbers but you would be correct in the range of prospects your talking about or even Jordan Sheffield who I think could have some high upside but has kind of failed lately as a prospect.

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            • MrSerendipity
              MVP
              • Jun 2013
              • 1397

              #246
              Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

              Originally posted by Yankees247
              I believe bard uses 8.5 million per WAR where I use 10 million. I use 10 million based on watching mlb network and listening to the “experts” talk about how much value there is per WAR and they use 10 so if it’s good enough for them that is what I use to factor my numbers but you would be correct in the range of prospects your talking about or even Jordan Sheffield who I think could have some high upside but has kind of failed lately as a prospect.
              Ah I see, I see. I started off using 7.5 Mill per WAR and then I moved it up to 8.5 when talking with Bard. Dude knows his stuff. I wish I liked a 2nd piece from the Dodgers but when you're dealing that low in their system, a lot of those positional pieces are already mid-twenties.
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              • Yankees247
                Rookie
                • May 2017
                • 186

                #247
                Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                Originally posted by MrSerendipity
                Ah I see, I see. I started off using 7.5 Mill per WAR and then I moved it up to 8.5 when talking with Bard. Dude knows his stuff. I wish I liked a 2nd piece from the Dodgers but when you're dealing that low in their system, a lot of those positional pieces are already mid-twenties.
                Yeah I understand what you mean about finding someone worth trading him for but unfortunately he just isn’t worth much. It’d pretty much be a salary/roster spot dump. Also agree bard knows his stuff and gives very good advice. I’m trying to help out because I know in years past it gets hectic when osfm rosters are out and it’s hard for one person to keep up. So I hope I can give half as good advice for people.

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                • MrSerendipity
                  MVP
                  • Jun 2013
                  • 1397

                  #248
                  Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                  Originally posted by Yankees247
                  Yeah I understand what you mean about finding someone worth trading him for but unfortunately he just isn’t worth much. It’d pretty much be a salary/roster spot dump. Also agree bard knows his stuff and gives very good advice. I’m trying to help out because I know in years past it gets hectic when osfm rosters are out and it’s hard for one person to keep up. So I hope I can give half as good advice for people.
                  Nah you're doing great man, we all appreciate the contributions. That is why I'm trying to learn fast, so all of the weight doesn't fall solely on Bard. Hoping we might see some of Hampshire and Gamecock again this year as they were also incredibly helpful.
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                  • Yankees247
                    Rookie
                    • May 2017
                    • 186

                    #249
                    Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                    Originally posted by MrSerendipity
                    Nah you're doing great man, we all appreciate the contributions. That is why I'm trying to learn fast, so all of the weight doesn't fall solely on Bard. Hoping we might see some of Hampshire and Gamecock again this year as they were also incredibly helpful.
                    Yeah I am kind of shocked they haven’t shown up. They normally have by now.

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                    • Edreed09
                      Just started!
                      • Sep 2016
                      • 2

                      #250
                      Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                      Going to start a Twins franchise and looking into possibly trading for one of Felipe Rivero, Arodys Vizcaino, or Jake McGee. What are each of their surplus values? I get 24.2 million for Rivero, 4.6 million for Vizcaino, and -1 million for McGee. Did I calculate those right? Rivero's surplus value seems way too low to me

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                      • Buccosback
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2015
                        • 255

                        #251
                        Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                        I'll try to give some advice too but i don't use a system i just do what feels right. i believe not every trade has to be equal just cause they aren't always in real life.

                        Neil Walker for Jon Niese....didn't make sense much but they did it.

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                        • Buccosback
                          Rookie
                          • Apr 2015
                          • 255

                          #252
                          Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                          Originally posted by Edreed09
                          Going to start a Twins franchise and looking into possibly trading for one of Felipe Rivero, Arodys Vizcaino, or Jake McGee. What are each of their surplus values? I get 24.2 million for Rivero, 4.6 million for Vizcaino, and -1 million for McGee. Did I calculate those right? Rivero's surplus value seems way too low to me
                          as a pirates fan i'd say Rivero is off limits irl but for the right price you could take him but you'd have to overpay. 4yr/22mil contract is cheap for his arm.

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                          • JoCo217
                            Rookie
                            • Apr 2017
                            • 45

                            #253
                            Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                            I was wondering about the price and realization of a couple players to trade for. I'll be using the Braves and want a pitcher and outfield bat and have batted around some ideas in here.

                            What would asking price be for Taijuan Walker of D'Backs and would they trade him?
                            And would the Mets be willing to dump Cespedes and what would they want back?

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                            • MrSerendipity
                              MVP
                              • Jun 2013
                              • 1397

                              #254
                              Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                              Originally posted by JoCo217
                              I was wondering about the price and realization of a couple players to trade for. I'll be using the Braves and want a pitcher and outfield bat and have batted around some ideas in here.

                              What would asking price be for Taijuan Walker of D'Backs and would they trade him?
                              And would the Mets be willing to dump Cespedes and what would they want back?
                              Taijuan Walker for Ian Anderson straight up would probably do the trick. Someone else could disagree with that but we did Walker for Happ straight up last year. Walker is a year older and Anderson is a 50-75 Prospect.

                              I'll let somebody else answer on Cespedes. I don't know if he's really on the market.
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                              • dking30
                                Rookie
                                • Jul 2013
                                • 151

                                #255
                                Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                                Good trade fits for Bour and Realmuto?

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