MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

[HighCmpPct]

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Also for your Yanks for MadBum trade could Freicer Perez be swapped for Andujar? If not, what about if Holder was added?

[kenp86]

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No way Tigers trade Faedo in that deal. That deal is good with just iglesias for Frazier

[MrSerendipity]

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Is Dave Stewart running the DBacks again? No way that happens. Way way way to much for Andrus

A's trading Fowler for Ramus is highway robbery for the O's

Schoop is worth more than that.

Avasial Garcia isn't netting that kinda haul.

Feel like Donaldson alone is worth more than those 2 Spects'.


The other trades look good to me. I have a MadBum trade to Yanks and Astros a few pages back.

You realize that Elvis has 130M+ in surplus right? Duplantier, Smith, Chisholm and Varsho alone only make up for around 70M in Surplus. Shipley has 5+ ERA over 95 Innings and his surplus is probably sitting somewhere around 15-20M.

So while I understand that surplus is only a part of what makes a realistic trade, how exactly is Texas getting 40-45M less in surplus, "Way way way too much?"

[GamecocksLaw17]

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You realize that Elvis has 130M+ in surplus right? Duplantier, Smith, Chisholm and Varsho alone only make up for around 70M in Surplus. Shipley has 5+ ERA over 95 Innings and his surplus is probably sitting somewhere around 15-20M.

So while I understand that surplus is only a part of what makes a realistic trade, how exactly is Texas getting 40-45M less in surplus, "Way way way too much?"

Elvis Andrus can opt out after 2018. That complicates things in my opinion

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[GamecocksLaw17]

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No way Tigers trade Faedo in that deal. That deal is good with just iglesias for Frazier

I don't think it's good in the Yankees eyes. Iglesias would be their 3rd best SS. Why give up Frazier for that?

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[GamecocksLaw17]

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Also for your Yanks for MadBum trade could Freicer Perez be swapped for Andujar? If not, what about if Holder was added?

No. You can't add average prospects in place of upper end prospects and get MadBum

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[MrSerendipity]

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Elvis Andrus can opt out after 2018. That complicates things in my opinion

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Sure, but he won't. I'm pretty sure if you sim through the season, 10 times out of 10 he opts to continue with his contract. So this has to be treated like Elvis is going to opt in and lock himself in at the 130M+ surplus. Otherwise, whoever trades for Elvis, gets to drastically cheat the system by going off of two season's surplus when they will get him for five years.

I mean, I'm not a huge fan of the Arizona trade myself, but for opposite reasons. One of the biggest pulls in the trade is Pavin, who has no role with Texas. Take out that 20M in surplus and you're even further away from knocking out something fair.

[Councilmann_Jamm]

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You realize that Elvis has 130M+ in surplus right? Duplantier, Smith, Chisholm and Varsho alone only make up for around 70M in Surplus. Shipley has 5+ ERA over 95 Innings and his surplus is probably sitting somewhere around 15-20M.

So while I understand that surplus is only a part of what makes a realistic trade, how exactly is Texas getting 40-45M less in surplus, "Way way way too much?"

He can't opt out after 2018 and reports are he is strongly considering it. Him opting out is more realistic than stay until 2023

I personally don't think even with his value he's worth Arizona #1,2,3,6 prospects.

Andrus was very average and people were questioning the contract. He had a hell of a year last year and by all accounts will not be able to keep that up.

Only a few teams contending need a SS. Even with his value at an all time.high . Arizona is one of contending team but if Texas is trading him..it means it's the start of a rebuild and going young, which would drive down some value.

Lastly just like real GM we all have different opinions on players value and that's perfectly fine. No one is right on anything. Just my thoughts.

If Zona makes that deal he isn't netting 4 top 10 prospects. Chisolm and Dalton Varsho is fine.

[Councilmann_Jamm]

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Also for your Yanks for MadBum trade could Freicer Perez be swapped for Andujar? If not, what about if Holder was added?

No. As stated before. MadBum is netting the Giants the goods. It starts with Frazier and Andujar.

[Councilmann_Jamm]

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I don't think it's good in the Yankees eyes. Iglesias would be their 3rd best SS. Why give up Frazier for that?

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I thought the trade was for Rasiel glesias. Not Jose. So that means the trade isn't worth it for Yanks.

[Councilmann_Jamm]

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Who should come off the Dbacks trade? It was hard to judge giving Andrus high *** surplus on the sheet.

Help me fix the Garcia and Schoop trades please, how about Jefferson Mejia instead for Rasmus?

In my reason I did the Donaldson trade that way was his surplus was stated at 22m with Martin having a negative 7m value. Idk can you think of something better?

Thanks for your feedback as well man.

Garcia to Cubs

Pick between Alex Lange, Brandon Little, Thomas Hatch to go with David Bote

Jonathan Schoop

Personally for franchise reasoning. I think Schoop to the Dodgers makes too much sense. That seems like a match made in heaven and I'm working on those logistics right now.

Josh Donaldson

Cardinals - Matt Carpenter and Jedd Gyorko

Braves - Ender Incarte and Sean Newcomb and Christian Pache

[MrSerendipity]

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He can't opt out after 2018 is reports are he is strongly considering it.

I personally don't think even with his value he's worth Arizona #1,2,3,6 prospects.

Andrus was very average and people were questioning the contract. He had a hell of a year last year and by all accounts will not be able to keep that up.

Only a few teams contending need a SS. Even with his value at an all time.high . Arizona is one of contending team but if Texas is trading him..it means it's the start of a rebuild and going young, which would drive down some value.

Lastly just like real GM we all have different opinions on players value and that's perfectly fine. No one is right on anything. Just my thoughts.

If Zona makes that deal he isn't netting 4 top 10 prospects. Chisolm and Dalton Varsho is fine.

I need to hit a few points here.

Can Elvis opt out? Yes. Will he in real life? We don't know. But in this video-game universe that the user is playing in, Elvis will not. And that is the reality we have to deal in. Elvis will be with the team for five seasons.

As for Elvis being average, he posted a 4.7 WAR in 2017 and a 3.7 WAR in 2016. He was a Top 5 SS in 2017 and a Top 10 SS in 2016. Even the year before that he finished with a 2+ WAR. Elvis had one poor season in 2014 that everyone over-reacted too because he had just been given a big contract.

Even if only a few teams would be contending for his services, that means his value is high. Both New York teams, Arizona, Minnesota, Milwaukee and St. Louis are all teams just off the top of my head that could be interested in Elvis. That is without doing any research.

And simply because a team is trading to rebuild, doesn't mean the price lowers on a player. Elvis is 29, has spent his entire career in Texas and is beloved by fans. Realistically, he could be the central veteran player who helps younger guys get adapted to the game. Simply because one is rebuilding, doesn't mean their players lose value. Texas doesn't HAVE to trade Elvis.

Machado's value didn't go down because Baltimore is likely rebuilding. Neither did Donaldson's. It makes no sense for Elvis' value to take a hit when literally nobody else does.

You're basically stating that a guy like Machado or Donaldson (given the trades we've approved in this thread) is worth more in half of a season than Elvis is over five years. Your suggested trade of Chisholm and Varsho is ludicrous. Elvis is not being dealt to anyone for two prospects that aren't even sniffing Top 100.

I certainly respect your opinion but I fully believe you're extremely off in assessing his value here.

[kinsmen7]

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I need to hit a few points here.

Can Elvis opt out? Yes. Will he in real life? We don't know. But in this video-game universe that the user is playing in, Elvis will not. And that is the reality we have to deal in. Elvis will be with the team for five seasons.

Less than a week ago you said that Osuna had no value because "This is a realistic trade thread, we deal in realism and Osuna has no value because nobody will want him".

Now that it's a Ranger involved, even though it's fairly apparently that in real life he'll opt out, you flip back to "he doesn't opt out in the video game so that's the reality we have to deal with".

[MrSerendipity]

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Garcia to Cubs
Josh Donaldson

Cardinals - Matt Carpenter and Jedd Gyorko

Why would Toronto want either of those guys? If they're dealing Donaldson, it is to get younger and reset their clock. Donaldson isn't getting dealt unless they're getting a prospect package.

[Councilmann_Jamm]

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Why would Toronto want either of those guys? If they're dealing Donaldson, it is to get younger and reset their clock. Donaldson isn't getting dealt unless they're getting a prospect package.

Value wise - The money matches up for both teams.

Carpenter would go to 2nd base which gives him more value + 2 years of controls

Gyorko will have value at all position.