MLB The Show 22: Year to Year Saves Remain Out, Stadiums Will Not Transfer

[Rocket32]

Re: MLB The Show 22: Year to Year Saves Remain Out, Stadiums Will Not Transfer

The only thing that will make them reconsider is money. The only way to do that is for a very large movement to not purchase the game.
The problem with that is getting everyone to stand by their guns and refuse to purchase the game.

The fix Madden franchise movement did absolutely nothing as it was just worthless complaints and meaningless threats. Money is what talks.

Fix Madden Franchise didn’t permanently alter the direction of the game, but it absolutely did get EA’s attention and lead to some improvements/changes in Madden’s franchise mode. The movement has unfortunately just practically fizzled out at this point. The community hasn’t kept the pressure on, people have moved on. EA can consider the bit of stuff they did in response, satisfactory to enough people, and go back to the way they usually did things.

[IndianSummer]

Re: MLB The Show 22: Year to Year Saves Remain Out, Stadiums Will Not Transfer

Fix Madden Franchise didn’t permanently alter the direction of the game, but it absolutely did get EA’s attention and lead to some improvements/changes in Madden’s franchise mode. The movement has unfortunately just practically fizzled out at this point. The community hasn’t kept the pressure on, people have moved on. EA can consider the bit of stuff they did in response, satisfactory to enough people, and go back to the way they usually did things.

That’s my point, unless I’m misreading what you’re saying. You said EA did a bit of stuff to the game and went back to their normal way of doing stuff. I don’t disagree with your statement.

MLB21 sold over 4 million copies last year, if just 10% of the people that purchased the Show would have held off just 6 months, 10% of 4mil would have been $28,000,000.
I would think when SDS or even EA for that point would be questioning a loss of $28m revenue in their quarterly meetings.

I can imagine a conversation in their meeting would go something like:
Why is our revenue down $28m?
We removed Y2Y saves
Why? Was it broke?
insert Silence here.

[JTommy67]

Re: MLB The Show 22: Year to Year Saves Remain Out, Stadiums Will Not Transfer

The only thing that will make them reconsider is money. The only way to do that is for a very large movement to not purchase the game.
The problem with that is getting everyone to stand by their guns and refuse to purchase the game.

This wouldn't make the difference you might think. Franchise concerns are the lowest priority b/c it attracts lower levels of interest. Look at their forums and you see 2K posts about franchise compared to 350K for Diamond Dynasty. They've done the math, losing some customers over franchise mode is worth whatever they think they're gaining by focusing resources elsewhere.

As unfortunate as it is, we're a small minority, talking in an echo chamber.

[Armor and Sword]

Re: MLB The Show 22: Year to Year Saves Remain Out, Stadiums Will Not Transfer

This will be my only post on the subject.


I have been a long time fan of The Show series. Hell I still am as I continue to throughly enjoy MLB 20 The Show (on the PS5 where it looks gorgeous and plays in full 60 FPS).

Once I got over the initial blow of losing Y2Y, Roster Importing and SOTS on the PS5 for MLB 21 I played the game itself. And that is where my biggest letdown has come from.

It is a very unpopular opinion......but it is my personal thought on the game itself.

I simply did not like the way MLB 21 plays. I actually popped it in (a steelcase JR limited edition was given to me by a good friend so I did not pay for it as I refused to pay full retail more on that later) and played it for the first time since May of 2021 when after giving it a very through test drive came to my own conclusions of what I simply did not like about the game itself.

If MLB 22 comes out......and I get incredible feedback about the gameplay and meaningful improvements to franchise mode that actually really warrant me to take a look....by all means. I love baseball. I love playing The Show. It is the only game I play year round.

I felt 21 was not nearly worth the price of leaving behind what is now my Year 6 franchise as well as a few other long time running franchises I have on 20 that have been carried forward since MLB 17.

I am not getting into the why with MLB 21 because it is not a debate....it is simply the way I feel about the game itself. I did not like where it went under the hood and several other design decisions.

Also if losing Y2Y results in meaningful franchise improvements (125 man rosters for example which is sorely needed IMO for those who love the long term team building aspect) then I have zero problems with progress.

I am really really hoping MLB 22 will be a big leap for gameplay and franchise. I feel like MLB 21 took several steps backwards. And that is how I feel. Some disagree.....that’s ok. But that was my reasons for skipping 21. Bottom line.

Play what you love.

Oh and as far as Steelcase......I collect video games too. If I pass on 22 (which is TBD but my gut tells me it will be a hard pass) I will wait for it to be $20 and pick up the steel case. Yeah I am sick. LOL.

[Bullit]

Re: MLB The Show 22: Year to Year Saves Remain Out, Stadiums Will Not Transfer

That’s my point, unless I’m misreading what you’re saying. You said EA did a bit of stuff to the game and went back to their normal way of doing stuff. I don’t disagree with your statement.

MLB21 sold over 4 million copies last year, if just 10% of the people that purchased the Show would have held off just 6 months, 10% of 4mil would have been $28,000,000.
I would think when SDS or even EA for that point would be questioning a loss of $28m revenue in their quarterly meetings.

I can imagine a conversation in their meeting would go something like:
Why is our revenue down $28m?
We removed Y2Y saves
Why? Was it broke?
insert Silence here.

I dont really disagree with your point but I think the money they make in Micro Transactions and the DD crowd offsets the loss. If this was not the case they would not be continuing to chase that crowd almost exclusively.

If we use your 4 million sales figure. What if each of those folks spent $7 on stubs. Now we know there are YouTubers and such that spend way more than that. Well that offsets $28 million of loss of people moving on right there.

They can replace users no longer buying the game with this content so unless a massive drop in sales happens anything else will be negligible.

Just my opinion, which is worthless but there it is.

[Madden08PCgmr]

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If we use your 4 million sales figure. What if each of those folks spent $7 on stubs. Now we know there are YouTubers and such that spend way more than that. Well that offsets $28 million of loss of people moving on right there.

I'll raise you, considerably...

I spent $200 for Junior and Edgar, beacuse I was late to the party and wasn't going to grind to get them.

Hope they enjoyed my contribution. Looks like it was a one night only show.

[IndianSummer]

Re: MLB The Show 22: Year to Year Saves Remain Out, Stadiums Will Not Transfer

I'll raise you, considerably...

I spent $200 for Junior and Edgar, beacuse I was late to the party and wasn't going to grind to get them.

Hope they enjoyed my contribution. Looks like it was a one night only show.

Holy crap……I had no clue.

[countryboy]

Re: MLB The Show 22: Year to Year Saves Remain Out, Stadiums Will Not Transfer

For those wondering why Y2Y saves were removed:

It was a difficult feature to maintain. We spent a lot of cycles to implement it with every release. When the design team was laying out their long term plans, engineering pointed some of the hurdles they would need to overcome and additional time it would take to accomplish those plans AND maintain year-to-year saves. Unfortunately, the additional resource/time costs coupled with telemetry (maybe a little dubious) indicating many users did not use the feature put the feature on the chopping block.

[jcar0725]

Re: MLB The Show 22: Year to Year Saves Remain Out, Stadiums Will Not Transfer

For those wondering why Y2Y saves were removed:

I've been assuming this from the beginning. It just wasn't feasible for them, on the business side. As much as I don't like it, I totally get it. In the end, it's still a business, and not enough people used the feature to justify the cost of keeping it in.

[Holy Toledo]

Re: MLB The Show 22: Year to Year Saves Remain Out, Stadiums Will Not Transfer

For those wondering why Y2Y saves were removed:

Well I guess any hope for y2y to comeback is gone. Where did you see this CB?

[bryanm1982]

Re: MLB The Show 22: Year to Year Saves Remain Out, Stadiums Will Not Transfer

I get it. And I appreciate them finally announcing something about it and explaining it. It would have been nice if they would have announced this last year. It would have made some people less mad. Most people just wanted to know why.

[countryboy]

Re: MLB The Show 22: Year to Year Saves Remain Out, Stadiums Will Not Transfer

Well I guess any hope for y2y to comeback is gone. Where did you see this CB?

There's hope that Y2Y saves will return as they understand there is a section of the fanbase that enjoyed and used the feature. But to get franchise to where they, and the fanbase, want it to be, Y2Y saves had to be placed on the back burner.


It was a private message discussion I had.

[countryboy]

Re: MLB The Show 22: Year to Year Saves Remain Out, Stadiums Will Not Transfer

Y2Y saves wasn't the only factor, just one of them. When I asked if Y2Y saves hampered the ability to add features to franchise because of having to ensure that new features were compatible with previous saves, the answer received was:

It certainly factored into the equation, but the biggest bottle neck is usually limited engineering resources. We are working with a very large, complicated set of code/tools. So, it takes a while, even for an experienced programmer, to come up to speed on our title. When you add in frequent design paradigm shifts and a very limited development cycle (< 9 months), it is difficult to gain traction. Good news is that the engineering staff for Franchise grew by ~300% this year.

This is why I believe at some point that Y2Y saves will return. They are increasing the number of people working on franchise mode, so hopefully they can get to the point, sooner rather than later, where they can add new features all while ensuring that it is compatible with previous saves.

[jcar0725]

Re: MLB The Show 22: Year to Year Saves Remain Out, Stadiums Will Not Transfer

Y2Y saves wasn't the only factor, just one of them. When I asked if Y2Y saves hampered the ability to add features to franchise because of having to ensure that new features were compatible with previous saves, the answer received was:



This is why I believe at some point that Y2Y saves will return. They are increasing the number of people working on franchise mode, so hopefully they can get to the point, sooner rather than later, where they can add new features all while ensuring that it is compatible with previous saves.

This is great info either way. Good stuff.

[Karle]

Re: MLB The Show 22: Year to Year Saves Remain Out, Stadiums Will Not Transfer

Countryboy,

Thank you for the explanation regarding y2y saves. It helps a lot to know why a decision like this was made.

In your communications did you learn whether Rosters can be transfered over between 21 and 22? I would think this would have less issues than Y2y saves absent any significant changes to the roster size or player CAP structure.

Thanks.

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