MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

[HolyStroke3]

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I feel like 7 players for Machado and Jones is a bit overkill. Honestly Ian Happ should get you the majority of the way there himself. His 5 years of service time left should cover the majority of value you get out of 3 months of Machado and Jones

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Hows Happ, De La Cruz, Little, and Bote?

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Hows Happ, De La Cruz, Little, and Bote?

I'll have to do that math in the morning but that probably does it. Although I'm not sure where you have the space for another OF with Heyward, Almora, Schwarber, Zobrist and sometimes Bryant out there

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[HighCmpPct]

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Not sure what to thinking this CPU trade. CIN is out, But OAK is one of the tip AL teams so far 4 days from the break.

Reds send Raisel Iglesias

Athletics send C Sean Murphy and 1B Renato Nunez

I don't think it's enough, but how egregious is it?

[Councilmann_Jamm]

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To speak transparently, our numbers were pulled from a Professional Baseball writing team that did the research on their end and devised the numbers.

I will agree that the numbers feel stretched and tend to create a narrative in which higher-end players are nearly impossible to attain. With that said, we're living in an age in which prospects are a very hot commodity. I mean look at how many times somebody in this thread feels their team wouldn't move on from a prospect to bring in a star player. They're very much over-valued. That is part of the reason why we stuck with the numbers we've found. But I saw your numbers and I personally felt they were fair.

Oh I completely agree that higher end prospects should be hard to go after and get. That's the truth in real life.

My only concern is a 6th rank prospect in their system is worth more than a major league everyday players on FV.

Nolan Jones example. He's worth 19 million in FV. No way he should he be worth more than a player like Schoop/Abreu at 15 million.

[Councilmann_Jamm]

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I completely understand your thought process on this. My only concern is choosing who is and isn't worth that "extra year" of value because there are certainly going to be players like Schoop who fit that mold but there are also going to be players that don't.

I was thinking anyone under 27 that's a free agent in 2020.

So guys with 2 years on contract with opportunity for a QO

Still just a WIP, but just something I've been thinking of

[Councilmann_Jamm]

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Not sure what to thinking this CPU trade. CIN is out, But OAK is one of the tip AL teams so far 4 days from the break.

Reds send Raisel Iglesias

Athletics send C Sean Murphy and 1B Renato Nunez

I don't think it's enough, but how egregious is it?

Nunez got DFA in real life twice this month.

[HighCmpPct]

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Nunez got DFA in real life twice this month.

AH well that answers that one fairly easily then lol.

[MrSerendipity]

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I was thinking anyone under 27 that's a free agent in 2020.

So guys with 2 years on contract with opportunity for a QO

Still just a WIP, but just something I've been thinking of

I think it is something worth working on. There are a couple of guys in the same boat as Schoop that are worth a considerable bump over surplus. Then you have really strange instances like Schwarber in which he is valued far above his surplus.

Oh I completely agree that higher end prospects should be hard to go after and get. That's the truth in real life.

My only concern is a 6th rank prospect in their system is worth more than a major league everyday players on FV.

Nolan Jones example. He's worth 19 million in FV. No way he should he be worth more than a player like Schoop/Abreu at 15 million.

Yeah, I'm with you on that. One way of fixing that would probably be bumping the WAR value in our equation to 10M rather than 9M. But it's tough to navigate. Keeping it high also navigates people from requesting trades on guys like Ohtani and Acuna, which in reality, aren't going anywhere. There are pros and cons on both sides but I think your viewpoint here is pretty accurate.

[BlueJays09]

MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

Can I ask how you got that for Morales? He's a pretty terrible contract and not a great hitter for a DH

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In the game his contract is 3.2M/2 so only 6.4 M to pay out for a 1B/DH worth 1.3 WAR. Not sure why the contract is different, but it’s not 11 like in real life. Plus he’s hitting over .300 with 17 HR. Surely, that should give him some value. Smoak as well is hitting close to .320 with 20 HR so they might have more value than real life at this point in my franchise.


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[MrSerendipity]

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In the game his contract is 3.2M/2 so only 6.4 M to pay out for a 1B/DH worth 1.3 WAR. Not sure why the contract is different, but it’s not 11 like in real life. Plus he’s hitting over .300 with 17 HR. Surely, that should give him some value. Smoak as well is hitting close to .320 with 20 HR so they might have more value than real life at this point in my franchise.


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We go off of real contracts. His actual surplus value is -14M.

[BlueJays09]

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We go off of real contracts. His actual surplus value is -14M.

Yes, I understand that. But your saying my second best hitter on the season with those stats, I wouldn’t be able to give away to a contender who desperately needs a 1B/DH? Surely some leeway is needed when the franchise is differing from real life.

Same goes for Pillar. Worth 50M but not hitting for average, not getting on base, not running well or not hitting for power. But he’s worth 3 times more than my best player in Smoak.


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[BigOscar]

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How valuable is Hunter Renfroe? He's one of those guys who stand out in the show, but I literally never hear anything about in real life, so I've no idea how attached to him he Padres are or if they'd be willing to deal him?

Looking for a lefty killing outfield/1B with a bit of team control for the Rays as everyone they have except Ramos is better against righties and the Red Sox keep murdering me with their 4 lefty rotation!

[HighCmpPct]

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Yes, I understand that. But your saying my second best hitter on the season with those stats, I wouldn’t be able to give away to a contender who desperately needs a 1B/DH? Surely some leeway is needed when the franchise is differing from real life.

Same goes for Pillar. Worth 50M but not hitting for average, not getting on base, not running well or not hitting for power. But he’s worth 3 times more than my best player in Smoak.


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Yeah, but the whole formula would have to be adjusted to take into account the vastly different contracts in game from what they are in real life.

Also a few months worth of good play doesn't really override 3 years worth of data that the formula uses to calculate the value.

Pillar is worth more than "you're best hitter Smoak" because for one Smoak is a rental, and Pillar has 3 controllable fairly cheap ARB years remaining which vastly increases his Value over a player they'd be getting for essentially 2 months.

Morales is hurt by the fact he has another year remaining at around 12m I believe, not positive of what he makes next year.

His contract being lower in game doesn't change anything because the budgets are also smaller in game than real life so that averages out. Yeah if you found a team that really really needed say Smoak or Morales you could get a little more than what their surplus comes out to. But even then you're not getting anything near a top 100 guy.

Personally my advice would be to move Smoak for what you can, and hold on to Morales another year. If he finishes this year playing well for you then next season when he's on the final year of his deal and has a good WAR season under his belt his value will increase for you.

If you're looking to get a good prospect right now, move Pillar now and get the most of his high surplus.

[MrSerendipity]

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Yes, I understand that. But your saying my second best hitter on the season with those stats, I wouldn’t be able to give away to a contender who desperately needs a 1B/DH? Surely some leeway is needed when the franchise is differing from real life.

Same goes for Pillar. Worth 50M but not hitting for average, not getting on base, not running well or not hitting for power. But he’s worth 3 times more than my best player in Smoak.


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I'm not saying you can't trade him. I'm just saying you aren't going to get anything of significant value in return. For comparison sake, Shin Soo Choo has a surplus of -18M. He typically rakes in my Franchises regardless of whether I play or sim. An approved trade we did saw him being dealt to Cleveland to serve in their DH/4th OF slot. Regardless of a good season, all Texas received in that deal was Conner Capel because you're more or less doing a salary dump trade. We treat surplus the same but we understand that when a player is doing well, they can still be useful.

[kinsmen7]

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I'm not saying you can't trade him. I'm just saying you aren't going to get anything of significant value in return. For comparison sake, Shin Soo Choo has a surplus of -18M. He typically rakes in my Franchises regardless of whether I play or sim. An approved trade we did saw him being dealt to Cleveland to serve in their DH/4th OF slot. Regardless of a good season, all Texas received in that deal was Conner Capel because you're more or less doing a salary dump trade. We treat surplus the same but we understand that when a player is doing well, they can still be useful.

To add to that, the market for DH-only players is pretty much non-existent.