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  • Yankees247
    Rookie
    • May 2017
    • 186

    #1456
    Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

    Originally posted by GamecocksLaw17
    No I didn't mean it as a bad thing. Just how would you suggest getting it done without Gleybar. While the Yankees might live Florial, we have to use prospect lists because we aren't experts and MLB has Florial 41, Fangraphs has him 79 and I don't have a Baseball America membership so I can't tell but frankly he just isn't "good" enough to headline for Thor or deGrom. Sale got the #1 prospect as a headliner. Quintana got the #4 prospect as a headliner. You will have to do something similar to get those aces

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    I understand and it makes sense. I am just trying to figure out a way to move all of these prospects to create room with my roster and go with a make my team the best I can for this season to win the whole thing and if that means trading Sheff Florial Adams Abreu Medina Acevedo drury then I am okay with that but unable to trade a starting mlb player since i think everyone would agree that would not help the situation by plugging one hole to make another hole elsewhere

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    • Kahler77
      Rookie
      • May 2015
      • 145

      #1457
      Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

      In year two of my Jays chise Thames put up a 0 war season last year and is playing poorly through the first month of the season this year but is someone Id like to add to get more power in my lineup as I let Donaldson and Smoak walk in free agency after making a playoff run.

      I know he had one good season in 2017 but in my chise hes gonig on a year a and a month of playing poorly if he continues to play poorly in june or july at the deadline if I trade for him what would his value be Im a little unsure of how to calculate as he really only has the two seasons and a couple seasons back from Japan and then some from like forever ago. Thanks in advance

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      • GamecocksLaw17
        MVP
        • Jun 2015
        • 1503

        #1458
        Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

        Originally posted by Yankees247
        I understand and it makes sense. I am just trying to figure out a way to move all of these prospects to create room with my roster and go with a make my team the best I can for this season to win the whole thing and if that means trading Sheff Florial Adams Abreu Medina Acevedo drury then I am okay with that but unable to trade a starting mlb player since i think everyone would agree that would not help the situation by plugging one hole to make another hole elsewhere
        You could absolutely trade those guys. But I don't see the Mets accepting quantity over quality for 2 legitimate aces

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        • shawn0227
          Rookie
          • Mar 2012
          • 29

          #1459
          Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

          It is 2019 in my franchise which kind of changes things. Torres is now starting everyday with the Yankees, Buehler in his second year of starting with the Dodgers. I would say probably realistically they would be off the table but I am not super concerned about realism and more concerned with just matching up values.

          Would it be out of the question to jump start things for say the Tigers or White Sox and move one of them there? Both teams are above .500 and within striking distance of the division in mid-June as for whatever reason the AL Central always sucks in my franchises. 85 wins won the division in 2018. Looking that way again in 2019.

          Other teams and my Orioles who I am running with had a good draft and signed a couple strong free agent prospects but not sure of to work their values into this since they are computer generated.
          Last edited by shawn0227; 05-22-2018, 10:46 AM.

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          • Yankees247
            Rookie
            • May 2017
            • 186

            #1460
            Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

            Originally posted by GamecocksLaw17
            You could absolutely trade those guys. But I don't see the Mets accepting quantity over quality for 2 legitimate aces

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            Yeah they might not but I wanted to take a shot to see if the Mets might want to completely jump start their entire farm system with one trade since in one trade they could get 2 top 50 and 2 top 100 prospects since they do not have a single one in the top 100 but I do get getting a top 10-20 prospect as the headliner and not so many top 50 and top 100 guys.

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            • GamecocksLaw17
              MVP
              • Jun 2015
              • 1503

              #1461
              Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

              Originally posted by Yankees247
              Yeah they might not but I wanted to take a shot to see if the Mets might want to completely jump start their entire farm system with one trade since in one trade they could get 2 top 50 and 2 top 100 prospects and they do not have a since one in the top 100 but I do get getting a top 10-20 prospect as the headliner and not so many top 50 and top 100 guys.
              What would you want if you were to trade Luis Severino. Whatever you come up with is the ballpark of what you would need to send the Mets

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              • BigOscar
                MVP
                • May 2016
                • 2971

                #1462
                Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                Originally posted by Bard
                26 year old "prospect" that was the 13th overall pick five years ago.

                At one point he was a very highly regarded prospect, but now he definitely had lost a lot of shine...this doesn't appear to be a Judge type of situation at least.

                Giving him very generic ARB numbers and deterioration rating as well I come out to him having ~$20 million in surplus.

                Padres would still be asking for a bottom top 100 prospect, you say no way Jose, they settle for two lotto tickets or potentially a MLB ready arm.

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                Cheers, that's sort of what I figured as he really hasn't made an impact at all in the majors. Would something like Matt Andriesse (ML ready arm with 3 more years team control) plus outfielder Garrett Whitley (Rays number 8 prospect) cut it or would they prefer a younger, more raw arm instead of Anriesse?

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                • saintrules
                  MVP
                  • May 2016
                  • 1393

                  #1463
                  Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                  Machado to the Cubs as a rental, who we giving up?

                  My thought process would be Happ and SS prospect Aramis Ademan, is that too much? As a rental I would be shocked to see them asking for MORE than that. Adam Jones' days are numbered as a center at 32 years old, Happ has room to grow, and Ademan at least fills the void of the lost SS on top of being a good prospect himself.
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                  • Bard
                    YouTube: NHBard
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 7803

                    #1464
                    Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                    Originally posted by BigOscar
                    Cheers, that's sort of what I figured as he really hasn't made an impact at all in the majors. Would something like Matt Andriesse (ML ready arm with 3 more years team control) plus outfielder Garrett Whitley (Rays number 8 prospect) cut it or would they prefer a younger, more raw arm instead of Anriesse?
                    Andriese is roughly worth in the ballpark of $6.3 million. I would add in Ronaldo Hernandez the young catching prospect from the Rays in addition. He has about 10 million in value right now. That's $16.3 million roughly. I would sign off on that.

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                    • Bard
                      YouTube: NHBard
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 7803

                      #1465
                      Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                      Originally posted by saintrules
                      Machado to the Cubs as a rental, who we giving up?

                      My thought process would be Happ and SS prospect Aramis Ademan, is that too much? As a rental I would be shocked to see them asking for MORE than that. Adam Jones' days are numbered as a center at 32 years old, Happ has room to grow, and Ademan at least fills the void of the lost SS on top of being a good prospect himself.
                      Happ is double the value of rental Machado.

                      This is a tough deal with the Cubs having zero in the top 100.

                      Pick one of Russel/Happ/Schwarber + two lotto tickets for Machado and Brach.

                      We have some deals for Machado out there and he lands the top 36 and 78 prospects, but all of these three have over $100 million in surplus (maybe not Schwarber - didn't calculate him).

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                      • BlueJays09
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2011
                        • 2553

                        #1466
                        Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                        Originally posted by HighCmpPct
                        Yeah, but the whole formula would have to be adjusted to take into account the vastly different contracts in game from what they are in real life.

                        Also a few months worth of good play doesn't really override 3 years worth of data that the formula uses to calculate the value.

                        Pillar is worth more than "you're best hitter Smoak" because for one Smoak is a rental, and Pillar has 3 controllable fairly cheap ARB years remaining which vastly increases his Value over a player they'd be getting for essentially 2 months.

                        Morales is hurt by the fact he has another year remaining at around 12m I believe, not positive of what he makes next year.

                        His contract being lower in game doesn't change anything because the budgets are also smaller in game than real life so that averages out. Yeah if you found a team that really really needed say Smoak or Morales you could get a little more than what their surplus comes out to. But even then you're not getting anything near a top 100 guy.

                        Personally my advice would be to move Smoak for what you can, and hold on to Morales another year. If he finishes this year playing well for you then next season when he's on the final year of his deal and has a good WAR season under his belt his value will increase for you.

                        If you're looking to get a good prospect right now, move Pillar now and get the most of his high surplus.


                        Originally posted by kinsmen7
                        To add to that, the market for DH-only players is pretty much non-existent.


                        Originally posted by MrSerendipity
                        I'm not saying you can't trade him. I'm just saying you aren't going to get anything of significant value in return. For comparison sake, Shin Soo Choo has a surplus of -18M. He typically rakes in my Franchises regardless of whether I play or sim. An approved trade we did saw him being dealt to Cleveland to serve in their DH/4th OF slot. Regardless of a good season, all Texas received in that deal was Conner Capel because you're more or less doing a salary dump trade. We treat surplus the same but we understand that when a player is doing well, they can still be useful.


                        Thanks a lot guys. That really clears up a lot of confusion for me. I’ll likely deal Smoak and Pillar for what I can get and either hold Morales unless I can find a deal for a bad salary back along with a lotto ticket. I’ll run any deals by here first.

                        Any ideas on what I could get in return for Smoak to Colorado, Dodgers, Mets? Donaldson to Mets? Also, Pillar to Giants, Cubs, As?


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                        • BlueJays09
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 2553

                          #1467
                          Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                          Sorry, double post. Could this be deleted please
                          Last edited by BlueJays09; 05-22-2018, 11:24 AM.

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                          • BigOscar
                            MVP
                            • May 2016
                            • 2971

                            #1468
                            Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                            Originally posted by Bard
                            Andriese is roughly worth in the ballpark of $6.3 million. I would add in Ronaldo Hernandez the young catching prospect from the Rays in addition. He has about 10 million in value right now. That's $16.3 million roughly. I would sign off on that.

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                            Cool, cheers.

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                            • rncws1984
                              Rookie
                              • Aug 2017
                              • 39

                              #1469
                              Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                              Originally posted by MrSerendipity
                              CWS: Brendan Rodgers | Ryan Castellani
                              COL: Jose Abreu | Nate Jones

                              I don't think San Diego would be willing to move Urias. I also don't really think Oakland would deal Puk unless they're leading the division at the ASB and even then, I don't think it is an Oakland move.

                              Harper to Chicago doesn't feel very realistic in my opinion but I could see Machado giving it a look if you have assembled a good enough team to play around him. Typically trading away most of your veterans for young prospects doesn't line up well with a huge all-star signing.


                              Went exactly for what you said just signed machado drafting some guys gonna put this team together for 2020 anything I can offer the reds to give me Castillo ? I still have Tim Anderson ,Garcia,Castillo,fulmer ?


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                              • saintrules
                                MVP
                                • May 2016
                                • 1393

                                #1470
                                Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                                Originally posted by Bard
                                Happ is double the value of rental Machado.

                                This is a tough deal with the Cubs having zero in the top 100.

                                Pick one of Russel/Happ/Schwarber + two lotto tickets for Machado and Brach.

                                We have some deals for Machado out there and he lands the top 36 and 78 prospects, but all of these three have over $100 million in surplus (maybe not Schwarber - didn't calculate him).

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                                Thanks for the reply. What do you mean two lotto tickets? Like two prospects in the system?
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