MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

[shawn0227]

Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

I'm not big on establishing surplus for guys like Koda who have multiple years in the league but very little playing time. It kind of skews their value. I'd feel relatively comfortable saying you could give up Spencer Adams and AJ Puckett for him.







We don't really have anything established unfortunately, just because in reality the only true surplus values we have for prospects are for those Top 100 Prospects. I've been suggesting people keep a Franchise on the side that is loaded up with OSFM so when you do get those future guys, you can right down their OVR | POT | AGE and measurables (speed, fielding, hitting, power) to discern what real life prospect they match up with the most. That would at least make it easier to think about in terms of trading because you could use the real-life prospect comparison in this thread for better assistance.



Sorry, I know that is a bit more involved than what you were probably looking for but its the best that I can personally come up with right now.

I kind of figured this was the answer. I don’t mind posting all the stats but was just wondering if there was something as I thought I saw something in years past but don’t remember. Some of these prospects I am about to mention are guys I just drafted and I know it’s not realistic to trade them. I’m not so concerned with realism as I am with making sure values match up.

But anyway it’s 2019 and tore down the Orioles and have stocked piled a good amount of B-Potential and drafted three A-Potential players. I want to add a front line starter like a Chris Archer, or Michael Fulmer who has some control left. Archer has two years including 2019, and Fulmer has three years left.

In the trade for Schoop I received Yadier Alvarez (Current Overall 76, 89 Potential) SP Mitchell White (Current Overall 70, 86 Potential). I also have a 3B who is 19 years old ,68 ovr with a 86 potential, 48 contact vs R, 79 contact vs L, 62 Fielding, 63 Speed. Power numbers are super low at 38 and 42. A 18 year old SP who is 65 ovr, and a 91 Pot. He has 53 H/9, 33 K/9, 71 BB/9, 47 HR/9, 80 stamina and 99 velocity rating.

Also, have 22 year old 2B Who looks to be major league ready right out of the draft. 72 ovr, 95 pot. 58 contact vs R, 58 contact vs L. 69 power vs R, 62 Power vs L. 65 fielding, 68 speed. Has all IF spots as secondary positions.

Sorry for the long post but this should give you a good idea of what I am working with in year two of my franchise. I also have Hunter Harvey currently slotted for my rotation as he is a 78 ovr now with a 92 potential. If the return is right I would be willing to trade him too.


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[BlueJays09]

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Finally, just before the All Star break and starting to slide. I was doing well early, but the team has fallen off. Can't see me competing with Boston or New York so looking to shop some of my guys. Keep in mind, some of the players might have a low value in real life, but in my game, they are doing much better.

Jaime Garcia - 85.1IP, 2-7 (14 starts), 5.59 ERA, 1.46 WHIP, 50/29, 0.8 WAR
Aaron Loup - 31.2 IP, 2-1 2.56 ERA, 1.23 WHIP 19/7, 0.8 WAR
Roberto Osuna - 36 IP 3-1, 2.50 ERA, 0.97 WHIP, 46/8, 0.6 WAR 25/27 SV

Justin Smoak - 256AB , .324/.378/.609, 20 HR, 53 RBI 2.9 WAR (1yr/6.5M opt)
Kendrys Morales - 269AB, .301/.333/.572, 17 HR, 44 RBI, 1.3 WAR
Kevin Pillar - 267AB, .228/.252/.296, 2 HR 18 RBI, 5 SB, 0.1 WAR

As you can see, Smoak and Morales are in the middle of my order and producing well. I feel I should cash in while I can. I will probably move Donaldson/Grichuck as well, but their values are known. Pillar I know has a good surplus, but I just can't hit with him, so feel I should cash in on him as well.

For the pitchers Osuna is having a good year and isn't suspended in my franchise. Garcia I don't expect too much, but maybe similar to the Liriano deal last year? Loup could be a quality LHP out of the bullpen for contender. Here are the teams needing each position:

SP - A's, Marlins, Pirates, Giants - wild card contenders and injuries
LH RP - Indians, Astros, Angels, Mariners, Rangers, DBacks
1B - Rockies, Dodgers (Bellinger out for season), Mets, Angels, Mariners, Mets, Nationals (Zimmerman out for season)
3B - Cardinals the glaring option here. They just acquired Abreu so going all in. Mets also an option with Frazier struggling.
OF - Angels, A's, Indians, Rangers (already an approved deal for Grichuk), Cubs, Giants, Marlins could use Pillar

I could deal Grichuk to Texas, Donaldson to STL/NYM, Smoak/Morales to COL/LAD/NYM (If no JD), Loup to CLE/HOU/LAA/SEA/ARI, Garcia to OAK/MIA/PIT and Pillar to SF/CHI.

It would be greatly appreciated if I could get values for the players at least, so I can research some potential asks. It would be even better if I could get some ideas from the teams listed just above on potential returns.

Thanks for your help in advanced!

[HighCmpPct]

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Finally, just before the All Star break and starting to slide. I was doing well early, but the team has fallen off. Can't see me competing with Boston or New York so looking to shop some of my guys. Keep in mind, some of the players might have a low value in real life, but in my game, they are doing much better.

Jaime Garcia - 85.1IP, 2-7 (14 starts), 5.59 ERA, 1.46 WHIP, 50/29, 0.8 WAR
Aaron Loup - 31.2 IP, 2-1 2.56 ERA, 1.23 WHIP 19/7, 0.8 WAR
Roberto Osuna - 36 IP 3-1, 2.50 ERA, 0.97 WHIP, 46/8, 0.6 WAR 25/27 SV

Justin Smoak - 256AB , .324/.378/.609, 20 HR, 53 RBI 2.9 WAR (1yr/6.5M opt)
Kendrys Morales - 269AB, .301/.333/.572, 17 HR, 44 RBI, 1.3 WAR
Kevin Pillar - 267AB, .228/.252/.296, 2 HR 18 RBI, 5 SB, 0.1 WAR

As you can see, Smoak and Morales are in the middle of my order and producing well. I feel I should cash in while I can. I will probably move Donaldson/Grichuck as well, but their values are known. Pillar I know has a good surplus, but I just can't hit with him, so feel I should cash in on him as well.

For the pitchers Osuna is having a good year and isn't suspended in my franchise. Garcia I don't expect too much, but maybe similar to the Liriano deal last year? Loup could be a quality LHP out of the bullpen for contender. Here are the teams needing each position:

SP - A's, Marlins, Pirates, Giants - wild card contenders and injuries
LH RP - Indians, Astros, Angels, Mariners, Rangers, DBacks
1B - Rockies, Dodgers (Bellinger out for season), Mets, Angels, Mariners, Mets, Nationals (Zimmerman out for season)
3B - Cardinals the glaring option here. They just acquired Abreu so going all in. Mets also an option with Frazier struggling.
OF - Angels, A's, Indians, Rangers (already an approved deal for Grichuk), Cubs, Giants, Marlins could use Pillar

I could deal Grichuk to Texas, Donaldson to STL/NYM, Smoak/Morales to COL/LAD/NYM (If no JD), Loup to CLE/HOU/LAA/SEA/ARI, Garcia to OAK/MIA/PIT and Pillar to SF/CHI.

It would be greatly appreciated if I could get values for the players at least, so I can research some potential asks. It would be even better if I could get some ideas from the teams listed just above on potential returns.

Thanks for your help in advanced!

Here's the values I got. (Osuna I had to guesstimate on his ARB years salary so I assumed at 6m,7m,8m)

Jamie Garcia: 3.6m
Justin Smoak: 13.2m
Kendrys Morales: 53m
Aaron Loup: 2.9m
Kevin Pillar: 52m
Roberto Osuna: around 35m

[GamecocksLaw17]

Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

Here's the values I got. (Osuna I had to guesstimate on his ARB years salary so I assumed at 6m,7m,8m)

Jamie Garcia: 3.6m
Justin Smoak: 13.2m
Kendrys Morales: 53m
Aaron Loup: 2.9m
Kevin Pillar: 52m
Roberto Osuna: around 35m

Can I ask how you got that for Morales? He's a pretty terrible contract and not a great hitter for a DH

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[Bard]

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Can I ask how you got that for Morales? He's a pretty terrible contract and not a great hitter for a DH

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Was just about to say the same. That is way too high for Morales.

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[Councilmann_Jamm]

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Hey Serendipity, what you think a Schoop to Cleveland deal could look like?

I personally think their needs to be adjustments to the "formulas" for a player like Schoop. I'm not just speaking of Schoop because he's an Oriole. Their are other players who fit this criteria I've been thinking about.

26 years old with 2+ years of control. While his first few years he didn't perform well, which will affect his value. He has hit his stride and next 2 years of control will be the beginning of his "peak" years.

Maybe add another year to his contract when multiplying his value.

So under formula it would be

1.4(6) + 2.4(3) + 5.2(1) = 20.4

2.04 x 9 x 2 = 36.72

36.72 - 20.5 = 16.22 - I think Schoop being trade at his "Peak" years is worth more than that.

If we add another year for value + new team gets ability for a QO

2.04 x 9 x 3 = 55.08

55.08 - 20.5 = 34.28 - More resemblance for his peak years.

[HighCmpPct]

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Can I ask how you got that for Morales? He's a pretty terrible contract and not a great hitter for a DH

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Was just about to say the same. That is way too high for Morales.

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My bad was doing a lot of guys in a hurry forgot to divide his by 10.

Actual value: -15m

[HighCmpPct]

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I personally think their needs to be adjustments to the "formulas" for player like Schoop. I'm not just speaking of Schoop because he's an Oriole. Their are other players who fit this criteria I've been thinking about.

26 years old with 2+ years of control. While his first few years he didn't perform well, which will affect his value. He has hit his stride and next 2 years of control will be the beginning of his "peak" years.

Maybe add another year to his contract when multiplying his value.

So under formula it would be

1.4(6) + 2.4(3) + 5.2(1) = 20.4

2.04 x 9 x 2 = 36.72

36.72 - 20.5 = 16.22 - I think Schoop being trade at his "Peak" years is worth more than that.

If we add another year for value + new team gets ability for a QO

2.04 x 9 x 3 = 55.08

55.08 - 20.5 = 34.28 - More resemblance for his peak years.

I like that idea, cause honestly If you matched his value from the regular formula then no one would agree with the trade lol.

How much was Nolan Jones worth again? 19m?

[Councilmann_Jamm]

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I like that idea, cause honestly If you matched his value from the regular formula then no one would agree with the trade lol.

How much was Nolan Jones worth again? 19m?

Bard, Seprendipty have different formula for Prospect Values. I posted mine a few pages back. I think they do values for 6 years worth of control. I guess if you multiply my value x 6. Nolan Jones would be worth 24 million.

Nolan Jones is worth 3.75 million with my value. A - B prospect that's years away from reaching the show. He is not considered a Top 200 prospect.

Both systems for valuation is fine. I personally don't like the contract stretching as it tends to overvalue prospects and Jones is so young and not considered a top 200 prospect. Anything can happen over the next 2 years to a player. He could bust or become amazing.

[HighCmpPct]

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Bard, Seprendipty have different formula for Prospect Values. I posted mine a few pages back. I think they do values for 6 years worth of control. I guess if you multiply my value x 6. Nolan Jones would be worth 24 million.

Nolan Jones is worth 3.75 million with my value. A - B prospect that's years away from reaching the show. He is not considered a Top 200 prospect.

Both systems for valuation is fine. I personally don't like the contract stretching as it tends to overvalue prospects and Jones is so young and not considered a top 200 prospect. Anything can happen over the next 2 years to a player. He could bust or become amazing.

Personally I'd probably see his value in between the two. Prospects are overvalued today, that's just how it is.

[MrSerendipity]

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Hey Serendipity, what you think a Schoop to Cleveland deal could look like?

I like this. I’m at the doc right now because I’m an idiot and cut my cornea, so let me get home and I’ll check that out.

My natural instinct would say McKenzie but that might be too steep. I’m thinking a package around Nolan Jones might be more appropriate.

We can get some additional thoughts on this but here is what I'm thinking.

CLE REC: Schoop
BAL REC: Nolan Jones | Willi Castro | Shane Bieber

I personally think their needs to be adjustments to the "formulas" for a player like Schoop. I'm not just speaking of Schoop because he's an Oriole. Their are other players who fit this criteria I've been thinking about.

26 years old with 2+ years of control. While his first few years he didn't perform well, which will affect his value. He has hit his stride and next 2 years of control will be the beginning of his "peak" years.

Maybe add another year to his contract when multiplying his value.

So under formula it would be

1.4(6) + 2.4(3) + 5.2(1) = 20.4

2.04 x 9 x 2 = 36.72

36.72 - 20.5 = 16.22 - I think Schoop being trade at his "Peak" years is worth more than that.

If we add another year for value + new team gets ability for a QO

2.04 x 9 x 3 = 55.08

55.08 - 20.5 = 34.28 - More resemblance for his peak years.

I completely understand your thought process on this. My only concern is choosing who is and isn't worth that "extra year" of value because there are certainly going to be players like Schoop who fit that mold but there are also going to be players that don't.

Bard, Seprendipty have different formula for Prospect Values. I posted mine a few pages back. I think they do values for 6 years worth of control. I guess if you multiply my value x 6. Nolan Jones would be worth 24 million.

Nolan Jones is worth 3.75 million with my value. A - B prospect that's years away from reaching the show. He is not considered a Top 200 prospect.

Both systems for valuation is fine. I personally don't like the contract stretching as it tends to overvalue prospects and Jones is so young and not considered a top 200 prospect. Anything can happen over the next 2 years to a player. He could bust or become amazing.

To speak transparently, our numbers were pulled from a Professional Baseball writing team that did the research on their end and devised the numbers.

I will agree that the numbers feel stretched and tend to create a narrative in which higher-end players are nearly impossible to attain. With that said, we're living in an age in which prospects are a very hot commodity. I mean look at how many times somebody in this thread feels their team wouldn't move on from a prospect to bring in a star player. They're very much over-valued. That is part of the reason why we stuck with the numbers we've found. But I saw your numbers and I personally felt they were fair.

[HolyStroke3]

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What would I have to package with Daniel Mengden for Julio Teheran or Michael Wacha (preferably Teheran for the extra year of control) at the deadline?



EDIT: and a deal sending Machado to Chicago (30 team control)


CHC: SS M. Machado (90) & CF A. Jones (76)

BAL: LF I. Happ (80), SP A. Alzolay (59/86/#1), SP O. De La Cruz (70/80/#3), SP B. Little (59/83/#6), 2B D. Bote (61/72/#14), SP D. Underwood (65/78/#29), SS C. Young (66/73)

[HolyStroke3]

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The links in the first post don't work, can someone post the surplus value to prospect value breakdown?

[Bard]

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The links in the first post don't work, can someone post the surplus value to prospect value breakdown?

Fixed but here it is.

http://www.thepointofpittsburgh.com/...dated-edition/

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[GamecocksLaw17]

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What would I have to package with Daniel Mengden for Julio Teheran or Michael Wacha (preferably Teheran for the extra year of control) at the deadline?



EDIT: and a deal sending Machado to Chicago (30 team control)


CHC: SS M. Machado (90) & CF A. Jones (76)

BAL: LF I. Happ (80), SP A. Alzolay (59/86/#1), SP O. De La Cruz (70/80/#3), SP B. Little (59/83/#6), 2B D. Bote (61/72/#14), SP D. Underwood (65/78/#29), SS C. Young (66/73)

I feel like 7 players for Machado and Jones is a bit overkill. Honestly Ian Happ should get you the majority of the way there himself. His 5 years of service time left should cover the majority of value you get out of 3 months of Machado and Jones

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