MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

[MrSerendipity]

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Well it depends. If Tucker is still in AAA at age 24-25. I don't think he's really considered a top tier prospect.

So the trade could work. Dependant on what's happening in the franchise.

Fisher is 24 but Tucker is only 21. Fisher surprisingly hasn't developed much at all despite his potential. Tucker is sitting around 69 so he'll be a solid starter in 2-3 years. I imagine Houston would want to hold on to him and simply relinquish Reed and a guy like Ferguson or Dawson.

For teams who need outfielder. For my Adam Jones trades it always came down to the Angles, Indians, and Mets.

I tend to send Jones to SF in mine simply because his surplus is so low but I think the Indians are a pretty solid option for any team shopping a good CF.

[Councilmann_Jamm]

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Fisher is 24 but Tucker is only 21. Fisher surprisingly hasn't developed much at all despite his potential. Tucker is sitting around 69 so he'll be a solid starter in 2-3 years. I imagine Houston would want to hold on to him and simply relinquish Reed and a guy like Ferguson or Dawson.


I tend to send Jones to SF in mine simply because his surplus is so low but I think the Indians are a pretty solid option for any team shopping a good CF.

Isn't Tucker 21 now. So.2020 he'd be 23?

If Tucker is 21 then no.way that Cespedes trade happens.

23 and still in AAA means he hasn't reach potentia and probably dropped in team rankings

[MrSerendipity]

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Isn't Tucker 21 now. So.2020 he'd be 23?

If Tucker is 21 then no.way that Cespedes trade happens.

23 and still in AAA means he hasn't reach potentia and probably dropped in team rankings

Wait, you're right, that is weird. It is only the off-season after the 2019 season but he should at least be 22 right now in the game.

[BlueJays09]

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It looks like Gamecock already responded and I'll agree. Sometimes these teams just aren't good trade partners. Off the top of my head, I think you could take a look at some of these teams:

Cleveland
Minnesota (Corner Outfielder maybe?)
Atlanta (Corner Outfielder maybe?)

Cleveland is a fit. Here are some options I am looking at:

1) Pillar (52) for Triston McKenzie (45.9) + Quentin Holmes (40 FV) or Logan Ice (40 FV)

2) Danny Salazar (43) + Will Benson (11)

Any of these deals work?

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Cleveland is a fit. Here are some options I am looking at:

1) Pillar (52) for Triston McKenzie (45.9) + Quentin Holmes (40 FV) or Logan Ice (40 FV)

2) Danny Salazar (43) + Will Benson (11)

Any of these deals work?

Now this is my opinion and absolutely not the rule or anything like that but,

Teams don't really like to send over one single prospect who covers almost the entirety of the surplus value unless the player they're getting in return is a star quality player. Generally when you have a mid-level good but not amazing player like Pillar is that's when you get a grouping of three or so prospects who are all good but are not elite like McKenzie is

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[Councilmann_Jamm]

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Thanks for the follow-up! BTW, I was binge-watching a certain show on Netflix and died laughing when I realized where your username was from.

I'm thinking I will do these two trades:

ATL REC: Manny Machado
BAL REC: Kolby Allard | Austin Riley | 2019 Draftee A POT Low OVR

I wanted to strike balance between the Stanton trade and then the huge haul Machado could technically get. In this instance, Allard is getting beat out by Soroka for his place in the rotation, Riley loses his spot on the MLB roster to Machado and Baltimore sweetens the deal with a young high potential outfielder.

CLE REC: Justin Turner
LAD REC: Nellie Rodriguez | Juan Hillman

There aren't many teams vying for Turner but Cleveland can use him at first base.

Those work out food for all teams involved.


And little did you know during the whole Elvis Andrus debacle. YOU GOT JAMMED.

[MrSerendipity]

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Those work out food for all teams involved.





And little did you know during the whole Elvis Andrus debacle. YOU GOT JAMMED.

Lmao. I love it dude. I’m working my way back through it now and I was dying last night when I made the connection.

[brandonholmes]

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I don't have the time to work out a deal so maybe someone else can help you flesh this out a bit more. With that said, the reason that Machado is fetching so much in this deal is because of the "in-state" like rivalry that Boston and Washington has. This is being treated like an inner-division trade more or less, whereas Toronto and Washington have nothing like that. Soto is probably a possibility for you but I think realistically, you're only getting one additional piece in this deal and it's probably a 15-20 guy in their farm.

To add to this, I don't think Washington is as motivated to go after a guy like Donaldson as they would be to get a guy like Machado who is younger and has a budding relationship with the guy Washington is desperately hoping to resign.

Thanks for the reply. I understand the “in-state” rivalry at play affects the return, im simply trying to understand (or start a dialogue, if you prefer) on Donaldson/Machado. I’m obviously biased here, but I see JD as the superior player over the last 3 seasons (based on the metrics we use in this thread), while Manny seems to have this mythical status amongst baseball types that’s kind-of unearned, in my opinion. This is particularly poignant when you consider that he, like Donaldson, is an expiring contract with no guarantee of re-signing, particularly from a Nats standpoint. It’s great that they’re good buddies, but we’re talking what, $600 million in salary commitments if they were both inked? Doesn’t seem likely that they’ll end up in the same place to me.

Definitely not trying to play down your evaluation or anything, though I probably wouldn’t move the arm in the deal for just Soto+lotto ticket, but more start a conversation on different values for these guys, since they’re two likely trade candidates guys will be looking to move in their franchises, and I kinda feel like the surplus ding applied to Donaldson is unwarranted given my math, if that makes sense.

[Councilmann_Jamm]

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Thanks for the reply. I understand the “in-state” rivalry at play affects the return, im simply trying to understand (or start a dialogue, if you prefer) on Donaldson/Machado. I’m obviously biased here, but I see JD as the superior player over the last 3 seasons (based on the metrics we use in this thread), while Manny seems to have this mythical status amongst baseball types that’s kind-of unearned, in my opinion. This is particularly poignant when you consider that he, like Donaldson, is an expiring contract with no guarantee of re-signing, particularly from a Nats standpoint. It’s great that they’re good buddies, but we’re talking what, $600 million in salary commitments if they were both inked? Doesn’t seem likely that they’ll end up in the same place to me.

Definitely not trying to play down your evaluation or anything, though I probably wouldn’t move the arm in the deal for just Soto+lotto ticket, but more start a conversation on different values for these guys, since they’re two likely trade candidates guys will be looking to move in their franchises, and I kinda feel like the surplus ding applied to Donaldson is unwarranted given my math, if that makes sense.

Machado is worth more due to his flexibility. Youre either trading for a 3B or SS.

Machado trade you can keep him at SS and move Treat Turner to OF. Which makes the Nats offense better.

You trade for Donaldson you only get a 3B. Where do you move Anthony Rendon - 2B. Ok where do you move Daniel Murphy - 1B - Where do you move Ryan Zimmerman.

Machado brings ton more value to the Nats from a line up flexibility standpoint. Cost less money for a 1 year rental + QO.

I don't think Donaldson at 33 with get a QO compared to a 26 year old Machado. And if we're taking this real life year into account Donaldson has lost a ton of value. Even more than two weeks ago during the Donaldson - Andrus battle.

[MrSerendipity]

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Thanks for the reply. I understand the “in-state” rivalry at play affects the return, im simply trying to understand (or start a dialogue, if you prefer) on Donaldson/Machado. I’m obviously biased here, but I see JD as the superior player over the last 3 seasons (based on the metrics we use in this thread), while Manny seems to have this mythical status amongst baseball types that’s kind-of unearned, in my opinion. This is particularly poignant when you consider that he, like Donaldson, is an expiring contract with no guarantee of re-signing, particularly from a Nats standpoint. It’s great that they’re good buddies, but we’re talking what, $600 million in salary commitments if they were both inked? Doesn’t seem likely that they’ll end up in the same place to me.

Definitely not trying to play down your evaluation or anything, though I probably wouldn’t move the arm in the deal for just Soto+lotto ticket, but more start a conversation on different values for these guys, since they’re two likely trade candidates guys will be looking to move in their franchises, and I kinda feel like the surplus ding applied to Donaldson is unwarranted given my math, if that makes sense.

I tend to agree with Jamm. The motivation isn't the same for Donaldson who they have to re-shift their entire defense around. He is also older, his better years are behind him and they don't have the long-term options with him that they do with Machado. I just don't think the fit is there to get the value you want.

It is 2020 and the Mets are an empty shell right now. I think it is time to move the following guys but I want to get some opinions. Are these okay? I know New York is high on these guys and as I'm a Rangers fan, I'm naturally trying to overpay. Conforto is in ARB, deGrom is on an expiring contract and Cespedes still has three years on his contract.

NYM REC: Seth Romero | Chi Chi Gonzalez | Ariel Jurado | Leody Taveras | DeLino DeShields Jr. | Julio Pablo Martinez
TEX REC: Jacob deGrom | Michael Conforto

NYM REC: Kyle Tucker
HOU REC: Yoenis Cespedes

I'm making some adjustments to these. Trying to strike some better balance.

NYM REC: AJ Reed | Ronnie Dawson
HOU REC: Yoenis Cespedes

TEX REC: Jacom deGrom | Michael Conforto
NYM REC: Seth Romero | Yohander Mendez | Ariel Jurado
NYM REC: Leody Taveras | Eliezer Alvarez | DeLino DeShields Jr.

[BlueJays09]

Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

Now this is my opinion and absolutely not the rule or anything like that but,

Teams don't really like to send over one single prospect who covers almost the entirety of the surplus value unless the player they're getting in return is a star quality player. Generally when you have a mid-level good but not amazing player like Pillar is that's when you get a grouping of three or so prospects who are all good but are not elite like McKenzie is

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Okay, gotcha. Salazar isn't really a prospect now though. Do you think they would send him to Toronto for Pillar in that second deal? Salazar gives the Jays another starter and Cleveland gets their CF.

Otherwise, is Bobby Bradley (20), Nolan Jones (11), Will Benson (11) the kind of deal you're talking about?

After looking, I could send to SF for Heliot Ramos (24.1) + Tyler Beede (13) + Chris Shaw (11) for a total of 48

[Councilmann_Jamm]

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Trying to get value in a few players. I have my thoughts. Just want to see others.

Pittsburgh - Tyler Glasgow

Kansas City - Bubba Starling

[MrSerendipity]

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Trying to get value in a few players. I have my thoughts. Just want to see others.

Pittsburgh - Tyler Glasgow

Kansas City - Bubba Starling

This largely depends on how you feel about these guys, IMO. I'm going to break my own rules here. Lets assume Glasnow rights the ship and becomes at least serviceable with a .5 WAR over the next years. Obviously we don't have anything to show for that buts let just say he does because he was once really promising and his stock has imploded. But we'll say he puts in a .5 WAR over the remainder of his contract. That puts him around the 9.8M amount. Subtracting his expected contracts in that time, he is likely falling down around 2M in surplus value maybe? I think no matter how we look at it, he's worth a low-level lottery guy.

As for Bubba, his fall from grace has been a bit sad too. If I'm guessing, which is the best I can do, I'd probably put him in the 2M range as well.

[Councilmann_Jamm]

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This largely depends on how you feel about these guys, IMO. I'm going to break my own rules here. Lets assume Glasnow rights the ship and becomes at least serviceable with a .5 WAR over the next years. Obviously we don't have anything to show for that buts let just say he does because he was once really promising and his stock has imploded. But we'll say he puts in a .5 WAR over the remainder of his contract. That puts him around the 9.8M amount. Subtracting his expected contracts in that time, he is likely falling down around 2M in surplus value maybe? I think no matter how we look at it, he's worth a low-level lottery guy.

As for Bubba, his fall from grace has been a bit sad too. If I'm guessing, which is the best I can do, I'd probably put him in the 2M range as well.

Yeah. I had Glasgow around 4 million. Saw him at Orioles Spring Training last year and thought he was amazing. So his fall from grace in Pittsburgh makes me want to attempt to rejuvenate his career.

Same with Bubba. He's not doing anything in KC. Can throw him in my rebuild.

[Councilmann_Jamm]

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Jon Heyman just released article on under the radar trades and potential return

J.A. Happ - Top 100
Kevin Gausman and Dylan Bundy - Top 100
Josh Donaldson - Top 100 dependent on arm
Brian Dozier - Mid Level
Adrian Beltre- Low Level
Wil Myers - Salary Dump
Kevin Pillar - Top 100
Dan Straily - Mid Level
Tyson Ross - Mid Level
Scooter Bennett -High Mid Range
Hunter Renfroe - Low Level
Jurfickson Profar - Low Level